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Passionate-FastBowler said:
hahah a beffiting statement. To bowl like akhtar consistently at 97-99 mph when he was in his prime , Finn would only wet his English PJs at 93s....:akhtar
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That prime would unfortunately last for 2-3 games before he ended on the doctors table or threw a fit or beat his team mate or abused his captain........
 
:))) Please don't derail the topic. If there was an Asia XI consisting of the Sub-continent greatest bowlers only, Kapil Dev would have been the water-boy.
Open a thread if you want, but this topic is about Steve Finn the express bowler.
 
akheR said:
:))) Please don't derail the topic. If there was an Asia XI consisting of the Sub-continent greatest bowlers only, Kapil Dev would have been the water-boy.
Open a thread if you want, but this topic is about Steve Finnthe express bowler.
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(Better yet) the Silent Assasin...:rao
 
s2k said:
Kapil Dev owns Akhtar.....right left and center..comparing a man with 400+ wickets to some one with less than 200..........thats the delusional state you are in.......

Btw.......whats has Akhtar achieved except that 100mph ball?

How many MOM or MOS he has????

how many 5for or 10 fors??

Avg and SR dont compare the bowlers when sm1 doesnt even have half the no. of wickets or matches the other has.....

Remember what Akhtar got in 2003 WC?or how Bhajji owned him?
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Not to forget that Kapil Paaji had a clean action , didnt chuck and took no performance enhancing drugs either but for Akhtar less said the better .
Apart from 2003 Wc , Bhajji episode Akhtar would also be remember for being hamered by Rossy Taylor and that the team management didnt select him for clash against India at Mohali, probably out of the fear that Indians would hammer him again like in 2003wc
 
Passionate-FastBowler said:
hahah a beffiting statement. To bowl like akhtar consistently at 97-99 mph when he was in his prime , Finn would only wet his English PJs at 93s....:akhtar
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I doubt whether Finn can maintain that speed when he plays in subcontinent.
Seen Akhtar and Lee bowling at high 90s even in their third spells.
In WC game akhtar got Jwdene to a 156++ delivery.

Anyway i dont want to write Finn of, i am too bad in estimating fast bowlers :akhtar
( Thought Sohail Tanvir ll be next wasim after IPL 1 and he was not even picked for Pak team :facepalm: )
 
Dayum Indian trolls are out in full force tonight, probably celebrating the draw against England :)))
 
Guys, Shoaib Akhtar bowled at express pace and hit his team-mates with bats, he wins on every level. Let's not compare him with the Indian super Mario please, thanks.
 
Passionate-FastBowler said:
Express is one thing and that is understandable since finn has improved a good deal. But comparing to Him to Akhtar is a joke. we will wait and see when finn breaks the record of fastest ball bowled by akhtar then we will compare him to Akhtar. Till then is nothing special than plenty of pacers that have come and gone and bitten the dust :)
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I don't think the primary aim of a quality fast bowler is to break speed records.

It is exciting though to see the emergence of an express pace bowler, especially an English one. Whether he will ever be as fast as Akhtar or Lee I couldn't care less. Bond wasn't either, but was a better bowler than either of those two, and I believe that Finny can be.

My hope is that he will become the bowler that Steve Harmison should have been. What particularly excites me about him is that I've seen him extract sufficient life from placid pitches in unhelpful conditions such as those in Brisbane and (especially) Adelaide on our last Ashes tour to get quality well-set batsmen out.

Of course, much will depend on him maintaining his professional attitude, but early signs are very encouraging. I believe that if he keeps at it and is managed sensibly, he will get better and probably even faster too.
 
rajan70 said:
Not to forget that Kapil Paaji had a clean action , didnt chuck and took no performance enhancing drugs either but for Akhtar less said the better .
Apart from 2003 Wc , Bhajji episode Akhtar would also be remember for being hamered by Rossy Taylor and that the team management didnt select him for clash against India at Mohali, probably out of the fear that Indians would hammer him again like in 2003wc
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lol even Don Bradman went for a duck in his last innings, and we yet have to see a batsman of his quality. :sachin

Kapil-paaji was just an average swing bowler. If he wasn't an all-rounder, wasn't +70mph, and if he wasn't India's only decent Test 'strike' (all relative) bowler, he wouldn't have played more than 10 Test matches. At least in the other Test nations.
He came good against the West Indies, but, for God's sake, look at his records.
And in ODIs he was quite crappy - not by Indians standards, of course, who voted him, in 2002, as their greatest cricketer.

Atif said:
Dayum Indian trolls are out in full force tonight, probably celebrating the draw against England :)))
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Ironically, Kapil-paaji has the beautiful record of the most Test draws.
Why win, when you can draw - that's a World Champion mentality. :kapil
 
Some very jealous posting in this thread. The thread is not even about the quality of Finn's bowling but about his pace.
Steven Finn bowled very very fast today, that was very pleasing to see.
 
Big Harvey said:
I don't think the primary aim of a quality fast bowler is to break speed records.

It is exciting though to see the emergence of an express pace bowler, especially an English one. Whether he will ever be as fast as Akhtar or Lee I couldn't care less. Bond wasn't either, but was a better bowler than either of those two, and I believe that Finny can be.

My hope is that he will become the bowler that Steve Harmison should have been. What particularly excites me about him is that I've seen him extract sufficient life from placid pitches in unhelpful conditions such as those in Brisbane and (especially) Adelaide on our last Ashes tour to get quality well-set batsmen out.

Of course, much will depend on him maintaining his professional attitude, but early signs are very encouraging. I believe that if he keeps at it and is managed sensibly, he will get better and probably even faster too.
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people should realise that akhter had around 170 test wickets at 24 which is fantastic, and most of them were played on the flat wickets of the subcontinent, where even the greats like liillee were ordinary
 
Well, Akhtar got hammered some time but he was joy to watch. It's good to see Finn bowling at those speeds. He is young and no need to compare him with anyone including akhatar at this moment.
 
akheR said:
:))) Please don't derail the topic. If there was an Asia XI consisting of the Sub-continent greatest bowlers only, Kapil Dev would have been the water-boy.
Open a thread if you want, but this topic is about Steve Finn the express bowler.
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You derailed the topic by bringing in Kapil Dev in a thread about Finn....

LOL Pakistanis are so jealous.......Akhtar was a test bowler........Finn has just arrived on the scene.......

Kapil Dev beats Akhtar by a mile in terms of bowling........
 
Big Harvey said:
I don't think the primary aim of a quality fast bowler is to break speed records.

It is exciting though to see the emergence of an express pace bowler, especially an English one. Whether he will ever be as fast as Akhtar or Lee I couldn't care less. Bond wasn't either, but was a better bowler than either of those two, and I believe that Finny can be.

My hope is that he will become the bowler that Steve Harmison should have been. What particularly excites me about him is that I've seen him extract sufficient life from placid pitches in unhelpful conditions such as those in Brisbane and (especially) Adelaide on our last Ashes tour to get quality well-set batsmen out.

Of course, much will depend on him maintaining his professional attitude, but early signs are very encouraging. I believe that if he keeps at it and is managed sensibly, he will get better and probably even faster too.
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But But then how would they thump their chest and declare that Akhtar is a legend........
 
Big Harvey said:
I don't think the primary aim of a quality fast bowler is to break speed records.

It is exciting though to see the emergence of an express pace bowler, especially an English one. Whether he will ever be as fast as Akhtar or Lee I couldn't care less. Bond wasn't either, but was a better bowler than either of those two, and I believe that Finny can be.

My hope is that he will become the bowler that Steve Harmison should have been. What particularly excites me about him is that I've seen him extract sufficient life from placid pitches in unhelpful conditions such as those in Brisbane and (especially) Adelaide on our last Ashes tour to get quality well-set batsmen out.

Of course, much will depend on him maintaining his professional attitude, but early signs are very encouraging. I believe that if he keeps at it and is managed sensibly, he will get better and probably even faster too.
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Nice post. Finn's first-class best came at Worcester, with 14 wickets in the match including 9-37 in an innings. He's got talent!
 
akheR said:
lol even Don Bradman went for a duck in his last innings, and we yet have to see a batsman of his quality. :sachin

Kapil-paaji was just an average swing bowler. If he wasn't an all-rounder, wasn't +70mph, and if he wasn't India's only decent Test 'strike' (all relative) bowler, he wouldn't have played more than 10 Test matches. At least in the other Test nations.
He came good against the West Indies, but, for God's sake, look at his records.
And in ODIs he was quite crappy - not by Indians standards, of course, who voted him, in 2002, as their greatest cricketer.



Ironically, Kapil-paaji has the beautiful record of the most Test draws.
Why win, when you can draw - that's a World Champion mentality. :kapil
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Well At least Kapil has more draws and wins than Akhtar....

Avg swing bowler bowled very well againsi the greatest team of all times......

what did Akhtar did in Australia?how many test wins?

Akhtar was fast sometimes brilliant...a good to very good bowler........not a great not a legend.....just like Thomson before him was a good to very good bowler....not a great not a legend....

LOL not even 200 wickets.........

You might as well declare Asif better than Hadlee and Aamer better than Davidson and Akram.......

Some posts..............LOL
 
saj786 said:
people should realise that akhter had around 170 test wickets at 24 which is fantastic, and most of them were played on the flat wickets of the subcontinent, where even the greats like liillee were ordinary
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Well, his Test average is 25.69, but I don't want anyone to think I'm not a fan of Shoaib Akhtar. I most certainly am. However there seem to be many who judge bowlers by pace alone, and who think that anyone who doesn't match him for pace can't be as good as him. I don't subscribe to that view.

At his best, Shoaib had both accuracy and clever variations which set him apart from Lee, who was pretty much as quick, but was more wayward and didn't have as many tricks up his sleeve. There's much more to being a top-class bowler than simply being able to bowl extremely fast, as Shaun Tait, another bowler of similar pace discovered the hard way when he was (briefly) exposed to cricket at the highest level.
 
s2k said:
You derailed the topic by bringing in Kapil Dev in a thread about Finn....

LOL Pakistanis are so jealous.......Akhtar was a test bowler........Finn has just arrived on the scene.......

Kapil Dev beats Akhtar by a mile in terms of bowling........
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#34.

Akhtar, Finn, Umar Amin > Kapil Dev.

The Pakistanis are so jealous destroyed my jaw. Jealous of your pace attack over the years ? Right. Jealous of a +90 mph non-Pakistani bowlers ? Right, that's why I say that the fastest bowler nowadays (but not the best) is Shaun Tait.

Now please, go watch the WC2011 finals highlights.
Me stops talking with you in this thread now.
 
s2k said:
You derailed the topic by bringing in Kapil Dev in a thread about Finn....

LOL Pakistanis are so jealous.......Akhtar was a test bowler........Finn has just arrived on the scene.......

Kapil Dev beats Akhtar by a mile in terms of bowling........
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:yk JOTD(joke of the day)


Finn has a lot of ability. It's not easy being a fast bowler, he needs to be persisted with. The problem is England have a battery of pace so he will have to wait until someone has poor form to prove himself again.
 
akheR said:
#34.

Akhtar, Finn, Umar Amin > Kapil Dev.

The Pakistanis are so jealous destroyed my jaw. Jealous of your pace attack over the years ? Right. Jealous of a +90 mph non-Pakistani bowlers ? Right, that's why I say that the fastest bowler nowadays (but not the best) is Shaun Tait.

Now please, go watch the WC2011 finals highlights.
Me stops talking with you in this thread now.
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Well from the highs of Imran 2Ws and even Akhtar you guys now have no such bowler of that quality.......Jealous of not our pace attack but any bowler who bowls 150ks and is not a Pakistani....things like speed gun error,pitches weather every thing comes up......

Say as much as you want about Kapil...............doesnt change the views of the world does it?

Just like some one tried to prove Waqar was better than Wasim with some half baked stats........Did it change the opinion of the world?It didnt...

Well while i watch WC final highlights.......u go watch Hafeez beat the ZIM team..........thats the best you can do....
 
KingKhanWC said:
:yk JOTD(joke of the day)


Finn has a lot of ability. It's not easy being a fast bowler, he needs to be persisted with. The problem is England have a battery of pace so he will have to wait until someone has poor form to prove himself again.
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434 test wickets to 178..................some joke it is........
 
He has pace and height, haven't watched the match as I knew what would happen :133:

Hope he see him bowl with some more venom :akhtar in the last odi
 
best fast bowling prospect in the world at the moment will take stacks of wickets
 
i watched him on the Star Cricket stream...what speeds he clocked on the sky sports one?
 
s2k said:
Well from the highs of Imran 2Ws and even Akhtar you guys now have no such bowler of that quality.......Jealous of not our pace attack but any bowler who bowls 150ks and is not a Pakistani....things like speed gun error,pitches weather every thing comes up......
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You should abort this jelousy angle - it's not working, Pakistan have produced the fastest (arguably two) bowler(s) in cricket. Pakistan might not have the quality pacers it should - for reasons we all know - but there are still enough 'fast' bowlers. As for 150, Gul clocked it at Lord's against Australia and Wahab has had quite a few 150k+ spells in T20 cricket this season.

And you obviously wouldn't know, given your team, but when a bowler bowls a spell at express pace, everyone questions the technology first and foremost. In fact, the ICC went as far as disregarding Akhtar's first 100mph ball, Nasser Hussain had a discussion about different speed readings across the world when Tait bowled at 100 in England and Thompson has always criticised how different the modern technology is compared to those in his era (refer to the Cowdry Lecture). A lot of teams have historically been jelous of Pakistan's bowling (reverse swinging, doosras etc), not the other way round.
 
Funny thing about all the posts above is that England fans really couldn't care less whether we have an express pace bowler or not. As long as eleven blokes keep going out there every week and doing the job to the best of their ability, we're quite happy. Personally I find England's success pretty exciting in itself. We care more about the team doing well than some moderately memorable individual breaking a less significant record.
 
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all those 10 year old kids who still think steven finn in faster and much better fast bowler than Shoaib Akhtar, Actually forget to think for a moment in their jealousy of Pakistani talent , ..........

And that is , For steven finn to even come close to the quality and supreme of Akhtar he has to first beat his own peers. Namely James Anderson, Tim breson, Chris Tremlet, Stuart broad.

Honestly ? Do you really think Finn is better than these fine four pace attack bowlers mentioned above ? How can he even come close to Akhtar when he can't be even better than the current English fast bowling Attack?

In your hatred you just forgot that being much improved bowler doesn't mean the best.

He doesn't even have a spot in the team for that matter. Let Tremlet recover and England reach its full bench strength of the mentioned fast bowlers. Then Steven will either be demoted to squad or will be asked to return back to domestic and wait for a call-up when needed.


There was no need to belittle great fast bowlers for your own hateful agendas.

Afterall I have always been saying to the English fans here on PP. If you can't respect others you ain't getting none and its been long time your British empire has died so neither can you any longer force to demand respect. Your choice.
 
Lad must of sorted himself out a little. The way he was bowling in tests from what I've seen, he wasn't that quick, and he bowled in a way which I don't think you could achieve really fast speeds. Credit to him. He's a huge talent, but he's still raw and needs time to develop. Pick him in two years time, and I'm sure he'll be a demon of a bowler.
 
Looks like the strength and conditioning program from ECB did him a lot of good
 
He's a huge talent, but he's still raw and needs time to develop. Pick him in two years time, and I'm sure he'll be a demon of a bowler.
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I highly doubt this with surety ( I can speak from personal experience). The mental approach to fast bowling in England is not about being fast and furious and bowl your heart out. Rather a passive line and length mentality.

That is one of the biggest reasons they have never produced express pace bowlers like Imran Khan, Waqar Younis and Shoiab Akhtar.

Remember what was Imran Khan's Golden rule when both the W's were under his tutelage ? "No matter what happens, I don't want to you to slacken your pace"

Same was the message to Wasim during WC92.

It was this killer instinct that Imran Khan not only Instilled in the two W's but it seemed to catch with the fans as well. And Thus we produced another generation of fast Bowlers who could not become permanent part of Pakistan Team due to W's and Akhtar being at their top , such as Mohammed Zahid (about whom even australians admit that he was even more faster than Akhtar ! Ramiz Raja also confirms this !) , other names I cannot remember now. But I think I drove my point home.



This is something England has been missing for more than 50 years now.

And unless they change their mental approach to fast bowling they will never produced any great pacers like Akhtar or Lee.

Mark my words.
 
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Passionate-FastBowler said:
I highly doubt this with surety ( I can speak from personal experience). The mental approach to fast bowling in England is not about being fast and furious and bowl your heart out. Rather a passive line and length mentality.

That is one of the biggest reasons they have never produced express pace bowlers like Imran Khan, Waqar Younis and Shoiab Akhtar.

Remember what was Imran Khan's Golden rule when both the W's were under his tutelage ? "No matter what happens, I don't want to you to slacken your pace"

Same was the message to Wasim during WC92.

It was this killer instinct that Imran Khan not only Instilled in the two W's but it seemed to catch with the fans as well. And Thus we produced another generation of fast Bowlers who could not become permanent part of Pakistan Team due to W's and Akhtar being at their top , such as Mohammed Zahid (about whom even australians admit that he was even more faster than Akhtar ! Ramiz Raja also confirms this !) , other names I cannot remember now. But I think I drove my point home.



This is something England has been missing for more than 50 years now.

And unless they change their mental approach to fast bowling they will never produced any great pacers like Akhtar or Lee.

Mark my words.
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Don't really mean he'll become an express bowler, I mean he'll become a good fast bowler. Guy's got a knack for taking wickets, if he ups his pace a little, and improves his accuracy he'll take a lot of wickets.
 
ads101 said:
Don't really mean he'll become an express bowler, I mean he'll become a good fast bowler.
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Thankyou for clarifying. And neither he has the talent to become an express 98 mph bowler. Simple. That kind of talent is born not bred. :akhtar

[ I have no grudge against this Finn dude. And from what I have heard of him on personal level (through someone), he is a nice guy and in the last ODI, he was bowling much better than he was in summer 2010]
 
:))) I can't believe s2k actually thinks :kapil was better than Akhtar. Akhtar in his prime was easily the best bowler in the world, bar none.
 
I hope Finn develops further into an express demon (95+ mph), even though he seems like a bit of a douche.
 
What has English or Australian pitches got anything to do with the high pace?

Speed is measured at point of delivery so the pitch condition is not taken into account when the speed gun measures the delivery
 
IMO English is using china made speedguns , its showing 5 or 6kmph more.
Few of munaf's deliveries clocked 143++ :facepalm:

Still Finn bowled at express pace , lol at some of the PPers getting jealous.
He may not break records of Akhtar or Lee, but still he has got some advantage cos of speed.
 
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Finn is faster than any of the present Pakistani Bowlers viz Gul , Cheema, Junaid, Tanvir , Riaz .
 
Finn is faster than any bowler ever produced (across all time) by India. He is also quicker than our current crop, though Riaz' effort balls can hit 93-94mph.
 
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Finn is faster than any of the present Pakistani Bowlers viz Gul , Cheema, Junaid, Tanvir , Riaz .
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finn is also taller than two sachin tendulkars on top of each other , whats your point ??.. stick to the topic .
 
Passionate-FastBowler said:
all those 10 year old kids who still think steven finn in faster and much better fast bowler than Shoaib Akhtar, Actually forget to think for a moment in their jealousy of Pakistani talent , ..........

And that is , For steven finn to even come close to the quality and supreme of Akhtar he has to first beat his own peers. Namely James Anderson, Tim breson, Chris Tremlet, Stuart broad.

Honestly ? Do you really think Finn is better than these fine four pace attack bowlers mentioned above ? How can he even come close to Akhtar when he can't be even better than the current English fast bowling Attack?

In your hatred you just forgot that being much improved bowler doesn't mean the best.

He doesn't even have a spot in the team for that matter. Let Tremlet recover and England reach its full bench strength of the mentioned fast bowlers. Then Steven will either be demoted to squad or will be asked to return back to domestic and wait for a call-up when needed.


There was no need to belittle great fast bowlers for your own hateful agendas.

Afterall I have always been saying to the English fans here on PP. If you can't respect others you ain't getting none and its been long time your British empire has died so neither can you any longer force to demand respect. Your choice.
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Possibly the most insecure and irrelevant post I've seen all year. You're responding to points that nobody even made. God bless Shoaib Akhtar fans.
 
Haha, you know you're on a pakpassion pace thread when people are complaining about fixed speed guns & claiming that Shoaib Akhtar is still the fastest bowler in the world.

Finn really impressed me yesterday, not often you see an English bowler reaching 95mph. With his fast arm action, if Finn can develop a decent slower ball he could become absolutely deadly.
 
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Haha, you know you're on a pakpassion pace thread when people are complaining about fixed speed guns & claiming that Shoaib Akhtar is still the fastest bowler in the world.

Finn really impressed me yesterday, not often you see an English bowler reaching 95mph. With his fast arm action, if Finn can develop a decent slower ball he could become absolutely deadly.
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Well :akhtar did bowl a 159km/h (98-99mph) delivery during the WC against Sri Lanka...I dont see anybody else doing that right now.
 
The last time I saw an England bowler reach 95mph was Harmison about five years ago, and even that was touch and go. Maybe it was even longer ago than that.

The posts about fixed speed guns always make me laugh.
 
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Well :akhtar did bowl a 159km/h (98-99mph) delivery during the WC against Sri Lanka...I dont see anybody else doing that right now.
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Yeah, he's retired now though ;) All hail Finn, fastest bowler in the world!

Haha, seriously i echo Whippy's post. I don't give a stuff how fast our bowlers are as long as they keep bowling the opposition out.
 
Don't get me wrong - when Broad was serving up full, swinging, 90mph balls at the Indians in the test matches, it was edge-of-the-seat stuff. Genuine pace bowling is a real bonus of an aesthetic. However I remember the match result above anything.
 
velu said:
I doubt whether Finn can maintain that speed when he plays in subcontinent.
Seen Akhtar and Lee bowling at high 90s even in their third spells.
In WC game akhtar got Jwdene to a 156++ delivery.

Anyway i dont want to write Finn of, i am too bad in estimating fast bowlers :akhtar
( Thought Sohail Tanvir ll be next wasim after IPL 1 and he was not even picked for Pak team :facepalm: )
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Anna

Which world cup are you talking about ?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sAoCSVk34Uk

Here is Akhtar getting Jayawardena at a massive 138 kmph / 85 mph . Which 156 ++ delivery were you referring to ?

156 -160 are more like effort balls bowled by a bowler no1 can achieve them consistently right through the career .
 
why are Indians even posting in this thread?

They wouldnt know fast bowling even if it hit them in the head (Raina excepted)
 
rajan70 said:
Anna

Which world cup are you talking about ?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sAoCSVk34Uk

Here is Akhtar getting Jayawardena at a massive 138 kmph / 85 mph . Which 156 ++ delivery were you referring to ?

156 -160 are more like effort balls bowled by a bowler no1 can achieve them consistently right through the career .
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Thats why :akhtar is a legend..even the young bowlers cant do what he did at the age of 35, AFTER all the injuries he faced!
 
I don't know why some Pakistan fans think that English fans don't like or rate Pakistani bowling.

We find it fascinating and have the utmost respect for it - it's been making mincemeat of our batsmen for many years after all. Even last year when Akhtar was panting through overs and spraying the ball occasionally, the England players were clearly a bit frightened of him and the fans of both sides in the grounds were loving it. The famous spells of reverse swing from Gul were celebrated by all quarters.

There's a tendency amongst people outside of England to assume that redtop columns represent popular opinion, which is not necessarily the case! You get the odd lager lout, but the English cricket fanbase tends to be a bit cleverer and more classy than that.

So yes we are jealous - but in an admiring way, not in a bitter way.
 
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i don't know why some pakistan fans think that english fans don't like or rate pakistani bowling.

We find it fascinating and have the utmost respect for it - it's been making mincemeat of our batsmen for many years after all. Even last year when akhtar was panting through overs and spraying the ball occasionally, the england players were clearly a bit frightened of him and the fans of both sides in the grounds were loving it.

There's a tendency amongst people outside of england to assume that redtop columns represent popular opinion, which is not necessarily the case!

so yes we are jealous - but in an admiring way, not in a bitter way.
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:19:
 
Only Cummins who has real promise but he is a teenager.

We have bowlers coming through but only Cummins is express.
 
rajan70 said:
Anna

Which world cup are you talking about ?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sAoCSVk34Uk

Here is Akhtar getting Jayawardena at a massive 138 kmph / 85 mph . Which 156 ++ delivery were you referring to ?

156 -160 are more like effort balls bowled by a bowler no1 can achieve them consistently right through the career .
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sorry.. i am bit off target
still akhtar bowled the fastest delivary ( 98.8mph ) after dismissing Jwdene

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Well our four best young pace prospects all have or have recovered from back injuries so whatever approach we are taking it isn't working.

Starc and Pattinson are now back bowling, Hazelwood and Cummins put with back injuries.

There is no doubt off the field we have fallen behind England. Finn and Bresnan in particular are testament to that. England have a very good program now.
 
Mighty impressive and to think he is 22 and will only get quicker. Really exciting times ahead for the English cricket.

The managers around the English cricket also deserve some praise for the way they have handled him. In another team, he may have played all the games after his initial success and quickly burnt out.
 
The wealth of English (yes, English-born!) seam bowling talent around at the moment has given the management the luxury of properly resting a bowler now and again. Anderson and Broad have both benefited from this, and with his own weight work and conditioning either side of the Ashes, Finn just keeps getting fitter and faster. This system also encourages an environment of healthy competition and high professionalism.
 
Poison said:
:))) I can't believe s2k actually thinks :kapil was better than Akhtar. Akhtar in his prime was easily the best bowler in the world, bar none.
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He was never the best bowler in the world........never

And we are comparing careers and not primes........

Kapil's career more than Akhtar's any day.
 
Whippy said:
The last time I saw an England bowler reach 95mph was Harmison about five years ago, and even that was touch and go. Maybe it was even longer ago than that.

The posts about fixed speed guns always make me laugh.
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Prepare for more such posts,if Stuart Meaker starts clocking fast as well.....
 
s2k said:
Prepare for more such posts,if Stuart Meaker starts clocking fast as well.....
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If Stuart Meaker does it, I'll be really astonished.
Amongst the young guns, the only genuine future fast bowler that I see is Australia's Pat Cummins.
In fact, NZ's Adam Milne is a good candidate, too.
Hope they remain injury-free, Pat Cummins already suffering from this fast bowler's curse.
I'm not familiar with Pakistan's domestic set-up, but there are some names thrown, here and there.

Who in India's 1.2 billion population ? Isn't it pathetic that Varun Aaron, the Indian pace comet, was seen as a messiah by the Indian media whereas Steve Finn is underrated amongst English fans themselves, and turns out to be better ?
 
any bowler bowling express should be celebrated. Looks like England is again joining the rich tradition of Australia, West Indies, South Africa, Pakistan and New Zealand.
 
s2k said:
He was never the best bowler in the world........never

And we are comparing careers and not primes........

Kapil's career more than Akhtar's any day.
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:))) :)))

it's posts like where indian posters lose all the credibility regarding fast bowling.

Just stop talkng about fast bowling will you please?

no wonder you guys have not produced one fast bowler in your entire history. You guys dont even know what fast bowling is.
 
octavian said:
:))) :)))

it's posts like where indian posters lose all the credibility regarding fast bowling.

Just stop talkng about fast bowling will you please?

no wonder you guys have not produced one fast bowler in your entire history. You guys dont even know what fast bowling is.
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434 wickets to 178..........speaks for itself.........just hurling the ball at 150ks desnt make you a legend.....

Please keep your credibility ratings on Indians with yourself.......hardly the man to rate other posters........
 
s2k said:
434 wickets to 178..........speaks for itself.........just hurling the ball at 150ks desnt make you a legend.....

Please keep your credibility ratings on Indians with yourself.......hardly the man to rate other posters........
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Kapil was not a FAST bowler. The comparison ends there.

I dont't rate you. You rate yourselvs by comparing kapil with akhtar when it comes to being a fast bowler.
 
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If you wanna be indian and still go into stats, here is the complete picture.

Kapil 434 wickets @29.64 in 131 matches.
Shoaib 178 wickets@25.69 in 46 matches.

Shoaib could easily have slowed down and played 100 tests but he chose to bowl fast and play as many matches as he could. This might be too much to comprehend for an indian mentality, hence no fast bowlers for you. :soupnazi
 
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