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For some one with 15 years of experience the wide range is 50000 AUD to 200k usd per annum. Many mid tier orgs pay around 65000 USD median which is a very comfortable salary
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Survey reveals 37% of Pakistanis will leave country if given chance
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For some one with 15 years of experience the wide range is 50000 AUD to 200k usd per annum. Many mid tier orgs pay around 65000 USD median which is a very comfortable salary
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Maybe I’m taking a wrong example and comparing oranges and apples.
Should compare Bangalore to Sydney, SF and not Dallas, Chicago, Tampa.
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In that case Bangalore does fall short.
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its sad to see but i agree with you.
india cannot be treated as a homogenous entity, there are states in india which are verging on middle income whilst pakistans economy is literally going back in time.
a lot of posters on here are happy to call out the hypocracy of a certain contingent of indian posters on this website, then act exactly the same in threads like this.
no one in their right mind would choose to stay in Pakistan if they had a choice, i speak to a lot of pakistanis in Pakistan and the desperation and hopelessness has never been this high.
its the culmination of a slow motion disaster half a century in the making.
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No one in Pakistan claims Pakistan to be the best country in the world while boasting about their economy being the fastest growing and the richest, as well as becoming a super power.
But Indians, who spend every minute chest thumping, in particular on Pakistani forums, why leave your home if you claim to have everything at home, in India? Do you see Amreekans fleeing their nation in droves?
Sad to see Pakistanis failing to see this point, even though NRI Indians avoid this point.
But Indians, who spend every minute chest thumping, in particular on Pakistani forums, why leave your home if you claim to have everything at home, in India? Do you see Amreekans fleeing their nation in droves?
Sad to see Pakistanis failing to see this point, even though NRI Indians avoid this point.
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Indians now third-biggest cohort of Channel migrants:
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/...small-boats-linked-to-student-visas-935flhr67
Surely these Indians are not fleeing India for walks in the park and driving on wide roads.
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/...small-boats-linked-to-student-visas-935flhr67
Surely these Indians are not fleeing India for walks in the park and driving on wide roads.
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Is this thread on india or Pakistan
In ppp terms yes the salary gap is getting closer. For example as per current norm a developer with 8-10 yrs exp that earns 30 L in India (40 K USD approx) will almost have the same spending power as a guy in US who earning 100-120 K USD.
However Jaded is right though in terms of comfort of living. You can't compare India with US, UK or any Western country in terms of living standards. Infact I will even agree that a person with equivalent income in Pakistan likely have a better living standard than his Indian counterpart purely because of how the system is supportive of them. Most of you guys here and your extended families in Pakistan likely have better quality assets and overall living standards when compared to let's say Jaded, myself or any other Indian poster. Where the difference is however likely with respect to people who are in the next economic strata. In last 15 years they have much better access to social services , financial tools , infrastructure etc..Its still a work in progress but in the right direction.
I will assume this is NY, Chicago or SFO area. Typically in most cities it will range between 100k - 120k unless it's a Senior Lead Engineer and above with multiple skills.
Many of them are actually. It's no more about money and more about standard of living for significant many.
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My nephews just got his first job out of college ( Harvard) with google. Studied CS I think. 200k all in ( nyc)
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Yea so all the illegal Indians coming into US via Mexico or doing donkey route into Europe are coming for the parks
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I think raj made his point and you have totally changed what he said . It's not that hard to understand what he is saying. Many people come for better standard of living, less pollution, school for kids, better medical.
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Im sure 2022 was one of the worst years in history for Pakistan, but 2023 can be even worse.
It must have grown above 37% by now.
It must have grown above 37% by now.
I am not saying all. I understand from your posts you have deep apathy for Indians so my words may sound a lie to you, but the fact remains Indians who migrate to US are not a homogeneous entity . And most who go to US, go on proper Visa regardless of the purpose.
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All I need to know about whether Indians are leaving india for money or not is is to look at the country’s GDP per capita
The GDP per capita hardly will tell you a story for India which is extremely heterogeneous. What is less in a metro can be comfortable enough in a town or village. Most Indians that you see in US are there for money definitely but that's no longer the only driving factor and for many that's no longer the primary factor. You may very well choose to ignore the nuances though.
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Source: US Census Bureau 2013-15 |
According to the US Census Bureau's data, Indian-Americans are the most educated ethnic group (70%) in the US & also have the highest median household income of $100,500.
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">In US Indians are more educated than other ethnicity<br><br>In US Indians have highest median household income than other ethnicity <br><br>Education will lift people from below poverty<br><br>We have to focus on improving our education sector<br><br>May be participating in PISA will be a good start <a href="https://t.co/TiOe29mN2t">pic.twitter.com/TiOe29mN2t</a></p>— Nilesh Shah (@NileshShah68) <a href="https://twitter.com/NileshShah68/status/1286561817775370240?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">July 24, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
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overseas Pakistanis keep bashing the locals and give examples of India all the time.... Meanwhile they are not even good enough in overseas countries.
I think they are certainly capable specially on the US side based on my experience. However what they fail to appreciate is that most Indians who go to stateside are from salary class background (neither rich nor impoverished) and they are either going on work visa or for higher education. Hence these comments that Indians are fleeing the country to go to US because of poverty and so on only represents lack of understanding and a certain level of bitterness for whatever reason.
The irony is there are plenty of poor in India but majority hardly can afford to take a trip to US even if it is through illegal means.
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How come? They are doing better than average population in US. That's certainly more than good enough.
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Not sure I would agree on the trajectory part. Erdogan was also was part of a boom period for Turkey, now the wheels are falling off. I'm not sure a fundamentalist quasi-religious trajectory is a great one for prosperity, and with BJP in power, that is what they have got in India. Would you be confident if Taliban took power in Pakistan that it would boost the economic fortunes of the country? It's not a trick question by the way, many religious folk believe it fervently.
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I know the sample set on here is misleading but Pakistanis in America especially are relatively successful and more or less have similar jobs to Indians. That’s probably because the blue collar workers from our part of the world don’t get visas to USA.
Uk and to a smaller extent Canada well it’s a different story. That’s what clouds our judgement I guess.
Middle East is mostly the labor class from India-Pak mostly anyways.
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Pakistani Americans are doing very well here. I think they would be higher on the list of the women in the household worked. Older generation women don’t work usually. But overall Pakistanis have done very very well here. Also they are well liked in the US
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Chicago vs Bangalore, for example
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Just so folks know, $100k is the starting salary for a new college graduate in tech in California. Heck even in Canada new college grads in tech now make CAD $85-95k.
If I were to guess the one factor of why Indian-Americans are head and shoulders above other ethnicities in median income might be because majority of them are from software background due to India's focus on tech.
Also median income in isolation isn't a good barometer. If someone earns $100k in someplace like Michigan they would be living a baller life, however, with same $100k in California you would barely afford a one bed condo. So incomes should be averaged out over cost of living.
Source: I work in tech.
If I were to guess the one factor of why Indian-Americans are head and shoulders above other ethnicities in median income might be because majority of them are from software background due to India's focus on tech.
Also median income in isolation isn't a good barometer. If someone earns $100k in someplace like Michigan they would be living a baller life, however, with same $100k in California you would barely afford a one bed condo. So incomes should be averaged out over cost of living.
Source: I work in tech.
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UAE in the Middle East is also a great place to work - lots of opportunities and a great lifestyle.
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We have a similar thing with London. Good Developers can earn above 65k but that is the equivalent of about 55k elsewhere..
Just to rent a small room in a shared bedsit will cost you 650 a month in London
How is the outdoor climate ? Isn't it hot all round the year?
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It’s because of many Indian Americans being doctors.. they bring the median income really high and work in rural areas as well due to better pay.
Indians(from back home) in America are mostly in tech or related field but salaries in cali are way above 150k.. no way to survive without that in cali, Cali pays not only salary but stock options as well.
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There are people getting 100k in Bangalore but yes definitely after dollar value going to 80.. I’m sure its not the same.
Many of my friends who didn’t get placed in college, due to repeated change and tech certifications were getting 50-75 lakh package.. but that was till 2021.
https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com...a-worry-for-startups/articleshow/85060084.cms
So you might be right and me wrong.
I think US Tech companies are fine with the high salary as long as they see better value from an offshore location. What is also an interesting trend is that many of these Tech companies are now catering to local business more than the Western audience. Google India or Amazon India Development Centres have great stake now in the Indian market. And then obviously you have plethora of local start-ups.
Personally I feel the Indian market is getting saturated on the package front but then there are lot of experts who feel this upward curve to continue because as per them companies are ok with the additional cost on technology side as long as it helps them on their margins.
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The pay for no exp graduates has increased though and tbh that is about to increase for Americans as well, Amazon plans to hire only New graduates from a leaked paper.
https://www.businessinsider.com/amazon-hiring-careers-recent-graduates-students-only-after-layoffs
True. I have seen this as well with lot of interest in hiring grads primarily for two reasons - The relative pay is less than a mid level developer, the new guy brings in lot of energy and fresh perspective on the technology front , so all the companies wants to mix it up a bit which is a step in the right direction.
The answer to this is obvious. The H1B is dominated by India far more compared to any other nationality. Chinese are a distant second and other countries are much further behind. H1B has been dominated by India for decades, often due to fraudulent behaviour of Indian consultancies that make dozens of H1B applications for the same person to improve their chances in the lottery.
Other nationalities are primarily immigrating to US on family based visas and they are not necessarily the most educated class from their respective countries.
Pakistanis in Canada are doing very well too, similar to US. Don't club them with Pakistanis in UK.
The other thing to note is that Indians are disproportionately living in California and Seattle, which are expensive. 100k there is not 100k in Chicago or Houston, where a disproportionate number of Pakistanis live.
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Unfortunately the uk has some structural issues that hold back Pakistanis.
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Indians are not stupid to live in Cali for 100k income.
Tech salaries are way higher than 100k in Cali.
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Yes, I am aware of that. My point is that it drives up the overall average for the income Indians make in the US.
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The overall median is driven thanks to doctors.You can go check their salaries from Virginia to Dallas and be ready to get shocked.
It’s insane how much Indian American doctors make, they drive it up, tech is nothing compared to that.
Also Indian American and Indians in America are two different groups.. the former are even better off.
Yes, I am aware it's not uncommon to see doctors making 400-800k. They are still dwarved by tech workers in the numbers that are often making 300-500k in bay area and Seattle.
I wonder how this study distinguishes Indian Americans and Indian citizens working in US. Maybe it's the same to them, but it's not clear to me.
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I live in nyc. All finance people are now Indian. Making over a million is normal.
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It doesn’t include the non citizens atleast the ones below:
https://www.deseret.com/opinion/202...ans-parag-agrawal-sundar-pichai-marriage-tech
I’m certain Indian citizens in America don’t drive the median salaries up as such..
It’s the Indian Americans that are very successful..overall(if income is the criteria).
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Its awful between June and September
November through February is lovely
However passport matters for salaries. Pakistani passport holders will be treated fairly only in 10% of companies, Rest 90% will give much lower salary to 3rd worlders
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Lolwut.. it’s still white dominated (Atleast front office). And by quite a distance whether junior or senior level.
After that it’s prolly Asians (Koreans, Japanese, Chinese) and then Indians tied at junior levels. But at senior levels Asians seems to be slightly more represented for some reason
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I live in nyc. My nephew is in hedge funds and my cousin works for black stone . Indians compared to their population over represent in the finance world. Yes by numbers white are more. I just reread my post and I should have not said “ all finance people”. That’s wrong. Indians and even Pakistanis are plenty . FYI I am Pakistani.
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That's because it's a third world country.
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Who are first and second world right now?
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First would be Five Eyes countries, next would be Europe I would guess.
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I don't think the second world term was ever used for Europe.
As far as I know,
Before collapse of USSR - around 30 years ago.
First world was used for countries aligned with US.
Second world was used for countries aligned with USSR
Third world was used for countries who were aligned with neither US nor USSR.
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I work in finance too and also finished my two years in nyc last year and doing associate stint in Germany. In my experience I saw several analyst, associate and to some extent even VP level desis (predominantly Indian but decent pak rep too) in nyc but whether it was my firm or the bank on other side (or a sponsor client), the higher levels were 80% white. Tbh I looked at it a lot since I used to wonder why that js so am fairly confident of this statistic. Tbh I don’t think it’s necessarily racism or discrimination why there aren’t more desis at the top in finance. At those levels it’s a sales job, you need to be always selling and building relations which doesn’t come naturally to most desis.
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After Afghanistan and Syrians, Indians are now the Third Largest Ethnic Group illegally crossing the English Channel to enter the UK. I understand, Afghanistan & Syria, but why Indians are fleeing from a Hindu Rashtra?
https://twitter.com/ashoswai/status/1621778687334187008
https://twitter.com/ashoswai/status/1621778687334187008
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I am not sure if Indians will figure among the top 3 when we have so many war zone countries. May be just the large population in India makes it possible even if a tiny fraction compared to other nationalities attempt to cross illegally in recent years.
Here is some tally 2018-2020 period,
https://migrationobservatory.ox.ac....-crossing-the-english-channel-in-small-boats/
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Thanks for sharing this, as I expected Pakistan isn't far behind too from 2018-2020.
But right now Indians are 3rd in illegaly crossing the English channel to come to the UK.
Now this could be purely because of the large Indian population but obviously shows that things in India aren't as rosy as they seem.
It's a similar trend in Canada - far more Indians have immigrated to Canada in the last few years than they did even 8-10 years ago.
You now hear of them trying to enter US illegally via Mexican or Canadian border that never happened before.
Not sure why emigration from India is accelerating if India is what Indians claim it is.
Indians should make a choice between "Shining India" or "Hindu Rashtra" as they can't have both.
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In 2022, 63,927 undocumented Indians reached the US borders and sought asylum, which is more than double the number in 2021. Why are Indians fleeing India if India has become the land of milk and honey under BJP?
Number of Indians fleeing to the US - from Manmohan Singh to Narendra Modi!
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You are right.
Liberal Justin Trudeau is very pro-immigrant. That helps their cause also.
I was actually very surprised at illegal immigration from India. Why do they try to do it illegally? Is it that bad in India?
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India does offer good money these days. I work at a strategy consulting firm here in the US. If I move to an Indian office, I’ll be able to afford a far more comfortable life - nanny, chauffeur, cook, etc. and still save almost same as what I save here without all that. The main thing stopping me from going back is the toxic working culture (office culture as well as clients) in India. People treat each other with more respect in the US.
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Is it just me or does 37% seem really low for a country experiencing an economic crisis? I would've expected the number to be <50% easily. I wonder how many of the 37% are frustrated PTI supporters.
Indians make a mark for themselves wherever they go and it is all because of education and their thirst for knowledge. Similar to rest of the places, most Pakistanis in HK work as construction workers, security guards and Food Panda delivery man while Indians work in fin-tech. The skill difference and education level difference between the two races is huge and it can never be reduced.
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After Mexicans, Indians are now the number 2 largest chunk of illegal immigrants in United States. They are leaving the shinny India like swap rats.
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67% youngsters want to leave Pakistan; 31% educated youth unemployed
Link: https://www.firstpost.com/world/67-...an-31-educated-youth-unemployed-12278282.html
Link: https://www.firstpost.com/world/67-...an-31-educated-youth-unemployed-12278282.html
Oh but it is unfortunately, I am a VP in a sector team. Guess how many MDs at bulge bracket in the UK from a pakistani background? Lets forget BBs, tier one like Moelis or Jefferies? how many partners in the big 4 in corporate finance? in the UK, I can say within EY PwC, and KPMG, london alone the answer is 1. That was the case till 2020, Pretty sure it would not have changed dramatically in the past 2 years or so. Surprisingly the answer for big 4 in dubai is the same (was 2 [MENTION=1889]Saqs[/MENTION] I believe a resident PP left the world of CF in Big 4 and has now joined a PE)
Lets forget pakistanis for a moment (perhaps one may argue the selling skillset are low), guess how many that are muslims? (One cant claim that selling and building relations skillset is low if one is a Muslim)
Unfortunately what comes down to is that IB / PE is still a club membership mindset / old boy circle. The one outlier you would see is barclays (which have a huge number of Indian origin employees - What drove the high figure in Barclays is that Indians, as a matter of fact do support and hire fellow Indians - nothing wrong with that, in fact quite commendable on the contrary. Something that Pakistanis do not do).
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That sounds more realistic than the original number quoted in OP
The real number is close to 100% of those who want to flee the country. I have not met a single Pakistani who did not ask me how they could immigrate to HK or elsewhere. Even those who are well-off want to move abroad to enjoy the higher standard of living and safety. A few years back in Pakistan, I went to a huge and bustling pharmacy chain shop in Azad Kashmir and the owner of the pharmacy was there as well.
I enquired with him about a medication and he eventually found out I was from Hong Kong. He started to ask me to help him to migrate to Hong Kong. I was a bit shop and asked, 'you run a huge pharmacy and have an expensive pick-up truck parked outside and yet want to leave?'
He said,'The life my kids and I can enjoy in first world working as an unskilled worker is much much better than that of running a huge dispensary chain in Pakistan'. He said that even if you are rich in Pakistan, there are problems and chaos such as you never know when a group will turn up and shut down the whole city and loot your business or one day, you would wake up and you wouldn't find electricity for three days. He said there was no discipline, justice and accountability in the country.
I enquired with him about a medication and he eventually found out I was from Hong Kong. He started to ask me to help him to migrate to Hong Kong. I was a bit shop and asked, 'you run a huge pharmacy and have an expensive pick-up truck parked outside and yet want to leave?'
He said,'The life my kids and I can enjoy in first world working as an unskilled worker is much much better than that of running a huge dispensary chain in Pakistan'. He said that even if you are rich in Pakistan, there are problems and chaos such as you never know when a group will turn up and shut down the whole city and loot your business or one day, you would wake up and you wouldn't find electricity for three days. He said there was no discipline, justice and accountability in the country.
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In the general public yes - and mostly who are small haram khores or don't want to earn haram but are forced to do so.
The big haram khores treat Pakistan as their gold mine. They travel abroad for vacations and have 100 and billions of Rs worth of properties, businesses and wealth accumulated. They have no intention to leave Pakistan.
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1 million Pakistanis to get work visas
Minister says Japan has recently started issuing visas for skilled Pakistani workers
Minister for Overseas Pakistanis Sajid Hussain Turi has said that the government would send one million Pakistanis abroad for employment opportunities this year.
Turi made this announcement in an exclusive interview with a private television channel on Sunday. “Saudi authorities will be visiting Pakistan soon to issue work permit visas and new agreements are being signed with 50 other countries, including Germany, Greece, and Romania,” he added. Minister Turi also said Pakistanis who pass the technical training test will be eligible to obtain Saudi visas.
According to the minister, Japan has recently started issuing visas for skilled Pakistani workers, while South Korea needs 10,000 Pakistani skilled workers and plans to recruit them soon.
In addition, Pakistanis are now able to obtain work visas for Germany and Romania, and agreements are in progress to provide professional and labor visas for Portugal and Greece.
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https://tribune.com.pk/story/2409627/1-million-pakistanis-to-get-work-visas
Minister says Japan has recently started issuing visas for skilled Pakistani workers
Minister for Overseas Pakistanis Sajid Hussain Turi has said that the government would send one million Pakistanis abroad for employment opportunities this year.
Turi made this announcement in an exclusive interview with a private television channel on Sunday. “Saudi authorities will be visiting Pakistan soon to issue work permit visas and new agreements are being signed with 50 other countries, including Germany, Greece, and Romania,” he added. Minister Turi also said Pakistanis who pass the technical training test will be eligible to obtain Saudi visas.
According to the minister, Japan has recently started issuing visas for skilled Pakistani workers, while South Korea needs 10,000 Pakistani skilled workers and plans to recruit them soon.
In addition, Pakistanis are now able to obtain work visas for Germany and Romania, and agreements are in progress to provide professional and labor visas for Portugal and Greece.
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https://tribune.com.pk/story/2409627/1-million-pakistanis-to-get-work-visas
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Wonder what this number will be like now?
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I'd estimate it to be 70% at a minimum.
Yes, or maybe even higher.
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Why educated Pakistanis are voting with their feet
Novelist Mohsin Hamid was taken aback by the fact that his co-passengers on a recent connecting flight from Istanbul to Bologna, a city in northern Italy, included about 30 people from Lahore, predominantly young men going to Europe apparently as labourers.
The author of acclaimed novels like The Reluctant Fund*amentalist and How to Get Filthy Rich in Rising Asia used this little anecdote to drive home his point about the rising number of Pakistanis from both ends of the education spectrum moving overseas to find work.
Talking to Dr Ali Khan, dean of the Mushtaq Ahmad Gurmani School for Humanities and Social Sciences at the Lahore University of Management Sciences, in a podcast organised by the Consortium for Development Policy Research, Mr Hamid said the latest wave of emigration is fuelled by an “incredible level of inflation” and uncertainty on the political and economic fronts.
“The rupee has plunged like never before… There’s a randomness and predatoriness in the system from which even the highest of the elite is not immune,” he said.
Dr Khan agreed with him, noting that the economic woes have deepened “in last six months” with people moving abroad at a level not seen since 1971, a year that saw a full-fledged war leading to the secession of the eastern wing of Pakistan.
According to data released by the Bureau of Emigration and Overseas Employment (BEOE), as many as 832,339 Pakistanis obtained employment abroad in 2022, up 189 per cent from a year ago. The number of emigrating Pakistanis hit 315,787 in the first five months of 2023.
According to Mr Hamid, Pak*istan has been “shedding” bright and well-educated people with “intellectual capital” for a long time. But those with capital in the conventional sense of the word — i.e. money that earns a return on local investment — have been confident until recently that their family-run enterprises offer a better lifestyle in Pakistan than employment in an overseas market.
“Economic capital holders seem to be very, very uncertain and are considering moving out. That, to a certain extent, is unusual,” he said, adding that the current panic in the moneyed class is once-a-generation episode. “It’s a grim indicator.”
A national failure to create good jobs owing to a lack of industrialisation along with “wild uncertainty” in economic and political realms have added to the sense of urgency among the youth to move out of the country, he said.
“What’s going to happen to you if you have a car accident with a wrong person? If you have a wrong last name or wrong religion? Pakistan is a state that’s incredibly predatory… to a level where no one has protection,” he said, noting that even the reasonably “well-connected” elite is now finding it difficult to navigate the predatory state.
Speaking to Dawn on Tuesday, independent economist Yousuf M. Farooq said educated professionals like engineers, doctors, accountants and managers emigrating as a percentage of total people leaving the country rose from 1.2pc in 2011 to 6.5pc in 2023.
A key reason for the sharp jump in emigration among the well-educated is that income in urban areas takes time to adjust in the aftermath of a devaluation, he said.
Secondly, educated professionals enjoy a higher degree of access to resources, which allows them to find overseas employment quicker than their unskilled and semiskilled counterparts, he added.
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Novelist Mohsin Hamid was taken aback by the fact that his co-passengers on a recent connecting flight from Istanbul to Bologna, a city in northern Italy, included about 30 people from Lahore, predominantly young men going to Europe apparently as labourers.
The author of acclaimed novels like The Reluctant Fund*amentalist and How to Get Filthy Rich in Rising Asia used this little anecdote to drive home his point about the rising number of Pakistanis from both ends of the education spectrum moving overseas to find work.
Talking to Dr Ali Khan, dean of the Mushtaq Ahmad Gurmani School for Humanities and Social Sciences at the Lahore University of Management Sciences, in a podcast organised by the Consortium for Development Policy Research, Mr Hamid said the latest wave of emigration is fuelled by an “incredible level of inflation” and uncertainty on the political and economic fronts.
“The rupee has plunged like never before… There’s a randomness and predatoriness in the system from which even the highest of the elite is not immune,” he said.
Dr Khan agreed with him, noting that the economic woes have deepened “in last six months” with people moving abroad at a level not seen since 1971, a year that saw a full-fledged war leading to the secession of the eastern wing of Pakistan.
According to data released by the Bureau of Emigration and Overseas Employment (BEOE), as many as 832,339 Pakistanis obtained employment abroad in 2022, up 189 per cent from a year ago. The number of emigrating Pakistanis hit 315,787 in the first five months of 2023.
According to Mr Hamid, Pak*istan has been “shedding” bright and well-educated people with “intellectual capital” for a long time. But those with capital in the conventional sense of the word — i.e. money that earns a return on local investment — have been confident until recently that their family-run enterprises offer a better lifestyle in Pakistan than employment in an overseas market.
“Economic capital holders seem to be very, very uncertain and are considering moving out. That, to a certain extent, is unusual,” he said, adding that the current panic in the moneyed class is once-a-generation episode. “It’s a grim indicator.”
A national failure to create good jobs owing to a lack of industrialisation along with “wild uncertainty” in economic and political realms have added to the sense of urgency among the youth to move out of the country, he said.
“What’s going to happen to you if you have a car accident with a wrong person? If you have a wrong last name or wrong religion? Pakistan is a state that’s incredibly predatory… to a level where no one has protection,” he said, noting that even the reasonably “well-connected” elite is now finding it difficult to navigate the predatory state.
Speaking to Dawn on Tuesday, independent economist Yousuf M. Farooq said educated professionals like engineers, doctors, accountants and managers emigrating as a percentage of total people leaving the country rose from 1.2pc in 2011 to 6.5pc in 2023.
A key reason for the sharp jump in emigration among the well-educated is that income in urban areas takes time to adjust in the aftermath of a devaluation, he said.
Secondly, educated professionals enjoy a higher degree of access to resources, which allows them to find overseas employment quicker than their unskilled and semiskilled counterparts, he added.
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JaDed
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Many European countries have a lot Pakistani immigration currently, Italy and Spain especially.
Pakistanis that made the move 5-10 years ago are obviously benefiting more than the current ones.
I think British Pakistanis might hate west but majority Pakistanis don’t seem to.
Pakistanis that made the move 5-10 years ago are obviously benefiting more than the current ones.
I think British Pakistanis might hate west but majority Pakistanis don’t seem to.
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British Pakistanis don't hate the west, I don't know where you are getting this idea from.
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From the threads.. West downfall etc etc
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The west downfall predictions is more a reading of religious texts by those who put big store by hadiths, similar to people who follow Nostradamus and look for signs of truth in what he said centuries ago. I don't think you can count that as hating the west, the same posters are extolling virtues of the west in many threads. Some of them often have English premier league football stars as their PP profiles.
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