Sing Vande Mataram or quit India: BJP workers taunt Muslim corporators

[cricketjoshila]

Everyone in India does. Christians sing, Sikhs sing, Jains sing, Buddhist sing..

Why do Muslims want to have their way in everything? There should be uniformity in everything. One people, one Nation, one Law should be the motto. If everyone start having exceptions, then it will never end.

Just like Been ban is silly, so is this not singing Vandemataram, not having uniform civil code are.

Muslim clergy will be the first one to oppose uniform civil code.They want special treatment,which cannot happen.

Just like there should not be any beef ban, there should not be a separate law for a religion.

 

[Pakpak]

Muslim clergy will be the first one to oppose uniform civil code.They want special treatment,which cannot happen.

Just like there should not be any beef ban, there should not be a separate law for a religion.

Yet there is a beef ban, so its already obvious some religions are getting more preferential treatment than others.

 

[cricketjoshila]

Yet there is a beef ban, so its already obvious some religions are getting more preferential treatment than others.

Because there is separate personal laws for Muslims which was put into constitution in 1950. Cow Slaughter ban first came in 1958.Iff anything muslims get preferential treatment in law.

 

[Pakpak]

Because there is separate personal laws for Muslims which was put into constitution in 1950. Cow Slaughter ban first came in 1958.Iff anything muslims get preferential treatment in law.

For the first time in my living memory this false notion of Indian secularism is falling flat in the West. The Guardian, BBC etc, which spend more time posting garbage on China, are now spending day after day posting the rise of Indian Hindu nationalism.

I applauded Indians on appointing a Muslim as President and then a Sikh as PM. All that, however, is down the drain now.

 

[cricketjoshila]

For the first time in my living memory this false notion of Indian secularism is falling flat in the West. The Guardian, BBC etc, which spend more time posting garbage on China, are now spending day after day posting the rise of Indian Hindu nationalism.

I applauded Indians on appointing a Muslim as President and then a Sikh as PM. All that, however, is down the drain now.

India is not a western colony.Its military might and economy surpasses many western countries.We are not goverened by what Guardian or BBC thinks about us.They also say a lot of things about Russia,China Trump etc.No one is bothered.They can write whatever they want, we also write a lot about the colonists and their mentality.

 

[Pakpak]

India is not a western colony.Its military might and economy surpasses many western countries.We are not goverened by what Guardian or BBC thinks about us.They also say a lot of things about Russia,China Trump etc.No one is bothered.They can write whatever they want, we also write a lot about the colonists and their mentality.

All true but negative perceptions don't really help and despite what you think India is nowhere near the level of power of China or Russia who both project their power on the international scale. And despite all this ''might'' the biggest immigration to UK is still from India.

 

[cricketjoshila]

All true but negative perceptions don't really help and despite what you think India is nowhere near the level of power of China or Russia who both project their power on the international scale. And despite all this ''might'' the biggest immigration to UK is still from India.

Negative perception of who? Media?Did that perception stop Brexit? Did it stop Trump? The Guardian or BBC or whatever may think that they must instruct a former colony about what is right and what is wrong,well they can keep writing about it,makes no difference.

 

[Pakpak]

Negative perception of who? Media?Did that perception stop Brexit? Did it stop Trump? The Guardian or BBC or whatever may think that they must instruct a former colony about what is right and what is wrong,well they can keep writing about it,makes no difference.

Sadly I agree with you, my point was that things in India are going down the drain that even pro-Indian media in the West can't ignore it.

 

[cricketjoshila]

Sadly I agree with you, my point was that things in India are going down the drain that even pro-Indian media in the West can't ignore it.

See its a cycle.Right wing-left wing-right wing.Media isnt pro anyone, its only pro its own "ideology".

 

[Smbhayi]

So it wasnt a problem when they bow down to kings/emperors/royalty?

I didn't bow down anyone. for others Allah knows best.

 

[Third_Umpire]

Why should anyone have to sing anything they don't want to?

 

[JaDed]

Sadly I agree with you, my point was that things in India are going down the drain that even pro-Indian media in the West can't ignore it.

Which are those?

 

[cricketjoshila]

I didn't bow down anyone. for others Allah knows best.

As i said i dont have issues with people not singing it.My issue is with the clergy who originally raised the controversy in 1950s.

 

[Pakpak]

Which are those?

BBC is one. Its got more positive articles on India than it does on any non-European country combined.

 

[JaDed]

BBC is one. Its got more positive articles on India than it does on any non-European country combined.

Surprising ,guess any Indian positive news seems to make the media Indian biased,there are multiple instances when BBC has done otherwise.

Also less spoken about other news outlets the better(considering there are more),one of the reasons why they are being not taken as seriously as before in India is their coverage of even Indian Space missions even though they genuinely might have many serious articles.

 

[Pakpak]

Surprising ,guess any Indian positive news seems to make the media Indian biased,there are multiple instances when BBC has done otherwise.

Also less spoken about other news outlets the better(considering there are more),one of the reasons why they are being not taken as seriously as before in India is their coverage of even Indian Space missions even though they genuinely might have many serious articles.

Perhaps you ought to read BBC everyday like I do for a decade, an average of one or two daily mundane articles highlighting all things good about India. Not that those things don't deserve to be highlighted but considering how many high profile cases of British and foreign women are raped in India BBC is very friendly to anything Indian. And it needs to be, it can hardly be negative about a country when its PM goes to India with a begging bowl after Brexit.

 

[javiersuka]

Genuine example of Religion before Nation.

 

[kabbirann]

I expect some Muslims do, some don't. Although I don't profess to be an expert on Muslim citizens of India, perhaps you are right and India's Muslims are indeed a hypocritical bunch collectively.

You are obviously unaware of the hierarchy of religions in India.
The most superior are the Hindu's -the finest,the most dhoodh ke dhule huye,they may rape and murder but they will remain pure as driven snow.
Then it's us Sikhs cause we are apparently like them.
Then its the Christians who convert Hindu's for money.
Then its the Muslims who have to be punished for everything.Even if they are raped or murdered,it is still their fault.

 

[CricketCartoons]

You are obviously unaware of the hierarchy of religions in India.
The most superior are the Hindu's -the finest,the most dhoodh ke dhule huye,they may rape and murder but they will remain pure as driven snow.
Then it's us Sikhs cause we are apparently like them.
Then its the Christians who convert Hindu's for money.
Then its the Muslims who have to be punished for everything.Even if they are raped or murdered,it is still their fault.

Rubbish.

This is the hierarchy:

Upper Caste Hindus
Sikhs/Jains/Parsis
Muslim Elite
Dalits
Backward Muslims
Tribals

 

[kabbirann]

Rubbish.

This is the hierarchy:

Upper Caste Hindus
Sikhs/Jains/Parsis
Muslim Elite
Dalits
Backward Muslims
Tribals

I was talking about religions not caste,you are right about tribals being the worst treated in India.
Where are the Christians in your list?

 

[CricketCartoons]

I was talking about religions not caste,you are right about tribals being the worst treated in India.
Where are the Christians in your list?

It is wrong to group people by religion, when it is fragmented based on caste. Elite Christians are at par, and sometimes above Upper caste Hindus, as they are closely knit and control most of the educational and medical institutes which are exempt from many laws as they come under minority status. The low rung Christians overlap with tribals in status.

 

[kabbirann]

It is wrong to group people by religion, when it is fragmented based on caste. Elite Christians are at par, and sometimes above Upper caste Hindus, as they are closely knit and control most of the educational and medical institutes which are exempt from many laws as they come under minority status. The low rung Christians overlap with tribals in status.

Appreciate your point.Don't know much about caste system in Muslims but whether you are elite or backward Muslim ,somewhere the constant denigration and hatred against them has to have some effect.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

Everyone in India does. Christians sing, Sikhs sing, Jains sing, Buddhist sing..

Why do Muslims want to have their way in everything? There should be uniformity in everything. One people, one Nation, one Law should be the motto. If everyone start having exceptions, then it will never end.

Just like Been ban is silly, so is this not singing Vandemataram, not having uniform civil code are.

But it's your people (majority Hindu) that have voted in a Hindu revivalist government. So how do you have a leg to stand on in today's India to demand minorities to conform to secular law when it's clear through the BJP's policies and avowed intent that nationalism in India must be underpinned by Hindu religion?

 

[czar]

But it's your people (majority Hindu) that have voted in a Hindu revivalist government. So how do you have a leg to stand on in today's India to demand minorities to conform to secular law when it's clear through the BJP's policies and avowed intent that nationalism in India must be underpinned by Hindu religion?

India had two choices, either vote for corrupt Congress or BJP whose less corrupt but cones with a mild Hindutva leaning, but it doesn't mean that vast majority of voters wanted a Hindutva state.... People voted for development.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

India had two choices, either vote for corrupt Congress or BJP whose less corrupt but cones with a mild Hindutva leaning, but it doesn't mean that vast majority of voters wanted a Hindutva state.... People voted for development.

Politicians reflect their people. The fact that you are claiming both political options needed to adopt Hindutva outlook says a lot about the population they were appealing to.

 

[Yatoo]

Vande Mataram is National Song.
Jana gana mana is National Anthem.

Muslims in lndia sing the Anthem. Problem is with song
Tagore has very balanced view on this issue

 

[Eagle_Eye]

Why does the anthem have reference to Sind .... it's not even part of India!

 

[Specialisttailender]

Language and culture is a sub set of a nationality and religion. The land the resources within and nation's borders are its property.

Do you get along with everyone of your own language or culture?Heck we dont get along with everyone in a family.

Countries are created based on language and religion not the other way around. Who was talking about resources ? I was talking about the air he was breathing which you claim belongs to the country lol. Every Indian has the right to do what they want as long as their action doesn't consist of spreading hate.

You didn't my point. Don't need to escalate further.

 

[Specialisttailender]

The Kingdom of Travancore existed till 1949 so did the Kingdom of Cochin. They were ruled by kings to whom people of all religion bowed. Thing is this is hypocrisy.I have no issues with anyone not singing Vande Matram, but i have an issue with hypocrisy.

Regarding what Tamilians will do. There are enough tamilians here to answer that question.

Again we are comparing Monarchy to a democratic nation.

There are enough sane Indians who will be disagreeing with you.

 

[PakLFC]

Would never sing that song no matter what. Thank Allah for Pakistan!

 

[Yatoo]

Why does the anthem have reference to Sind .... it's not even part of India!

Maybe some parts of Gujarat State

 

[cricketjoshila]

Why does the anthem have reference to Sind .... it's not even part of India!

Sindhis still live in India.

 

[Rafa]

Why does the anthem have reference to Sind .... it's not even part of India!

Belief in Akhand Bharat perhaps.

 

[cricketjoshila]

Again we are comparing Monarchy to a democratic nation.

There are enough sane Indians who will be disagreeing with you.

SO basically you will bow to a King but wont sing i salute my motherland in a democratic nation. This is what is called hypocrisy.

 

[Eagle_Eye]

Sindhis still live in India.

Yeh so... there are people from Gujarat, Rajasthan, UP, Bhopal, Hyderabad, bengal, Maharashtra even Burma living in Pakistan also.

This verse needs to be amended to include an area that IS in India... and do justice to south India but naming atleast one of their states... the anthem mentions them under one word...... Draavid .....while eulogises over practically every northern state by name and even those that are not even in India!!

 

[cricketjoshila]

Yeh so... there are people from Gujarat, Rajasthan, UP, Bhopal, Hyderabad, bengal, Maharashtra even Burma living in Pakistan also.

This verse needs to be amended to include an area that IS in India... and do justice to south India but naming atleast one of their states... the anthem mentions them under one word...... Draavid .....while eulogises over practically every northern state by name and even those that are not even in India!!

Who lives in Pakistan is Pakistan's problem.

What we put in our national anthem is ours.How we put them our omit them etc etc.If South Indians have any issue they know the apporpriate platforms to move.

 

[Eagle_Eye]

Who lives in Pakistan is Pakistan's problem.

What we put in our national anthem is ours.

It's a problem when you put Pakistani territory in it....

 

[cricketjoshila]

It's a problem when you put Pakistani territory in it....

Sindhis remain in India and are hence the word,The Sindhu River still flows in India. Pakistan doesnt have a copyright on the word.

 

[Eagle_Eye]

Sindhis remain in India and are hence the word,The Sindhu River still flows in India. Pakistan doesnt have a copyright on the word.

LOL. Indus originates from China through Kashmir all the way the entire length of Pakistan and into Arabian Sea...

Yet the river name and the Sind people are from the land just south of Punjab till the Arabian Sea, none of that is in India...

It's an absurdity to explicitly name a territory in the anthem that does not even belong to it and yet ignoring dark half of the country by putting it all under one word .... Dravidians.

 

[santos11]

LOL. Indus originates from China through Kashmir all the way the entire length of Pakistan and into Arabian Sea...

Yet the river name and the Sind people are from the land just south of Punjab till the Arabian Sea, none of that is in India...

It's an absurdity to explicitly name a territory in the anthem that does not even belong to it and yet ignoring dark half of the country by putting it all under one word .... Dravidians.

Pity, South Indians don't have a problem with that though

 

[cricketjoshila]

LOL. Indus originates from China through Kashmir all the way the entire length of Pakistan and into Arabian Sea...

Yet the river name and the Sind people are from the land just south of Punjab till the Arabian Sea, none of that is in India...

It's an absurdity to explicitly name a territory in the anthem that does not even belong to it and yet ignoring dark half of the country by putting it all under one word .... Dravidians.

J and K is part of India if you didnt know.So yes Sindhu River flows in India. Read about what was the extent of actual Sindh and not what was the extent of British Province of Sind.Parts of Sindh remain in India.

Its our anthem.Our people.Our south India.

This like "Tum Kaun,Main Khama Kha"

 

[cricketjoshila]

Pity, South Indians don't have a problem with that though

They will tell us who should be our PM, Our CM, Our Anthem, what should be laws and secularism in India.

 

[Specialisttailender]

SO basically you will bow to a King but wont sing i salute my motherland in a democratic nation. This is what is called hypocrisy.

Stop saying "You". King will kill you if he doesn't like you and no one can do a damn about it. There is a reason why everyone prefer a democratic government. I don't even know why I'm continuing to talk to a person that compares a Monarchy system to a democratic system. Who said they are not saluting the motherland ? Stop getting so sensitive. Stop turning everything around to suit your agenda. You don't even know you are doing and I'm not surprised.

 

[Specialisttailender]

Pity, South Indians don't have a problem with that though

Because the national anthem is in Bengali and we don't understand what it means. Even if it actually says "Our South India" I doubt people are going to question the wording. I for a long time thought the national anthem was in Hindi ). All i knew was rabindranath tagore wrote national anthem and he is from Kolkata.

 

[cricketjoshila]

Because the national anthem is in Bengali and we don't understand what it means. Even if it actually says "Our South India" I doubt people are going to question the wording. I for a long time thought the national anthem was in Hindi ). All i knew was rabindranath tagore wrote national anthem and he is from Kolkata.

You sir know nothing.

The National Anthem uses Sanskrit words which can be written in almost any Indian script and the words mean the same.

Nice Try btw.

 

[Eagle_Eye]

J and K is part of India if you didnt know.So yes Sindhu River flows in India. Read about what was the extent of actual Sindh and not what was the extent of British Province of Sind.Parts of Sindh remain in India.

Its our anthem.Our people.Our south India.

This like "Tum Kaun,Main Khama Kha"

one has to laugh at your hindutva indoctrination..... wake up man it's 2017. Sindh is not part of India and never will be.

so you telling me Kashmir, gujrat, rajastanis, Maharashtra, surashtra, Punjab are all actually Sind!! .... is that what hindutva curriculum teaches you?

Why are the South Indians almost written out of the anthem? Rather insultingly they are lumped under one word .... dravidians, they must all constitute probably 500 or 600 million people if not more.

Did you say "our people".... lol. Let me remind you that are the outsider from 1000s of miles from the far eastern corner. I have lot more in common with them than you do... your comment rather amusingly reminded me of BBC Asian presenter Dj Nihal, a Bengali, who pretends to be more Punjabi than Punjabi themselves.

 

[TM Riddle]

LOL. Indus originates from China through Kashmir all the way the entire length of Pakistan and into Arabian Sea...

Yet the river name and the Sind people are from the land just south of Punjab till the Arabian Sea, none of that is in India...

It's an absurdity to explicitly name a territory in the anthem that does not even belong to it and yet ignoring dark half of the country by putting it all under one word .... Dravidians.

It doesn't mention Rajasthan either. And while we are at it UP,MP,Bihar, whole north eastern part, Uttarakhand,Haryana,Delhi etc don't find a mention either.Racist Bengalis!

 

[Hornbill]

one has to laugh at your hindutva indoctrination..... wake up man it's 2017. Sindh is not part of India and never will be.

so you telling me Kashmir, gujrat, rajastanis, Maharashtra, surashtra, Punjab are all actually Sind!! .... is that what hindutva curriculum teaches you?

Why are the South Indians almost written out of the anthem? Rather insultingly they are lumped under one word .... dravidians, they must all constitute probably 500 or 600 million people if not more.

Did you say "our people".... lol. Let me remind you that are the outsider from 1000s of miles from the far eastern corner. I have lot more in common with them than you do... your comment rather amusingly reminded me of BBC Asian presenter Dj Nihal, a Bengali, who pretends to be more Punjabi than Punjabi themselves.

Tagore wrote Jana gana mana before independence even during it's adoption as national anthem south india were not linguistically divided into different states. From where did you got the info that there are 500 or 600 million Dravidians

 

[Rafa]

Sing Vande Mataram If You Want to Live in Uttarakhand: Education Minister



Dehradun: Barely a week after Uttarkhand’s Higher Education Minister and a former RSS functionary Dhan Singh Rawat made hoisting of the national flag mandatory in universities across the state, he is now trying to ensure that singing of the national anthem and national song is made compulsory in colleges.

While addressing students of a private college in Roorkee, he said that if you want to stay in Uttarakhand, you have to sing Vande Mataram.

He further said that they will also stipulate the timings of the songs. The national anthem should be sung at 10 in the morning and the national song at 4 in the evening.

In damage control later, he told CNN-News18, “The media has taken my speech out of context. The media is not playing my full speech. We are taking advice from various people. From the next session, we will make singing Vande Mataram compulsory in our colleges and schools. Everyone should sing Vande Mataram. In our state, no one is opposing Vande Mataram.”

www.news18.com/news/politics/sing-v...arakhand-says-education-minister-1369378.html

This are the comments from an Education Minister in India

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

The problem is not in singing vande mataram. The problem is who gave these self appointed thekedaars of religion the right to ask these people to sing it or quit india?

 

[Specialisttailender]

Why should anyone have to sing anything they don't want to?

If someone has problem singing their country's national anthem then their intention should be questioned. They shouldn't be tortured. Forcing anything will only result in stronger reaction. But our population don't know that.

 

[Specialisttailender]

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Dehradun: Barely a week after Uttarkhand’s Higher Education Minister and a former RSS functionary Dhan Singh Rawat made hoisting of the national flag mandatory in universities across the state, he is now trying to ensure that singing of the national anthem and national song is made compulsory in colleges.

While addressing students of a private college in Roorkee, he said that if you want to stay in Uttarakhand, you have to sing Vande Mataram.

He further said that they will also stipulate the timings of the songs. The national anthem should be sung at 10 in the morning and the national song at 4 in the evening.

In damage control later, he told CNN-News18, “The media has taken my speech out of context. The media is not playing my full speech. We are taking advice from various people. From the next session, we will make singing Vande Mataram compulsory in our colleges and schools. Everyone should sing Vande Mataram. In our state, no one is opposing Vande Mataram.”

www.news18.com/news/politics/sing-v...arakhand-says-education-minister-1369378.html

This are the comments from an Education Minister in India

Somebody please tell me what is wrong with hoisting your country's flag in universities ? Vande maadaram is not the national anthem, the words can be altered to to make sure there is no religious, caste or regional promotions.