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Speed Watch 2019: IPL vs PSL

Not exactly speedy, but classy with up right seam at that level, makes IPL better than other leagues:

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Great 2nd over by Thakur
 
The seam presentation and execution of basics in unparalleled in IPL
 
cricketjoshila said:
Huh?

Two hit 150ks

Couple of them hit 149ks.

And some between 140ks to 145ks.
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A 19 year old in the PSL hit better pace, an unknown hit better pace in the PSL too....the fastest in the IPL aren't even Indian.

Indian pace attack yaar.
 
Krishna, Saini and Bumrah are the fastest Indian pacers so far. IPL website is very good tbh- has lists of all the statistics.
 
barah_admi said:
A 19 year old in the PSL hit better pace, an unknown hit better pace in the PSL too....the fastest in the IPL aren't even Indian.

Indian pace attack yaar.
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Lol calm down. These are just T20's. None of your bowlers can maintain the speeds that bumrah,Shami and Ishant can maintain over a 4/5 match test series. They huff and puff to 135 by the second test.
 
barah_admi said:
A 19 year old in the PSL hit better pace, an unknown hit better pace in the PSL too....the fastest in the IPL aren't even Indian.

Indian pace attack yaar.
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Yes that's why people compare test speeds where indian bowlers eclipse pak bowlers by a long way. None of so called Pakistan speedsters maintain a good average pace in test matches
 
We have been playing medium pacers in tests rather than genuine fast bowlers, Hasnain,Rauf and Musa will be drafted into the test team in a year time from now.Since late 70's Pak have been producing genuine fast bowler continuously, lately we have been lacking them but things are changing again quickly.
 
barah_admi said:
A 19 year old in the PSL hit better pace, an unknown hit better pace in the PSL too....the fastest in the IPL aren't even Indian.

Indian pace attack yaar.
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2 19yr olds hit 149ks last year. One in u19 WC and another in IPL.

Its not IPLs fault that bowlers like Rabada Ferguson etc do not play in PSL.
 
I think being an Express fast paced bowler is not the key here. One should know how to vary the lengths and pace in order to confuse (outsync) the batsman and get a wicket. It does play an intimidating factor though but if proper control is not there ball might end over the ropes by a slight deflection of the bat or simply going over the wicket keeper.
 
cricketjoshila said:
2 19yr olds hit 149ks last year. One in u19 WC and another in IPL.

Its not IPLs fault that bowlers like Rabada Ferguson etc do not play in PSL.
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The amount of bowlers you have at disposal there should have been many close to 155 kph. So these few Indian bowlers hitting 150 is not a big deal at all.

That little NZ have a few express bowlers and that is a big deal because relatively they probably have the fastest bowlers in World.

Even SA are doing way better than India and Pakistan.
 
IAJ said:
The amount of bowlers you have at disposal there should have been many close to 155 kph. So these few Indian bowlers hitting 150 is not a big deal at all.

That little NZ have a few express bowlers and that is a big deal because relatively they probably have the fastest bowlers in World.

Even SA are doing way better than India and Pakistan.
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How many bowlers in history bowl in excess of 155ks?

In last 40-45 years whenever they talk of the best batsman in the world,there is always an Indian in there. Gavaskar in 70s,80s
Tendulkar in 90s 2000s plus Dravid in 2000s and now Kohli. Thats our cricketing culture. Add to that the spinners.

Indian cricket's focus on having express fast bowlers is hardly a decade old and we already have a number of them bowling 90mph in test matches.

Yes test matches and not 4 over spells in T20s.
 
Nikhil_cric said:
Lol calm down. These are just T20's. None of your bowlers can maintain the speeds that bumrah,Shami and Ishant can maintain over a 4/5 match test series. They huff and puff to 135 by the second test.
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Can you show me the numbers which prove that Indian bowlers maintain 150 kph over a 5 test series? I want to know the numbers of how often these bowlers you named hit those speeds.

Thanks.
 
Any opportunity to show Pakistan cricket is better than Indian cricket. I think it is stopping too low.

Two of Indian players have touched 150. So did two of Pakistan's from memory (Hassnain and Wahab.)

All Pakistani fastest bowlers bowled pretty much in the low 140s most times (Wahab, Hasnain, Haris) and so are Indian bowlers.

Real comparison would have been if someone was bowling over 145 consistently and occasionally touching 155 like Brett Lee, Akhtar etc. There is no one in world cricket doing that at the moment.

So useless comparisons between two equal set of players who aren't even great in their categories is embarrassing.

Finally, in T20s, speed isn't everything. A consistently fast 3-4 over spell in tests has tremendous value, in T20, control is even more important, so you won't see players striving that hard ball after ball.
 
cricketjoshila said:
How many bowlers in history bowl in excess of 155ks?

In last 40-45 years whenever they talk of the best batsman in the world,there is always an Indian in there. Gavaskar in 70s,80s
Tendulkar in 90s 2000s plus Dravid in 2000s and now Kohli. Thats our cricketing culture. Add to that the spinners.

Indian cricket's focus on having express fast bowlers is hardly a decade old and we already have a number of them bowling 90mph in test matches.

Yes test matches and not 4 over spells in T20s.
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Express fast bowlers like Bond, Akhtar and Lee? We have yet to find a bowler like them. :inti
 
Corridor of Uncertainty said:
Any opportunity to show Pakistan cricket is better than Indian cricket. I think it is stopping too low.

Two of Indian players have touched 150. So did two of Pakistan's from memory (Hassnain and Wahab.)

All Pakistani fastest bowlers bowled pretty much in the low 140s most times (Wahab, Hasnain, Haris) and so are Indian bowlers.

Real comparison would have been if someone was bowling over 145 consistently and occasionally touching 155 like Brett Lee, Akhtar etc. There is no one in world cricket doing that at the moment.

So useless comparisons between two equal set of players who aren't even great in their categories is embarrassing.

Finally, in T20s, speed isn't everything. A consistently fast 3-4 over spell in tests has tremendous value, in T20, control is even more important, so you won't see players striving that hard ball after ball.
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We never had a bowler like Lee and Akhtar. Just because some of our bowlers are bowling 145k doesn't make them express like Lee or Akhtar. Young and joshilay fans should watch spells of Akhtar, Bond and Lee on youtube and learn what express bowling is all about.
 
Bhaag Viru Bhaag said:
We never had a bowler like Lee and Akhtar. Just because some of our bowlers are bowling 145k doesn't make them express like Lee or Akhtar. Young and joshilay fans should watch spells of Akhtar, Bond and Lee on youtube and learn what express bowling is all about.
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You re right. As [MENTION=133760]Abdullah719[/MENTION] says, people are fighting over 1 or 2km! That too at the middle end of the fast bowling scales.
 
Bhaag Viru Bhaag said:
We never had a bowler like Lee and Akhtar. Just because some of our bowlers are bowling 145k doesn't make them express like Lee or Akhtar. Young and joshilay fans should watch spells of Akhtar, Bond and Lee on youtube and learn what express bowling is all about.
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There have only been about 5-6 bowlers in the entire history of cricket who bowl at 155k. I can only think of Akhtar, Lee, Tait, Bond and Thommo. There might have been a couple of more from WI and pre WW era. Thats about it.

What differentiates a bowlers that bowl at 145-150k is the control. And this is where India has come leaps and bounds. We are finally starting to have bowlers who can not only touch that, but maintain control. Bowlers are not coming to the Indian team bowling 145k and are starting to trundle at 135k after 1 year. Bowlers also seem to maintaining their speed along with control - Shami and Bumrah being 2 prime examples. In Asia, Umesh Yadav has also been revelation (though why can't he replicate his performances outside Asia is an interesting question).

So, in summary, India is not too far behind the world order in pace bowling. Only Australia and SA are ahead of India (not by much) and Pakistan and NZ are on par with India.
 
Although 4 over spells mean very little i gotta say Saini is quick. But not a finished product yet.

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JattMaula said:
That's what I said. SMA is limited overs.

Bumrah hasn't bowled in ranji for years but he bowled at his peak speeds in Aussie tests.
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I have wstched bumrah in ranji, he would bowl 4-5 ks slower. Even Mavi and Avesh khan this season. I doubt these guys try to bowl all out in Ranjis.
 
cricketjoshila said:
I have wstched bumrah in ranji, he would bowl 4-5 ks slower. Even Mavi and Avesh khan this season. I doubt these guys try to bowl all out in Ranjis.
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Bumrah just started going above 145kph 2 years ago. He hasn't bowled in domestics since then.
 
Saini first over:

151

141

147

151

150

143

Commentators mentioned his pace and Bishop is super impressed with the guy. Express pace from Saini. Batsmen were playing him from back foot.
 
Speeds hit by Indian youngsters on 7th April:

Saini 151 k

Prasidh 150 k

Siraj 145 k
 
Reddy said:
Saini first over:

151

141

147

151

150

143

Commentators mentioned his pace and Bishop is super impressed with the guy. Express pace from Saini. Batsmen were playing him from back foot.
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He doesn’t look as quick as the speed is showing bro. I remember a few years back Jason holder supposedly was bowling at 150kph in the IPL. So I wouldn’t trust these IPL speed guns.
 
Sher Khan said:
He doesn’t look as quick as the speed is showing bro. I remember a few years back Jason holder supposedly was bowling at 150kph in the IPL. So I wouldn’t trust these IPL speed guns.
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IPL speed guns have been pretty accurate atleast for the last couple of years. The likes of Lockie, Rabada are clocking the same speeds as they do in international cricket.
 
Nikhil_cric said:
IPL speed guns have been pretty accurate atleast for the last couple of years. The likes of Lockie, Rabada are clocking the same speeds as they do in international cricket.
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they might be adding extra 10, 20ks for Indian speedsters :/
 
Smbhayi said:
they might be adding extra 10, 20ks for Indian speedsters :/
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+1 can confirm. It’s not just for ipl but for international games too.

Faced Bumrah in the nets during the last England tour. He struggled to get the ball on 1 bounce to the keeper. Bowled slow loopy deliveries. Next day on the speed gun he was 140+
 
Nikhil_cric said:
IPL speed guns have been pretty accurate atleast for the last couple of years. The likes of Lockie, Rabada are clocking the same speeds as they do in international cricket.
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Saini has clocked 150ks even in domestic cricket.
 
GBK_Fan said:
+1 can confirm. It’s not just for ipl but for international games too.

Faced Bumrah in the nets during the last England tour. He struggled to get the ball on 1 bounce to the keeper. Bowled slow loopy deliveries. Next day on the speed gun he was 140+
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when i faced him in timbaktoo, he was bowling under arm at around 38kph. Next day caught him bowling around 148.
How much BCCI tweaks speed guns, I tell u!
 
Raw speed has started to catch media attention in India, so there are going to be plenty of bowlers hitting 150 like we used to see with Pakistan in the past.

However, what's to be seen is if they can keep up this pace across formats like Starc, Bumrah and Rabada do. There's no point reaching those speeds once in a blue moon when 95% of the times you are trundling at 130kph, like we saw with Pakistani pacers in South Africa.
 
BlackShadow said:
Raw speed has started to catch media attention in India, so there are going to be plenty of bowlers hitting 150 like we used to see with Pakistan in the past..
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How do you know about pakistani fast bowler in domestic?Stick to your indian phast bowler. There are atleast 4 bowler how can bowl average speed of 140 plus that too in 50 overs while 145+in t20 .so don.t drag pakistan with your immature comments
BlackShadow said:
However what's to be seen is if they can keep up this pace across formats like Starc, Bumrah and Rabada do. There's no point reaching those speeds once in a blue moon when 95% of the times you are trundling at 130kph, like we saw with Pakistani pacers in South Africa.
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Which format are you talking about if it is test then fair enough they are new to test and need alot more fitness for test bowling. If it is about odis then you are completely wrong hasan and shaheen can maintain average speed of 140 in odis .

My fear for your bowlers is it don.t turn out to another khaleel who was claimed to be next wasim akram and have speed of 145+ but in international cricket he barely bowl with average speed of 135
 
saeed5646 said:
How do you know about pakistani fast bowler in domestic?Stick to your indian phast bowler. There are atleast 4 bowler how can bowl average speed of 140 plus that too in 50 overs while 145+in t20 .so don.t drag pakistan with your immature comments


Which format are you talking about if it is test then fair enough they are new to test and need alot more fitness for test bowling. If it is about odis then you are completely wrong hasan and shaheen can maintain average speed of 140 in odis .

My fear for your bowlers is it don.t turn out to another khaleel who was claimed to be next wasim akram and have speed of 145+ but in international cricket he barely bowl with average speed of 135
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He is comfortably faster than the current Wasim Akram. Why compare him with the Akram of the past? ;-)
 
Sher Khan said:
He doesn’t look as quick as the speed is showing bro. I remember a few years back Jason holder supposedly was bowling at 150kph in the IPL. So I wouldn’t trust these IPL speed guns.
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Rabada, Lockie Ferguson, Jofra Archer are also measured using the same speed guns and there is no different guns for different bowlers. You need not trust Indian speed guns, no issue with me, as long as this thread is open the reported speeds will be posted.
 
cricketjoshila said:
Yes at no.3 with a speed of nearly 152ks.

3 Indians have bowled 150ks.

Now it isnt their fault that the likes of Rabada, Ferguson etc play the IPL.
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2 unknown Pakistani players were clocking similar speeds.
After 12 years of IPL India has a few pace bowlers from a population of over a billion people and still getting outperformed in the pace department by kiwis a country the size of a small town of India.
 
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Finisher said:
2 unknown Pakistani players were clocking similar speeds.
After 12 years of IPL India has a few pace bowlers from a population of over a billion people and still getting outperformed in the pace department by kiwis a country the size of a small town of India.
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No they weren't, those unknown players weren't clocking anywhere close to these speeds. 140 isn't 150,
 
Finisher said:
2 unknown Pakistani players were clocking similar speeds.
After 12 years of IPL India has a few pace bowlers from a population of over a billion people and still getting outperformed in the pace department by kiwis a country the size of a small town of India.
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Just like how they out rank Pakistan in Tests and ODIs despite Pakistan's population.
 
ravisurya said:
Just like how they out rank Pakistan in Tests and ODIs despite Pakistan's population.
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Yeah and they out rank India in almost every sport. Doesn't change the fact that they have produced faster bowlers in their history and still are.
 
wow! 3 pacers bowling at 150k+ is excellent. Hopefully our pace attack development continues like it has in the last few years.
 
Nikhil_cric said:
IPL speed guns have been pretty accurate atleast for the last couple of years. The likes of Lockie, Rabada are clocking the same speeds as they do in international cricket.
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Bhuvi bowling at 144K is enough evidence to suggest IPL speeds are unreliable. He is usually 130-136k bowler. Rabada speeds are also slightly faster in IPL.
 
BDfanforever said:
Bhuvi bowling at 144K is enough evidence to suggest IPL speeds are unreliable. He is usually 130-136k bowler. Rabada speeds are also slightly faster in IPL.
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Bhuvi has bowled upto 144 kph previously too. Even in international cricket he has bowled in the 140's.
 
urnotserious said:
No they weren't, those unknown players weren't clocking anywhere close to these speeds. 140 isn't 150,
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="in" dir="ltr">Good speeds from Haris Rauf again:<br><br>144kph<br>139kph<br>142kph<br>137kph<br>148kph<br>140kph<br>147kph<br>141kph<br>143kph<br>141kph<br>142kph<br>142kph<br>148kph<br>142kph<br>144kph<a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/LQvQG?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#LQvQG</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/PSL4?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#PSL4</a> <a href="https://t.co/vBu9FNp4ND">pic.twitter.com/vBu9FNp4ND</a></p>— Saj Sadiq (@Saj_PakPassion) <a href="https://twitter.com/Saj_PakPassion/status/1099326594219470849?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">February 23, 2019</a></blockquote>
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these are only pakistani bowler speed
Wahab Riaz - 149kph
Haris Rauf - 149kph
Mohammed Husnain - 149kph
Mohammed Irfan Snr - 148kph
Shaheen Shah Afridi - 147kph
Hassan Ali - 145kph
Mohammed Sami - 144kph
Junaid Khan - 144kph
Sohail Khan - 144kph
Mohammed Amir - 143kph
Faheem Ashraf - 143kph
Usman Shinwari - 143kph
Mohammed Musa - 143kph

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urnotserious said:
No they weren't, those unknown players weren't clocking anywhere close to these speeds. 140 isn't 150,
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husnain have clocked 150 3 time

haris have clocked 149 4 time

Musa highest delivery was 148

without confirming don,t write garbage
 
ravisurya said:
Just like how they out rank Pakistan in Tests and ODIs despite Pakistan's population.
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it is funny abbas have better test record than your all time great bumrah and pakistan test bowler have outperformed your test bowling from last one year
 
Nikhil_cric said:
Bhuvi has bowled upto 144 kph previously too. Even in international cricket he has bowled in the 140's.
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In the 5th ODI versus Aus, these were his speeds in the first 3 overs averaging ~132kph.

129.9k
123k
128.4k
134.2k
129.7k
135.8k
135.7k
136.3k
136k
136.3k
131.8k
133.3k
131.2k
130.5k
 
BDfanforever said:
In the 5th ODI versus Aus, these were his speeds in the first 3 overs averaging ~132kph.

129.9k
123k
128.4k
134.2k
129.7k
135.8k
135.7k
136.3k
136k
136.3k
131.8k
133.3k
131.2k
130.5k
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Even bumrah was down on pace in this ODI series. That doesn't prove anything. No one is claiming that bhuvi hits these speeds day in day out. But he has been clocked as high as 146 kph so im not sure why the speed guns are in question when all bowlers have bowled speeds that they are capable of and nothing more.
 
BDfanforever said:
Bhuvi bowling at 144K is enough evidence to suggest IPL speeds are unreliable. He is usually 130-136k bowler. Rabada speeds are also slightly faster in IPL.
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Bhuvi has bowled 142, 143 in every single international series he has played recently in both odis and tests
 
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BDfanforever said:
In the 5th ODI versus Aus, these were his speeds in the first 3 overs averaging ~132kph.

129.9k
123k
128.4k
134.2k
129.7k
135.8k
135.7k
136.3k
136k
136.3k
131.8k
133.3k
131.2k
130.5k
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Depends on the pitch, conditions. Take a range of 10-20 Odis for a clear picture.
 
Itachi said:
Depends on the pitch, conditions. Take a range of 10-20 Odis for a clear picture.
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Not so much, Ferguson/Rabada will be fast bowlers in any conditions. Conditions may motivate bowlers but it won't help them to release the ball significantly quicker. Conditions however may provide more seam and bounce.

I have seen enough of Bhuvi to know that he is not a 144k bowler, even today his average speed in the very first over was 134.4k. I am not saying speed guns in this year IPL is inaccurate rather they can be unreliable at times.
 
saeed5646 said:
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="in" dir="ltr">Good speeds from Haris Rauf again:<br><br>144kph<br>139kph<br>142kph<br>137kph<br>148kph<br>140kph<br>147kph<br>141kph<br>143kph<br>141kph<br>142kph<br>142kph<br>148kph<br>142kph<br>144kph<a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/LQvQG?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#LQvQG</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/PSL4?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#PSL4</a> <a href="https://t.co/vBu9FNp4ND">pic.twitter.com/vBu9FNp4ND</a></p>— Saj Sadiq (@Saj_PakPassion) <a href="https://twitter.com/Saj_PakPassion/status/1099326594219470849?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">February 23, 2019</a></blockquote>
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these are only pakistani bowler speed
Wahab Riaz - 149kph
Haris Rauf - 149kph
Mohammed Husnain - 149kph
Mohammed Irfan Snr - 148kph
Shaheen Shah Afridi - 147kph
Hassan Ali - 145kph
Mohammed Sami - 144kph
Junaid Khan - 144kph
Sohail Khan - 144kph
Mohammed Amir - 143kph
Faheem Ashraf - 143kph
Usman Shinwari - 143kph
Mohammed Musa - 143kph

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Saini has passed 150 5 times in IPL(fastest of 151.98), Prasidh 3 different times and Bumrah has done it once.

Your fastest delivery would crack the top 20 in IPL, the twentieth spot. LOL.
 
urnotserious said:
Saini has passed 150 5 times in IPL(fastest of 151.98), Prasidh 3 different times and Bumrah has done it once.

Your fastest delivery would crack the top 20 in IPL, the twentieth spot. LOL.
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remember the guy the next coming of wasim akram khaleel ahmed who was claim to be 150 kph bowler and after playing few international games trundling at 130 kph.IPL TOP 10 have only indian bowler so much for speed star,,,,,

IF Haris,husnain and musa was bowling on the same ipl speed gun they might have clicked 155 .lets judge the speed in international stage of both saina and pakistani upcoming bowler :genius
 
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BDfanforever said:
Not so much, Ferguson/Rabada will be fast bowlers in any conditions. Conditions may motivate bowlers but it won't help them to release the ball significantly quicker. Conditions however may provide more seam and bounce.

I have seen enough of Bhuvi to know that he is not a 144k bowler, even today his average speed in the very first over was 134.4k. I am not saying speed guns in this year IPL is inaccurate rather they can be unreliable at times.
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I agree. Bhuvi will be around 135-138k bowler who occasionally can bowl 140+.
 
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