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South Africa tour of Bangladesh (2024)

CrIc_Mystique said:
Good fightback by mehidi miraz..game interestingly poised even though saf are fav....but if BD get good lead ..pressure of last innings chasing - anything can happen...
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BD are leading by 65 runs. 3 wickets in hand.

I think a target of 150 (if BD can reach there) would be interesting. A target of 200 would be very good.
 
Bangladesh's main batsmen should feel ashamed of how they played in this match. They have something to learn from Miraz who has been our saviour. Total lack of technique, temperament and applications from all of them.

I m sorry to say that Shanto's,Shadman and Mominul's technique raises serious questions. With this technique they will bring nothing.

BCB should seriously search for batsmen in FC circuits with proper technique to replace them.
 
Mainul said:
Bangladesh's main batsmen should feel ashamed of how they played in this match. They have something to learn from Miraz who has been our saviour. Total lack of technique, temperament and applications from all of them.

I m sorry to say that Shanto's,Shadman and Mominul's technique raises serious questions. With this technique they will bring nothing.

BCB should seriously search for batsmen in FC circuits with proper technique to replace them.
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Top 3-4 have been failing consistently. Need to sort out top order.
 
new ball due , if pacers can bowl tomorrow , result could be possible in 3 hours .
 
BD were 112/6. They reached 283/7 from that position. Not bad.

They have to keep on batting and try to set a target of 200+.
 
Poor bowling from SA to allow BD score so many runs after being down 6 wickets for 100 odd runs.
 
Mainul said:
Bangladesh's main batsmen should feel ashamed of how they played in this match. They have something to learn from Miraz who has been our saviour. Total lack of technique, temperament and applications from all of them.

I m sorry to say that Shanto's,Shadman and Mominul's technique raises serious questions. With this technique they will bring nothing.

BCB should seriously search for batsmen in FC circuits with proper technique to replace them.
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Not an excuse, but the reason I can explain.... which I am sure will go 10 feet above the head of BCB idiots.

BD players play Test at home with Kookaburra - a ball notorious to create havoc when new for first 23-25 overs, but looses it's sting by 25th over. Besides, machine stitched Kookaburra is never suitable for spin based attack for it's low seem, once worn out and it doesn't swing much when old, let alone reverse. BUT, these same players play domestic FC cricket with English County Grade balls, not that low in quality but it never offers the same venom like a new Kookaburra. For that, our top order is always under pressure and by the time Kookaburra looses it's sting, 4/5 are already back in hut - they simply can't handle the extra kick & movement of machine stitched hard & shiny Kookaburra, made for Australian tracks. Couple of years back, before T20 got better of him, Shaheen won couple of Tests in his first spell.......

You'll see despite being relatively docile wickets compared to SAF or UK, still new ball produces among highest number of wickets in Bangladesh, not only against hosts, but against tourists batting as well, while bottom half always has produced runs - even Bangladesh spinners often run through top half of the side within first 25 overs when it's bouncing & kicking off the surface, only for bottom half to pile up runs. In recent times in PAK, they used same Kookaburra and we found scores like 25/6 to 260+, 100/4 to 560+ ... Some genius will say that reverse the batting order - Liton as opener, Miraz at three .... result will be 89 all-out, trust me - because the problem is different.

It's not that batsmen are incapable, but batting is a precision, zero tolerance job - need to make just one mistake after 2 hours - our batters are doing one in every alternate new ball overs!!! We need to bring one change to counter this - either play every FC game with Test grade Kookaburra, or change home Test ball to Dukes, Test Grade 1. I prefer the second as it'll make the spinners more effective.

What I wrote is cricket explanation - rest you can credit to bad blood (gin), brain fart, lack of talunt, hopeless nation ..... options are endless.
 
Very good fight back from BD. They can potentially win this if they can push the lead beyond 150. SA has a very brittle batting and they easily fall like dominos
 
sweep_shot said:
BD were 112/6. They reached 283/7 from that position. Not bad.

They have to keep on batting and try to set a target of 200+.
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even 150 might enable them to win this match. This fightback also means SA will be somewhat disappointed and demotivated as they couldn't drive home their advantage.. With rain the backdrop, if BD can bat for 40 overs and add 100 to 120 it will not be easy for SA
 
MMHS said:
Not an excuse, but the reason I can explain.... which I am sure will go 10 feet above the head of BCB idiots.

BD players play Test at home with Kookaburra - a ball notorious to create havoc when new for first 23-25 overs, but looses it's sting by 25th over. Besides, machine stitched Kookaburra is never suitable for spin based attack for it's low seem, once worn out and it doesn't swing much when old, let alone reverse. BUT, these same players play domestic FC cricket with English County Grade balls, not that low in quality but it never offers the same venom like a new Kookaburra. For that, our top order is always under pressure and by the time Kookaburra looses it's sting, 4/5 are already back in hut - they simply can't handle the extra kick & movement of machine stitched hard & shiny Kookaburra, made for Australian tracks. Couple of years back, before T20 got better of him, Shaheen won couple of Tests in his first spell.......

You'll see despite being relatively docile wickets compared to SAF or UK, still new ball produces among highest number of wickets in Bangladesh, not only against hosts, but against tourists batting as well, while bottom half always has produced runs - even Bangladesh spinners often run through top half of the side within first 25 overs when it's bouncing & kicking off the surface, only for bottom half to pile up runs. In recent times in PAK, they used same Kookaburra and we found scores like 25/6 to 260+, 100/4 to 560+ ... Some genius will say that reverse the batting order - Liton as opener, Miraz at three .... result will be 89 all-out, trust me - because the problem is different.

It's not that batsmen are incapable, but batting is a precision, zero tolerance job - need to make just one mistake after 2 hours - our batters are doing one in every alternate new ball overs!!! We need to bring one change to counter this - either play every FC game with Test grade Kookaburra, or change home Test ball to Dukes, Test Grade 1. I prefer the second as it'll make the spinners more effective.

What I wrote is cricket explanation - rest you can credit to bad blood (gin), brain fart, lack of talunt, hopeless nation ..... options are endless.
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why does BD play with a different ball in FC and Internationals? how does it help? it makes no sense. Choose a ball manufacture, any one, and stick with them for all official matches.
 
Dana intensifying into a severe cyclonic storm and rain lashing Kolkata... how is Dhaka looking for day 4 ? We need 3 hours of play to get a result imo .
 
Human786 said:
Dana intensifying into a severe cyclonic storm and rain lashing Kolkata... how is Dhaka looking for day 4 ? We need 3 hours of play to get a result imo .
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LOL. How are you sure game would be over in 3 hours? It may take less than that. It may take more than that.

As long as Miraz is there, game may get prolonged.
 
sweep_shot said:
LOL. How are you sure game would be over in 3 hours? It may take less than that. It may take more than that.

As long as Miraz is there, game may get prolonged.
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If SAF pacers allowed 2 bowl with the new ball which is available , target would be max 120 which will take 2 hours to get child .
 
Human786 said:
Dana intensifying into a severe cyclonic storm and rain lashing Kolkata... how is Dhaka looking for day 4 ? We need 3 hours of play to get a result imo .
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Usually if a bay of Bengal cyclone is closer to BD(if not making landfall), it draws persistent rain. If we have play tommorow it might be up to lunch..after that it looks gloom. Day 5 is a forgotten conclusion unless Dana makes rapid turn
 
Dhakar Pola said:
Usually if a bay of Bengal cyclone is closer to BD(if not making landfall), it draws persistent rain. If we have play tommorow it might be up to lunch..after that it looks gloom. Day 5 is a forgotten conclusion unless Dana makes rapid turn
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If we get play , will the light be good enough for pacers to bowl holds the key to result imo ...
 
Human786 said:
If SAF pacers allowed 2 bowl with the new ball which is available , target would be max 120 which will take 2 hours to get child .
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This is not a flat Delhi or Rawalpindi pitch where you can do Bazball and get 120 in 2 hours.

This is a dustbowl Mirpur pitch. May not be easy to get 120 in 2 hours.

Anyway, BD innings isn't over yet. There is no guarantee that SA would be chasing 120 or less.
 

Tamim told me how the wicket was going to behave: Maharaj​


South Africa left-arm spinner Keshav Maharaj on Wednesday admitted that he asked for advice from former Bangladesh skipper Tamim Iqbal regarding the conditions in Mirpur and also claimed that the southpaw was spot on about how the surface was going to behave.

Earlier this year, Maharaj played for the Fortune Barishal, captained by Tamim, in three of their matches during the 10th edition of Bangladesh Premier League.

Both the players developed a good relationship while playing in the BPL and when Maharaj came to Bangladesh with the Proteas to play the ongoing two-match Test series against the hosts, he texted Tamim straightway to know more about the conditions and what to expect from the wickets.

"Yeah, I just sent Tamim bhai a message. I have got a good relationship with him, obviously playing in the BPL," said Maharaj, who has already taken six wickets so far in the opening Test against Bangladesh at the Sher-e-Bangla National Cricket Stadium in Mirpur.

"I just asked for some advice relating to the conditions and how to go about business, and he gave me a few words in terms of how the wicket would play, and yeah, it wasn't wrong. And he read the wicket to the tee."

After a difficult start to the match, Bangladesh staged a fightback on Day 3 as Mehedi Hasan Miraz (87 not out) and Jaker Ali Anik (58) scored fifties and put together a 138-run stand for the seventh wicket before rain and bad light forced an early close to the day's proceedings. The Proteas are still on top as the hosts lead by 81 runs with only three wickets left.

"Bangladesh have done really well today. The conditions got a little bit better, if I'm honest, with a slightly used ball. But I think we're still ahead. Bangladesh have a lead and we've got three wickets more to go," Maharaj said after the third day of the match.

"We can restrict them as much as possible, but I still feel we'll be in the driving seat, considering the good work that our batters have done in our first innings.

"Look, ideally we'd like to restrict Bangladesh to 100 or below that but it's important that we start well in the morning and then assess from there."

www.thedailystar.net

Tamim told me how the wicket was going to behave: Maharaj

South Africa left-arm spinner Keshav Maharaj on Wednesday admitted that he asked for advice from former Bangladesh skipper Tamim Iqbal regarding the conditions in Mirpur and also claimed that the southpaw was spot on about how the surface was going to behave.
www.thedailystar.net www.thedailystar.net
 
MMHS said:
Not an excuse, but the reason I can explain.... which I am sure will go 10 feet above the head of BCB idiots.

BD players play Test at home with Kookaburra - a ball notorious to create havoc when new for first 23-25 overs, but looses it's sting by 25th over. Besides, machine stitched Kookaburra is never suitable for spin based attack for it's low seem, once worn out and it doesn't swing much when old, let alone reverse. BUT, these same players play domestic FC cricket with English County Grade balls, not that low in quality but it never offers the same venom like a new Kookaburra. For that, our top order is always under pressure and by the time Kookaburra looses it's sting, 4/5 are already back in hut - they simply can't handle the extra kick & movement of machine stitched hard & shiny Kookaburra, made for Australian tracks. Couple of years back, before T20 got better of him, Shaheen won couple of Tests in his first spell.......

You'll see despite being relatively docile wickets compared to SAF or UK, still new ball produces among highest number of wickets in Bangladesh, not only against hosts, but against tourists batting as well, while bottom half always has produced runs - even Bangladesh spinners often run through top half of the side within first 25 overs when it's bouncing & kicking off the surface, only for bottom half to pile up runs. In recent times in PAK, they used same Kookaburra and we found scores like 25/6 to 260+, 100/4 to 560+ ... Some genius will say that reverse the batting order - Liton as opener, Miraz at three .... result will be 89 all-out, trust me - because the problem is different.

It's not that batsmen are incapable, but batting is a precision, zero tolerance job - need to make just one mistake after 2 hours - our batters are doing one in every alternate new ball overs!!! We need to bring one change to counter this - either play every FC game with Test grade Kookaburra, or change home Test ball to Dukes, Test Grade 1. I prefer the second as it'll make the spinners more effective.

What I wrote is cricket explanation - rest you can credit to bad blood (gin), brain fart, lack of talunt, hopeless nation ..... options are endless.
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What's the reason for using different balls for FC and international games?

Some one must have given explanation even if the explanation is poor.
 
Rabada strikes with the new ball on Day 4 and completes his fifer.

Bangladesh leads by 92 runs with 2 wickets in hand.
 
How is rain prediction today? Anyone from BD ? Will we get 50-60 overs of play today?
 
1 more wicket for SA and they will be batting again to chase down the score of 100+.
 
Bangladesh vs South Africa, 1st Test

Day 4: 1st Session - South Africa won by 7 wkts

BAN 106 & 307

RSA 308 & 106/3 (22) CRR: 4.82
 
South Africa beat Bangladesh to boost World Test Championship prospects

The Proteas jump to fourth on the standings courtesy of their big victory over Bangladesh.

South Africa have improved to fourth spot on the ICC World Test Championship standings following their impressive win over Bangladesh in the first Test in Mirpur.

The Proteas improved their point-percentage to 47.62 with the victory, which helped them jump over New Zealand and England and take fourth place on the standings.

Bangladesh’s loss sees their point-percentage drop to 30.56 and they continue to languish in seventh place with India and Australia still remaining in the top two spots on the standings.

Bangladesh’s Najmul Hossain Shanto won the toss and elected to field against South Africa, but the decision backfired as South Africa’s pacers and spinners thrived in helpful conditions, bowling out Bangladesh for merely 106. Kagiso Rabada, Wiaan Mulder, and Keshav Maharaj picked up three wickets each.

Bangladesh’s spinners fought back, with Taijul Islam and Mehidy Hasan sharing seven wickets between them but a fighting ton from Kyle Verreynne backed by support from Mulder (54) and Dane Piedt (32) helped South Africa gain a massive lead of 202 runs.

South Africa bowlers took charge once more in the third innings with Rabada leading the way and had the hosts at 112/6 at one stage. However, Mehidy Hasan (97) resisted for Bangladesh, stitching important stands with the lower-order to get the side to 307. Rabada eventually finished with 6/46, his best bowling figures in Asia.

Needing 106 runs to win, South Africa had little troubles during their chase in the fourth innings, guided by Tony de Zorzi’s 41 and Tristan Stubbs’ 30*, taking the game by seven wickets.

The second Test between Bangladesh and South Africa will be played from 29th October in Chattogram.

ICC
 
MMHS said:
Not an excuse, but the reason I can explain.... which I am sure will go 10 feet above the head of BCB idiots.

BD players play Test at home with Kookaburra - a ball notorious to create havoc when new for first 23-25 overs, but looses it's sting by 25th over. Besides, machine stitched Kookaburra is never suitable for spin based attack for it's low seem, once worn out and it doesn't swing much when old, let alone reverse. BUT, these same players play domestic FC cricket with English County Grade balls, not that low in quality but it never offers the same venom like a new Kookaburra. For that, our top order is always under pressure and by the time Kookaburra looses it's sting, 4/5 are already back in hut - they simply can't handle the extra kick & movement of machine stitched hard & shiny Kookaburra, made for Australian tracks. Couple of years back, before T20 got better of him, Shaheen won couple of Tests in his first spell.......

You'll see despite being relatively docile wickets compared to SAF or UK, still new ball produces among highest number of wickets in Bangladesh, not only against hosts, but against tourists batting as well, while bottom half always has produced runs - even Bangladesh spinners often run through top half of the side within first 25 overs when it's bouncing & kicking off the surface, only for bottom half to pile up runs. In recent times in PAK, they used same Kookaburra and we found scores like 25/6 to 260+, 100/4 to 560+ ... Some genius will say that reverse the batting order - Liton as opener, Miraz at three .... result will be 89 all-out, trust me - because the problem is different.

It's not that batsmen are incapable, but batting is a precision, zero tolerance job - need to make just one mistake after 2 hours - our batters are doing one in every alternate new ball overs!!! We need to bring one change to counter this - either play every FC game with Test grade Kookaburra, or change home Test ball to Dukes, Test Grade 1. I prefer the second as it'll make the spinners more effective.

What I wrote is cricket explanation - rest you can credit to bad blood (gin), brain fart, lack of talunt, hopeless nation ..... options are endless.
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Thanks. I didn't know it . Thats ridiculous. Two completely different balls are being played in 2 stages !! But noone has been talking about it!!
 
Apart from Taijul (got 8 wickets) and Miraz (97), everybody else flopped.

Need a better show in 2nd Test.
 
sweep_shot said:
This is not a flat Delhi or Rawalpindi pitch where you can do Bazball and get 120 in 2 hours.

This is a dustbowl Mirpur pitch. May not be easy to get 120 in 2 hours.

Anyway, BD innings isn't over yet. There is no guarantee that SA would be chasing 120 or less.
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well they got 106 in 22 hours and inside 2 hours. So it is like Delhi and Pindi afterall

Overall a missed chance by BD. They could have won this with better application in the first innings
 
Proteas Men’s Test captain Temba Bavuma has been ruled out of the second Test against Bangladesh as he continues his recovery from a left elbow injury.

While the right-hander has made significant progress in his rehabilitation, he will not be match-ready when the second Test gets underway on 29 October in Chattogram.

Aiden Markram will continue to lead the Proteas in Bavuma’s absence.

Proteas Test squad against Bangladesh

Aiden Markram (captain, Momentum Multiply Titans), David Bedingham (World Sports Betting Western Province), Matthew Breetzke (Dafabet Warriors), Dewald Brevis (Momentum Multiply Titans), Tony de Zorzi (World Sports Betting Western Province), Keshav Maharaj (Hollywoodbets Dolphins), Wiaan Mulder (DP World Lions), Senuran Muthusamy (Dafabet Warriors), Lungi Ngidi (Momentum Multiply Titans), Dane Paterson (World Sports Betting Western Province), Dane Piedt (Knights), Kagiso Rabada (DP World Lions), Tristan Stubbs (Dafabet Warriors), Ryan Rickelton (DP World Lions), and Kyle Verreynne (World Sports Betting Western Province).
 
Afghanistan is surpassing BD. BD spinners were taken to cleaners by IND, while NZ part time spinners are doing much much better against the same opposition.

BD celebrated win in Pakistan as if they won the World Test Championship or something. Overall, things are really NOT looking good for BD.

@MMHS @sweep_shot @Dhakar Pola
 
BDfanforever said:
Afghanistan is surpassing BD. BD spinners were taken to cleaners by IND, while NZ part time spinners are doing much much better against the same opposition.

BD celebrated win in Pakistan as if they won the World Test Championship or something. Overall, things are really NOT looking good for BD.

@MMHS @sweep_shot @Dhakar Pola
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To be fair, India and South Africa are top teams. Losing to them is expected.

I would be worried if they lose like this to West Indies (BD are scheduled to play them soon).

Anyway, no doubt that performance has been below average since that Pakistan series. Batting needs improvement.
 
BDfanforever said:
Afghanistan is surpassing BD. BD spinners were taken to cleaners by IND, while NZ part time spinners are doing much much better against the same opposition.

BD celebrated win in Pakistan as if they won the World Test Championship or something. Overall, things are really NOT looking good for BD.

@MMHS @sweep_shot @Dhakar Pola
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Nothing new. Life of a BD fan
 
This thread is about SOuth Africa's tour to Bangladesh. No need to bring India Pakistan everywhere. Stay on topic
 
Test 2 at Chattogram starts tomorrow on what peeps & cricinfo say is a batting friendly surface traditionally . Hopefully sanity prevails & SAF add a bowler relegating Mulder to 7 as 5th bowling option & the harebrained hosts too replace injured Jaker with a bowler so that Miraz is the 5th bowling option & not 4th . [ Liton gets the keeping gloves ] Weather all clear . Any reports & pictures of pitch BD fans ? comic relief : Shanto says last test as skipper , Tai Islam says ready to take up captaincy :)
 
Human786 said:
Test 2 at Chattogram starts tomorrow on what peeps & cricinfo say is a batting friendly surface traditionally . Hopefully sanity prevails & SAF add a bowler relegating Mulder to 7 as 5th bowling option & the harebrained hosts too replace injured Jaker with a bowler so that Miraz is the 5th bowling option & not 4th . [ Liton gets the keeping gloves ] Weather all clear . Any reports & pictures of pitch BD fans ? comic relief : Shanto says last test as skipper , Tai Islam says ready to take up captaincy :)
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Chattogram tends to be batting-friendly.
 
Chattogram is a terrible venue for the home side. 7 losses and no wins.

South Africa huge favourites to whitewash BD.
 
Nikhil_cric said:
Chattogram is a terrible venue for the home side. 7 losses and no wins.

South Africa huge favourites to whitewash BD.
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Not surprising at all. This particular Chattogram ground is batting-friendly. Doesn't suit BD bowlers.

BD have had better successes in Mirpur.
 
Dolund Trump said:
They must drop that idiot Dane Piedt.
Ridiculous that they do not select Harmer.
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CSA has to meet transformation targets I suppose.

I think they are trying to do that by picking their best XI's for ICC events and then meeting targets for coloured/black players in Test cricket/bilateral white ball cricket which they don't care about.

Harmer and Linde are primarily Test cricketers so they miss out.
 
Bangladesh vs South Africa, 2nd Test:

South Africa have won the toss and have opted to bat
 
24 runs in last 10 overs ... visitors need to score at 4+ per over if they want to have any hope of result on this sad ROAD !
 
Stubbs is playing way too slow. Putting extra pressure on Zorzi as well.
 
SA well in control but maybe Stubbs should play more of his natural game
A whitewash here puts them firmly in the mix for the WTC final
 
This is the flattest pitch in BD. Tend to be high-scoring.

I expect SA to score 500-600.
 
batandballbattle said:
SA well in control but maybe Stubbs should play more of his natural game
A whitewash here puts them firmly in the mix for the WTC final
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South Africa have a good chance to make it to WTC final. Their final 2 series are against Sri Lanka and Pakistan (both at home).
 
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