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I feel if they stick with the trio of Amir, Hasan and Shaheen, they should be encouraged to bowl mostly full on to stumps, and our batsmen are given the license to score at a run rate no less than 6 per over, only then I believe we will make it to the next round. Let's see what they are up to against South Africa. Haris Sohail must be selected for the remaining matches!
 
All this armchair calculations may go out of the window after today's match between Pakistan and South Africa.
 
^ We played unbeaten NZ last in 92 but in 19, we are playing unbeaten NZ third last, most likely the coincidences stop here.
 
Rather than 1992, this looks more like CT 2017. Pakistan in England loses big against India in a group match, then wakes up and starts winning games all the way to the trophy. Seems like losing to India serves as a wake up call.

Pakistan could be on a roll, good luck to Pakistani supporters.
 
Napa said:
Rather than 1992, this looks more like CT 2017. Pakistan in England loses big against India in a group match, then wakes up and starts winning games all the way to the trophy. Seems like losing to India serves as a wake up call.

Pakistan could be on a roll, good luck to Pakistani supporters.
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I think Pakistan has done well and the SL washout will come to haunt us. That was a win there for the taking.

The West Indies loss was a big aberration and the only unexpected result. Otherwise we’re progressing ok. The margin of defeat to India hurts but India are a superior side so a loss is fair result. Australia are also better and tbh Pakistan were arguably equal and would have won if not for several crucial dropped catches.

The performances as a whole (if you take out fielding) have been okay. But it’s too late even if we get on a winning run and as I said the SL washout is the kicker. We’ve always had their number in ICC tournaments
 
We need:

Afghanistan to beat Bangladesh
Australia to beat England.
West Indies to beat India

And, we need to beat NewZealand
 
This is getting interesting, lol. I think the game against NZ will decide whether we are going the 92 route or not. Cant wait for the game day.
 
If Bang loses today, and aus tomorrow, then NZ game is must win for us.
If we lose that game, then if India beats WI (which is more than likely), Bang, WI, and pak are out of the tournament

Then only SL is left with any chance of qualifying.
 
Slog said:
I think Pakistan has done well and the SL washout will come to haunt us. That was a win there for the taking.

The West Indies loss was a big aberration and the only unexpected result. Otherwise we’re progressing ok. The margin of defeat to India hurts but India are a superior side so a loss is fair result. Australia are also better and tbh Pakistan were arguably equal and would have won if not for several crucial dropped catches.

The performances as a whole (if you take out fielding) have been okay. But it’s too late even if we get on a winning run and as I said the SL washout is the kicker. We’ve always had their number in ICC tournaments
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Ironically, Pakistan's entry into the SF may be determined by how well India plays against England. The one time all Pakistanis will rooting for India :)
 
Chokli said:
1992 -

Loss Vs West Indies
Win Vs Zimbabwe
Wash out Vs England
Loss Vs India
Loss Vs South Africa
Win Vs Australia
Win Vs Sri Lanka
Win Vs New Zealand

Win Vs New Zealand - Semi Final
Win Vs England - Final

2019 -

Loss Vs West Indies
Win Vs England
Wash Out Vs Sri Lanka
Loss Vs Australia
Loss Vs India
Win Vs South Africa
Win Vs New Zealand
Win Vs Afghanistan
Win Vs Bangladesh
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Going to plan so far
 
Napa said:
Ironically, Pakistan's entry into the SF may be determined by how well India plays against England. The one time all Pakistanis will rooting for India :)
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We need India to crush and destroy England.

The English are the reason Pak/Ind are no longer together.

Do it for United India brother.
 
Napa said:
Ironically, Pakistan's entry into the SF may be determined by how well India plays against England. The one time all Pakistanis will rooting for India :)
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We can still enter semis if India loses to England but England goes onto lose to Australia and NZ. Do not overhype your importance.
 
K4Kohli said:
so you will not be rooting for India in England's match ?
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I probably won't even watch since I only really tune in for Pak matches. Yes, India winning does put more pressure on England and makes their last two games must win for them. However, I will only follow the score as a neutral as I despise both sides.
 
Chokli said:
We need India to crush and destroy England.

The English are the reason Pak/Ind are no longer together.

Do it for United India brother.
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Will do :)

If England loses to Australia (fair chance of that happening) then it will be under a lot of pressure when it plays India.
 
Napa said:
Will do :)

If England loses to Australia (fair chance of that happening) then it will be under a lot of pressure when it plays India.
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And I don't think India would want to lose to a team that lost to Sri Lanka and Pakistan!

And they want to keep the winning momentum.
 
Napa said:
Ironically, Pakistan's entry into the SF may be determined by how well India plays against England. The one time all Pakistanis will rooting for India :)
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Majority Pakistanis will be like rukhi sukhi kha lein ge per izat ki khayn ge. :P
Although a few here have become big fans of kohli & Sharma ji ka ladka.
 
Pakistan’s fate relies on Australia and India, isn’t it funny?

The two most disliked teams by a normal Pakistani fan should bail out Pakistan out of their misery...
 
Mueez said:
Pakistan’s fate relies on Australia and India, isn’t it funny?

The two most disliked teams by a normal Pakistani fan should bail out Pakistan out of their misery...
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Lol why are Australia disliked by a normal Pakistani fan?

They are my 2nd team.
 
I hope after this tournament we never talk about the spirit of 92 or similarities between 92 before an upcoming ICC event. You don’t see any other nation go on about previous success like Pakistan fans and media do. The mentality of Pakistan cricket needs changing as much as the domestic system and grassroots level does.
 
GLORY OF '92 said:
How can they be your second team after all the suffering they have inflicted upon us?
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I like a lot of their players. I like the way they play cricket and their mentality as well.

You talk about what they have done to us. Their job is to beat us when they play us. It's not Australia fault that we can't compete against them. There is no rivalry between Pakistan and Australia anyway. You should be looking more at some of our players than hating another player for doing his job . As I said there is no rivalry between the 2 teams. Also we haven't many issues with Australian players like the Indian players have had. So there is no real reason for me to hate them.
 
Hasan123 said:
I hope after this tournament we never talk about the spirit of 92 or similarities between 92 before an upcoming ICC event. You don’t see any other nation go on about previous success like Pakistan fans and media do. The mentality of Pakistan cricket needs changing as much as the domestic system and grassroots level does.
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Have you seen the Indian fans on Social Media? India media do the same with Indian team too. I remember how they were talking about how India would win the WC2011 because Dhoni has been involved in a tied match in every tournament etc. Indians come out with some Ph.D in Astrology too! It's massive!

Anyway this comparison with yesteryear is fun, though, if Pakistan do win the WC, you are right, the spirit of 1992 will live for another 30 years, and comparisons with 1992 and 2019 will become the norm!
 
Mueez said:
Pakistan’s fate relies on Australia and India, isn’t it funny?

The two most disliked teams by a normal Pakistani fan should bail out Pakistan out of their misery...
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Actually Pakistan fans are relying on the fate of England.
 
Technics 1210 said:
Have you seen the Indian fans on Social Media? India media do the same with Indian team too. I remember how they were talking about how India would win the WC2011 because Dhoni has been involved in a tied match in every tournament etc. Indians come out with some Ph.D in Astrology too! It's massive!

Anyway this comparison with yesteryear is fun, though, if Pakistan do win the WC, you are right, the spirit of 1992 will live for another 30 years, and comparisons with 1992 and 2019 will become the norm!
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I have not seen that but our fans are much worse at it than Indian fans. I have seen threads on Twitter about how Amear Sohail was the man of the match in 92 in a game we won by 49 runs like Haris was yesterday and they made the score. The same thread on Twitter should all other similarities between 92.

Also I don't think it's the bad to compare a tournament from 8 years ago when that player is still playing. India don't talk about the spirit of 2011 in every single ICC tournament. Even in other ICC events not named the WC all we hear is about 92 stuff. We need to move on from 92. Teams have success but it's about adapting and having desire to have further success .
 
Hasan123 said:
I have not seen that but our fans are much worse at it than Indian fans. I have seen threads on Twitter about how Amear Sohail was the man of the match in 92 in a game we won by 49 runs like Haris was yesterday and they made the score. The same thread on Twitter should all other similarities between 92.
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Well anyone who remembers that game will know that Pakistan won by 48 runs, and not 49, in 1992.

It's all in jest anyway.


Hasan123 said:
Also I don't think it's the bad to compare a tournament from 8 years ago when that player is still playing. India don't talk about the spirit of 2011 in every single ICC tournament. Even in other ICC events not named the WC all we hear is about 92 stuff. We need to move on from 92. Teams have success but it's about adapting and having desire to have further success .
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I personally do not see an issue with repeating the spirit of 1992 with the Cornered Tiger speech. It's a reminder of when the chips are down, never give up. What is wrong in reminding ourselves of this fighting spirit? Motivation plays a role in sports, and there is no better way than to cite historical success.
 
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Technics 1210 said:
Well anyone who remembers that game will know that Pakistan won by 48 runs, and not 49, in 1992.

It's all in jest anyway.




I personally do not see an issue with repeating the spirit of 1992 with the Cornered Tiger speech. It's a reminder of when the chips are down, never give up. What is wrong in reminding ourselves of this fighting spirit? Motivation is plays a role in sports, and there is no better way than to cite history.
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Because I would rather be talked about for current strengths not for something that happened 27 years ago. What happened in 92 doesn't have an impact on our current teams. Also all these speeches by Imran haven't worked. So why not try a different approach and move on ?
 
Hasan123 said:
Because I would rather be talked about for current strengths not for something that happened 27 years ago. What happened in 92 doesn't have an impact on our current teams. Also all these speeches by Imran haven't worked. So why not try a different approach and move on ?
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Current strength has nothing to do with motivational speeches.

You don't think the Cornered Tiger speech worked in 2009 and 2017? Remember the speech is not just relevant to ICC tournaments, can be relevant to Bilateral series too.
 
One more fun fact:

We relied on Australia to win against West Indies in 1992 aswell. :P
 
Actually more apt comparison with WC92 would be that in 1992 the host team (which was the favorite) was eliminated from WC by losing four games, before its final game, and in this World Cup Eng is on the cusp of going out if they lose one more time to make it four losses.

If Pak beat Nzl tomorrow, I'll be the biggest Indian cricket fan in the Ind-Eng match.
 
Napa said:
Will do :)

<b>If England loses to Australia (fair chance of that happening)</b> then it will be under a lot of pressure when it plays India.
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As I have mentioned countless times, you never count Australia out. They fight to the very end and are the hardest team to beat in the WC.
 
Even if Pak defies all odds and wins the WC, I would find these similarities cringeworthy.
 
Another similarity - Pakistan’s out of form batsman in 1992 was S. Malik of Sialkot, and the same in 2019.
 
There's one big difference though.

India most probably will qualify. In 1992, we were kicked out.

And if Pakistan does qualify, its India only who can stop them. No other team will have the power, ability to stop this supercharged Pakistan team.
 
Such a big game and it is in the middle of the week. Can't believe that MAJORITY of our games have been during working days
 
aqeelPK said:
What's your take on IndEng match?
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Lot depends upon who bats first and whether Roy and Bhuvi are back. If England bats first, they could bat India out of the game. India has played well up to this point, but they haven't chased a big score against a good team yet.

If Bhuvi is marginal, India may decide not to play him. English batsmen could then feast on Pandya and Shankar. England's bowling today was actually quite good.
 
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If all similarities are true will Sarfaraz become prime minister in 27 years? The superstitious following if coincidences is what we can spurious correlations.
 
By the by if you want to know individuals use such spurious correlations to make overzealous predictions (beyond what the data allows you to) is because of an illusion of control. That is random occurrences are assumed to be causal and hence once I know the causality of preci toons I use that to make a prediction of something I have no control on.
 
narayanjan said:
If all similarities are true will Sarfaraz become prime minister in 27 years? The superstitious following if coincidences is what we can spurious correlations.
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If Sarfraz ends up being PM, then God give us mercy!
 
Examples of use of spurious correlations to make predictions [which have been repeatedly proven to be wrong - I can point you to a few articles in Sceince, which is the leading publication in this regard] is the "hot hand" in basketball. When a player scores four baskets continuously you assume that the probability of scoring the fifth one is greater than the overall average with which the person scores.

Another example is if I spin a coin and ask for predictions on heads vs tails and if you predict three times correctlly [as happens when a team wins the toss repeatedly, as Dhoni did] then you assume that he has some special powers to guess correctly. What a joke! The probability of guessing correctly is still 0.5.

Similar is this reading of a random string of occurrences to make a prediction.
 
I have always found sports fans to be somewhat stupid because of their superstitions. Examples are sitting in the same spot since if you move from it a wicket will fall. However when websites such as Cricinfo use statistics to confirm superstitions I find it even more appalling.
 
narayanjan said:
I have always found sports fans to be somewhat stupid because of their superstitions. Examples are sitting in the same spot since if you move from it a wicket will fall. However when websites such as Cricinfo use statistics to confirm superstitions I find it even more appalling.
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Most people don't take these "superstitions" seriously, instead they think of it as entertainment, something funny. It also needs a lot of make believe to care about whether an adult male can expertly swing his arm and fling a ball at another adult male wielding a piece of wood.
 
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This is getting unreal:

Pakistan in WC 1992

Match 1 - Lost
Match 2 - Won
Match 3 - No Result
Match 4 - Lost
Match 5 - Lost
Match 6 - Won

Pakistan in WC 2019

Match 1 - Lost
Match 2 - Won
Match 3 - No Result
Match 4 - Lost
Match 5 - Lost
Match 6 - Won

Pakistan's 6th Match of 1992 WC: Beat Aus by 48 Runs & Player of the Match was Aamir Sohail

Pakistan's 6th Match of 2019 WC: Beat SA by 49 Runs & Player of the Match is Haris Sohail.
 
What about this coincidence ?
India wins WC in 1983, Australia wins WC in 1987, Pakistan wins WC in 1992.

This time
India wins WC in 2011, Australia wins WC in 2015, So, it is time for Pakistan again.

Hopefully this coincidence (mother of all coincidences) will not happen.
The world cannot have another Pakistani captain as Pakistan PM in 2047.:yk
 
It is ON baby !! Imam ul haq 60 in 34 balls against NZ :) Sarfraz will go on to become the greatest PM Pak ever had
 
Don't just think in terms of short term glory and gains. Imagine Sarfaraz being your PM 27 years later. Spare some thoughts for your next generation.
 
In the 7th match of 1992, the opposition also won the toss and opted to bat.

Our left-arm fast-bowler also got the first wicket that time :genius
 
I am agreeing to everything in this thread. You were the 1st one to note it and now even Cricinfo has an article on it
 
All that is fine, but can the most important similarity happen.

1992 India didn't make it past group stages
2019 :smith
 
Some more fun facts:
Nz's highest scorer in 1992 scored 42 runs and was dismissed by a leg spinner.

2019: Williamson dismissed on 41 by shadab who is a leg spinner

5th wicket fell in 80's in both 1992 and 2019
 
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This thread deserves to be cemented in the annals of PP history!

Win or lose, one of the most entertaining and inspiring threads of ALL time!
 
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-partner="tweetdeck"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Pakistan at the 1992 World Cup and the 2019 World Cup <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/CWC19?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#CWC19</a> <a href="https://t.co/zluwP7PP4O">pic.twitter.com/zluwP7PP4O</a></p>— Saj Sadiq (@Saj_PakPassion) <a href="https://twitter.com/Saj_PakPassion/status/1143854298004107265?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">June 26, 2019</a></blockquote>
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