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South Africa end Day 1 at 123/2 after bowling Pakistan out for 177

Shandarchowka said:
When did Pakistan cricket excite you last? Misbah era? Afridi era? Butt era? Malik era? Inzamam era? Imran era?
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1999 team was the best ever. Now theyr just a national embarrassment with the odd win here or there due to individual brilliance.
 
Do wish some posters would find a different hobby then showing up when Pakistan dont do well.
 
We give our bowling too much protection because of our awful batting. They have followed up the worst fourth innings display of 2018 with a completely flat performance.

If our bowling was anywhere as good as some people make it to be, we would be winning games in spite of batting poorly.

I don’t want to hear the nonsense about Amir’s average of 19. It means nothing for a strike bowler when you cannot run through lineups.
 
We're in Top 3 only in T20s that's a reality.

And being no. 1 ICC ranked team in T20 is what all matters.
 
Amir wasted the new bowl. He has forgotten how to swing the bowl back in with a kookaburra. Failed to nip back in. Gave Markram alot of help to survive and damage other bowlers psychologically as well. He is bowling at 129-132 speed really an embarassment.

Mir Hamza should've gone ahead of him. Hasan Ali looked more threatening and moves the delivery both ways, He was sacrificed to accomodate the garbage batting lineup.

Better not watch this match or even series until some changes are made at the top who are managing this team, the selectors.
 
Mamoon said:
We give our bowling too much protection because of our awful batting. They have followed up the worst fourth innings display of 2018 with a completely flat performance.

If our bowling was anywhere as good as some people make it to be, we would be winning games in spite of batting poorly.

I don’t want to hear the nonsense about Amir’s average of 19. It means nothing for a strike bowler when you cannot run through lineups.
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Spot on!
 
Pakistan needs a 6 feet tall strong all conditions bowler who can hit the deck hard and generate 140+ with uncomfortable bounce. At least one department should be perfect to make games entertaining.
 
I didn't see the match but I am assuming that pitch would have been a lot spicier in the first session else there's no reason for SA to chose to bowl when over the last 1 year it's been so clearly established that teams batting first end up winning the match. Just because of that reason, I wud imagine PPers would go easy on Pakistan team.
 
Mamoon said:
We give our bowling too much protection because of our awful batting. They have followed up the worst fourth innings display of 2018 with a completely flat performance.

If our bowling was anywhere as good as some people make it to be, we would be winning games in spite of batting poorly.

I don’t want to hear the nonsense about Amir’s average of 19. It means nothing for a strike bowler when you cannot run through lineups.
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Amir has a bowling average of 31.
 
Mamoon said:
We give our bowling too much protection because of our awful batting. They have followed up the worst fourth innings display of 2018 with a completely flat performance.

If our bowling was anywhere as good as some people make it to be, we would be winning games in spite of batting poorly.

I don’t want to hear the nonsense about Amir’s average of 19. It means nothing for a strike bowler when you cannot run through lineups.
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Sorry, but you have to have absolutely zero insight into the game to think any bowling attack could win their team matches with this sub-standard batting line-up.
 
Mamoon said:
We give our bowling too much protection because of our awful batting. They have followed up the worst fourth innings display of 2018 with a completely flat performance.

If our bowling was anywhere as good as some people make it to be, we would be winning games in spite of batting poorly.

I don’t want to hear the nonsense about Amir’s average of 19. It means nothing for a strike bowler when you cannot run through lineups.
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A team can be expected to score 300+ consistently nowadays but you can't expect any team to bowl out teams for under 200 consistently.

Its always better to have great batsmen and poor bowlers rather than having great bowlers and poor batsmen.

You can always chase 300+ if bowling does poorly but you can't honestly defend 150-200 that often.
 
Match has progressed to far for rain forecast on day 3 & 4 to be relevant .Cannot see lasting 275 overs .
Incidentally Markram is taking stance outside the crease to Shaheen too & not just Abbas .
 
Usman Chadda said:
Sorry, but you have to have absolutely zero insight into the game to think any bowling attack could win their team matches with this sub-standard batting line-up.
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They have let the team down many times. Just because our batting is worse doesn’t mean that we have to overrate our bowling.
 
Hadi Rizvi said:
A team can be expected to score 300+ consistently nowadays but you can't expect any team to bowl out teams for under 200 consistently.

Its always better to have great batsmen and poor bowlers rather than having great bowlers and poor batsmen.

You can always chase 300+ if bowling does poorly but you can't honestly defend 150-200 that often.
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This....
 
Hadi Rizvi said:
A team can be expected to score 300+ consistently nowadays but you can't expect any team to bowl out teams for under 200 consistently.

Its always better to have great batsmen and poor bowlers rather than having great bowlers and poor batsmen.

You can always chase 300+ if bowling does poorly but you can't honestly defend 150-200 that often.
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That’s true, but I would argue that our bowling is still overrated.
 
South Africa is a wonderful holiday destination, and Yasir is getting paid for it.
 
Pakistan has to have in-out field. They have mechanical field placements. They have to try something different by stifling their scoring rate.
 
Khwaja78 said:
Amir wasted the new bowl. He has forgotten how to swing the bowl back in with a kookaburra. Failed to nip back in. Gave Markram alot of help to survive and damage other bowlers psychologically as well. He is bowling at 129-132 speed really an embarassment.

Mir Hamza should've gone ahead of him. Hasan Ali looked more threatening and moves the delivery both ways, He was sacrificed to accomodate the garbage batting lineup.

Better not watch this match or even series until some changes are made at the top who are managing this team, the selectors.
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What did the other bowlers do?

Criticizing the best bowler and only 1 to take a wicket after scoring 22 Not Out hardly makes sense.
 
Mamoon said:
They have let the team down many times. Just because our batting is worse doesn’t mean that we have to overrate our bowling.
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They have kept us somewhat competitive, while the batting has been found wanting since TWO years now in EVERY test.

I’m not sure why people are getting riled up by this Pakistan performance. Your superstar team with Younis, Misbah, Ajmal and Gul got humiliated in 2013 in much worse fashion.
 
Sarfaraz should do something different with the bowling here.Perhaps give shan masood an over.
 
Usman Chadda said:
They have kept us somewhat competitive, while the batting has been found wanting since TWO years now in EVERY test.

I’m not sure why people are getting riled up by this Pakistan performance. Your superstar team with Younis, Misbah, Ajmal and Gul got humiliated in 2013 in much worse fashion.
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True.. Agree completely
 
Hasan Ali would have been an ideal bowler here instead of Yasir. Hasan leaks runs. But, he makes it up by picking up the wickets at the right intervals.
 
Stalin said:
May be in the sub continent. Outside, they'll get manhandled.
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I think PAK with this attack won’t man handle any team any where. But yes, we won’t get 20 wickets outside Asia. Forget about manhandling - on such Cape Town wickets, batsmen will score enough to take the game to last day. Last year, we traveled SAF at our lowest point without a coach (Hathura decided to leave by then), without Shakib - still batsmen didn’t disappoint, rather SAF crashed the bowling at 4.5+ RR. PAK might bat out lots of overs at 2.7 rate, but forget about man handling - this PAK team doesn’t deserve such praises.
 
Usman Chadda said:
They have kept us somewhat competitive, while the batting has been found wanting since TWO years now in EVERY test.

I’m not sure why people are getting riled up by this Pakistan performance. Your superstar team with Younis, Misbah, Ajmal and Gul got humiliated in 2013 in much worse fashion.
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This is a shaky South African lineup. Even last year they had de Villiers who kept them afloat against India.

Elgar is class, but Markram is inexperienced in spite of possessing a lot of ability. Amla is not the same anymore, Faf is decent at best and QdK is out of form.

This lineup will struggle against a high class attack, but our bowlers have been very flat in the last two innings.

The 2013 lineup was much better.
 
Arsalan Pro said:
What did the other bowlers do?

Criticizing the best bowler and only 1 to take a wicket after scoring 22 Not Out hardly makes sense.
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Rofl best bowler for taking one wicket where you need few? He got the best end to bowl the new cherry and he did'nt deliver. He is bowling at 129 km per hour.

A pathetic failure Markram has punched his bowling all over the park where all the bowls and had gone straight without swinging in.

for him Hasan was dropped, SA was going at 5 runs per over and he is best bowler? He has demoralized the rest also.
 
Pakistani cricket has gone to dogs
Only sycophants selected... Hard to believe that nobody in country can play short ball
 
Looks like the 100 for 5 for SA is not happening.
Lead will be knocked of by lunch tommorow.
By end of play tommorow a lead of 150 looks imminent.
Amla likely to score 100.
 
Pakistan kay bowlers Hashim bhai ko form main vapas lakar Hi manengay
 
Khwaja78 said:
Rofl best bowler for taking one wicket where you need few? He got the best end to bowl the new cherry and he did'nt deliver. He is bowling at 129 km per hour.

A pathetic failure Markram has punched his bowling all over the park where all the bowls and had gone straight without swinging in.

for him Hasan was dropped, SA was going at 5 runs per over and he is best bowler? He has demoralized the rest also.
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How about the 2 complementary freebies that Hasan was serving every over while Amir/Shaheen were delivering maidens? Was that to encourage the others?

Atleast have a look at Hasan's numbers before showering blind praise.
 
There is that domestic guy probably Abid Ali who is scoring century in every A game, yet he is not selected.. He is already 32. ..ab Kay 40pe debut karaoge.... Why u guys play A tours then?? It is his time pass I guess
 
Faheem Ashraf should have played to provide a 5th bowling option. Our batting is so poor, did we really benefit by playing an extra batsman?

Mickey Arthur should have gotten his way and Shafiq should have been benched.
 
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Khwaja78 said:
Rofl best bowler for taking one wicket where you need few? He got the best end to bowl the new cherry and he did'nt deliver. He is bowling at 129 km per hour.

A pathetic failure Markram has punched his bowling all over the park where all the bowls and had gone straight without swinging in.

for him Hasan was dropped, SA was going at 5 runs per over and he is best bowler? He has demoralized the rest also.
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When Hasan was going at 5 per over last match, wasn't Amir getting demoralized but still he picked up 4 wickets.

How are others demoralized when Abbas is almost going at 6 per over and Shaheen 4 per over while Amir 3 per over?

New ball stays new ball for 15 overs and Abbas and Shaheen got their chance more than Amir but failed miserably.

Markram was in worlds Top Ten Batsmen before the last and scored only 2 boundaries in Amir, how is he failure?

Hasan should have played instead of Shaheen.
 
Savak said:
Faheem Ashraf should have played to provide a 5th bowling option. Our batting is so **** poor, did we really benefit by playing an extra batsman?

Mickey Arthur should have gotten his way and Shafiq should have been benched.
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Try like England a/r opt
 
Lol look at that ball. This is why bowling first is not a good idea. RSA better make 400 now or you might end up batting last. :))
 
Imagine a 6’3-6’4 Shan Masood standing at the coin toss for the World Cup, towering over 5’9 Kohli. Imposing figure which sets the tone for the match.
 
Mamoon said:
This is a shaky South African lineup. Even last year they had de Villiers who kept them afloat against India.

Elgar is class, but Markram is inexperienced in spite of possessing a lot of ability. Amla is not the same anymore, Faf is decent at best and QdK is out of form.

This lineup will struggle against a high class attack, but our bowlers have been very flat in the last two innings.

The 2013 lineup was much better.
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We also had a much better team, and it was a complete mismatch with Asad Shafiq as our best batsman :facepalm:

Our batsmen are just not good enough to excel on these wickets. There is a reason Inzamam-ul-haq was a bonafide failure in South Africa. The bounce and pace is just too much for Pakistani batsmen to handle. Did you wonder why Masood has been our best batsman so far? Look at his stance and trigger movement, and compare that with the rest of the jokers and you will get your answer.

The bowling kept us in the game in the last match, while it appears to have run out of steam in this one :))
 
[MENTION=139075]Hadi Rizvi[/MENTION]

Is'nt Amir being hit with a 4 every over int the first 5? He completely wasted the new bowl.

If Shaheen ws given the new bowl there would've been some promise. Amir has completely pushed the shoulders down of the team. He is bowling in this match as mainstay strike bowler which is why we are in this situation.
PPers need to acknowledge he has lost the in-swing in to the right hander.

At least Hasan moves the bowl in both directions and hits better length often. Seriously doubt Amir will play next series. Mir Hamza was suppose to tour SA. Coach Arthur took this decision and made a tactical blunder banking on a wasted player like Amir.
 
Man those expressions on Shan's face were priceless!!
Unfortunately that was the only moment in the day where you could afford a smile on your face.
S.A in total command but we are not yet out of the match.
 
Most unpopular player in PAK side is by far the best performer in this series. I wrote that don’t mind Shan as deputy in Test - should amend that, don’t mind him to be captain actually.
 
Khwaja78 said:
[MENTION=139075]Hadi Rizvi[/MENTION]

Is'nt Amir being hit with a 4 every over int the first 5? He completely wasted the new bowl.

If Shaheen ws given the new bowl there would've been some promise. Amir has completely pushed the shoulders down of the team. He is bowling in this match as mainstay strike bowler which is why we are in this situation.
PPers need to acknowledge he has lost the in-swing in to the right hander.

At least Hasan moves the bowl in both directions and hits better length often. Seriously doubt Amir will play next series. Mir Hamza was suppose to tour SA. Coach Arthur took this decision and made a tactical blunder banking on a wasted player like Amir.
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No way. Shaheen is too inexperienced to get the new ball, as is evident by the floaters he bowls pretty much every over. Disappointed by the lack of short balls by Shaheen on this wicket. His natural length is surprisingly too full for a bowler of his height.
 
Hate seeing Pakistan bowl these days, so harmless and slow. :abbas1

Looking forward to seeing some great batting from Babar next inning.
 
Khwaja78 said:
[MENTION=139075]Hadi Rizvi[/MENTION]

Is'nt Amir being hit with a 4 every over int the first 5? He completely wasted the new bowl.

If Shaheen ws given the new bowl there would've been some promise. Amir has completely pushed the shoulders down of the team. He is bowling in this match as mainstay strike bowler which is why we are in this situation.
PPers need to acknowledge he has lost the in-swing in to the right hander.

At least Hasan moves the bowl in both directions and hits better length often. Seriously doubt Amir will play next series. Mir Hamza was suppose to tour SA. Coach Arthur took this decision and made a tactical blunder banking on a wasted player like Amir.
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No he isn't. Edging through the slip cordon isn't called "being hit for 4".

Amir has the lowest economy, more maidens and a major wicket. What have the rest done?

It seems you aren't following Amir at all. That in-swing to right handers is the one thing he has retained from his 2010 days. I can give you a million examples of those dismissals. Check his tour game in comeback series (vs Surrey). His ODI wickets vs IRE and ENG. His dismissal of Cook and Hales throughout that comeback ENG tour. Then his 8-3 game against IND in Asia Cup. Then his 5-fer against WI and finally his greatest performance in the CT final.

In all of the above mentioned games the most common dismissal is the inswinging delivery to the right handers getting them LBW or bowled.

It's clear that you know nothing about Amir.
 
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