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Steven Smith is a cheat

What are you talking about MC. When Afridi bit the ball, he was slated by everyone on this board. You may get the usual minority whom claim innocence no matter what. Why are you so upset we don't agree with what the OP said. Sweet lord, it's about opinions, otherwise what are you doing here.

Its funny how we're bigots because we don't think Smith cheated, I'm sure there's irony somewhere there.
 
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MC said:
Sorry but I don't think I ever justified claiming a wrong catch or ball tempering, but just because I'm an England supporter, it means I have no right to disapprove Smith's behaviour? I guess next time some bowler balantly bits the ball, Pakistan fans will have no rigth to even raise a finger since them being Pakistani fans automatically means each and every one of them justifies Afridi's ball biting.
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Look mate, your not getting the point. Read every post in this thread and see wether Steven Smith completly claimed the catch. You will come to find out that he said that he was unsure. Now, it doesnt make sense to label him as a 'cheat' for saying he was unsure and the decision going against him anyways. The fact that this thread comes from an England supporter is obviously gonna make sparkes fly, because we have suffered dearly at the hands of Strauss's so called 'sportsmanship'.

You are right about how we defend our players, if we dont, then nobody actually does nowadays. Pakistan Cricket only has its hardcore fans. But then again, we accept reality as well. We hate those who cheat their nation.
 
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Rana said:
Look mate, your not getting the point. Read every post in this thread and see wether Steven Smith completly claimed the catch. You will come to find out that he said that he was unsure. Now, it doesnt make sense to label him as a 'cheat' for saying he was unsure and the decision going against him anyways. The fact that this thread comes from an England supporter is obviously gonna make sparkes fly, because we have suffered dearly at the hands of Strauss's so called 'sportsmanship'.

You are right about how we defend our players, if we dont, then nobody actually does nowadays. Pakistan Cricket only has its hardcore fans.
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LOL...

You know Strauss also said something about him being unsure about the edge, so how about you follow your own logic and don't call Strauss a cheat, because it doesn't make sense to call him cheat since he wasn't sure enough to begin with? Right?
 
MC said:
LOL...

You know Strauss also said something about him being unsure about the edge, so how about you follow your own logic and don't call Strauss a cheat, because it doesn't make sense to call him cheat since he wasn't sure enough to begin with? Right?
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What a joke! How could he be 'unsure'. He knew it, looked down to the ground and blanked the world. Not once, but on a number of occasions.

In the Test series, he got edged, didnt walk, as soon as pakistan opted for review, started walking before the replays were shown on the big screen! Every England fan knows what he did.
 
MC ... let it go before you pop an hernia. Lost causes are in abundance here nowadays.
 
Sherlock said:
What are you talking about MC. When Afridi bit the ball, he was slated by everyone on this board. You may get the usual minority whom claim innocence no matter what. Why are you so upset we don't agree with what the OP said. Sweet lord, it's about opinions, otherwise what are you doing here.

Its funny how we're bigots because we don't think Smith cheated, I'm sure there's irony somewhere there.
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Haha, you think I'm only talking about a single OP? Dude I think I've read enough stuff from some members on this board to have that impression.
 
Rana said:
What a joke! How could he be 'unsure'. He knew it, looked down to the ground and blanked the world. Not once, but on a number of occasions.

In the Test series, he got edged, didnt walk, as soon as pakistan opted for review, started walking before the replays were shown on the big screen! Every England fan knows what he did.
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What a joke! How could be unsure that bowl had bounced right infront of your eyes, he rolled over it and got hold of it?

You are simply flip flopping, from 'oh he wasn't sure so we can't brand the poor chap as a cheat', to yes yes he cheated because I was so sure of what he did, who cares if he said he wasn't sure? Make your mind up and show some consistency.
 
MC said:
What a joke! How could be unsure that bowl had bounced right infront of your eyes, he rolled over it and go hold of it?

You are simply flip flopping, from 'oh he wasn't sure so we can't brand the poor chap as a cheat', to yes yes he cheated because I was so sure of what he did, who cares if he said he wasn't sure? Make your mind up and show some consistency.
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im not even talking about that. Im talking about the caught behind during the odi series v pakistan. When Gul had him up!

and the incident youre talking about
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eFRCkCngEb4

For crying out loud, this thread is a failure.
 
Rana said:
im not even talking about that. Im talking about the caught behind during the odi series v pakistan. When Gul had him up!

and the incident youre talking about
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eFRCkCngEb4

For crying out loud, this thread is a failure.
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I think I was talking about the same incident and yes he did say he wasn't sure that he edged it. But I guess you won't buy it because he wears an England shirt for folks like thats naturally enough to demonise him...
 
OMG.The guy's a renowned cheater and this clip proves it


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ShehryarK said:
Well said, sir.

Guys,

Just because Whippy is English, and some English players in the past may have cheated, does not mean Whippy cannot point out cheating when other players do it!

That would be absurd - would mean all of us Pakistan fans could never comment on any aspect of cricket, given various leading Pak players have, at various times, been guilty of ball tampering, cheating, pitch tampering, match fixing, spot fixing, dissent, spectator hitting, team mate hitting, etc etc etc! ;-)

Similarly, bringing up Ian Bell in this thread is a bit trite.
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that was exactly my thought... some posters just are sounding as hypocrates
 
I honestly don't know how old MC is. But the way he's posting, I reckon mid-to-late teens. You basically painted many posters on here as bigots. That's very classy.

I'm sure if you go to a English cricket forum you'd be banned if you even dared utter trash like that. You're lucky you're in a very good stable environment known as Pakpassion. Bigots is a term is very derogatory and uncalled for. Over sensitive and emotional would of been better words to describe some fans here. You need to grow up, and fast.
 
Well I saw that Smith incident live and it really looked silly. For a very long time he didn't have any of his hands on the ball and his body was over the ball, hence he was sure the ball landed on the ground so why he suddenly became unsure only he knows.

And Bell, Broad etc has nothing to do with this thread.
 
@ Shehryar, it's not about being English, it's about the sheer hypocrisy of some posters, whom post various replies to Pak fans to "calm down" or "don't get overly emotional", yet these same posters do the same and then want debate about how they are right.

Ridiculous.
 
England are whining again. It always starts up when they go to their typical losing ways.
 
FastBowler said:
England are whining again. It always starts up when they go to their typical losing ways.
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How hard is it to admit something silly did happen in the match? I guess most of you probably don't know, but England lost three back to back matches earlier yet there was no drama, no whining. I wonder why...
 
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cheating or not

Umm, its not just Smith. I have noticed that player are rolling the dice by saying that 'not sure if i caught it' knowing full well that it was not out. It goes to the third umpire and if it goes in favor of catcher then great; otherwise, catcher is not really a cheat.

I did not see the play, but i have seen plays such as these lately. Just couple of days ago mucullum? took a catch where i would think that he knew it was not out, but it went to the third umpire.

Anyway, Oz do their best to utilize the rules to their benefit, but i do not find them to be blatant cheats.
 
O God....here comes the English Cheat brigade... As soon as they lose, they start shouting "Cheat! Cheat!" Initially, I thought it was a stereotype but now I am getting a feeling that maybe its just in their genes!
 
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It was cheating or poor sportsmanship. Whatever you wish to call it.

It was a clever attempt at hoping the ball was concealed from the camera. There have been cases in the past where decisions come down to personal interpretation (on the 3rd umpire's part) and Smith was trying to exploit that.

There is no doubt in my mind that he knew it bounced. Absolutely absurd to think there was any doubt about him grassing that. It wasn't even like some of those close ones where the fielder dives forward and it just bounces in front of his fingers.
 
I never thought a **** can get worked more than a Pakistani on these matters. But here we have it...

I am afraid to think what if he was actually given out wrongly as it happens on occassions with Pakistani players I can see Whippy taking a flight to down under to take care of some unfinished business.
 
MC said:
No I don't understand why can't you use the word bigots to describe some of the Pakistani fans, (what gives the immunity?) yet everyone loves to hurl around this word every time a non Pakistani is in question? I've read plenty of stuff from certain members regarding England, and I don't give a toss if you agree or not, but some of them are indeed full of prejudice and hate.
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I donno what you are talking about! I have heard the usage of this word by the Brits the most. Their talk shows are full of it. Nobody else uses it as extensively as them anywhere in the world (take Canada for example). Blaming Pakistani posters for the usage is blatantly wrong! Maybe, the Pakistani posters living in Britain use it, but you should know where they learned its usage from!
 
Whippy said:
It's rare that you'll see a genuine act of cheating in the game of cricket, but this guy certainly has the capacity to do so. He looks like you couldn't trust him as far as you could throw him anyway, but he has just hit a new low.



In my words: Pietersen hits it back to Smith the bowler in the air, Smith clearly drops the ball and lays on it (the moment where the umpires cannot see the ball), and rolls over onto his back with the ball in his hand, half-appealing the umpire for a catch, and saying 'I'm not sure'.

Sorry, but that is totally pathetic.

The clear bounce from Cookie to Phil Hughes at short leg in Sydney, which Australia also claimed a catch for, looked bad enough, but Smith cannot even try and pretend on this occasion.

David Gower currently ripping the little sod to shreds on commentary, and rightly so.

Video hopefully forthcoming.
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Australia are cheat. and SA over rated. only england player are honest. even though if it with big edge with bat, they can show to umpire it hit the shirt. but they are still most honest players.
 
MC said:
No I don't understand why can't you use the word bigots to describe some of the Pakistani fans, (what gives the immunity?) yet everyone loves to hurl around this word every time a non Pakistani is in question? I've read plenty of stuff from certain members regarding England, and I don't give a toss if you agree or not, but some of them are indeed full of prejudice and hate.
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You're right, it doesn't and shouldn't give us immunity. But to suggest posters on PP are Bigots because they're views regarding England or other countries differ from yours is extremely childish and shameful.

Now if I named you aswell as many other non Pak fans as Bigots, I'd be pulled upon for being a typical anti-[insert country] fan.

It's rather pathetic really. Maybe we should all have happy, hand-holding, dreamy posts where everyone agrees upon every issue.
 
Well he said he wasn't sure, so I reckon that's fair enough.
 
Sherlock said:
You're right, it doesn't and shouldn't give us immunity. But to suggest posters on PP are Bigots because they're views regarding England or other countries differ from yours is extremely childish and shameful.

Now if I named you aswell as many other non Pak fans as Bigots, I'd be pulled upon for being a typical anti-[insert country] fan.

It's rather pathetic really. Maybe we should all have happy, hand-holding, dreamy posts where everyone agrees upon every issue.
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Seems like you are purposely trying to ignore my point to justify some of the childish and shameful behaviour of some PPers.I think I know how to distinguish between healthy difference of opinion and the constant display of resentment and prejudice. You can choose to believe that I'm basing my impression on few silly posts in this thread, but to me this thread is simply reinforcing the impression I ended up having after reading the signature anti England BS that you often find on this forum.

A thread about Smith's dodgy catch turned out to be an England/Strauss/Bell/Broad bashing thread because its started by an English fella. Thats indeed very classy and I won't even bother imagining the age of the some of the posters involved.

PS: I'm a Pakistani myself and feel free to call me more than just a bigot when I start resenting and discriminating individuals based on their nationality.
 
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Strauss is a renowned cheat.

I remember during the Pak-Eng series, Pak appealed and the ump gave it not out Strauss stood there though he was out, but as soon as Pak decided to refer it he waked straight away.
 
Impala_KaifTamasha said:
Strauss is a renowned cheat.

I remember during the Pak-Eng series, Pak appealed and the ump gave it not out Strauss stood there though he was out, but as soon as Pak decided to refer it he waked straight away.
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These guys are the biggest cheats and do anything to win, they have a real unsportsman like spirit perhaps with the exception of Pietersen.

When the tables are turned a bit they cry like babies. Typical English attitude in every sport.

This type of stuff goes on in cricket yet when it happens to England they bleat about it as if they are morally superior.
 
DeadlyVenom said:
These guys are the biggest cheats and do anything to win, they have a real unsportsman like spirit perhaps with the exception of Pietersen.

When the tables are turned a bit they cry like babies. Typical English attitude in every sport.

This type of stuff goes on in cricket yet when it happens to England they bleat about it as if they are morally superior.
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Remember Jelly Bean Gate, they all do it bhai.

All teams cheat occasionally though some teams get away with it a lot more than others. (Basically everyone barring Pak).
 
MC, I made a point regarding your posts about bigots, now if you don't want to admit what I wrote and purposely avoid it, you're either not reading it properly or are actually blurry eyed.

I'm not a bigot because I thought Smith didn't cheat, I live in the UK, my favourite players in the English team are Morgan and Trott, doesn't mean I can't have a point-of-view without it being made into a bigoted stance. I think you should distinguish those whom have a genuine retort to those whom you think are intolerable to your nation.

Lastly this board shouldn't be used for any sort of slurs. It's wrong, pure and simple.
 
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Looks like Warne. Bats like Warne. Now it seems appeals like Warne.

...but still Bowls like Ian Salisbury!
 
MC said:
How hard is it to admit something silly did happen in the match? I guess most of you probably don't know, but England lost three back to back matches earlier yet there was no drama, no whining. I wonder why...
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Series was still open thats why :)). As soon as the series was down the pan the excuses began.......
 
This hits the nail on the head.

It was a clever attempt at hoping the ball was concealed from the camera. There have been cases in the past where decisions come down to personal interpretation (on the 3rd umpire's part) and Smith was trying to exploit that.
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You have to remember catches which could not been confirmed by the umpires were accepted on the fielders word.

In the good old days the batsmen, umpire and fans would simply accept the catchers view. If he said he caught it then the batsmen would walk off.

Now because of technology we have players claiming catches because they know sometimes the video evidence is inconclusive and they may get the decision.

To me this is blatant cheating and happens all to regular. McCullum tried it the other night when the ball bouncd inches short.

However England have a poor record fo doing this and although I sympathise with Wippy, he has no grounds to complain. :)
 
DeadlyVenom said:
Series was still open thats why :)). As soon as the series was down the pan the excuses began.......
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Well you are just fluffing for sake of fluffing. How is Smith's silly 'catch' which wasn't even given out could be seen as an excuse? I didn't see anything about Smith's dodgy catch in media (though I last checked in the morning) I thought the news was about England having an ugly collapse to the series defeat?
 
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Well you are just fluffing for sake of fluffing. How is Smith's silly 'catch' which wasn't even an out could be seen as an excuse? I didn't see anything about Smith's dodgy catch in media (though I checked in the morning) I thought the news was about England having an ugly collapse to the series defeat?
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The post I first quotes said "there was no drama no whining". I thought you were talking about things other than the smith incident. Sorry :amir
 
Looks as bad as the Roger Harper vs Bevan incident where he claimed the catch and Bevan didn't walk. Bevan proceeded to win that game by hitting a four of the last ball.
 
All this calling of people as "cheats" is fairly ridiculous.

When you get a squash catch like that, somtimes you think you have caught it clean and you have not, sometimes you don't think you have caught it but you have, and sometimes you are not sure.

Doesn't make you a cheat if you genuinely get it wrong.
 
pinger said:
All this calling of people as "cheats" is fairly ridiculous.

When you get a squash catch like that, somtimes you think you have caught it clean and you have not, sometimes you don't think you have caught it but you have, and sometimes you are not sure.

Doesn't make you a cheat if you genuinely get it wrong.
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You haven't seen the catch have you?

It went in his hands, he dropped it (it rolled on the ground for two seconds) and then he scooped it again.

How in the world can he claim innocence for that?!
 
Can anyone post the video of Steven Smith cheating. He looks like a cheat anyway, I can't believe England lost the series, still sad.
 
When Andrew Strauss blatantly cheats, or Kevin Pietersen, its all a part of the game, its only the Australians or anyone else crushing England that it becomes cheating.
 
kingusama92 said:
It was cheating or poor sportsmanship. Whatever you wish to call it.

It was a clever attempt at hoping the ball was concealed from the camera. There have been cases in the past where decisions come down to personal interpretation (on the 3rd umpire's part) and Smith was trying to exploit that.

There is no doubt in my mind that he knew it bounced. Absolutely absurd to think there was any doubt about him grassing that. It wasn't even like some of those close ones where the fielder dives forward and it just bounces in front of his fingers.
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I thank you. Nice to see some people out there do have eyes and know how to use them. What happened yesterday was so blatantly obvious that it didn't even need to me to sit here like a lemon and argue the point against silly bitter people, but oh well, what's done is done.
 
People who're saying it wasn't blatant cheating did not watch the match. Simple as.
 
Say what you want, you can't call Smith a cheat unless you know what was going on in his head. Was Smith an idiot, Yes, as he was when he called the Pakistan, Pakis, yet many said it was a freudian slip, nothing sinister just pretty stupid.

I guess every person whom caught a ball which bounced, a batsmen edged a ball but never walked and a bowler appealing over a ridiculous lbw are all cheats, then we wouldn't have a "gentlemen's" game.

I seen the incident over and over again, when it happened I looked over my shoulder to my mate and said, "why is he appealing". But when I saw the replay, I knew why he appealed, the ball was in his hand then slipped out under his body, and he rolled over it, but he felt the ball near his abdomen thus appealing.

People calling him cheats have every right to, but was he cheating, imo, no. It was a case of thinking he caught it. It doesn't mean if I don't think he cheated I didn't watch the game or don't know my elbow from bum.
 
Sherlock said:
I seen the incident over and over again, when it happened I looked over my shoulder to my mate and said, "why is he appealing". But when I saw the replay, I knew why he appealed, the ball was in his hand then slipped out under his body, and he rolled over it, but he felt the ball near his abdomen thus appealing.

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Oh sah kadd sherlock holmes. You said yourself the ball slipped out and he rolled over it, hence it was on the ground. The more you see of the replays the more silly does it look.

When he didn't have the ball in his hands and he was rolling over it how on earth can he be unsure then?

I still wont call him cheat but he definately knew the ball touched the ground otherwise he is just and dumb idiot.
 
IAJ, your brain doesn't think so quick. Maybe he realised after he appealed that the ball did hit the ground. By that point it was too late, I just find it disrespectful for someone to be labelled a cheat because of an incident that has another variable.
 
Rana said:
Look mate, your not getting the point. Read every post in this thread and see wether Steven Smith completly claimed the catch. You will come to find out that he said that he was unsure. Now, it doesnt make sense to label him as a 'cheat' for saying he was unsure and the decision going against him anyways. The fact that this thread comes from an England supporter is obviously gonna make sparkes fly, because we have suffered dearly at the hands of Strauss's so called 'sportsmanship'.
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Because two wrongs make a right, eh?
 
Sherlock said:
IAJ, your brain doesn't think so quick. Maybe he realised after he appealed that the ball did hit the ground. By that point it was too late, I just find it disrespectful for someone to be labelled a cheat because of an incident that has another variable.
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Yeah I totally agree with you on this part, but the appeal was still stupid and naive.
 
Naah. Calling him a cheat is harsh. He did not claim the catch. He immediately said he was not sure. That can happen to a fielder.

BTW if at all you label him a cheat, what will you call the keepers who appeal for caught behinds (especially for wide balls down the leg side) to distract the umpire? That IMO is the blatant case of cheating , the keeper knows he is appealing only to distract the umpire.
 
Looked terrible didnt it.

He must have known that he had grounded it.

I seem to remember a Pakistani keeper being banned for a lot less than this a few years ago.
 
@WhipmasterWhip

I've skimmed through some of these comments, and have also just seen the incident you refer to.

I can't understand the grief you've been getting..I completely see it as described, and am at a loss to understand how the majority of people can claim any form of innocence by Smith 'asking', mentioning it is normal and compared with other situations...

b******s.. think there is some dellusion flowing around, how an earth can one honestly say that Smith was not sure and just asked.... it is clear, blatant and utter cheating... clear as mud, no disupute... ball was way out of his hand, rolled under him, his forearm even rolled over the ball, and as he rolled over, the ball ended up near his stomach and he just picked up, pretending to wonder if he 'may' have caught it....

he's new to the game, peeps have high hopes, carries himself like a future leader, tinge of arrogance and clearly a wanna be Warne, but I've lost any little hope or respect for him...
 
cricketindiafan said:
Naah. Calling him a cheat is harsh. He did not claim the catch. He immediately said he was not sure. That can happen to a fielder.
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get real... of course it's cheating, or rather falls under he banner of dishonesty, unsportsmanship, complete loss of integrity... = form of cheating...

HE DID NOT NEED TO ASK THE QUESTION WHEN HE KNOWS THAT IT WAS FLOORED AND IMPOSSIBLE TO HAVE CAUGHT IT.

note - comment isn't aimed at you specifically, but to all claiming..."ooooooooh, what's wroooong, he ONLY asked, he wasn't claiming iiiiiit"
 
cricketindiafan said:
Naah. Calling him a cheat is harsh. He did not claim the catch. He immediately said he was not sure. That can happen to a fielder.

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IMO, he was 100% sure it bounced and only said not sure becuase he hoped, with his body covering the ball, the cameras wont catch the view properly
 
Just saw the video (at last...)

I can't believe some of you are defending that. At one point he wasn't even touching the ball, he knew that (how can you not, seriously?), and tried to roll the ball to make it seem like he held onto it. Poor stuff from Smith.
 
shan said:
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I think had he appealed then yeh you could say it was cheating. He was genuinley looking like he didnt know. Not the sharpest Knife in the drawer but can hardly be called a cheat for saying I dont know what happened can you take a look.
 
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I think had he appealed then yeh you could say it was cheating. He was genuinley looking like he didnt know. Not the sharpest Knife in the drawer but can hardly be called a cheat for saying I dont know what happened can you take a look.
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how can peeps be seriously still saying this!? :) seriously cuz, do you honestly think he was being genuine, and not pulling a fast one?

he looked guilty as sin to me... just a cheating, dishonest squirrel, trying to pull the wool over the umpires eyes, even the umpire knew... he just out of duty had to discuss it...

but look at the replays... there is no way on earth that he would have thought "may be I caught, let me check"... just watch the ball roll on the floor across his arm into his stomach (while still on the floor)...
 
This thread seems to have spread some arms and legs, and going in all directions.

Now that folks have seen the vid, I'll repeat what i said earlier.

Personally I thought it was really funny, as he has made himself look like the BIGGEST idiot in world cricket. He kept looking at his right hand and then slowly he looked at his left and and saw the ball in it and looked as if he could'nt believe it was actually in his hand.

He had the look of a really crap magician who couldn't beleive his magic trick actually worked. Complete plonker!
 
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Hardly.

If I was standing ump, I would have given that out ten times out of ten. Both standing umps gave that out.

As third ump I would have given the batter the benefit of the doubt, but the decision was not referred.

Fair play from Strauss IMO.

Ashraful_Rox said:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=elHXdxBwzUM

Watch from 9:00, clean cheating, disgraceful act by Steven Smith, he should have been fined.
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Agreed, just flat-out cheating by Smith.
 
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Holy Moses! Wth man!? Yes that is definitely cheating! No way he would have NOT known that ball well out of his hand/body to the ground. That's cheating!
 
Talking about cheating...

Applying saliva after chewing sweets to the surface of the ball to induce reverse swing.

England did this during the 2005 Ashes, is this cheating ?
 
The initial reaction to the thread was surprising, I felt like I'd antagonised the entire website! Ha.
 
yeah I felt it, and thus felt for you, coz the barrage was largely unwarranted ... coming out with - yeah, but what about so and so, and this time and that time... and stop moaning... and worst of all..... 'he was only asking, he wasn't appealing!'

think it's clear as mud now.. way below the belt, one of the worst examples of dishonesty... basically CHEATING
 
Atif said:
Talking about cheating...

Applying saliva after chewing sweets to the surface of the ball to induce reverse swing.

England did this during the 2005 Ashes, is this cheating ?
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Under Law 42, subsection 3 of the Laws of Cricket, the ball may be polished without the use of an artificial substance, may be dried with a towel if it is wet, and have mud removed from it under supervision; all other actions which alter the condition of the ball are illegal.

Rubbing spit on the ball, or polishing it with sweat is not illegal. Rubbing sugary spit into the ball it is a bit dodgy, but very hard to challenge because players chew gum and eat sweets while fielding. Plus, sugar is not an artificial substance.
 
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