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South Africa vs India | 3rd test | Kanpur| 10/4/2008 to 14/04/2008

good to know that buddy..
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Looks like it's turning and dusting up...but slowly as of yet . S.A can still put on 250 plus here , which will set up the game for a win in my opinion .
 
100 up .....but it is turning...runs are worth gold . I have a feeling harris with his height and faster pace will be tricky on this surface .
 
Good comment on cricinfo which I agree with . S.A's recent strategy against spin is so simple , yet efective . Attack and be positive . Don't prod around...look for the bad ball and punish it . Beofre you'd see south african trying to pad away and block and defend against the spinners to no avail .May as well take a few risks . Good stuff .
 
Blitzkrieg said:
well why dont just give yuvraj a break!! he had just two bad test matches....and he was coming from a good innings againt pak (169) when india where like 70/4 down....
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So why drop RP Singh on the same basis? Because he doesn't drink Pepsi? :26:

Fact is, Yuvraj has played ONLY that one innings of any merit.
The faster he goes from the scene, the better of the team will be.
 
smith hits a 6 to go to his 50....proves my point about the S.a playing the spinners by attacking .
 
Smith in very good form lately - makes a big difference to the Saffers if he is batting well.
 
Perth93 said:
So why drop RP Singh on the same basis? Because he doesn't drink Pepsi? :26:

Fact is, Yuvraj has played ONLY that one innings of any merit.
The faster he goes from the scene, the better of the team will be.
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well th reason R.P isnt playing because of form lately!! and ishant and sreesanth are india's best bet at the moment....with sachin not playing and there was a choice between yuvraj and kaif......yuvraj was a obvious choice cause he bowls....and he nearly got a wicket here.....actually it was out....so this is the reason yuvraj is playing ....and u rem bangalore test between pakistan and india last tour??? if it wasnt for light yuvraj was running through the pakistani lineup!! and this is similar kind of pitch with low bounce!
 
Blitzkrieg said:
well why dont just give yuvraj a break!! he had just two bad test matches....and he was coming from a good innings againt pak (169) when india where like 70/4 down....
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He was hopeless against australia and did not look at all like a Test quality batsman, fielded terribly when he was supposed to be the best fieldsman in the team, then failed in the 2020 which he is supposed to be a gun at, then failed in every single ODI (except for one against Sri Lanka of course) in the CB series. How can you bring him back to the Test team?

Kaif has been making mountains of runs and I am sure there are others who have been making runs in the Indian domestic - what sort of message does picking Yuvi send to those guys? (Unless Yuvi has been making domestic runs but I doubt he has played a game cso he is SupaStar!)

So that's why I don't give him a break :D
 
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Pak pitches are generally too flat to give advantage/disadvantage to either home or away team. I guess the low bounce is the only real distinct factor there.
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Which actually is a disadvantage to the Pakistan team as they usually have some pretty mean fast bowlers.
 
I wonder what the record is for lowest number of wickets taken by pace bowlers for any major side in a 3 test series.

Sreesanth has a got a couple but can't remember anybody else getting any.
 
well...i think india is loosing this test match big time. This and the last test match..they have dig there own graves themselves!!
 
Smith in very good form lately - makes a big difference to the Saffers if he is batting well.
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All the batters are to be honest (except prince).
 
Random Aussie said:
He was hopeless against australia and did not look at all like a Test quality batsman, fielded terribly when he was supposed to be the best fieldsman in the team, then failed in the 2020 which he is supposed to be a gun at, then failed in every single ODI (except for one against Sri Lanka of course) in the CB series. How can you bring him back to the Test team?

Kaif has been making mountains of runs and I am sure there are others who have been making runs in the Indian domestic - what sort of message does picking Yuvi send to those guys? (Unless Yuvi has been making domestic runs but I doubt he has played a game cso he is SupaStar!)

So that's why I don't give him a break :D
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well.....read my post above...thatz why he needs abreak from you and not from test cricket!
 
saffer said:
What's a good first innings score on this type of wicket ?
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Well, considering the start, the Saffies would be pretty unhappy if they got anything less than 350.
 
The spinners have bowled 26 of the 38 overs so far. That's 68% on the first day of a test match. Ridiculous.
 
Well, considering the start, the Saffies would be pretty unhappy if they got anything less than 350.
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I'd be thrilled with anything close 300 . Over 300 would be HUGE on this track.
 
Blitzkrieg said:
well.....read my post above...thatz why he needs abreak from you and not from test cricket!
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Because he bowls tame harmless offspin? And is not in any sort of form with the bat?

And no I will not give him a break :D
 
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Random Aussie said:
Because he bowls tame harmless offspin? And is not in any sort of form with the bat?

And no I will not give him a break :D
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there are some examples of the tame and harmless spin!

Yuvraj Singh to Amla, no run, edged but it doesn't carry! Yuvraj drifted the ball into the right-hander from round the wicket and spun it away from him, Amla tried to defend on the front foot but got an outside edge which fell short of Dravid at first slip

33.1 Yuvraj Singh to Smith, no run, loud appeal for lbw first up, Smith moves a long way across his stump and tries to play across the line, Smith misses and gets hit in line of off stump, the ball was turning into middle and leg, that looked rather out but Doctrove didn't think so

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Blitzkrieg said:
there are some examples of the tame and harmless spin!

Yuvraj Singh to Amla, no run, edged but it doesn't carry! Yuvraj drifted the ball into the right-hander from round the wicket and spun it away from him, Amla tried to defend on the front foot but got an outside edge which fell short of Dravid at first slip

33.1 Yuvraj Singh to Smith, no run, loud appeal for lbw first up, Smith moves a long way across his stump and tries to play across the line, Smith misses and gets hit in line of off stump, the ball was turning into middle and leg, that looked rather out but Doctrove didn't think so

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No wickets :D

Will India petition for Doctrove to be removed too?

Watching on the net, god almighty the Indian commentator is having a whinge about that LBW.
 
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Sheikh said:
It's pretty obvious and I don't feel the need to elaborate.
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well i would go ahead and elborate it then!!
cause i guess u r too used seing matches in england or Sa or any other part where u got pacers bowling more then 75%!! so whatz the problem if spinners are boowling 68% here???
 
Blitzkrieg said:
well i would go ahead and elborate it then!!
cause i guess u r too used seing matches in england or Sa or any other part where u got pacers bowling more then 75%!! so whatz the problem if spinners are boowling 68% here???
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Sigh, if you don't see a problem in having 2 part time spinners bowling in tandem in the 40th over of a test match (on the first day), then I don't know what to say.


I will say this: If Pakistan were doing the same thing, I'd be pulling my hair out.
 
Blitzkrieg said:
well i would go ahead and elborate it then!!
cause i guess u r too used seing matches in england or Sa or any other part where u got pacers bowling more then 75%!! so whatz the problem if spinners are boowling 68% here???
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Because a good Test pitch should have something in it for all the bowlers. There should be something for the faster bowlers in the first few days and then the spinners come into play as the wicket wears.

The other pretty obvious inference is that this pitch has been prepared because India are down 1-nil in the Test series. As I said, India seem to have this idea that the home pitches are supposed to be blatantly in their favour (see Harby's comments after the first day of the last Test). Other Test playing nations (Sri Lanka excepted and excused slightly because they don't really have the money to produce good pitches anyway) do not think in this way.
 
Random Aussie said:
No wickets :D

Will India petition for Doctrove to be removed too?

Watching on the net, god almighty the Indian commentator is having a whinge about that LBW.
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well hes got more creditability then god almighty random aussie whose quite random and silly and pissed why indians kicked sum aussie a$$ in there own backyard and to his worst nightmare is supporting saffies these days(one of australias main cricketing rivals )
 
Blitzkrieg said:
well hes got more creditability then god almighty random aussie whose quite random and silly and pissed why indians kicked sum aussie a$$ in there own backyard and to his worst nightmare is supporting saffies these days(one of australias main cricketing rivals )
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Eh? Grow up mate
 
Random Aussie said:
Smith gone after taking 10 of that Yuvi over.

Yuvi the sheik of tweak!
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Awww that hurts right? 'how the hell this yuvraj guy the tame harmless spinner got the sa captain' some random guy in aus SULKIING....
 
Important wicket there for the Indians. They need to consistently make breakthroughs to get a hold of this game. S.A, on the other hand, will look to fashion a few more meaningful partnerships on their way to a significant 1st innings score. Kallis the key once again; a big score by him will take S.A to relative safety.
 
Sheikh said:
Important wicket there for the Indians. They need to consistently make breakthroughs to get a hold of this game. S.A, on the other hand, will look to fashion a few more meaningful partnerships on their way to a significant 1st innings score. Kallis the key once again; a big score by him will take S.A to relative safety.
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they need to get amla....cause hes scoring freely and nicely settled in....
 
Blitzkrieg said:
Awww that hurts right? 'how the hell this yuvraj guy the tame harmless spinner got the sa captain' some random guy in aus SULKIING....
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Why would I be sulking? :20: And no it doesn't "hurt". I am just watching a cricket match and commenting on it like everyone else.

Well done to Yuvi for getting a wicket but I still think they should have picked a batsman who was actually making runs.
 
well hes got more creditability then god almighty random aussie whose quite random and silly and pissed why indians kicked sum aussie a$$ in there own backyard and to his worst nightmare is supporting saffies these days(one of australias main cricketing rivals )
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India kicked Aussies @ss in their own backyard ?

Comments like this force to do something i hate....support Australia....which series where you watching exactly ?
 
Blitzkrieg said:
well hes got more creditability then god almighty random aussie whose quite random and silly and pissed why indians kicked sum aussie a$$ in there own backyard and to his worst nightmare is supporting saffies these days(one of australias main cricketing rivals )
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:))
 
If S.A can get to 200 for 3 or 4 ...then 300 and more are possible...which would be a big score with indias first innings happening on a day 4 pitch .
 
Random Aussie said:
Why would I be sulking? :20: And no it doesn't "hurt". I am just watching a cricket match and commenting on it like everyone else.

Well done to Yuvi for getting a wicket but I still think they should have picked a batsman who was actually making runs.
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well it is some random in aus whose sulking!!

on a serious note...kaif hasnt played int cricket for some time....and on this pitch they needed someone wo could bowl and bat...and yuvraj offers both!

P.S-kaif hasnt been scoring mountain of runs!! his average is in high 40's which lower then katich's which is in 70's(which u said dun deserve a place)
 
Can someone explain to the indian fans how maths works ?

for example start with this

2 > 1
 
Don't hold back Indian fans , you've had little to shout for....2 quick wickets......I know you want to start roraring onto the scene...let's make the thread interesting with both sides participating...
 
saffer said:
India kicked Aussies @ss in their own backyard ?

Comments like this force to do something i hate....support Australia....which series where you watching exactly ?
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some series which u ddnt see!! and sharma cleans up Amla!
 
Oh no..kallis and prince new to the crease batting together . Expect all scoring to stop and pressure to come right on top of south africa . Come on boys...250 is the magic number...!!
 
saffer said:
Obviously....the one I saw was 2-1 to australia...and closer to 3-1 than 2 all .
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the series which i was talkin bout was the one after!! i guess u didnt see it...ryt?? i dont know what have indians done to PI§§ autrialin and south african posters(must be sumthing really bad).....both supporting each other...(would u beleive that)
 
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saffer said:
Oh no..kallis and prince new to the crease batting together . Expect all scoring to stop and pressure to come right on top of south africa . Come on boys...250 is the magic number...!!
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ttime to go offline...u just lost kallis!
 
now kallis gone....huge breakthrough. Play positve south africa . I said all along the biggets mistake is to play defensively against the spinners .
 
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Blitzkrieg said:
well it is some random in aus whose sulking!!

on a serious note...kaif hasnt played int cricket for some time....and on this pitch they needed someone wo could bowl and bat...and yuvraj offers both!

P.S-kaif hasnt been scoring mountain of runs!! his average is in high 40's which lower then katich's which is in 70's(which u said dun deserve a place)
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I was given the impression by Indian posters here that he had been scorily very heavily in the domestic comp. But he was just an example, what about Gambhir, Roshit Sharma, Tiwary? I am sure there are others out there.

Don't understand how you can be remotely fair to your batsmen to pick someone who averaged about 5 for the entire 2 month tour of Australia - is that the 7th best Test batsman in India at the moment?

Katich actually does deserve a place but he is roundly hated by the Aussie posters (including me but OZGOD hates him more) so will never get the credit for his average.
 
Random Aussie said:
I was given the impression by Indian posters here that he had been scorily very heavily in the domestic comp. But he was just an example, what about Gambhir, Roshit Sharma, Tiwary? I am sure there are others out there.

Don't understand how you can be remotely fair to your batsmen to pick someone who averaged about 5 for the entire 2 month tour of Australia - is that the 7th best Test batsman in India at the moment?

Katich actually does deserve a place but he is roundly hated by the Aussie posters (including me but OZGOD hates him more) so will never get the credit for his average.
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there are many u are right!! but on this given day the choice was between kaif and yuvraj cause others are not even in the squad!! he played only 2 tests any one can have bad days......neither ponting nor gilchrist had good series witht he bat againt india....ponting saved his skin with last match century in adelaide.....u cant judge a plyer just because of one series...and especially the guys who have been around for like 5 to 6 years and performing consistently!
 
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Big session this for India. 1 more wicket and I'd have to say that they're on top. Pretty even at the moment.
 
Blitzkrieg said:
there are many u are right!! but on this given day the choice was between kaif and yuvraj cause others are not even in the squad!! he played only 2 tests any one can have bad days......neither ponting nor gilchrist had good series witht he bat againt india....ponting saved his skin with last match century in adelaide.....u cant judge a plyer just because of one series...and especially the guys who have been around for like 5 to 6 years and performing consistently!
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unless the guy being judged is called yuvraj singh and Almighty God random aussie is judging him!!! :D :D
 
Big session this for India. 1 more wicket and I'd have to say that they're on top. Pretty even at the moment.
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Nope . S.A still just on top even if they lost another wicket . 200 would be a par score on this track . And it's not going to get any easier to bat on .
 
And a huge session to follow post-tea. Wicket less and a 100 odd runs would put S.A in the driving seat. 85-100 runs with the fall of 4 wickets or so and India are on top.
 
good session for the indians here.....they need to make sure of this that all hardwork they put in this session dun go waste in the next one....
 
saffer said:
Nope . S.A still just on top even if they lost another wicket . 200 would be a par score on this track . And it's not going to get any easier to bat on .
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for once u are right....batting last would not be easy here.....
 
saffer said:
Nope . S.A still just on top even if they lost another wicket . 200 would be a par score on this track . And it's not going to get any easier to bat on .
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It's not that bad to bat on. I didn't see the smith and kallis dismissals so I can't comment, but Mckenzie threw his wicket away, and Amla pretty much missed a straight one. No devils in those dismissals.
 
Sheikh said:
It's not that bad to bat on. I didn't see the smith and kallis dismissals so I can't comment, but Mckenzie threw his wicket away, and Amla pretty much missed a straight one. No devils in those dismissals.
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kaliis was a touch unlucky...but the ball that dismissed smith really bounced n turned sharply!
 
bhajji bowling a very tight over to prince after tea to prince....he nearly fell for it!
 
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for once u are right....batting last would not be easy here.....
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I ndia have to bat last...if they want to win this they need a 100 or something...keep that into account..
 
So far though it hasnt done too much for the faster bowlers and south africa only have the one spinner...so that does go a little in their favor .
 
Blitzkrieg said:
kaliis was a touch unlucky...but the ball that dismissed smith really bounced n turned sharply!
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Really? I just saw it and while the ball did bounce a bit, it pretty much went straight on. Smith made the mistake of pushing at the ball with hard hands; that's why it popped up to the man close in.
 
The S.A tail wont last here . It's down to the next two partnerships for south africa to try and get that score up to around 250 if possible .
 
saffer said:
The S.A tail wont last here . It's down to the next two partnerships for south africa to try and get that score up to around 250 if possible .
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Prince is due a score and A.B is full of confidence; 350 is still on.
 
Yeah..this pitch really not looking good for the fast bowlers.....hmmmm.....my confidence is slowly going away here .....hopefully for S.a sake it will start some uneven bounce .
 
These two just starting to stabalise now....another 20 or 30 runs from them would be gold .
 
saffer said:
350 ???!!!!

i hope you are right . Can't see it though .
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It's simple; these two have to put on another 60-70 odd taking them to about 260-5. Boucher walks in and puts on 40 for the next wicket: 300-6...and the last 4 wickets add 50 to the total= 350!
 
dodgy looking action by bhaji there ...nice shot for devilliers anyway for 4 .
 
intense stuff...i'll breath easier if they get it to 250 (without loss or even for 5 or 6 .)
 
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