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It's rare that you'll see a genuine act of cheating in the game of cricket, but this guy certainly has the capacity to do so. He looks like you couldn't trust him as far as you could throw him anyway, but he has just hit a new low.

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Smith to Pietersen, no run, tossed up and Pietersen drives back to Smith, who dives and nearly makes a catch, but there's no reaction from anyone. Hold on, though, Smith is saying he's not sure if he's taken it. He's come up with the ball clutched to his body. Asad Rauf believes it's not out but checks with the third umpire, who can easily see that ball has hit the hands, bounced while Smith is diving and then he has clutched it to his chest. Not out.
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In my words: Pietersen hits it back to Smith the bowler in the air, Smith clearly drops the ball and lays on it (the moment where the umpires cannot see the ball), and rolls over onto his back with the ball in his hand, half-appealing the umpire for a catch, and saying 'I'm not sure'.

Sorry, but that is totally pathetic.

The clear bounce from Cookie to Phil Hughes at short leg in Sydney, which Australia also claimed a catch for, looked bad enough, but Smith cannot even try and pretend on this occasion.

David Gower currently ripping the little sod to shreds on commentary, and rightly so.

Video hopefully forthcoming.
 
how is he cheating if he told the umpire he's not sure. I mean he cant really get away with it if he is telling them he's not sure. Now if he just got up and celebrated, that would be more like cheating.
 
He dropped it and it bounced several times. He should get up and walk away.
 
Kind of similar to the Rashid Latif incident.
 
good. aussies are kicking the @ss of pomes at the moment. game over for you guys. no wonder its sour grapes. i was backing england but they let me down yet again.
 
Englandis Phir Ro Rahe Hein.

They are getting serious phainty from aussies in ODIs
 
Desire said:
good. aussies are kicking the @ss of pomes at the moment. game over for you guys. no wonder its sour grapes. i was backing england but they let me down yet again.
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England were doing fine when this incident occurred and I posted. No sour grapes from me at all.
 
He should have known that he didn't catch it - but at least he indicated to the umpire that he was not sure rather than celebrating and acting like he did take it cleanly.
 
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Khabri420 said:
He should have known that he didn't catch - but at least he indicated to the umpire that he was not sure rather than celebrating and acting like he did take it cleanly.
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There is no 'unsure'. He was sure that he hadn't caught it. He felt it drop and the bounce back was severe, everything was deliberate. There is NO defence for him. I'm disappointed that the usual tools are just talking about England instead of Smith, but not surprised. The incident is a damning one - end of.
 
Whippy said:
There is no 'unsure'. He was sure that he hadn't caught it. He felt it drop and the bounce back was severe, everything was deliberate. There is NO defence for him. I'm disappointed that the usual tools are just talking about England instead of Smith, but not surprised. The incident is a damning one - end of.
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Not defending him at all, so hold on to your horses there.

Yes, end of - MODS please close this thread :13:
 
emclub said:
I watched the incident......its not like he started celebrating....he asked the umpire to check 3rd Umpire as he wasn't sure.......
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And you really think, watching everything, that he could have thought it might have been a clean catch? If so, I despair
 
Whippy said:
And you really think, watching everything, that he could have thought it might have been a clean catch? If so, I despair
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no I think he knew but he didn't celebrate.....its not like he celebrated ... you can say it wasn't right according to the spirit of the game but calling him a cheat is OTT
 
emclub said:
no I think he knew but he didn't celebrate.....its not like he celebrated ... you can say it wasn't right according to the spirit of the game but calling him a cheat is OTT
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England Fans are just looking for a reason to distract them from their team's horrible performance in ODIs :P
 
Not looking for an excuse at all :) My feelings are clear in the match thread
 
One of the reasons I hate Ian Bell is that I've seen him do the same thing more than once, including at County level. Dig out the video of Bell against Pakistan referred to in one of the posts above and it probably makes for worse watching.

Whip, I know it's frustrating when people do it at key points, but if Smith is a cheat, Bell is a far bigger cheat. He pushes the rules too.
 
Whenever I see the Bell caught and bowled at Yousuf I still can't believe it was given out with Taufel on the field AND the use of technology. Terrible example of cheating.
 
It's not cheating. He asked the umps to review it because he didn't know what happened (did he catch it, or not). I know its hard seeing your team throw wickets away and look in a very precarious position regarding the match and the series, but doesn't mean you have to call someone a cheat. I've seen English, Pakistan, Indian etc do the same doesn't mean they're all doing the same.
 
I dont agree with OP's opinion, especially when smith went to umpire. However,

The thing i find funny is "measured" comments from PP'ers, I wonder if everyone was this understanding if this was against pakistan.
 
Sherlock said:
It's not cheating. He asked the umps to review it because he didn't know what happened (did he catch it, or not). I know its hard seeing your team throw wickets away and look in a very precarious position regarding the match and the series, but doesn't mean you have to call someone a cheat. I've seen English, Pakistan, Indian etc do the same doesn't mean they're all doing the same.
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We were doing fine in the match, probably favourites to win, when I saw the incident and posted the thread. No sour grapes at all pal. If I see cheating, I will point it out. I say it as I see it and won't be convinced otherwise on this occasion.
 
Whippy said:
Whenever I see the Bell caught and bowled at Yousuf I still can't believe it was given out with Taufel on the field AND the use of technology. Terrible example of cheating.
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Well said, sir.

Guys,

Just because Whippy is English, and some English players in the past may have cheated, does not mean Whippy cannot point out cheating when other players do it!

That would be absurd - would mean all of us Pakistan fans could never comment on any aspect of cricket, given various leading Pak players have, at various times, been guilty of ball tampering, cheating, pitch tampering, match fixing, spot fixing, dissent, spectator hitting, team mate hitting, etc etc etc! ;-)

Similarly, bringing up Ian Bell in this thread is a bit trite.
 
Whippy said:
Whenever I see the Bell caught and bowled at Yousuf I still can't believe it was given out with Taufel on the field AND the use of technology. Terrible example of cheating.
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[On a side note, that type of cheating umpiring from you know who and then the subsequent shockers on the return England - Pak series that led to Ovalgate. The ball-tampering accusation was one last throw of the dice by Darrell Hair after Pak had absorbed all of his astoundingly biased decisions with dignity, which was noted by a number of english journos too, albeit in hushed circles.

People look at Ovalgate in isolation but it wasn't a knee-jerk reaction by Inzi, Pak had been speaking to the ICC way before that about the decisions being made and Hair's general attitude towards Pak but the ICC deliberately kept him in for test after test after test, despite being presented with the video evidence.

It's one of the reasons I don't really trust the ICC to administer the case against the three players, despite having distingushed judges on the panel.

That Bell decision wasn't the worst in that series either.]

Back on topic, Smith was out of order.
 
SOSami said:
[On a side note, that type of cheating umpiring from you know who and then the subsequent shockers on the return England - Pak series that led to Ovalgate. The ball-tampering accusation was one last throw of the dice by Darrell Hair after Pak had absorbed all of his astoundingly biased decisions with dignity, which was noted by a number of english journos too, albeit in hushed circles.

People look at Ovalgate in isolation but it wasn't a knee-jerk reaction by Inzi, Pak had been speaking to the ICC way before that about the decisions being made and Hair's general attitude towards Pak but the ICC deliberately kept him in for test after test after test, despite being presented with the video evidence.

It's one of the reasons I don't really trust the ICC to administer the case against the three players, despite having distingushed judges on the panel.

That Bell decision wasn't the worst in that series either.]
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And a very cogent side-note it is, too. :)
 
Whippy said:
Frustrating, no?
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Thing is Pakistan has always had decisions like that and others go against them. Yes it frustrating, but don't call someone a cheat if you don't know what Smith was thinking when he asked for the review. You honestly think he would want to look like a idiot when the replays showed the ball bounced, I think not.

The Bell decision was one of the worst I'd seen when I watched that Live. No comparisons with the Smith example.
 
Sherlock said:
The Bell decision was one of the worst I'd seen when I watched that Live. No comparisons with the Smith example.
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That's because one was given out, and one wasn't. And because you're a Pakistan fan.
 
Aus do cheat a lot, so i'm not suprised by this incident though i havent seen it.

Could someone please post an video of the incident
 
Whippy, as I said mate it hasn't happened to you it's happened to everyone. Jeez you're making it sound like it was the greatest cheating since Biting-gate.

Of course I'm Pakistani, should that mean I don't have an opinion? You're posting on a Pakistani Forum about a decision that went against England, so not everyone is going to agree with you. Yes that Bell decision was worse because it was given "out", and the Smith appeal wasn't. It was hardly the worst cheating ever now was it!
 
I wonder how would have so called Pakistani fans reacted if any of the Pkaistani player did that?
 
Why are you making it a Pakistani issue? It's got nothing to do with Pakistan.
 
Rudi hater said:
I wonder how would have so called Pakistani fans reacted if any of the Pkaistani player did that?
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The same way really - Smith was roasted by the commentators.

Can't really claim bias in this incident.
 
Btw , what do you mean "if", it has happened to Pakistan, not once, not twice but numerous times. It was an epic cock-up by Bell, it was made worse because the wicket was given.

But don't say the Smith incident was the worst. Gower can easily slate an opponent yet when Bell does it I remember Botham not mentioning the bounce. I guess its easier to protect your own.
 
But, there was no better obvious cheating than the Brad Haddin flicking the bails and claiming bowled vs NZ(don't remember the batsman). Aussies are renowned for cheating.
 
I dont think smith cheated. I think he wanted umpire to check whether there was any chance the ball didnt hit ground. It was an act of desperation on his part, because england had this good partnership going on, but definately not cheating.
And i understand why OP thinks smith cheated. If smith has done same thing against pakistan many pakistanis would have same feeling the op is having. But as neutral i can say it was an act of desperation.
 
I thought these ODIs were meaningless Whipster and thus, anything occurring is meaningless? :P I am sure you will forget it in a year, you will only remember the Ashes victory and STeve Smith will be your favourite player :P
 
The point is it happens and has happened to alot of players english and aussies inckuded..why make a big issue out of it? Move on, Aussies leading.
 
I think you would know wether you droppped the ball or not...
Smith: "I`m not sure"

Yeah right....:kami:kami
 
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Just because Ian Bell has been brought up here, it was quite obvious to see Hair was the one who gave the decision and was adamant not to go to the 3rd umpire despite the batsman hanging around.

Taufell went to Hair, Hair said its out, not much Taufell can do.

I didn't see the S.Smith one today
 
What is the difference between someone appealing to the umpire for a bump catch and someone appealing for an lbw they know has pitched outside leg (but are trying their luck anyway)?

How about a bouncer which has clearly brushed a shoulder or arm guard but the bowler appeals anyway in the hope he gets lucky?

We see threads for the first scenario but not the second. If Smith is a cheat then so is every bowler who plays test cricket right now.
 
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Gabbar Singh said:
What is the difference between someone appealing to the umpire for a bump catch and someone appealing for an lbw they know has pitched outside leg
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Unless they have a built-in Hawkeye in their brain, its very difficult for a bowler / fielder to know the latter for sure.

They might suspect it or guess it, but it would be difficult to know it with certainty after seeing it live just once - unless its a silly appeal for something that pitched a foot outside leg.
 
It is Part of game. Cricket is like a war and everything is fair in love and war.
 
ShehryarK said:
Unless they have a built-in Hawkeye in their brain, its very difficult for a bowler / fielder to know the latter for sure.

They might suspect it or guess it, but it would be difficult to know it with certainty after seeing it live just once - unless its a silly appeal for something that pitched a foot outside leg.
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Well what about a last session of a test match with the fielding side needing 6 or 7 wickets for a win. Men around the bat and spinners are on. They appeal like madmen for absolutely anything. Every ball is a bat, pad catch according to the fielders.

Why is this different to what Smith did.

They are simply trying it on - it's part of the game sadly.


Or how about this:

Are we saying KP did not know this struck the batsman way outside off stump? He is either blind or a cheat.

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oh and if one of us had made this thread we are over reacting as usual lol

he said he was not sure...ur hanging out on this too much whippy it seems some of these guys are rubbing off on u lol to make this thread
 
Forget KP this Broady special is even better

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Just from a personal point of view I recall someone calling me a cheat a few years ago in a club game when he insisted that I had nicked the ball when I had known I did not and the umpire agreed. The thing is my blood really boiled when someone labels you a cheat just because he did not get the decision he wanted.

I have not seen the incident but only Smith knows whether he is a cheat or not.
 
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As ShehryarK bhai has said already, Whippy has already conceded England players (like Bell) have done the same thing in the past.

Doesn't mean we can't discuss Smith's actions and whether it's cheating or not (which I personally think it was) without digging out England misdemeanours in the past. Two wrongs don't make a right and all that...
 
Can't really comment unless someone posts a video of the 'incident'?
 
Exactly my point. It was given not out, yet we get a thread stating Smith is a cheat. When Fans of Pakistan do the same English/Aussies fans say don't overreact, lol.
 
It happens way too often. Good thing for technology and neutral umpires, I guess
 
zarak said:
how is he cheating if he told the umpire he's not sure. I mean he cant really get away with it if he is telling them he's not sure. Now if he just got up and celebrated, that would be more like cheating.
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Yeah he wasn't cheating, he was just being utterly stupid thinking somehow the cameras have missed the ball bouncing on the ground and him rolling over it and getting his on hand on would make it seem as if he caught it. Kinda like how Afridi thought he would blatantly dug his teeth into the ball infront of millions of cameras yet somehow he would get away with saying he was just smelling it.
 
Seriously every cricket fan would not and should not justify Smith's behaviour in any way, since its England and we're dealing with Pakistani fans here, expect everyone to call it a Holy act. Ridiculous to some people seeing as an opportunity to midsling instead of disapproving Smith's idioctic behavour. Makes me wonder what would've been the common reaction in this thread if it was an English player who'd done what Smith did.
 
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When the captain of England is cheating, what sort of behaviour do you expect from the opposition?
 
No-one's saying it wasn't idiotic, they're saying its hard to prove it was a case of cheating.

I've genuinely caught a ball at club cricket level thinking I caught it, but didn't realise it bounced just before it hit my hands. My team-mates said as much.
Doesn't mean I was cheating. Some people need to realise just because its England it doesn't mean people will agree with everything the claim.
 
Rana said:
When the captain of England is cheating, what sort of behaviour do you expect from the opposition?
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So its okay for opposition to spot fix, match fix, pitch dance, ball biting etc if they're playing against Pakistan?

What kind of pathetic logic is that?
 
Sherlock said:
No-one's saying it wasn't idiotic, they're saying its hard to prove it was a case of cheating.

I've genuinely caught a ball at club cricket level thinking I caught it, but didn't realise it bounced just before it hit my hands. My team-mates said as much.
Doesn't mean I was cheating. Some people need to realise just because its England it doesn't mean people will agree with everything the claim.
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Oh here comes the same old England bitching. England didn't claim anything dude, it was the replays that showed the ball bouncing and as far as I'm concerned, channel nine, an Aussie channel provided the match coverage. Whippy is entitled to his opinion, just like PPers riped apart Strauss for not walking after a genuine edge (which is lot more in cricket than claiming a wrong catch). I know him being an Englishman doesn't help here, but some of you guys need to get over your prejudice and stop dismissing views based on one's nationality and race.
 
MC said:
So its okay for opposition to spot fix, match fix, pitch dance, ball biting etc if they're playing against Pakistan?

What kind of pathetic logic is that?
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What do you mean? Why dont you ask your Straussy whether he really deserved that odi series? Whether he was pleased whit that match winning hundred that really shouldnt have counted???

This is the rubbish thing about England and their fans, they dish out the nonesense but dont have the balls to take it!
 
I am DELIGHTED Aussies are smashing them in ODI's....long may it continue :D
 
Rana said:
What do you mean? Why dont you ask your Straussy whether he really deserved that odi series? Whether he was pleased whit that match winning hundred that really shouldnt have counted???

This is the rubbish thing about England and their fans, they dish out the nonesense but dont have the balls to take it!
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Same applies to some Pakistani fans. So much for Strauss making an 'undeserved' hundred, how about answering the question I asked in the post you replied to?

I'd love to see how hypocrites like you will hit the roof when a non Pakistani player starts pitch dancing and ball biting, because its perfectly fine to indulge in dodgy activities as long as your opposition had done the similar deeds. Forget about undeserved 100's and 50's, some of the Pakistan players don't even deserve to play cricket for the crap they'd done. I'm sure you agree with that?
 
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Whippy said:
It's rare that you'll see a genuine act of cheating in the game of cricket, but this guy certainly has the capacity to do so. He looks like you couldn't trust him as far as you could throw him anyway, but he has just hit a new low.



In my words: Pietersen hits it back to Smith the bowler in the air, Smith clearly drops the ball and lays on it (the moment where the umpires cannot see the ball), and rolls over onto his back with the ball in his hand, half-appealing the umpire for a catch, and saying 'I'm not sure'.

Sorry, but that is totally pathetic.

The clear bounce from Cookie to Phil Hughes at short leg in Sydney, which Australia also claimed a catch for, looked bad enough, but Smith cannot even try and pretend on this occasion.

David Gower currently ripping the little sod to shreds on commentary, and rightly so.

Video hopefully forthcoming.
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This thread seems to have spread some arms and legs, and going in all directions.

Anyhow, I was watching the match this morning when Smith pulled that stunt. Personally I thought it was really funny, as he has made himself look like the BIGGEST idiot in world cricket. He kept looking at his right hand and then slowly he looked at his left and and saw the ball in it and looked as if he could'nt believe it was actually in his hand.

He had the look of a really crap magician who couldn't beleive his magic trick actually worked. What a complete plonker!
 
MC said:
Same applies to some Pakistani fans. So much for Strauss making an 'undeserved' hundred, how about answering the question I asked in the post you replied to?

I'd love to see how hypocrites like you will hit the roof when a non Pakistani player starts pitch dancing and ball biting, because its perfectly fine to indulge in dodgy activities as long as your opposition had done the similar deeds. Forget about undeserved 100's and 50's, some of the Pakistan players don't even deserve to play cricket for the crap they'd done. I'm sure you agree with that?
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Not everyone is perfect at covering it up like england are. what about the ball stepping, tampering your players have done. Abusing oppositions, chucking balls at batsmen???
 
Rana said:
Not everyone is perfect at covering it up like england are. what about the ball stepping, tampering your players have done. Abusing oppositions, chucking balls at batsmen???
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....As if you lot don't rip them apart for doing the things they did?

Don't even bother wailing about certain England fans defending/covering their players, its not like Pakistani fans don't go on extreme lengths to defend their players no matter what the situation is.
 
MC said:
....As if you lot don't rip them apart for doing the things they did?

Don't even bother wailing about certain England fans defending/covering their players, its not like Pakistani fans don't go on extreme lengths to defend their players no matter what the situation is.
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So why dont you just accept it? If you do it yourself and not justify it, why do you blame others?

'taali kabhi aik haath se nahin bajti!'
 
I disagree Whippy.

Steve Smith is as dumb as a doorknob. He probably actually forgot the rules of cricket and claimed the catch, and it took about 20 seconds for thought processes to begin inside his brain after which he realised if a ball bounces a catch cannot be claimed.
 
Rana said:
So why dont you just accept it? If you do it yourself and not justofy it, why do you blame others?

'taali kabhi aik haath se nahin bajti!'
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Sorry but I don't think I ever justified claiming a wrong catch or ball tempering, but just because I'm an England supporter, it means I have no right to disapprove Smith's behaviour? I guess next time some bowler balantly bits the ball, Pakistan fans will have no rigth to even raise a finger since them being Pakistani fans automatically means each and every one of them justify Afridi's ball biting.



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