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They fought against British and they deserves credit for that, the hindu landlords were oppressive and british suckups. I'm not justifying violence behavior of moplahs.

Did you even read properly? I clearly said that it started against british and hindu landlords, but later took a communal color and common hindus were raped and beheaded (even leftist historians like bipan chandra mention that). You want to look at the first stage and ignore the aftermath, that is your wish. i have nothing to say.
 
They fought against British and they deserves credit for that, the hindu landlords were oppressive and british suckups. I'm not justifying violence behavior of moplahs.

It started as an agrarian revolt. But why forceful conversions? Is that what you call a freedom struggle?
 
It started as an agrarian revolt. But why forceful conversions? Is that what you call a freedom struggle?

The violence against common hindus (rape, beheading, conversions) was the poor innocent moplahs reaction to oppression by the british and the hindu landlords. Didn't the secular books teach you that?
 
The violence against common hindus (rape, beheading, conversions) was the poor innocent moplahs reaction to oppression by the british and the hindu landlords. Didn't the secular books teach you that?

The only part you can study in our books is about the 60 odd moplahs who died out of suffocation. And about where the monument is located. Nothing else. Trust me.

BTW, read many of the rapists got pension for their freedom struggle.
 
The only part you can study in our books is about the 60 odd moplahs who died out of suffocation. And about where the monument is located. Nothing else. Trust me.

BTW, read many of the rapists got pension for their freedom struggle.

I know that. This is the another case of pseudo secularism. Saffronisation and pseudo secularism are twin evils, both feeding on each other, both revising history for their own benefit.
 
It started as an agrarian revolt. But why forceful conversions? Is that what you call a freedom struggle?

What was the need of suppressing your own people with help of foreign force ? why were landlords not ready to accept the legitimate demands of their own people ?


Anyway North kerala was clearly a messed up place before independence, there were many crazy idiot rulers, I'm least interested in defending them.
 
I know that. This is the another case of pseudo secularism. Saffronisation and pseudo secularism are twin evils, both feeding on each other, both revising history for their own benefit.

Yes. But sometimes I think it might be for the good, as it can only create hate. Stay ignorant and happy.
 
My experience with South Indians is like they don't have any special feelings about Pakistan. Interacting with them is just like interacting with people (non-racists) of any other countries. Most of them don't know Hindi, communicate with us in English. Someone mentioned that they don't become friends but I haven't found that. Can be befriended just like anyone else.

The ones from Punjab are very easy going. Talk to them in Punjabi and they will fall flat. Very loving tough a bit over the top sort of people.

UP guys are very humble. Always call us as 'bhai', can understand Urdu phrases better than any other. Have a very nice experience with UP people.

Dehlilites are a bit skeptical about Pakistanis but once that ice is broken, we get along with us quite well. Although they are a bit proud or like someone who likes to give orders but if you don't have any strong ego issues, you can live with them easily.

Rajistan people and rajputs are very angry guys. Gets angry very quickly. Need to have a calm head to get along with them. But they are very loyal friends once you befriend them.

Maharashtrians are very emotional. Emotional about everything. Haven't interacted with many but whoever I have interacted with, I have found him an emotional being.

Kolkatta/Andra Pradesh people are sort of strict people. Punctual about time, strict about fulfilling promises. Its nice to have them as colleagues or professionals but not very friendly tbh. Although geographically not a neighboring states but I have exactly similar experiences with them.

Haven't interacted with northern states or states east of Bengal (Assam etc).

But I have to say India is a huge country with a lot of diversity.
Once of my friends from Karnataka once told me he monthly has his medical check-up somewhere in Tamil Nadu.
I asked him is that place far away. He replied its very near. Only 6-7 hour drive. Then I realized that a place 6-7 hour drive away in India is considered 'very near' in India.

Anyways, the Indian food is mouth-watering. I am a huge Biryani-eater and there is hardly any place in Islamabad/Rwp where I haven't have tasted Biryani from. Have been to famous Biryani spots in Lahore and Karachi as well.
But the best one I ever had was from a 'Muhajir' cook, when I have been to one of my distant relatives. I can't forget that taste and yet to have tasted a Biryani as good as that.

I spent my childhood in Kamra (an airforce base) and used to have some anti-India feeling because of Kargil war (since I was living in a airforce base), but all has changed since I had interaction with Indian people. I actually befriend an Indian Punjabi guy faster than a Pakistani Punjabi. Some really memorable experiences with Indian friends which I may share later.
 
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About $22 Billion In Gold, Diamonds, Jewels Found In Indian Temple

In Southern India a story that sounds like the plot line of a Hollywood adventure is unfolding. Over the past week, on orders from the country's Supreme Court, a panel has found a treasure estimated to be worth $22 billion in the underground vaults of a Hindu temple in Trivandrum, India.

The AP reports:

Inside the Sree Padmanabhaswamy Temple, investigators were counting the staggering hoard of gold coins and statues of gods and goddesses studded with diamonds and other precious stones. Outside, small groups of armed policemen patrolled the temple grounds in the heart of the Kerala state capital, Trivandrum.
Metal detectors were hurriedly installed at temple entrances after six days of searches revealed a treasure trove of artifacts, statues and temple ornaments made of gold and embellished with jewels.
The valuables were donated to the temple by devotees over hundreds of years, and India's erstwhile royal family has been the custodian of the treasures.
The vaults had not been opened in about 150 years and the treasure spans some 500 years. India's Supreme Court ordered that the vaults of the temple be inventoried after a man filed a suit that worried about how the trust was caring for the riches.

In some ways, that's where the story gets interesting. With the find, India is in the middle of a heated discussion about what rights to afford former royalty and what should happen to riches like these that include historic pieces destined for museums. The Christian Science Monitor offers a condensed family history:

The temple is controlled by descendants of the royal family of Travancore, the former princely state of the region. It is believed the former rulers donated much of their wealth to the temple, where it lay in safe keeping for decades. Offerings by the many worshippers making pit stops there along the global trade routes probably also contributed to the treasure.
It was no stumbled-upon find, however. While the vaults have been kept under lock and key for around 150 years, the wealth has been on the public record.
Still, $22 billion (yes, billion with a "B") is a lot of money. We wondered why it wasn't put to use. The Hindu newspaper reports that the royal family ruled Travancore as "padmanabha dasasas," which means they were servants of the temple's deity. The BBC explains a bit better in between some legal history:

The Supreme Court stayed a ruling by the high court in Kerala, which ordered the state government to take over the temple and its assets from the royal trust. It also ordered the trust to hand over responsibility for the temple's security to the police.
The members of the Travancore royal family entrusted their wealth to the temple because they consider themselves to be servants of its presiding deity. The deity, Padmanabhaswamy, is considered by devotees to be an aspect of the Hindu God Vishnu in eternal sleep.
But there was a public outcry when the Maharajah attempted to retain control of the temple by citing a special law, with many arguing that the wealth belonged to the people now.
The panel appointed by the Supreme Court has opened five of the six vaults. The panel managed to open the sixth vault but found an iron wall inside it, reports the BBC. As if the story couldn't get any weirder, The Hindustan Times reports the sixth vault has a snake on the front door and quoting an unnamed royal family source, it reports that opening it "might be a bad omen."

The Guardian reports that the sixth vault has "special locks" but experts should be able to examine them and open it by Friday. The Guardian also reports that the inventory is being conducted under the watch of police, but no pictures or video of the vaults will be taken or released because it "is strictly prohibited" within a "sacred space."

Update at 9:30 a.m. ET, July 6: "India's Supreme Court Takes Steps To Protect $22 Billion Treasure."

Update at 2:43 p.m. ET. On The Value Of The Treasure:

As we said, $22 billion is an almost unimaginable number. But that is likely a conservative estimate. The Hindu reports that the panel is simple counting and weighing the valuables. "Their value, including antique value, is not being assessed," The Hindu reports.
 
Have to say South Indians have a very terrible sense of dress sense. atleast the ones who come to the US and are in IT fields mostly

no sense of fashion or how to maintain a formal look. dunno why
 
Have to say South Indians have a very terrible sense of dress sense. atleast the ones who come to the US and are in IT fields mostly

no sense of fashion or how to maintain a formal look. dunno why

Don't think the northies have a good dress sense as well. It is the usual jeans and a shirt, all round the year. When they wear oversized shorts it doesnt go well with the skinny legs.
 
Don't think the northies have a good dress sense as well. It is the usual jeans and a shirt, all round the year. When they wear oversized shorts it doesnt go well with the skinny legs.

I mean its all generalizations here from me but atleast northies (if you want to call em that) seem to know how to dress in what situations.

Some southern indians (tamils, telugus) show up in jeans, polo shirts etc for work some days. facial hair isnt groomed and hair is a mess. Basically my point is they dont mantain a professional look and a lot of poeple have commented/made fun of it in private. they are mostly in the IT sector so its not an issue as they dont have face time with clients but still..... Problem is that this would be fine if it was a blue collar job but not in a freakin bank

and it seems to be a widespread thing and not just my work building

maybe northies too but my interaction with north indians and mumbaikars was mostly in college and they were all super rich people who paid like $60k per yr in college so i wouldnt count them in a sample.
 
i guess its not so much fashion sense but just general awareness in terms of whats appropriate
 
Some southern indians (tamils, telugus) show up in jeans, polo shirts etc for work some days. facial hair isnt groomed and hair is a mess.
Have noticed that among the telugu guys. Telugu indians dominate the IT industry in the US. They just love the US, and after graduating in engineering they head for the states. There is also a temple known as "VISA temple" where they go to hoping to get a US visa.
 
Have noticed that among the telugu guys. Telugu indians dominate the IT industry in the US. They just love the US, and after graduating in engineering they head for the states. There is also a temple known as "VISA temple" where they go to hoping to get a US visa.

haha that was funny. Visa temple! Good sense of humor you have

Damn those telugus. Taking away all the H1B's!
 
Rajistan people and rajputs are very angry guys. Gets angry very quickly. Need to have a calm head to get along with them. But they are very loyal friends once you befriend them.
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Hinduism is the only thing which has bounded major parts of india for long except fringes..any other things,which can be offered as examples of unity are only the branches of the tree called hinduism..it started with hinduism and continuing though many aspects like british rule,geographical continuity etc may be quoted..personally,i find only Hinduism as a common favtor between me and a north indian....
 
Don't you fall in the quota for US graduates?

nah thats not how it works. everyone gets pooled in the same way regardless of where they graduated from. thats why its such a farce. i got the opt though which is finishing soon

also i just did undergrad so far though ppl with masters degree get some advantages (they have 20k exclusive spots but even that usually doesnt cover all masters)
 
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I wear jeans and polo/t-shirt to work too. If I do not need to interact with clients, what is the point of dressing fancy? I am not there to show off my wardrobe, I am there to work and create profit for the company.
 
I wear jeans and polo/t-shirt to work too. If I do not need to interact with clients, what is the point of dressing fancy? I am not there to show off my wardrobe, I am there to work and create profit for the company.

if they look fine its ok i guess

but problem is if you show up in wrinkled, non-ironed clothes and your hair is all over the place. pretty much basic lack of self awareness. if you are in a professional job look professional atleast.

i mean its just an opinion which ive heard from ppl. i guess as far as they are providing satisfactory support then no big deal
 
if they look fine its ok i guess

but problem is if you show up in wrinkled, non-ironed clothes and your hair is all over the place. pretty much basic lack of self awareness. if you are in a professional job look professional atleast.

i mean its just an opinion which ive heard from ppl. i guess as far as they are providing satisfactory support then no big deal

Many top software companies have stopped enforcing dress codes. At my workplace, the engineers (including me) dress very casually, whereas the consultants, product developers, and salespeople tend to wear business attire. At times, I sense that they consider themselves superior to us, just based on our appearance. But all it takes is a single glance at our respective salaries to see who the company values more.
 
Many top software companies have stopped enforcing dress codes. At my workplace, the engineers (including me) dress very casually, whereas the consultants, product developers, and salespeople tend to wear business attire. At times, I sense that they consider themselves superior to us, just based on our appearance. But all it takes is a single glance at our respective salaries to see who the company values more.
i was talking more from a banking/finance perspective. not very well versed in the hierarchy in software companies

and yeah its imaginable that software engineers will have high salaries due to high demand for them and limited supply
 
if they look fine its ok i guess

but problem is if you show up in wrinkled, non-ironed clothes and your hair is all over the place. pretty much basic lack of self awareness. if you are in a professional job look professional atleast.

i mean its just an opinion which ive heard from ppl. i guess as far as they are providing satisfactory support then no big deal

That is exaggeration!!
 
i was talking more from a banking/finance perspective. not very well versed in the hierarchy in software companies

and yeah its imaginable that software engineers will have high salaries due to high demand for them and limited supply

Are they south indians! Do u know for sure? For most pakistanis i know anybody who is not from north india or who speak a language they don't understand becomes south indian.
 
Are they south indians! Do u know for sure? For most pakistanis i know anybody who is not from north india or who speak a language they don't understand becomes south indian.

most of them looked tamil and didnt know hindi :murali

the one i talked to were from AP (i had to ask what that is apparently its the official name for deccan)
 
what do people here know about Dravid Nadu or Dravidstan?

I was reading a book about the pre independence and partition times and I came accross this for the first time. Seemed liked they were serious and were able to get some support in TN atleast. It continued till late 50s early 60 and died its own death i guess. There were only a couple of lines on it.

any opinions? did it have any widespread support? apparently opposition to hindi and north indian domination was the reason
 
what do people here know about Dravid Nadu or Dravidstan?

I was reading a book about the pre independence and partition times and I came accross this for the first time. Seemed liked they were serious and were able to get some support in TN atleast. It continued till late 50s early 60 and died its own death i guess. There were only a couple of lines on it.

any opinions? did it have any widespread support? apparently opposition to hindi and north indian domination was the reason

It never had support outside of Tamilnadu. Only Tamil politicians from Dravidar Kazhagam (and its off shoots), tried to kindle this idea of Dravidianism among Southern Indian states. Even Tamils over the years have realized the importance of being part of a united India rather than craving for an illusory amalgamation of so called Dravida Nadu. Most Tamil political parties still use the word Dravida in their party names that's where it stops. Nothing more to it.
 
what do people here know about Dravid Nadu or Dravidstan?

I was reading a book about the pre independence and partition times and I came accross this for the first time. Seemed liked they were serious and were able to get some support in TN atleast. It continued till late 50s early 60 and died its own death i guess. There were only a couple of lines on it.

any opinions? did it have any widespread support? apparently opposition to hindi and north indian domination was the reason

All the states part of Dravid Nadu(Tamil Nadu, Kerala, Telengana, Andhra Pradesh, Karnataka) hate each other lol. It was more popular when Hindi was announced as the official language and these states refused to accept that. Dravidian movement is mostly dead. I don't know about other states but for the last 50 years Tamil Nadu had been ruled by pro Darvidian parties. They are just there to rob public funds that is about it.

Imagine if it was actually a separate country ? Dravid, Kumble, Ashwin, Uthappa, Vijay, Samson, Dinesh Karthik, Azzarudin, Laxman and Stuary Binny would or would have been playing for another country. Crazy eh ?
 
Imagine if it was actually a separate country ? Dravid, Kumble, Ashwin, Uthappa, Vijay, Samson, Dinesh Karthik, Azzarudin, Laxman and Stuary Binny would or would have been playing for another country. Crazy eh ?

More competition in world cricket.

They would have had a minnow level bowling attack though
 
Madrasis are generally tolerant people who value education. Also their architecture is the best among Indians. Cuisine is good except for sweatmeats.
 
Madrasis are generally tolerant people who value education. Also their architecture is the best among Indians. Cuisine is good except for sweatmeats.

Lets agree to disagree on that front mate!! I would say Chennai is one of the most conservative and intolerant of large cities in India!! Speaking out of years of experience !!
 
Lets agree to disagree on that front mate!! I would say Chennai is one of the most conservative and intolerant of large cities in India!! Speaking out of years of experience !!

Bro, Madrasi doesnt mean just Chennai. It stands for all South Indians (which is not accurate, since there were State of Mysore, Travancore and Hyderabad too apart from Madras Province).
 
Bro, Madrasi doesnt mean just Chennai. It stands for all South Indians (which is not accurate, since there were State of Mysore, Travancore and Hyderabad too apart from Madras Province).

A little advise, South Indians dont like to be called Madrasis, they feel its derogatory.
Chennaities dont like it, To Telugu and Kannada guys its a downright insulting!
Avoid using it!
 
A little advise, South Indians dont like to be called Madrasis, they feel its derogatory.
Chennaities dont like it, To Telugu and Kannada guys its a downright insulting!
Avoid using it!

It is not derogatory, bro. It is like saying calling a a north Indian, a Hindustani is derogatory. Some may like to be called by their new narrow regional names, but there is nothing derogatory in the term Madrasi, after all Madras Presidency, followed by Madras Province has had a longer history span compared to the newly created states of Tamil Nadu, Kerala etc.
 
It is not derogatory, bro. It is like saying calling a a north Indian, a Hindustani is derogatory. Some may like to be called by their new narrow regional names, but there is nothing derogatory in the term Madrasi, after all Madras Presidency, followed by Madras Province has had a longer history span compared to the newly created states of Tamil Nadu, Kerala etc.

dude, you cant dictate what a person like to be called or what he or she doesnt!!

Try calling a Pakistani a ****, A chinese a chink!! Some terms imply prejudice even though thats not your intent, just avoid it !

PS : the word is already censored on PP!! :P
 
dude, you cant dictate what a person like to be called or what he or she doesnt!!

Try calling a Pakistani a ****, A chinese a chink!! Some terms imply prejudice even though thats not your intent, just avoid it !

Bro, I am not dictating anything. The words you mentioned are indeed racist slurs, but Madrasi is not. Madrasi is a valid term just like Hindustani (although no place called Hindustan exists on paper). Maybe some people use Mardasi out of hatred, but the term per se is not derogatory. Madras has a historical basis and is as valid as the term Dravidian. It is distortion of history if it is described as derogatory.
 
Bro, I am not dictating anything. The words you mentioned are indeed racist slurs, but Madrasi is not. Madrasi is a valid term just like Hindustani (although no place called Hindustan exists on paper). Maybe some people use Mardasi out of hatred, but the term per se is not derogatory. Madras has a historical basis and is as valid as the term Dravidian. It is distortion of history if it is described as derogatory.

the present has changed its no longer Madras, and as I said , people dont like being called so and thats what it is.
You can keep insisting on calling them that, they will simply hate you for using a term they dislike!!

Insisting on calling a group by something they themselves don't like is pretty insulting!

BTW , here is Wiki on the word Madrasi:

Madrassi or Madrasi is an ethnic nickname used for people of South India (then the Madras Presidency), mostly by people of western, central and northern parts of the Indian subcontinent. It also used to make derogatory reference to south Indian dark skin colour
 
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the present has changed its no longer Madras, and as I said , people dont like being called so and thats what it is.
You can keep insisting on calling them that, they will simply hate you for using a term they dislike!!

Insisting on calling a group by something they themselves don't like is pretty insulting!

Bro, that is like saying Bihari is a derogatory word, just because some people use Bihari word with contempt. The context defines if it is derogatory, not the word itself. Some people even use the word Indian in a derogatory way, does not make the word derogatory. I have Madrasi friends who have no problem absolutely with the term, that is why I am using it.
 
Bro, being a free thinker yourself, it is surprising that you want to avoid saying something just because some people dislike it. The Wiki quote supports my view that it is an ethnic nickname for people from that area, and is "ALSO" used by some in derogatory way. Just like the term Bihari or Indian or Hindoo or Muslim is used in a derogatory way by bigots. Does not mean we cow down and avoide using the perfectly valid terms.
 
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Bro, that is like saying Bihari is a derogatory word, just because some people use Bihari word with contempt. The context defines if it is derogatory, not the word itself. Some people even use the word Indian in a derogatory way, does not make the word derogatory. I have Madrasi friends who have no problem absolutely with the term, that is why I am using it.

If a group dont call themselves by a particular term, using that term to represent them is derogatory.

Bihari will call themselves bihari but call someone bihari Bhaiyaa and see!!
You will not find south Indians calling themselves Madrasis!!
They will call themselves Tam, Tambi, Telugu, Kannad or Diggis, Malayalis, I have never seen one person calling himself or herself Madrasi!!

Again, as I said they dont like it, your insistence on using that term is insulting.
 
If a group dont call themselves by a particular term, using that term to represent them is derogatory.

Bihari will call themselves bihari but call someone bihari Bhaiyaa and see!!
You will not find south Indians calling themselves Madrasis!!
They will call themselves Tam, Tambi, Telugu, Kannad or Diggis, Malayalis, I have never seen one person calling himself or herself Madrasi!!

Again, as I said they dont like it, your insistence on using that term is insulting.

Friend, I am using that term because in my heart I know I have only respect for Madrasis. And I will also not let some bigots who have started using this word in a bad way distort its history. Bihari is used an a derogatory word in Mumbai and Delhi, doesn't mean I will stop referring to my Bihari friends with that word. I will not let bigots win, bro.
 
Bro, being a free thinker yourself, it is surprising that you want to avoid saying something just because some people dislike it. The Wiki quote supports my view that it is an ethnic nickname for people from that area, and is "ALSO" used by some in derogatory way. Just like the term Bihari or Indian or Hindoo or Muslim is used in a derogatory way by bigots. Does not mean we cow down and avoide using the perfectly valid terms.

An ethnic nickname used by non-South Indians, read it fully!!

Again, free speech funda, Insults are free speech but I should expect to be rebuked back for that insult.
Free speech is not immunity for criticism from free speech!

Dont try to distort free speech concept to infringe on the personal rights of others!
 
Friend, I am using that term because in my heart I know I have only respect for Madrasis. And I will also not let some bigots who have started using this word in a bad way distort its history. Bihari is used an a derogatory word in Mumbai and Delhi, doesn't mean I will stop referring to my Bihari friends with that word. I will not let bigots win, bro.

Whatever your intent, I can simply ascertain that you have not met many South Indians.
Hence, your attempt is out of sheer ignorance.
 
An ethnic nickname used by non-South Indians, read it fully!!

Again, free speech funda, Insults are free speech but I should expect to be rebuked back for that insult.
Free speech is not immunity for criticism from free speech!

Dont try to distort free speech concept to infringe on the personal rights of others!

I am not talking about free speech here. I am saying just because some bigots start using a normal term in a derogatory way, we should not help them by winning. We should in fact reclaim its pure meaning.

I personally have Madrasi friends who proudly call themselves Madrasis, so I know not all Madrasis have fallen to paranoia regarding this word.
 
Whatever your intent, I can simply ascertain that you have not met many South Indians.
Hence, your attempt is out of sheer ignorance.

Bro, what if people dont like to be called a South Indians. Will we stop using it? Same with North Indians, North East Indians, etc. Some people have fallen prey to regional chauvinism doesn't mean we should give them more mileage and succumb to their wishes.
 
When they dont use it themselves, they dont enjoy it, I doubt you have any legitimate basis of keep using that term.
Certainly this insistence is not out of any respect for that particular group by disregarding what they feel about their own identity!
 
Bro, what if people dont like to be called a South Indians. Will we stop using it? Same with North Indians, North East Indians, etc. Some people have fallen prey to regional chauvinism doesn't mean we should give them more mileage and succumb to their wishes.

Thats pretty condescending argument dude!
 
When they dont use it themselves, they dont enjoy it, I doubt you have any legitimate basis of keep using that term.
Certainly this insistence is not out of any respect for that particular group by disregarding what they feel about their own identity!

Bro, no offence, but you are the one who called Madrasis living in Chennai as most intolerant people. And then you say that I am disrespecting them.
 
Bro, no offence, but you are the one who called Madrasis living in Chennai as most intolerant people. And then you say that I am disrespecting them.

Ironic isn't it!!
Not on the same level but it was very similar to Some Redneck saying," I love Niggers"
 
Brother, I am out. I only came here to post my respect for the Madrasi people and not to be called someone who disrespects them. I apologize if I offended you in any way. Bye
 
Brother, I am out. I only came here to post my respect for the Madrasi people and not to be called someone who disrespects them. I apologize if I offended you in any way. Bye

Your insistence on the word "Madrasi', tells me that your interaction with anyone closest to South India has been Idli and Dosa! :P

I dont see the point in me gettting offended here, just wanted you to be able to have better interaction with any South Indian you encounter!
 
Bro, no offence, but you are the one who called Madrasis living in Chennai as most intolerant people. And then you say that I am disrespecting them.

First of all I never called people living in Chennai as Madrasis. Second, my opinion is about the relative city cultures in India. Even though I disprove of the city life, I will avoid using derogatory terms for them.
I can disagree but I chose not to insult them.
 
As a south Indian, I'd look at anyone who calls me 'madrasi' as reeking of ignorance but not sure I'd feel insulted
 
As a south Indian, I'd look at anyone who calls me 'madrasi' as reeking of ignorance but not sure I'd feel insulted

In the British era, Madras presidency, Travancore, Mysore and Hyderabad formed South India. So calling some of the people Madrasi was not incorrect, then. However, I have read that the term was used derogatorily during the anti-Tamil movement in Maharasthra.

And those South Indians who are from places that were formerly a part of Travancore, Mysore or Hyderabad princely states, should never have been referred to as Madrasis.
 
In the British era, Madras presidency, Travancore, Mysore and Hyderabad formed South India. So calling some of the people Madrasi was not incorrect, then. However, I have read that the term was used derogatorily during the anti-Tamil movement in Maharasthra.

And those South Indians who are from places that were formerly a part of Travancore, Mysore or Hyderabad princely states, should never have been referred to as Madrasis.

This^^ [MENTION=136588]CricketCartoons[/MENTION]: The word Negro was an accepted word in the past doesn't mean that it can be used today too. Similar thing applies to the word Madrasi, albiet not to that extreme racial connotations of the word Negro!
 
This^^ [MENTION=136588]CricketCartoons[/MENTION]: The word Negro was an accepted word in the past doesn't mean that it can be used today too. Similar thing applies to the word Madrasi, albiet not to that extreme racial connotations of the word Negro!

I don't see how you can use the example of Negro. Just because Madarasi was used in a derogatory way by people in Mumbai doesn't mean this word has become an abuse. Even Bihari is used in a derogatory way in Mumbai. Anyway bro, we can agree to disagree. Respect for Madrasis.
 
I don't see how you can use the example of Negro. Just because Madarasi was used in a derogatory way by people in Mumbai doesn't mean this word has become an abuse. Even Bihari is used in a derogatory way in Mumbai. Anyway bro, we can agree to disagree. Respect for Madrasis.

By that Logic,
I never owned black slaves nor did any of my ancestors i know of!!
So I should be free to call any African black i see, ******!
I didnt do anything to the Chinese, so I should be free to call them Chinks!!

Consistency bro .. consistency in argument!! :)

PS: As I very much believe that you dont have much interactions with South Indians, avoid using the word Madrasi when you meet one, you might ruin your interaction altogether!!
 
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By that Logic,
I never owned black slaves nor did any of my ancestors i know of!!
So I should be free to call any African black i see, ******!
I didnt do anything to the Chinese, so I should be free to call them Chinks!!

Consistency bro .. consistency in argument!! :)

PS: As I very much believe that you dont have much interactions with South Indians, avoid using the word Madrasi when you meet one, you might ruin your interaction altogether!!

Bro, i said that it has no comparison with those racist words. You are again bringing old arguments. Just tell me this, should the word Bihari be avoided, because it is used by some bigots as a swear word? Madrasi was never a cuss word. It was a proper term to describe people from an area, and a few bigots should not be allowed to distort it. Anyway, let us disagree. No point you and I making the same points again and again.
 
Bro, i said that it has no comparison with those racist words. You are again bringing old arguments. Just tell me this, should the word Bihari be avoided, because it is used by some bigots as a swear word? Madrasi was never a cuss word. It was a proper term to describe people from an area, and a few bigots should not be allowed to distort it. Anyway, let us disagree. No point you and I making the same points again and again.

Biharis dont mind calling themselves Biharis, But a South Indians dont call themselves Madrasi!! Its plain and simple!
 
Biharis dont mind calling themselves Biharis, But a South Indians dont call themselves Madrasi!! Its plain and simple!

None of my Madrasi friends have objected to that word. Even here a poster said that he doesn't see it as an insult. So it is not plain and simple, bro.
 
None of my Madrasi friends have objected to that word. Even here a poster said that he doesn't see it as an insult. So it is not plain and simple, bro.

Madrasi/tamil people may not object to it.But telugu, kananada malyali may do not because of racism etc because technically they are not tamil or from madras hence. But most of the time they give up or don't bother with it.

BTW CC welcome back u were very much missed. did u get married ?
 
Madrasi/tamil people may not object to it.But telugu, kananada malyali may do not because of racism etc because technically they are not tamil or from madras hence. But most of the time they give up or don't bother with it.

BTW CC welcome back u were very much missed. did u get married ?

But anakin bro is saying it is insulting and derogatory, when at best it is irritating for those who want to be seen only as malayalis or telugus etc.

Not married :( long sad story which made me disappear... maybe when i get happiness i will share what happened.
 
Madrasi/tamil people may not object to it.But telugu, kananada malyali may do not because of racism etc because technically they are not tamil or from madras hence. But most of the time they give up or don't bother with it.

BTW CC welcome back u were very much missed. did u get married ?

its used in a very derogatory way , especially in places like Mumbai and Delhi , I will be surprised if even a Tamil does not feel insulted . its the intent which matters though , sometimes among friends it may not be an issue .
 
But anakin bro is saying it is insulting and derogatory, when at best it is irritating for those who want to be seen only as malayalis or telugus etc.

Not married :( long sad story which made me disappear... maybe when i get happiness i will share what happened.

its similar to calling a NE guy a nepali or a chinki , they wont like it . some may not object to it openly but its still wrong .
 
its used in a very derogatory way , especially in places like Mumbai and Delhi , I will be surprised if even a Tamil does not feel insulted . its the intent which matters though , sometimes among friends it may not be an issue .

Yes I know it is used in degratory way by north indians(most of them do IMO). But you can't compare it with N word. African americans were slaves south indians were not In fact compared to rest of india that region was relatively independent. What i do know is south indians don't play the victim card. They don't bother.

I am married to a telugu(have said it a million times on this forum i think) My relatives side will always say madrasi. These are educated people doctors etc and they know what is what yet they still do.
 
what do people here know about Dravid Nadu or Dravidstan?

I was reading a book about the pre independence and partition times and I came accross this for the first time. Seemed liked they were serious and were able to get some support in TN atleast. It continued till late 50s early 60 and died its own death i guess. There were only a couple of lines on it.

any opinions? did it have any widespread support? apparently opposition to hindi and north indian domination was the reason

It was genuine movement initially started by Periyar(DK party) and followed up by Annadurai and his party (DMK).It wasn't strong as the other southern states weren't really interested and after States being divided on languages the moved was severely damaged.
The last nail was when India passed the anti-sedition law and Annadurai and his party formally announced giving up the demand.

The Dravidian parties are obviously greedy but they have produced some great politicians like Annadurai,MGR. The Tamil Nadu state and its cities might not seem shiny and classy but the state entirely has been a very good contributor to India.
Anti-caste movements of Dravidian parties basically helped the other castes to come out on their own and if you notice TN fares very well in most social indicators when compared to rest of India.
 
its used in a very derogatory way , especially in places like Mumbai and Delhi , I will be surprised if even a Tamil does not feel insulted . its the intent which matters though , sometimes among friends it may not be an issue .

Mumbai and Delhi are the two most racist places in India. Just because they have distorted and abused a word, doesnt mean it should be given pan india acceptance. Madrasi is a valid word which signifies the history of most south indian states, since Madras Province included present Tamil Nadu, parts of Kerala and Karnataka and most of Andhra Pradesh.
 
Had a dossa with chai today with friends

The dossa in Karachi was so much better than the one I tried in New York honestly.

wonder which one is more authentic
 
its similar to calling a NE guy a nepali or a chinki , they wont like it . some may not object to it openly but its still wrong .

chinki is a racist term though.

nepali is also insulting in the sense that you are calling them sth they are not
 
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