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South Africa win the 2019 Rugby World Cup (England 12-32 South Africa)

Which side will win the 2019 Rugby World Cup?


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SA's WC.

England played their Final last week.

Disappointing we didn't play better against England, we can beat SA.
 
Brilliant try S Africa.

25-12.

Looks like it's all over for England.
 
Kolbie wins the WC for SA.

Northern Hemisphere dominance amiright? :))

Happy for the SA's, congrats boys.

We didn't win, but at least a Southern Hemisphere team did.
 
This turning out to be a thumping [MENTION=46929]shaz619[/MENTION] [MENTION=131867]London_Lahori[/MENTION]
 
England 0/2 in WC Finals this year ;-)
 
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That was some performance by South Africa.

Brilliant stuff and deserving champions.
 
England were spent from last week. Everyone thought they were going to waltz past SA this week after their performance against the ABs, but a lot of energy and intensity was spent for that game, it's really difficult to physically back up after a performance like that.

This is why I thought SA would win, even though England dominated us and we didn't have too much difficulty against SA earlier.
 
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FT: England 12-32 South Africa

South Africa win third World Cup with emphatic victory in Yokohama

Mapimpi and Kolbe second-half tries sealed triumph

England struggled against dominant South Africa pack
 
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">PREDICTION: The Springboks are a great team, physically massive & will come at England like steam trains. But England are the better side, with the best coach in Eddie Jones & a brilliant inspirational captain in Owen ‘Smirker’ Farrell, & will win the World Cup. <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/ENGvRSA?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#ENGvRSA</a> <a href="https://t.co/VVPtrxokFE">pic.twitter.com/VVPtrxokFE</a></p>— Piers Morgan (@piersmorgan) <a href="https://twitter.com/piersmorgan/status/1190551861868281862?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">November 2, 2019</a></blockquote>
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Sorry English fans, Piers deserves it :))
 
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">You know what? I am absolutely over the moon for Siya Kolisi.<br><br>A transformative figure in sport who becomes an immortal in South Africa.<br><br>The first black Springbok captain in a sport still bearing the scars of division.<br><br>Well done. Well bloody done.<a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/SouthAfrica?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#SouthAfrica</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/RWCFinal?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#RWCFinal</a> <a href="https://t.co/KLai9nL69L">pic.twitter.com/KLai9nL69L</a></p>— Richard Chambers (@newschambers) <a href="https://twitter.com/newschambers/status/1190584119908077568?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">November 2, 2019</a></blockquote>
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SA totally outplayed England with their physicality and intent. deserved winners.
 
2019 Rugby World Cup final
England: (6) 12
Pen: Farrell 4
South Africa: (12) 32
Try: Mapimpi, Kolbe Con: Pollard 2 Pen: Pollard 6
South Africa broke English hearts with a ruthless display of power rugby to seize their third Rugby World Cup in devastating fashion.

Twenty two points from the boot of nerveless fly-half Handre Pollard and second-half tries from wingers Makazole Mapimpi and Cheslin Kolbe ground England into the Yokohama dirt on a horrible night for Eddie Jones's men.

England had trailed 12-6 at the interval after taking a hammering in the scrum and making a series of handling errors.

And despite four penalties from captain Owen Farrell they never looked like closing that gap as the Springboks produced an outstanding display to match those of 1995 in Johannesburg and 2007 in Paris.

Those were iconic moments for a nation besotted with rugby and when Siya Kolisi lifted the William Webb Ellis trophy aloft as the first black man to captain the Springboks they will have the final part of a triptych that will endure forever in the country's collective memory.

For England it was a chastening end to a campaign that had promised to end the 16-year wait for the World Cup glory.

They were out-muscled, out-run and out-thought by a team transformed by the leadership of skipper Kolisi and the coaching of Rassie Erasmus.

Never before has a team beaten in the group stages gone on to win the trophy, but this is a triumph to match that of the teams of Francois Pienaar and John Smit with a wider story that perhaps surpasses both.

England, so quick out of the blocks in their semi-final win over the All Blacks, were rocked in the opening exchanges as prop Kyle Sinckler was knocked out in an accidental collision and forced to leave the field before touching the ball.

South Africa took that momentum and through a Pollard Garryowen-and-gather went deep into the English 22 before Willie le Roux knocked on as he carved an outside line down the right.

England were rattled, throwing loose passes, Farrell isolated as he tried to mop up one from Billy Vunipola and Pollard banging over the resulting penalty for 3-0.

The huge Springbok pack was making a mess of the English scrum and disrupting their line-out, but when the men in white made their first series of forays they won a breakdown penalty and Farrell levelled things up.

Now it was the Springboks forced into changes, hooker Mbongeni Mbonambi off with concussion and lock Lood de Jager appearing to dislocate a shoulder.

Yet England knocked on at the restart, had their scrum splintered and were behind again as Pollard slotted the penalty from the angle.

Back they came. The forwards hammered away at the South African line after driving a line-out on the 22, Courtney Lawes and replacement Dan Cole both going close until Duane Vermeulen infringed and Farrell kicked the penalty for 6-6.

The vast English support in the stands found their voice but the mistakes kept coming.

Billy Vunipola was penalised for holding on and Pollard landed a beauty from 40m, and then Elliot Daly knocked on from Lukhanyo Am's kick ahead, the scrum was mangled again and Pollard struck again from in front of the posts.

It was a horrible half from Eddie Jones' men, that 12-6 half-time deficit the biggest they had faced in the entire tournament.

South Africa coach Erasmus threw replacement props Steven Kitshoff and Vincent Koch on just after the break and at their very first scrum they mangled England again.

Pollard drilled over a beauty from just over halfway and at 15-6 England were staring into the abyss.

The South African power was stopping their big runners dead and killing England at the breakdown and Jones rolled the dice, throwing Joe Marler into the front row and Henry Slade in at outside centre as Farrell took Ford's place at fly-half.

It initially appeared to work. England blew the Springbok scrum apart, Farrell lined up the penalty and it was a six-point game.

Now Curry got to work, snaffling a breakdown penalty to give Farrell another shot, this time from 45m out wide, only for the kick to drift just wide of the right-hand post.

What could have been 15-12 was suddenly 18-9 as South Africa set up a maul in midfield and England were caught offside for a penalty that Pollard was never going to miss.

England had 22 minutes to save their World Cup and grabbed a lifeline from Farrell's fourth penalty after Vermeulen held on from the restart.

Luke Cowan-Dickie and Mark Wilson came on for Jamie George and Sam Underhill but with 14 minutes to go the killer blow came.

South Africa went left down the blindside, Mapimpi kicked on and Am gathered before finding the winger on his outside shoulder for the first try the Springboks had scored in three World Cup finals.

Pollard's conversion from in front made it 25-12 and the stands were alive with green-shirted noise.

And when the diminutive Kolbe stepped and accelerated through an exhausted rearguard in the final moments the Springboks could kick-start a Japanese party that will sweep through their homeland.

Man of the match - Handre Pollard (South Africa)

'One day you're the best, the next a team knocks you off'
England head coach Eddie Jones speaking to BBC Radio 5 Live: "We just couldn't get on the front foot. We were dominated in the scrum particularly in the first 50 minutes. When you're in a tight, penalty-driven game, it's difficult to get any sort of advantage.

"We needed to fix up the scrum, little things around the line-out, then get a bit more accurate in how we attacked. We did that for a while, got ourselves back into the game, but in the end we had to force the game and gave away a couple of tries.

"They were too good for us at the breakdown today. That's the great thing about rugby, one day you're the best team in the world and the next a team knocks you off."

South Africa coach Rassie Erasmus: "It's weird, I didn't think two years ago we could realistically do it, but six months ago began to and four weeks ago I really did. I am so proud of the players and my country. We stand together, we really believed it and I am proud to be South African.

"The country have gone through some bad times, and we have over the last two years but our challenge is to make South African rugby strong for the next six or seven years.

"I will make this my mission to make this a springboard to take it the right way."

The stats - Springboks score first tries in a final

South Africa have lifted the Webb Ellis Cup on three occasions, no side has won the Rugby World Cup more often (level with New Zealand).

South Africa are the only side to have a 100% win rate in World Cup finals, winning on each of their three appearances at this stage.

South Africa's 20-point victory is the joint second biggest in a final, after Australia's 23-point win against France in 1999. New Zealand also won by 20 points in 1987.

The Springboks scored two tries against England, the first time they'd ever crossed for a try in a final, they are yet to concede a try at this stage.

England have lost the Rugby World Cup final on three occasions, no side has lost at this stage more often (level with France).

Owen Farrell scored 12 points in this match, taking him past 100 points in the Rugby World Cup, the second player to reach that milestone for England in the tournament after Jonny Wilkinson (277).

Billy Vunipola made 19 carries against South Africa, the most in the match and the most by any player in a World Cup final, surpassing Israel Folau's tally of 16 in 2015.

Maro Itoje made 16 tackles against South Africa, the joint second most in a final behind Richie McCaw (18 in 2011) and level with Jonny Wilkinson (16 in 2003).

Makazole Mapimpi scored his 14th try in 14 Tests for South Africa, including six tries in six games at this year's World Cup.

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The Boks just dominated the England team, like England did to the AB last week. They just seemed possessed and as the game went on, England just panicked.
 
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Very good World Cup for England, my highlight was whipping New Zealand and tearing them a new one :afridi NZ will forever be our servants, deserve to get smashed lmao favourites haha

Congrats to SA, their Rugby team is my fav after England because of the past history and association with Mandela in the 90s
 
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If you are seeing this, congrats bro!
 
You walk out in a Springbok jersey as a player and you feel history on your back and by your side.

You stand as South Africa's captain in a World Cup final and the weight is greater across your shoulders and the ghosts crowd in all around.

Francois Pienaar hoisting the Webb Ellis Cup at Ellis Park in 1995, Nelson Mandela alongside him in his own green number six jersey, happy like a kid who has just scored his first try. John Smit at the Stade de France in Paris 12 years on, left hand around the old gold pot, right hand linked with Mandela's successor Thabo Mbeki.

Twelve years more have passed. Now it is the turn of Siya Kolisi to walk that path. The first black man to captain the Springboks, a kid from nowhere who hopes to go where none have gone before.

Rugby matters in many places around the world, but only in South Africa can it change the nation around it. Captains and presidents, politics and power, new dreams and old scars.

"It was iconic when Francois lifted the World Cup with Madiba, and it was amazing to be able to do it myself with Thabo," says Smit.

"But if Siya touches that trophy on Saturday... I tell you, it will be a far greater moment than 1995. Far greater. It would change the trajectory of our country."

That Kolisi has made it this far is a story of stoicism and self-belief. Born to teenage parents in the poor township of Zwide, just outside Port Elizabeth on the Eastern Cape, he was brought up by his grandmother, who cleaned kitchens to make ends meet.

Bed was a pile of cushions on the living-room floor. Rugby was on dirt fields. When he went to his first provincial trials he played in boxer shorts, because he had no other kit.

His father Fezakel was a centre, his grandfather a player of pace too. Aged 12, the young Kolisi was spotted by Andrew Hayidakis, a coach at the exclusive private school Grey, and offered a full scholarship.

When you are from Zwide you step into this other world when the chance comes, but you never leave your old life behind. Kolisi's mother died when he was 15, his grandmother shortly afterwards. When Smit's team was beating England in that World Cup final of 2007, the 16-year-old Kolisi was watching it in a township tavern because there was no television at home.

South Africa beat England 15-6 in the 2007 World Cup in Paris
"His story is unique," Hanyani Shimange, former Springboks prop, told BBC Radio 5 Live's Rugby Union Weekly podcast.

"Previous generations of black rugby players were not given the same opportunities, purely because of South Africa's laws. He's living the dream of people who weren't given the same opportunities as him.

"He's grabbed those opportunities. He's a good man, a humble individual.

"He's got a lot of time for people, probably too much time in some instances. But he's the same Siya he was six years ago. He loves rugby, and the team loves him."

Kolisi began at school as a small but mobile flanker, good with the ball in hand, learning to be smarter than the stronger kids around him. When a growth spurt kicked in and he got big there was power to go with the finesse.

As a loose forward he is a significant asset to a Springbok team that at this World Cup has battled through to the final rather than dazzled. Saturday will bring his 50th cap, and his 20th as captain. His impact is far greater than simply what he does on the pitch because of all that has come before.

"I do not care how the Springboks team does. It is not a reflection of the nation. It is not our team. I support the All Blacks instead. We don't support the national team, because it is a white South African team. It is not a true South African team."

That was Zola Ntlokoma, secretary of Soweto Rugby Club, talking to me before England played South Africa at Twickenham five years ago. It was not an uncommon view, because for all the iconography and sweet symmetry of 1995, its wider effect quickly leached away.

Integration of black players crawled along rather than accelerated. The World Cup win gave the impression that little more needed doing, and so little was.

When the Springboks triumphed in Johannesburg 24 years ago there was just one black player, Chester Williams, in the starting XV. By the time of their second World Cup win in 2007, there were still only two.

In some corners of South African life, the story of 1995 feels old and frayed. When Williams wrote his autobiography he accused fellow winger James Small of using racially abusive language towards him in a domestic cup match after that World Cup win. Small, who said he had "no independent recollection of the incident", in turn felt an outsider even in victory because his native tongue was English rather than Afrikaans.

Small - often angry at the world, brilliant at his best, the man who helped keep Jonah Lomu tryless in that final - died of a heart attack aged 50 in June this year. Williams went the same way last month aged 49, the fourth player from that storied team - after flanker Ruben Kruger and virtuoso scrum-half Joost van der Westhuizen - to go at an untimely age.

Kolisi stands as a critical link between the past and future. He was born on 16 June 1991, one day before the repeal of apartheid - brutal laws that enforced discrimination against black people in every aspect of their lives. Separate land. Separate public transport. Separate schools.

Kolisi was there at Small's funeral. Williams' image was on the shirts his team wore for their World Cup opener against the All Blacks. In Kolisi's team, the legacy of that old generation is tangible.

In the starting XV that beat Wales in Sunday's semi-final there were six black players: wingers S'busiso Nkosi and Makazole Mapimpi, centre Lukhanyo Am, prop Tendai Mtawarira, hooker Bongi Mbonambi, and Kolisi. Of Rassie Erasmus's squad of 31, 11 are black.

The lesson of 1995 was that transformation is more complicated than a single iconic image. The challenge that lies for the next group of players and administrators will be to create a wider pathway from undernourished grassroots to the elite.

The image of Mandela handing the Rugby World Cup to Pienaar - an iconic image of South African sport
Mandela handing the Rugby World Cup to Pienaar in 1995 - an iconic image of South African sport
Picking up occasional gems has worked. Kolisi made the jump. Mapimpi is also from the Eastern Cape, and did not go through the private school system. He still made it. There are other black kids, those who don't get the scholarships or find the eyes of a roving talent scout, who are still slipping through the net.

"If Mapimpi hadn't been in an area where rugby is strong and he was given the chance to play and be signed by other teams, the chances are we would never have seen him," says Shimange.

"It would have taken someone to go and scout him and spot the talent in him and then give him the chance to perform at the highest level.

"But we had generations of people who couldn't play for the Springboks, who weren't allowed to watch the Springboks, and now you have Siya running out there with his 15 men.

"Even the thought is incredible. It's why the most important person for the country for those 80 minutes on Saturday is going to be Siya Kolisi."

Back in Zwide, preparations are ongoing for a weekend of World Cup parties. The tavern where the teenage Kolisi watched his first final will be open once again. The skipper is only 28, but already he is changing his old home forever.

"During the apartheid time, we could never look forward to a moment like this, because of our colour," says Freddie Makoki, president of Zwide United rugby club, who played with Kolisi's father and grandfather and watched the young Siya grow.

"We had so many players who could have captained the Springboks, but because of their colour they couldn't.

"Sport can bring people together in this country. There are places you can't walk at night, because of criminals. Sport is the only vehicle that can change that. If you take those boys and put them in sport it can change them and it can change our society.

"Siya has been an incredible role model for children here. Whenever he comes to visit you'll see the youngsters coming out to see him. Everyone in the townships wants to be closer to him.

"He is a son of our soil. If you could have seen how full the taverns were for the semi-final you would not believe it. All of these people are now supporting the Springboks.

"It makes me so proud to see him in the Springbok jersey, to see the crowds at the game, calling out 'Siya! Siya!'

"You can see it in the faces of the people of this country how much it meant to have Siya as captain. He is a true hero of modern South Africa."

Kolisi's father is flying out to Japan to watch the biggest game of his son's life. It is his first trip overseas.

So too is the country's president. Cyril Ramaphosa called Kolisi on FaceTime after the win over Wales. Now he is coming in person. Captains and presidents, politics and power.

"Siya has more responsibility than I did or Francois did because he represents more people," says Smit, who will also be in the Yokohama stadium, this time for SuperSport TV.

"Thanks to Madiba, Springbok rugby has been used almost in the opposite way to how it was used in the apartheid era. It's a team that has been able to bring people together. It's grown the country through its ability to win.

"That's the hard thing to explain to people outside South Africa - what a Springbok win in a World Cup has done in the past for unification, and us continuing on this road to democracy and a new pathway.

"That's how important this is. Siya's story about where he's come from shows how far the country has come."

And so Kolisi carries that weight on his shoulders. Dreams and messy pasts, old heroes and deep-rooted struggles.

Only a game, but so much more too. Ghosts all around him, a new future ahead.

"I will be wearing my Springbok jersey," says 68-year-old Makoki, whose own career in the game was stunted by apartheid, who watched local heroes rise and fall short, who continues to nurse the sport in Zwide township.

"I'll be thinking about going to OR Tambo airport when they come back with that trophy. If I can be one of those people there to welcome them back I will be truly happy.

"When the Springboks won that World Cup in 1995, it brought South Africa together. But this would be more, because we have a lot of players who are knocking at the Springbok door. We'd have a lot more black players playing rugby again.

"I'm telling you! It will be more, it will be more.

"A black president and black captain, from a small town on the Eastern Cape. I'm telling you - that can save our country."

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Great win. This is the first time South Africa won the world cup with a Black leader. Rugby is no longer just a white sport.
 
CRICKET SOUTH AFRICA (CSA) today congratulated the South African Rugby Union (SARU), the Springboks and all the players and team support staff on their magnificent achievement in winning the Rugby World Cup for the third time, thus equalling the record of their great rivals, the New Zealand All Blacks.

“This is a victory that has a significance that goes far beyond the winning of a rugby match,” commented CSA Chief Executive Thabang Moroe. “In the words of our beloved founding president, Nelson Mandela, ‘sport has the ability to inspire and unite people in a way that little else does. It has the power to overcome old divisions and create the bond of common inspirations’.

“This is truly a moment for our nation to enjoy and make us all strive harder to make our country a better place.

“Our sincerest congratulations go to captain Siya Kolisi, head coach Rassie Erasmus and all involved in making this a truly memorable day for South Africa and all its people,” conclude Mr. Moroe.
 
Very good World Cup for England, my highlight was whipping New Zealand and tearing them a new one :afridi NZ will forever be our servants, deserve to get smashed lmao favourites haha

Congrats to SA, their Rugby team is my fav after England because of the past history and association with Mandela in the 90s

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Played SA. The best ever England running and passing team smothered by ferocious tackling.

Great win. This is the first time South Africa won the world cup with a Black leader. Rugby is no longer just a white sport.

A black man scored two tries for SA in the 1995 final.
 
Very good World Cup for England, my highlight was whipping New Zealand and tearing them a new one :afridi NZ will forever be our servants, deserve to get smashed lmao favourites haha

Congrats to SA, their Rugby team is my fav after England because of the past history and association with Mandela in the 90s
"Destroyed" us last week by beating us by 12 points, then went onto to lose the Final by a record margin :shakib

That's 2 Finals this year you couldn't win :yk
 
The Boks just dominated the England team, like England did to the AB last week. They just seemed possessed and as the game went on, England just panicked.
SA won by a record margin, while England dominated us they only managed to beat us by 12 points (4 penalties) and completely screwed themselves for the Final. They had nothing left for the Final and it showed. A WC is not a 100m dash, it's a marathon. England were easy pickings for SA after they emptied their tank against us.

In the end they couldn't get themselves up for a Final after last week - that says it all about how much they used up against us. Good for them to making a Final, but no one remembers who comes second.
 
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SA have never been runners up lol thats like being anti-CSA lol,

Congratulations to Saffers ..
 
SA won by a record margin, while England dominated us they only managed to beat us by 12 points (4 penalties) and completely screwed themselves for the Final. They had nothing left for the Final and it showed. A WC is not a 100m dash, it's a marathon. England were easy pickings for SA after they emptied their tank against us.

In the end they couldn't get themselves up for a Final after last week - that says it all about how much they used up against us. Good for them to making a Final, but no one remembers who comes second.

I'm pretty sure the runner ups get a silver medal and get a lot more in prize money.
 
SA won by a record margin, while England dominated us they only managed to beat us by 12 points (4 penalties) and completely screwed themselves for the Final. They had nothing left for the Final and it showed. A WC is not a 100m dash, it's a marathon. England were easy pickings for SA after they emptied their tank against us.

In the end they couldn't get themselves up for a Final after last week - that says it all about how much they used up against us. Good for them to making a Final, but no one remembers who comes second.

I think some teams style of play is better suited to playing certain teams. For example I have no doubt the AB would have beaten the Boks today, the scrums would have been even, the line outs would have been the AB and the backs would have def given the edge to the AB. Whereas the Boks totally dominated the English pack when the English pack couldn't get out of 2nd gear, and that's where you are right about England looking short of energy.
 
Wow, I didn't know this thread existed.
[MENTION=132954]Aman[/MENTION], not NZ's year, hey? :P
 
Played SA. The best ever England running and passing team smothered by ferocious tackling.



A black man scored two tries for SA in the 1995 final.

There were no tries scored in the 1995 final :) Just a bunch of kicks.

I'm not sure why everyone keeps bringing race into such a glorious event. This isn't' a white vs black sport, and apartheid is long gone. Let's not forget we dropped to 7th in the rankings after a disastrous quota coach appointment, only for Rassie Erasmus to turn things around in 18 months to win a World Cup. Proper, intelligent coaching plays such a huge role in rugby.
 
Heavy metal thunder on the pitch, the echoes of history off it. This was a South Africa World Cup win that began with a stumble seven weeks ago and ended with a noise that will roll across the oceans from Yokohama to the cities and townships of a very different continent.

England came looking for a fresh peak and never got within striking distance of the summit. The Springboks arrived with a rich past and will leave with new heroes and maybe a greater prize still.

There have been totemic South African captains before and there have been two who have also won the World Cup. But as Siya Kolisi, the first black skipper in the country's history, lifted the Webb Ellis trophy into the clear evening sky, golden ticker-tape streaming down behind him, if felt like something changing forever.

When Nelson Mandela celebrated with Francois Pienaar at Ellis Park in Johannesburg in 1995 there was one black player in the Springbok team. When John Smit did the same, arm in arm with Thabo Mbeki in Paris in 2007, there were two.

This was a moment and an image that more truly represents the balance and nuances of the complicated nation behind it than even those iconic triumphs in its wake. In the team's leader is a story to inspire far beyond a rugby pitch and podium.

A kid from the townships who was born with nothing, whose parents were too young and too poor to raise him and so entrusted him to his grandmother. A rugby obsessive who played without kit, whose mother died when he was 15 and whose grandmother died in his arms a few months later.

The pressure of World Cup finals can do strange things to hardened players. England walked out on Saturday night confident and relaxed and left it bemused and broken.

The Springboks felt it too but maybe they felt something else on top. You watched how Kolisi and his team-mates went at this game and there was an energy and relentlessness that comes from a deep source.

"In South Africa pressure is not having a job," said coach Rassie Erasmus afterwards. "It is one of your friends being murdered.

"Rugby shouldn't be something that creates pressure on you. Rugby brings hope.

"We've got the privilege to bring people hope. Hope is when you play well and people watch you on Saturday, have a nice barbecue and watch the game and feel good after.

"No matter your political views, for those 80 minutes you agree. That's not our responsibility, that's our privilege. The moment you see that, it becomes a hell of a privilege."

"Amazing!": South Africa rugby fans go wild at World Cup win
It was Erasmus who made Kolisi his captain and Erasmus who took over a team, 618 days ago, that was unsure of its rugby identity as well as its cultural weight.

He brought back some of the old traditions and married them with a new outlook: we will be rooted in the past but we will look to the future. Experienced stars recalled from overseas, younger players given not just the chance to play but the chance to grow.

At the heart of this utterly comprehensive win were timeless fundamentals of the game. If your scrum is going backwards you need miracles to win games. All sides make errors but if you compound them you will struggle to escape. Slow ball means stultified attack.

England were battered. It went wrong within 30 seconds when they conceded their first breakdown penalty and it continued to go wrong at pace even as you waited for them to do the simple things to put it right.

Kyle Sinckler gone with concussion before three minutes were up. Wild passes thrown behind runners. Restarts knocked on, kicks sent straight to touch.

All the time the scrum kept splintering and referee Jerome Garces kept blowing his whistle. A strange collective panic, an absence of alternative strategies even as the original one was exposed as flawed.

"I don't know why we didn't play well today," said a shell-shocked Eddie Jones in the aftermath.

"You can have the most investigative debrief of your game and you still don't know. It just happens sometimes. We'll be kicking stones for four years. And it's hard to kick stones for four years."

Only twice did England threaten, once when they hammered away at the Springbok line at 6-3 down only to come away with just a penalty, and again briefly in the second half when Owen Farrell had a long-range penalty to bring it back to 15-12.

In truth they never came close. The week before against the All Blacks five or six players had produced their finest displays in a white jersey. In a game that mattered more there were the same number or more who dropped significantly below where they had been all tournament, and it is there that the regret will linger.

When South Africa beat the same opponents in the final of 2007 it felt like the victory for England was even reaching the last two. Here England promised so much more.

There were nine survivors in the starting XV on Saturday who had been part of the disastrous World Cup campaign four years ago, when they failed to even escape the group stages. Now the knock-out stages have delivered a blow that is arguably crueller still.

When the final whistle went England players were strewn all over the Yokohama turf. It was a poignant image but it could only be a sub-plot to what else you could see all around.

Pienaar dancing in the crowd, current South African president Cyril Ramaphosa in his own dark green Springbok jersey. Smit grinning pitch-side.

Kolisi 'grateful' for South Africa unity
And on a large flat podium in the centre of the field, Kolisi - hoisting the graceful little gold trophy, mouthing silent incantations into the darkness above.

"All I want to do is to inspire my kids and every other kid in South Africa," he would say later, pot still by his side.

"I never dreamed of a day like this at all. When I was a kid all I was thinking about was getting my next meal.

"A lot of us in South Africa just need an opportunity. There are so many untold stories. I'm hoping that we have just given people a bit of hope to pull together as a country to make it better."

https://www.bbc.com/sport/rugby-union/50275155
 
Wow, I didn't know this thread existed.
[MENTION=132954]Aman[/MENTION], not NZ's year, hey? :P
I'm happy with the world cup staying in the Southern hemisphere and England losing :)

Would have never heard the end of it if they had won, you know how their media and fans are. Their media was already declaring England World Champions and the new force of rugby after their win over the ABs. That win was supposed to usher in a new era for them and the ABs time was up :facepalm:

So relieved you guys won, avoided all that drivel.
 
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I'm happy with the world cup staying in the Southern hemisphere and England losing :)

Would have never heard the end of it if they had won, you know how their media and fans are. Their media was already declaring England World Champions and the new force of rugby after their win over the ABs. That win was supposed to usher in a new era for them and the ABs time was up :facepalm:

So relieved you guys won, avoided all that drivel.

Too true. I still can't believe we won. I'm not sure how closely you follow rugby, but I remember you guys spanking us 57 - 0 not that long ago. The lowest of lows. To turn things around in such a short period is remarkable. The best part is, Rassie isn't even milking it for all it's worth. He returns to his administrative position in SARU even though I'm sure just about every team would welcome him a coach.

Anyway, would have been a cracker if we played you guys in the final.
 
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Too true. I still can't believe we won. I'm not sure how closely you follow rugby, but I remember you guys spanking us 57 - 0 not that long ago. The lowest of lows. To turn things around in such a short period is remarkable. The best part is, Rassie isn't even milking it for all it's worth. He returns to his administrative position in SARU even though I'm sure just about every team would welcome him a coach.

Anyway, would have been a cracker if we played you guys in the final.
Tbh I think you were a better match up for England than we were, they couldn't match your physicality.

SA dominated them, kicked really well, and took the opportunities that did come up to finish the game. I think the game against us was an outlier and something Edide Jones was preparing for 2.5 years, us on the other hand became complacent after pumping Ireland and just didn't match the energy or intensity of England that day, they just wanted to win that match far more than we did.

I think I remember that game, but the game itself has changed a lot since then with a lot more back and forth kicking and rush defense. It's something we haven't adjusted well too. That team that won that match played different rugby and could blitz you after 60 mins.
 
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[MENTION=134334]Ozymandiasza[/MENTION] the balance of power is still firmly in the Southern Hemisphere, :)

Did you hear all the noise coming from Europe about the Northern Hemisphere taking over after Ireland became number 1 or when England had that hot run a few years back and how they wanted to face the ABs and beat them to prove they were the best :))

SA are the best team in the world atm, the rest of us are chasing them now. Kiwis have a tremendous amount of respect for the boks, so there is no shame or hard feelings in admitting that.
 
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[MENTION=134334]Ozymandiasza[/MENTION] the balance of power is still firmly in the Southern Hemisphere, :)

Did you hear all the noise coming from Europe about the Northern Hemisphere taking over after Ireland became number 1 or when England had that hot run a few years back and how they wanted to face the ABs and beat them to prove they were the best :))

SA are the best team in the world atm, the rest of us are chasing them now. Kiwis have a tremendous amount of respect for the boks, so there is no shame or hard feelings in admitting that.

I always laugh at the NH antics. Their egos are unmatched.

Before the ENG vs NZ game, Hansen spoke about rivalry: ""It will be a mighty clash, but I think South Africa will always be our biggest rival - because of the history that comes with it," Hansen said Tuesday following the 46-14 rout of Ireland at the weekend." That's always nice to hear coming from NZ.

NZ vs SA is always the highlight of the rugby calendar with so much respect, and rivalry, between the two teams. Like I said, losing 57 - 0 to NZ is the lowest of lows. Not so much because of the loss, but the fear that it might signal the end to the rivalry.

I remember the bromance between Hansen and Heyneke Meyer. Even though they were coaching two rival teams, they use to visit each other socially, even having family dinners.
 
I'm happy with the world cup staying in the Southern hemisphere and England losing :)

Would have never heard the end of it if they had won, you know how their media and fans are. Their media was already declaring England World Champions and the new force of rugby after their win over the ABs. That win was supposed to usher in a new era for them and the ABs time was up :facepalm:

So relieved you guys won, avoided all that drivel.

One out of two World Cups this year is pretty good.
 
There were no tries scored in the 1995 final :) Just a bunch of kicks.

I'm not sure why everyone keeps bringing race into such a glorious event. This isn't' a white vs black sport, and apartheid is long gone. Let's not forget we dropped to 7th in the rankings after a disastrous quota coach appointment, only for Rassie Erasmus to turn things around in 18 months to win a World Cup. Proper, intelligent coaching plays such a huge role in rugby.

What match am I thinking of? A black player came on as a sub and scored two tries....
 
South Africa's Rugby World Cup triumph in 2019 eclipses the side's success in 1995, according to former Springbok captain Francois Pienaar.

Pienaar was presented with the William Webb Ellis Cup by president Nelson Mandela in an iconic moment in the nation's post-apartheid history.

"This is bigger," said Pienaar.

"It is a transformed team with 58 million people watching in South Africa, all races wearing green, which wouldn't have happened in my time."

In the apartheid era, during which black South Africans were barred from opportunities and public facilities by a political system of racial segregation, rugby was seen by many as the sport of the country's minority white community.

The Springboks' opportunities were limited by an international boycott of the country, with their opponents often supported by the black majority population in the few fixtures they did play.

However, their victory over England on Saturday, led by captain Siya Kolisi who grew up in poverty in a Port Elizabeth township, was greeted by scenes of jubilation across South African society.

"We had an incredible moment with Mr Mandela but just the support from the nation for this and team and captain," added Pienaar.

"In South Africa we are tender. We have had bad leadership and our country needs to rebuild.

"They play together and it makes them a successful team and that is a beautiful story for life and for a country.

"As a country, to be world champion, you all need to work together."

Kolisi praise well deserved - Habana
Former Springboks wing Bryan Habana, who helped South Africa achieve World Cup glory in 2007, paid tribute to Kolisi.

"I told people the whole week of Siya growing up," he said. "He had some support, but he didn't have great role models. He was sometimes worried about where his next meal was coming from.

"He just wanted to get through some nights knowing that he could go to school and get a jam sandwich that would see him through the day.

"Knowing Siya a little bit more personally than the average person and being part of his journey, it has been absolutely fantastic. He deserves everything that comes his way."

Nationwide victory tour planned
The World Cup-winning squad and coaches are due to arrive back in South Africa on a number of flights on Tuesday and Wednesday.

Captain Kolisi, vice-captain Handre Pollard and head coach Rassie Erasmus will be among the first batch of squad members to arrive in Johannesburg on Tuesday.

There are plans for a nationwide victory tour from Thursday to Sunday taking in Johannesburg, Pretoria, Soweto, Durban, East London, Port Elizabeth and Cape Town.

Source: https://www.bbc.com/sport/rugby-union/50281488.
 
Rugby World Cup: Scottish Rugby fined £70,000 for Mark Dodson legal threat and criticism

Scottish Rugby has been fined £70,000 and ordered to apologise to World Rugby for criticism of the threatened cancellation of their World Cup Pool A game against Japan.

The match was in doubt because of the approaching Typhoon Hagibis and SRU chief executive Mark Dodson criticised World Rugby's "rigidity".

He hinted at legal action if the match had not gone ahead.

An independent disputes committee says he "brought the game into disrepute".

"Prior to its decision, the committee gave the parties ample time to resolve the dispute," it said in a statement. "World Rugby made an open offer to the SRU, which required the SRU to apologise for its conduct and make a donation to the typhoon disaster relief fund in Japan.

"The SRU suggested alternative wording, which included a mutual expression of regret from both parties - and no apology."

Scottish Rugby has responded by saying "we will now reflect on this outcome and further consider all our options, which may include arbitration".

A cancellation of the game against the hosts would have eliminated Scotland and, after two matches scheduled for the previous day had been called off, World Rugby said it would make a decision on the day of the match about whether it could go ahead in Yokohama.

The game was played, but Scotland lost 28-21 and failed to reach the knock-out stage.

A committee, chaired by English QC Christopher Quinlan along with Australian Adam Casselden and New Zealander Nigel Hampton, concluded that Dodson's comments in a newspaper and the BBC Radio 4 Today programme "constituted misconduct".

The SRU has been "formally reprimanded", fined £70,000 and told to "issue in writing a meaningful apology to World Rugby and RWCL for its misconduct in terms approved by the committee".

"World Rugby strongly believed the comments, which suggested an unfair and disorganised treatment of all teams, to be inappropriate and ill-judged at a time when Japan was preparing for the largest and most destructive typhoon in decades," a statement said.

"The international federation believed that such comments brought the game into disrepute, not only in relation to World Rugby's handling of an extraordinary situation but also in the message that it sent to the Japanese people."

The fine will be donated to the Childfund Pass it Back programme on World Rugby's instruction, assisting with the ongoing relief effort in areas affected by Typhoon Hagibis.

https://www.bbc.com/sport/rugby-union/50332932
 
Johnny Sexton has said it will take "a long time" before Ireland can forget the agony of their Rugby World Cup exit in Japan.

Ireland bowed out at the quarter-final stage for the seventh time after a 46-14 defeat by New Zealand in Tokyo.

"It'll be hard to get over, it'll be a long time," said fly-half Sexton.

"We haven't sat down and talked about it, ultimately we didn't do the basics well enough against New Zealand, but it'll be tough to live with."

After winning the Grand Slam in 2018, Ireland struggled to hit the same heights during Joe Schmidt's final year in charge of Ireland.

A third-placed finish in the Six Nations was followed by the record 57-15 defeat by England at Twickenham in August and, while that was followed by back-to-back wins over Wales, Ireland suffered a shock World Cup Pool A loss to Japan before being humbled by the All Blacks.

While Sexton argues that Ireland have not regressed, he admits they have not evolved as much as maybe they could have after a golden 2018.

"We felt there was a lot more left in us," reflected the Leinster captain during Tuesday's European Champions Cup launch in Cardiff.

"I don't think we ever went backwards from that point, but we probably just didn't evolve as much as we should have or could have.

"We got to where we wanted to get to, which was that quarter-final. I know it was against New Zealand and not South Africa, but either of those games were going to be incredibly tough.

"We knew we had to produce our best performance to get past it and we didn't come close to it. They were excellent on the day, it's as simple as that.

"There's going to be hundreds of conspiracy theories and people wanting to give their opinion, but that's the bottom line."

'Schmidt changed the expectations of Irish rugby'
Sexton also defended Schmidt, saying that he was 'baffled' by people who claim that the coach's legacy is tainted by the defeat by the All Blacks.

Schmidt brought the curtain down on his six-year tenure as Ireland boss following the World Cup exit.

"You just think about the success he's had, he has the best win percentage by a country mile," he said.

"He's changed the expectations of Irish rugby, of Irish supporters. He did it in Leinster and did it again and if we had done what he asked of us in the quarter-final, would we have won it? We'll never know because we didn't do it.

"We should take the majority of the blame as players, but his legacy in the players' eyes will always be there."

Sexton and Leinster begin their Champions Cup campaign at home to Benetton on Saturday, 16 November before a trip to France to face Lyon on 23 November.

Source: https://www.bbc.com/sport/rugby-union/50321108.
 
Castle apologised to World Rugby over Wallabies' behaviour at World Cup

Rugby Australia chief executive Raelene Castle wrote an apology to World Rugby after the game’s governing body expressed concerns about the behaviour of some members of the Wallabies set-up, including head coach Michael Cheika, at the recent World Cup in Japan.

Castle penned the apology to World Rugby after being made aware of a number of issues within the team by the local Japanese organising committee as well as high-ranking rugby officials.

The Herald has been told by well-placed sources, some of whom have seen the letter, that Castle reached out to say sorry on behalf of RA for a build-up of incidents and public comments that had irked organisers and World Rugby.

Castle would not comment when RA was contacted by the Herald on Tuesday.

The sources told the Herald the apology was related to comments made by Cheika about World Rugby and referees during the early stages of the tournament as well as issues with Australian management during the team’s five-week stint in Japan.

Members of the Japanese organising committee who were upset about the Australians' behaviour conveyed their concerns about the attitude of some within the Wallabies group to World Rugby.

A survey of members of the organising committee during the World Cup resulted in the Wallabies being marked down as one of the most difficult teams to work with at the tournament.

Castle, wanting to get on the front foot, did her best to clear the air and make peace following a forgettable World Cup on and off the field.

Early in the campaign, Cheika expressed his bewilderment at the decision to hand Wallabies winger Reece Hodge a three-week suspension for a dangerous tackle on Fiji's Peceli Yato.

“If there is one bloke World Rugby is not listening to it's me,” Cheika said. “No matter what language I spoke to them in.

“There is a bit of us versus everyone else. You know and we know that. So we are not going to let it derail us.”

Then when Samu Kerevi was penalised against Wales for carrying the ball up and striking Rhys Patchell high, Cheika lashed out.

“When our guy makes that tackle and has the high tackle framework in his head, he gets suspended," Cheika said. "This guy doesn't think about the high tackle framework and we get penalised.

"As a rugby player, a former player, I am embarrassed."

It is unclear whether Castle spoke directly to Cheika after these comments, which did not go down well at World Rugby headquarters.

A day after telling reporters they were callous for asking about his coaching future, Cheika resigned as coach. He then said he had “pretty much no relationship” with Castle and “not much” with RA chairman Cameron Clyne.

Sources suggest Cheika's surly attitude towards World Rugby and overall "us-against-them" demeanour filtered down to other members of the Australian setup.

Days after Australia’s premature exit, the Herald revealed Castle and Cheika had been involved in a heated verbal stoush weeks earlier at the Australian Embassy in Tokyo that left Castle visibly upset.

A deteriorating relationship between the pair was there for players, staff and other onlookers to witness that evening as Castle and Cheika had to be pulled apart by former Wallaby Morgan Turinui as tensions boiled over.

World Rugby declined to comment.

https://www.smh.com.au/sport/rugby-...s-behaviour-at-world-cup-20191126-p53edh.html
 
Australia and New Zealand will not compete in the Rugby League World Cup at the end of the year due to coronavirus concerns.

The tournament is set to be held in England between October 23 and November 27 and was to include 16 teams for the first time - an increase of two from the previous two tournaments.

The news will come as a blow for organisers who thought they had fended off fears from the two associations with both Australia, the current holders, and New Zealand seen as favourites to lift the trophy.

A joint statement released by both nations cited the pandemic and "player welfare and safety concerns" and repeated calls for the competition to be postponed until 2022 as infection rates in the host nation continuing to rise.

The statement read: "The Australian Rugby League Commission (ARLC) and New Zealand Rugby League (NZRL) today informed the International Rugby League (IRL) and Rugby League World Cup (RLWC) organisers that Australia and New Zealand will not compete in a 2021 World Cup because of player welfare and safety concerns.

"The ARLC and NZRL have again requested the RLWC2021 be postponed until 2022 to minimise risk of players contracting COVID-19 and ensure the best outcome for player well-being."

NZRL chief executive Greg Peters cited "stark differences" between the management of the pandemic in the UK and Australasia and insisted it was "simply too unsafe" for the teams to take part in the tournament.

He said: "There are stark differences between how the pandemic is being managed in the UK compared to Australasia and recent developments have highlighted how quickly things can change.

"The tournament organisers have moved heaven and earth to make this work, so it is not an easy decision, but the Covid-19 situation in the UK shows no sign of improving, and it's simply too unsafe to send teams and staff over."

In response to Australia and New Zealand's announcement, World Cup 2021 organisers released a statement saying it could have "wide ranging implications".

t read: "RLWC2021 note the disappointing statement made by the ARLC and NZRL which may have wide ranging implications for international Rugby League.

"RLWC2021 were informed at very short notice and will continue discussions with all stakeholders to agree on the best way forward. A further statement will be made in due course."

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