Srinagar-Badgram by-election; Clashes between youth and Indian forces take Kashmiri death toll to 12

[waqar goraya]

Four suspected rebels were killed in an alleged fighting with the Indian army in Kashmir, as businesses and schools remained shut in the disputed region on Monday in response to a separatists' call to protest the killing of eight civilians by government forces during a weekend by-election, officials said.

Indian army spokesman Colonel Rajesh Kalia said a gunbattle erupted Sunday night after the four suspected militants allegedly crossed from the Pakistani side of the Himalayan territory into the Indian-held portion of Kashmir in Keran sector.

There was no independent confirmation of the incident.

Meanwhile, a strike called by separatists who challenge India's occupation over Kashmir paralysed life in the Kashmir Valley on Monday.


Widespread protests and clashes on Sunday marred a by-election for a vacant seat in India's Parliament as thousands of people attacked polling stations.

The Indian forces fired on rock-throwing protesters, killing eight people and wounding at least 100. Officials said about 100 police and paramilitary soldiers were also injured in the clashes.

Only about 7 per cent of the area's nearly 1.3 million voters cast ballots on Sunday, the lowest turnout in elections held by India in the region over the past five decades, said chief electoral officer Shantmanu, who uses only one name.

A second by-election is scheduled for Wednesday in Anantnag, Shopian, Pulwama and Kulgam districts.

Anti-India separatists consider elections in Kashmir to be illegitimate, saying that India militarily occupies the region. India has long viewed polling as an endorsement of its control over a portion of Kashmir.


https://www.dawn.com/news/1326123/g...-fresh-wave-of-violence-in-india-held-kashmir

https://tribune.com.pk/story/1379684/clashes-youth-indian-forces-take-kashmiri-death-toll-12/

 

[hafeezrocks]

And thus the Indian state terror continues in the Valley.

Shame on the World to ignore the ongoing genocide in Kashmir by Indian Forces.

 

[waqar goraya]

It seems that anti-India protests in Kashmir are at its peak. This election registered a mere 6.5 percent of turnout, the lowest in 30 years.
India should realize that it is not a security but political issue.

 

[troodon]

And thus the Indian state terror continues in the Valley.

Shame on the World to ignore the ongoing genocide in Kashmir by Indian Forces.

If Indian Army really wanted to commit genocide, it would have done it by now.

Stop living in denial.

Only those people who stop the army or throw missiles, stones or attack army in groups get killed.

You oppose the Democratic system, damage public property, try to burn army vehicles, you have to face the consequences whether you are a Kashmiri or Tamil or Bengali.

 

[chacha kashmiri]

If Indian Army really wanted to commit genocide, it would have done it by now.

Stop living in denial.

Only those people who stop the army or throw missiles, stones or attack army in groups get killed.

You oppose the Democratic system, damage public property, try to burn army vehicles, you have to face the consequences whether you are a Kashmiri or Tamil or Bengali.

India has its own group of Hizb mujahideen who could quite easily carry out the genocide you allude to

I'm not sure why Parveen rasool is not used more to create good will in Kashmir

 

[Madplayer]

If Indian Army really wanted to commit genocide, it would have done it by now.

Stop living in denial.

Only those people who stop the army or throw missiles, stones or attack army in groups get killed.

You oppose the Democratic system, damage public property, try to burn army vehicles, you have to face the consequences whether you are a Kashmiri or Tamil or Bengali.

Genocide is happening as we speak. Turning a blind eye and giving justifications for murder of indviduals demanding the rights that were promised to them by their killers is not going to change anything.

 

[Zahid87]

Genocide is happening as we speak. Turning a blind eye and giving justifications for murder of indviduals demanding the rights that were promised to them by their killers is not going to change anything.

I don't think there is any state intent to committ genocide. They have had 70 years. If they wanted to carry out a complete cull of the population, they could have done it by now.

Similarly, if they wanted to alter the religious demographics by flooding in people, they would have done it already. BJP talked a lot about setting up settlement colonies for the Kashmiri Pandits. As far as I know, it still has not happened. And that is still more palettable compared to opening up Kashmir to the rest of mainstream India.

India's problems in Kashmir come from its own epic mismanagement of the situation, as well as some clever Pakistani interference. India has now dug itself a hole so deep, that there is no clear way out. The Army has to be seen to act against the protestors as a means of keeping order, especially when it comes to counter insurgency ops. By doing this, they lose any good will they had, and strengthen the anti-India feeling. No way of winning.

In any case, from the statements that I see, the current movement is also irrevocably linked to religion, as well as the anti-India feeling. The desire is not to merge with Pakistan, but to have Kashmir administered under the Sharia. There is no counter narrative that is strong enough to stand against this - no one can be seen or willing to listen to something that can be percieved as anti-Islam.

 

[Madplayer]

I don't think there is any state intent to committ genocide. They have had 70 years. If they wanted to carry out a complete cull of the population, they could have done it by now.

No they could not have "done it by now" openly. India presents itself as a secular democratic republic, it would be disastrous for them.

They are doing it at a slow pace. The intention of killing might not be to change demographics but to quell sentiments of people. Official indian figures say about 50k Kashmiris have been killed.since 1980s. Unofficial say 2 lakh. I dont know how big the numbers should be for u to call it genocide.

Similarly, if they wanted to alter the religious demographics by flooding in people, they would have done it already. BJP talked a lot about setting up settlement colonies for the Kashmiri Pandits. As far as I know, it still has not happened. And that is still more palettable compared to opening up Kashmir to the rest of mainstream India.

They cannot "flood in people" because of article 370 in the consitution. They have eroded the article to some extent but they cannot go against the crux of it.

Resettling kashmiri pandits wont do squat. They are numerically insignificant to Kashmir's population. They always were a very small number of the total population. Infact Kashmiri muslims want them to come back. They are just against their settlement in separate colonies which would support india's narrative that they were forced out by muslims.

India's problems in Kashmir come from its own epic mismanagement of the situation, as well as some clever Pakistani interference. India has now dug itself a hole so deep, that there is no clear way out. The Army has to be seen to act against the protestors as a means of keeping order, especially when it comes to counter insurgency ops. By doing this, they lose any good will they had, and strengthen the anti-India feeling. No way of winning.

Reading this, You come across as just another typical uninformed indian to be very blunt. Sorry. Do some reading on gaw kadal massacre or kunan poshpora mass rapes. Just a couple of examples. Hopefully if you are rational, it might open your eyes.

In any case, from the statements that I see, the current movement is also irrevocably linked to religion, as well as the anti-India feeling. The desire is not to merge with Pakistan, but to have Kashmir administered under the Sharia. There is no counter narrative that is strong enough to stand against this - no one can be seen or willing to listen to something that can be percieved as anti-Islam.

Absolutely clueless. My fingers would curse me if i write a long explanation for these clueless words

 

[Zahid87]

No they could not have "done it by now" openly. India presents itself as a secular democratic republic, it would be disastrous for them.

They are doing it at a slow pace. The intention of killing might not be to change demographics but to quell sentiments of people. Official indian figures say about 50k Kashmiris have been killed.since 1980s. Unofficial say 2 lakh. I dont know how big the numbers should be for u to call it genocide.


They cannot "flood in people" because of article 370 in the consitution. They have eroded the article to some extent but they cannot go against the crux of it.

Resettling kashmiri pandits wont do squat. They are numerically insignificant to Kashmir's population. They always were a very small number of the total population. Infact Kashmiri muslims want them to come back. They are just against their settlement in separate colonies which would support india's narrative that they were forced out by muslims.



Reading this, You come across as just another typical uninformed indian to be very blunt. Sorry. Do some reading on gaw kadal massacre or kunan poshpora mass rapes. Just a couple of examples. Hopefully if you are rational, it might open your eyes.



Absolutely clueless. My fingers would curse me if i write a long explanation for these clueless words

I hesitated a lot before submitting my previous post. Simply because this was the reaction I did not want.

I get that its a sensitive and emotive issue - but I have just tried to put my views out, which I suppose are atypical of the normal, India is killing indiscriminately and Kashmir bangea Pakistan stuff. Reason why is that I feel it adds nothing to the thread.

Let me be clear, I am not trying to paint India as an innocent bystander. I just don't think that there is any ingrained intent to change the demographics and/or to commit mass genocide. I think what is happening is a result of their own gross incompetance.

If thats something that makes me an uninformed Indian, then so be it.

 

[Madplayer]

I hesitated a lot before submitting my previous post. Simply because this was the reaction I did not want.

I get that its a sensitive and emotive issue - but I have just tried to put my views out, which I suppose are atypical of the normal, India is killing indiscriminately and Kashmir bangea Pakistan stuff. Reason why is that I feel it adds nothing to the thread.

Let me be clear, I am not trying to paint India as an innocent bystander. I just don't think that there is any ingrained intent to change the demographics and/or to commit mass genocide. I think what is happening is a result of their own gross incompetance.

If thats something that makes me an uninformed Indian, then so be it.

It is an open forum. You can write whatever you want. I might have come across as agressive in my post but i tried to explain most parts. i think i did a reasonable job with that. After reading your post I will have to look at the definition of genocide once again but as far as i know, killing huge number of people even "due to incompetence" ( which is a farce imo) is STILL GENOCIDE.