Syria strikes add to list of 21st century US military forays

[Varun]

The US has carried out a missile attack against an air base in Syria in response to a suspected chemical weapons attack on a rebel-held town.
The Pentagon said 59 Tomahawk cruise missiles were fired at 04:40 Syrian time (01:40 GMT) from destroyers in the eastern Mediterranean.

In a televised address, President Donald Trump said the base was the launch point for the chemical attack.

He called on "all civilised nations" to help end the conflict in Syria.
Dozens of civilians, including many children, died in the suspected nerve gas attack on Tuesday in the town of Khan Sheikhoun in Idlib province.

Speaking from his Mar-a-Lago estate in Florida, Mr Trump branded Syrian President Bashar al-Assad a "dictator" who had "launched a horrible chemical weapons attack on innocent civilians".

Mr Trump said he had acted in America's "vital national security interest" to prevent the use of chemical weapons.

"Tonight I call on all civilised nations to join us in seeking to end this slaughter and bloodshed in Syria and also to end terrorism of all kinds and all types," he said.

The UK government called the strike "an appropriate response to the barbaric chemical weapons attack".

The Pentagon said the Russian military, which is supporting the Syrian government, had been informed ahead of the US attack.

In a statement it said missiles fired from Navy destroyers USS Porter and USS Ross had targeted aircraft, aircraft shelters, storage areas, ammunition supply bunkers, air defence systems, and radars at Shayrat airfield in western Homs province.

The Pentagon added that the strike was intended "to deter the regime from using chemical weapons again".

It did not give details of damage or casualties but the governor of Homs province said there had been deaths and parts of the base were on fire.
"It will take some time to determine the extent of the damage," Talal Barazi told AFP news agency.

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-39523654

 

[Slog]

Dont like Trump but good on him for taking this decision

The civilized world cannot stand idly by as Assaad keeps carrying out his horrors

 

[Cracket]

Dont like Trump but good on him for taking this decision

The civilized world cannot stand idly by as Assaad keeps carrying out his horrors

Hmm Pak and Saudi Arabia seem to hate Assad equally. Btw the chemical attack was false flag, so was 2013.

 

[Saeed]

Hmm Pak and Saudi Arabia seem to hate Assad equally. Btw the chemical attack was false flag, so was 2013.

You remind of assad supporters like her. Happy when Trump won regardless of how his actions will affect Americans.
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">I've been asking Syrians who they want to win for president. The vast majority say Trump bc they feel he's less likely to bomb them.</p>— Rania Khalek (@RaniaKhalek) <a href="https://twitter.com/RaniaKhalek/status/795580753690185728">November 7, 2016</a></blockquote>
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Anyways I hope Trump will only target airbases. No need to target rural areas as that will only increase the suffering of civilians. Hopefully he will bring Assad and his top guys to justice, keep the Syrian army and bring opposition groups under it. To balance things out he should also withdraw U.S. support for Yemen war.

 

[MenInG]

Staged to make him look more firm with Russia?

 

[Cracket]

Anyways I hope Trump will only target airbases. No need to target rural areas as that will only increase the suffering of civilians. Hopefully he will bring Assad and his top guys to justice, keep the Syrian army and bring opposition groups under it. To balance things out he should also withdraw U.S. support for Yemen war.

The same forces that want Assad gone also are pushing for the Yemen war. Any nation state that openly supports Hezbollah or any anti-Israeli sentimentality in Mid-East will have American boots on its neck, that's the reality. Iran is running out of allies and soon it will be next.

 

[Saeed]

Staged to make him look more firm with Russia?

Possibly a message to North Korea also.

 

[AamchiMumbaikar]

So Trump and USA have started this savior of the world role again

 

[Saeed]

The same forces that want Assad gone also are pushing for the Yemen war. Any nation state that openly supports Hezbollah or any anti-Israeli sentimentality in Mid-East will have American boots on its neck, that's the reality. Iran is running out of allies and soon it will be next.

Saudis along with few others are. I am sure we can oppose both Saudi regime and Assad along with Israel's action somewhere else. After Syrian strikes Saudis will feel Trump is with them and may commit larger atrocities in Yemen. This is exactly why Trump should stop backing Saudi coalition in Yemen. We have to send them a strong message too.

 

[KingKhanWC]

Dont like Trump but good on him for taking this decision

The civilized world cannot stand idly by as Assaad keeps carrying out his horrors

American civilised bombs are showering democracy once more .

 

[IMMY69]

With this action who knows what is going to happen in the future and I say this Reading Russia's reaction to the US Air Strikes

 

[in_cutter]

Trump: 'no child of God should suffer'

Yet the world watches in silence at the suffering of Palestinians? Arrogant Trump is using the chemical attack for his own agenda. We are not even sure where the chemical attack came from!

 

[Markhor]

So much for Trump wanting to stay out of the Middle East and being a more friendly President to the Muslim world.

Can't believe people bought that horsecrap.

 

[IAJ]

So much for Trump wanting to stay out of the Middle East and being a more friendly President to the Muslim world.

Can't believe people bought that horsecrap.

This can get really nasty. Putin has already said this might hurt the relationship permanently between the two countries.

 

[Slog]

i cant believe people would rather let poor syrian children die...

 

[90MPH]

There has to be a strategic follow up these strikes otherwise it was just sending a message to this despotic regime.

Assad has been barrel bombing and chemical attacking his people for far too long with Russian backing.

Assad and his cronies will never bring peace to Syria, they have far too much blood on their hands.

 

[Saeed]

i cant believe people would rather let poor syrian children die...

Hey come one now we have to save our outrage for Israel and America.

 

[Mian]

RIP innocent souls this world isn't a place for you where strong people/countries are too busy playing politics.

A tweet of trump from 2013 when he wasn't a president.
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">AGAIN, TO OUR VERY FOOLISH LEADER, DO NOT ATTACK SYRIA - IF YOU DO MANY VERY BAD THINGS WILL HAPPEN & FROM THAT FIGHT THE U.S. GETS NOTHING!</p>— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) <a href="https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/375609403376144384">September 5, 2013</a></blockquote>
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[James]

Bit of a damned if you do / damned if you don't scenario.

Obama backed down from intervention in Syria after the previous alleged nerve gas attack and was perceived as weak, subsequently losing his Forbes Most Powerful People number 1 spot to Putin & never regaining it. As the Syria question continues to be answered, the consequences of Obama's blind eye will potentially further damage his legacy down the line.

Trump meanwhile has done the opposite, in spite of being a much closer friend of Russia than Obama: Trump has taken a robust stance on Assad and ordered a strong initial military action in order to punish human rights abuses against civilians, and now that is also being called out as morally wrong, and America are now reconfirmed as super-evil etc.

 

[Robert]

Much as it sticks in my craw to say so, I agree with Trump on this one.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

I'm not sure what to make of it. I don't like getting involved in wars where there is no end game in sight. What are the objectives of the strike? Is it a warning? A token strike to show the world that the US won't stand by watching while atrocities are committed? Or is it the real deal where America will back that up with genuine military commitment?

 

[Black Zero]

What has Trump achieved from this strike:

- 14 fighter planes destroyed
- 6 Syrian soldiers killed
- Hawks in USA are extremely happy (McCain had several meeting with Rebels during Obama era and he literally begged Obama to provide additional help to rebels. He is a happy person in DC now)
- Republican and Democrats are united on this front (except Rand paul)
- Attention diverted from Trump's administrations several failures.
- Trump demonstrated that he can take on Russia
- West (Germany and UK) are happy
- Saudi and other GCC countries are happy
- Rebels are happy as they will get some relief and


In long term, we know that Russia will be THE USUAL winner.

When Obama back stabbed Putin on Libya and tried to trick in Ukraine, Putin taught a fitting reply to Obama.

I expect that in 6 months time Russia would have more influence in Syria.

 

[Black Zero]

Much as it sticks in my craw to say so, I agree with Trump on this one.

It would be great, if USA accept Syrian refuges.

 

[Saeed]

It would be great, if USA accept Syrian refuges.

How many refugees is Russia accepting? I am sure many of them want to stay in their own land instead of leaving it to be used by Assad's foreign Militias.

 

[JaDed]

Absolutely don't trust these western powers,have seen what happened to Libya once they funded the rebels.

 

[Black Zero]

How many refugees is Russia accepting? I am sure many of them want to stay in their own land instead of leaving it to be used by Assad's foreign Militias.

Russia is neither helping Rebels nor terrorists.

out flux of refuges virtually stopped since Russian came on board in 2015. So empirical data shows that Saudi, EU and USA created the Refugee crisis and they need to accept the refuges.

Syria and Russia want stability in their country and it's not possible when Rebels are supported by above mentioned three parties. Once stability returns, (i expect in 2/3 years time), refugess would return.

 

[Saeed]

Russia is neither helping Rebels nor terrorists.

out flux of refuges virtually stopped since Russian came on board in 2015. So empirical data shows that Saudi, EU and USA created the Refugee crisis and they need to accept the refuges.

Syria and Russia want stability in their country and it's not possible when Rebels are supported by above mentioned three parties. Once stability returns, (i expect in 2/3 years time), refugess would return.

Expected rebuttal. If out flux stopped then there is no need for America to accept anyone. Btw didn't you get the memo that Assad backs refugee ban? http://nypost.com/2017/02/16/assad-supports-trumps-immigration-ban/

Sweden along with many other countries didn't create this mess but they are accepting refugees. Shouldn't Russia and Iran help the refugees, after all they are leaving Syria because of terrorists. Help them escape from terrorists and then they won't have to worry about civilian casualties in Hama, Idlib or Western Aleppo.

 

[Adil_94]

Its a kind a damn if you do damned if you dont situation for the Americans.

If they dont attack then they are accused of being weak and passive to a regime that has intentionally killed its own civilians and if they do attack they get accused of imperialism.

Its funny though ive noticed that a lot of the rebels supporters who were against the 2003 invasion are now praising this.

I dont think however Trump will commit to boots on the ground it was just to show Assad and Putin that America wont be as lenient on them as Obama was.

In Syria Obama was really schooled by Putin.

Assad regime is a better alternative to Jabhat Fateh Al Sham Ahrar al Sham and other Gulf backed Jihadists but he also needs to be kept on his toes.

Any regime that intentionally targets civillians with chemical weapons shouldnt be allowed to get away with it.

 

[Black Zero]

Its a kind a damn if you do damned if you dont situation for the Americans.

If they dont attack then they are accused of being weak and passive to a regime that has intentionally killed its own civilians and if they do attack they get accused of imperialism.

Its funny though ive noticed that a lot of the rebels supporters who were against the 2003 invasion are now praising this.

I dont think however Trump will commit to boots on the ground it was just to show Assad and Putin that America wont be as lenient on them as Obama was.

In Syria Obama was really schooled by Putin.

Assad regime is a better alternative to Jabhat Fateh Al Sham Ahrar al Sham and other Gulf backed Jihadists but he also needs to be kept on his toes.

Any regime that intentionally targets civillians with chemical weapons shouldnt be allowed to get away with it.

FYI, Pakistan is also intentionally killing own citizens (we call those citizens terrorists or Balouchi rebels)

 

[Adil_94]

[MENTION=42489]Black Zero[/MENTION] Is Pakistan using chemicals on its own civilians. If Pakistan is actually killing its own civilians intentionally then it should be hit with sanctions too.

What Pakistan is doing in Balochistan pales in comparison to what Assad has done in Syria.

 

[Black Zero]

[MENTION=42489]Black Zero[/MENTION] Is Pakistan using chemicals on its own civilians. If Pakistan is actually killing its own civilians intentionally then it should be hit with sanctions too.

What Pakistan is doing in Balochistan pales in comparison to what Assad has done in Syria.

No, Pakistan is not using chemical weapons on her own citizens. But's same with Syria.
UN reported that Syrian do not posses chemical weapons and in 2013 accusations by west proven wrong.
Syria do not need Chemical weapons as they have been winning big for last two years with conventional weapons.

If India provide chemical weapons to balouchs (they can easily do that) and after the PAF strike, Balouch release those chemicals, should we believe that pakistan gased those people...no, cause conventional weapons are can cause lot more damage to enemy and we are not living in 1950s

This is a made up pretext to war/no fly zone (safe heaven for rebels) which was earlier tried during Obama.

ISIS (which is different from rebels) has initiated an operation to reclaim lost territory.

 

[James]

Much as it sticks in my craw to say so, I agree with Trump on this one.

Yep, falling on the same side of the fence as you currently.

 

[KingKhanWC]

Much as it sticks in my craw to say so, I agree with Trump on this one.

Much as it sticks in my craw to say so, I agree with Trump on this one.

Have you totally forgotten the last 15 years? Maybe you should recall the baby incubator lie in Iraq along with the 45 min lie which led to the immoral invasion of Iraq, resulting in the chaos and blood we see today.

As for chemical weapons, in 2013 it was the so called rebels who were responsible but continued to see support from the 'allies'. The so called worlds policemen, civilised world also themselves have used chemical weapons in Fallujah, resulting in babies being born deformed. They also supported the use of white phosphorous by Israel against Palestinians.

Assad may be a tyrant but anyone who believes the Americans give a damn about Syrians lives are deluded. An entity who has killed more civillians around the world than any other doesn't one day wake up morality running through it's veins.

It's frankly disgusting the Americans have meddled in Syria, causing it to be destroyed just for the imperial interests against Russia and on behalf of Israel.

 

[Black Zero]

Yep, falling on the same side of the fence as you currently.

you would keep falling on the same side of "fence". I promise.

 

[Adil_94]

[MENTION=42489]Black Zero[/MENTION] the U.N reports in 2013 show that the Assad regime did use Chemicals to attack civilians in Eastern Ghouta. Obama said that Assad crossed a red line but didnt do anything.

In 2014 Assad declared that he didnt possess chemical weapons anymore.

Also we know that ISIS have mustard and chemicals now too.

If the other rebels have chemical weapons capability in Idlib then why havent they ever used these weapons against the regime.

It cant be put past the Assad regime to commit acts like this. He has killed more unarmed civilians than anyone in this war.

The shame is that the strongest opposition to Assad are Islamist Jihadists.

I have a few Syrian Christian friends who while they reluctantly support Assad but living under the Baathist police state and corrupt regime where dissent is crushed is no fun for.most citizens.

The U.S shouldnt intervene any more than this though.

 

[majiz]

Yep, falling on the same side of the fence as you currently.

surely you and robert don't actually believe any kind of humanitarian narrative, that trump cares so much about some muslims in syria and he is going to help them from big bad assad. considering united states have been responsible for so many civillian deaths in syria how are they are any less the villian here than assad is. also assad being responsible for those attacks just doesn't seem very likely, they happened the day before he was going to draft a peace treaty. really this is war has a lot to with israel and a lot do with oil pipelines, there's even a wikileak that mentions this falseflag. this isn't even some tinfoil hat consipracy nutjob stuff as it makes a lot more realistic sense than trump as some kind of democratic middle eastern freedom fighter as i said

 

[Black Zero]

[MENTION=42489]Black Zero[/MENTION] the U.N reports in 2013 show that the Assad regime did use Chemicals to attack civilians in Eastern Ghouta. Obama said that Assad crossed a red line but didnt do anything.

In 2014 Assad declared that he didnt possess chemical weapons anymore.

Also we know that ISIS have mustard and chemicals now too.

If the other rebels have chemical weapons capability in Idlib then why havent they ever used these weapons against the regime.

It cant be put past the Assad regime to commit acts like this. He has killed more unarmed civilians than anyone in this war.

The shame is that the strongest opposition to Assad are Islamist Jihadists.

I have a few Syrian Christian friends who while they reluctantly support Assad but living under the Baathist police state and corrupt regime where dissent is crushed is no fun for.most citizens.

The U.S shouldnt intervene any more than this though.

They need a green light to use it.

Russia blames USA that strike was planned even before Idlib incident. (we will know the truth in 5-10 years times)

maybe just a hit on weapon cache, triggered the stored chemical weapons.

 

[Black Zero]

[MENTION=42489]Black Zero[/MENTION] the U.N reports in 2013 show that the Assad regime did use Chemicals to attack civilians in Eastern Ghouta. Obama said that Assad crossed a red line but didnt do anything.

In 2014 Assad declared that he didnt possess chemical weapons anymore.

Also we know that ISIS have mustard and chemicals now too.

If the other rebels have chemical weapons capability in Idlib then why havent they ever used these weapons against the regime.

It cant be put past the Assad regime to commit acts like this. He has killed more unarmed civilians than anyone in this war.

The shame is that the strongest opposition to Assad are Islamist Jihadists.

I have a few Syrian Christian friends who while they reluctantly support Assad but living under the Baathist police state and corrupt regime where dissent is crushed is no fun for.most citizens.

The U.S shouldnt intervene any more than this though.

I do not know if it's justified or not.
But when you are against the world, you become paranoid.

Examples: Iran, Syria, Libya, Cuba.

Or your existence is as stake if freedom is given to public
Examples: Behrain and Israel

 

[Black Zero]

[MENTION=136193]Adil_94[/MENTION]

http://www.inquisitr.com/3059683/hi...-approved-sending-sarin-gas-to-syrian-rebels/

Pulitzer Prize-winning journalist Seymour Hersh believes that Hillary Clinton approved the sending of sarin gas to Syria. At a time when Clinton is trying to secure the 2016 democratic presidential nomination, Hersh is coming forward with allegations that the democratic presidential front-runner and former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton was a go-between the Obama Administration and the leaders of Middle Eastern nations (namely Saudi Arabia, Qatar, and Turkey) to set up a horrific sarin gas attack and place the blame on the shoulders of Assad. Why? So that the U.S. could invade Syria and blame Assad.

“By the terms of the agreement, funding came from Turkey, as well as Saudi Arabia and Qatar; the CIA, with the support of MI6, was responsible for getting arms from Gaddafi’s arsenals into Syria.”
Hersh didn’t elaborate as to whether the “arms” he referred to encompassed the chemical precursors for creating sarin gas, which Libya stockpiled. However, multiple independent reports have independently confirmed that Gaddafi of Libya did, indeed, possess such stockpiles. Additionally, the The Free Thought Project reports, the much-touted U.S. Consulate in Benghazi, Libya was operating as a “rat line” for Gaddafi’s weaponry while Hillary Clinton was at the helm.

 

[syed abbas]

I do not have the words to condemn this brutal and inhumane act by Syrian government.But military strikes by US are no solution to the Syrian crisis.Military strikes aggravated the problem in Afghanistan,Iraq and Libya.These military strikes,on the contrary,helped the rise of ISIS.
The main problem in Syria is that all big powers are engaged in proxy wars.Every country wants to turn the balance of power in its favour by helping their proxies.Iran,due to fear of regional isolation and to counter Saudi Arabia,is helping Asad regime.Saudi Arabia has its own interest.It wants to isolate,hurt and counter Iran by toppling Asad.
USA has their own concerns.Apparently,they pretend to fight against ISIS,but their policy of arming MODERATE-REBELS has backfired.USA wants to contain Russian and Chinese influence in Middle East.
Russia has also military,economic and strategic interests in Syria.It has Mediterranean naval base at Tartus.Syria buys huge amount of weapons from Russia.Russia and USA are engaged in new COLD WAR,the victim of which is Syria.
The Syrian crisis has global implications.It can even trigger war among the nuclear powers.The solution to Syrian crisis is dialogue and dialogue only.For that to happen,the big powers need to set aside their interests and ego.International cooperation is needed to diffuse the Syrian crisis.

 

[PakLFC]

It is terrible to see what is being done to the Arab people. All the rest of the world is doing is blaming each other for this.

 

[carbon11]

Nothing but a tamasha , USA warned Russia beforehand about the attack

The attack was nothing didn't cause any significant damage or will change anything on the ground

Just fooling the world

USA/Russia are hand in glove in what's happening Syria all are happy that Assad is in power and have turned blind eye to all the killings and chaos


I think only option is for Muslim world is to take all Syrian sunnis in their country as refugees , only way they the civilian people can now be saved

Muslims sunnis should leave Syria and Iraq , and migrate to turkey gulf countries Pakistan etc and let these Shia alawites usa Russia then live in Syria and Iraq


trust me if all sunnis left Syria Iraq these would be dumbstruck on what to do

 

[Cracket]

Sometimes, I almost want to side with the neocons as Middle East will never stop fighting each other. Its all about which sect of Islam comes out on the top as CIA/Mossad all too easily stoke the tensions and plays divide and conquer to get their greater Israel plans through.

 

[Markhor]

The reaction of the mainstream media has been revolting. What happened to holding Trump's feet to the fire ? Just like the Democratic Party, they've all fallen in line, one NYT headline reads "On Syria Attack, Trump's heart came first" !

Are you KIDDING me ?! Where was Trump's heart when he ordered a botched raid in Yemen WITHOUT sufficient intelligence resulting in the deaths of 10 women and children ?

Where was Trump's heart as he loosened the rules of engagement resulting in a THOUSAND civilian deaths in March in Iraq and Syria from coalition airstrikes - a RECORD amount for a single month since the campaign began.

Trump is no different to his predecessors, he's in the pocket of the war machine and military-industrial complex - one only needed to see his defence appointments to know that. I feel sorry for the naive schmucks in the US and on PakPassion who actually believed he'd be a non-interventionist.

 

[Saeed]

Sometimes, I almost want to side with the neocons as Middle East will never stop fighting each other. Its all about which sect of Islam comes out on the top as CIA/Mossad all too easily stoke the tensions and plays divide and conquer to get their greater Israel plans through.

It's ok bro, don't be disappointed by Trump. Did you learn the greater Israel conspiracy theory from David Duke?

 

[shaykh]

I do find it odd just how many people are certain Assad didn't use chemical weapons...

HR Watch spoke about 2013:

“Rocket debris and symptoms of the victims from the August 21 attacks on Ghouta provide telltale evidence about the weapon systems used,” said Peter Bouckaert, emergencies director at Human Rights Watch and author of the report. “This evidence strongly suggests that Syrian government troops launched rockets carrying chemical warheads into the Damascus suburbs that terrible morning.”

And this report documents eight occasions where chlorine gas has been used:

https://www.hrw.org/news/2017/02/13/syria-coordinated-chemical-attacks-aleppo

Now what I expect is Assad lovers to start criticising HRW...however i'm sure they have no problem with quoting HRW when they attack Saudi Arabia for what they are doing in Yemen, or Israel for their use of white phosphorus in Gaza...

What we also know about Assad is he was asked to get rid of his stockpile of chemical weapons...we have it confirmed that Syria had chemical weapons in 2013 including sarin yet everyone is certain they didn't use them...what seems to make more sense to some is the rebels constantly gas themselves...

Add the fact that sources have come out and said that the Russian explanation makes no sense...ie that if you bomb sarin you destroy it...the stronger arguments points to Assad using it...

As for what did he have to gain?...well rebels have done well in recent weeks, he's got away with using it before...whether you believe he used them or not...he was accused of it and wasn't punished...so why not believe he can get away with it again?...

As for this being a false flag so the US can act unilaterally...frankly this whole conflict has given the US an available pretext...Assad has done worse...

 

[Black Zero]

[MENTION=42489]Black Zero[/MENTION] the U.N reports in 2013 show that the Assad regime did use Chemicals to attack civilians in Eastern Ghouta. Obama said that Assad crossed a red line but didnt do anything.

In 2014 Assad declared that he didnt possess chemical weapons anymore.

Also we know that ISIS have mustard and chemicals now too.

If the other rebels have chemical weapons capability in Idlib then why havent they ever used these weapons against the regime.

It cant be put past the Assad regime to commit acts like this. He has killed more unarmed civilians than anyone in this war.

The shame is that the strongest opposition to Assad are Islamist Jihadists.

I have a few Syrian Christian friends who while they reluctantly support Assad but living under the Baathist police state and corrupt regime where dissent is crushed is no fun for.most citizens.

The U.S shouldnt intervene any more than this though.

Please direct me to the exact paragraph of the report as i could not find such in the report.

 

[Muhammad10]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">find someone who looks at you the way the US media looks at bombs <a href="https://t.co/GdMoc33NCO">pic.twitter.com/GdMoc33NCO</a></p>— Adam H. Johnson (@adamjohnsonNYC) <a href="https://twitter.com/adamjohnsonNYC/status/850981927364571136">April 9, 2017</a></blockquote>
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[KingKhanWC]

^

It's fascinating these media people and some other from such nations who glorify their bombs but cry the most when bombs inflict them.

 

[FlickedOffHips]

In a case of Ultimate Irony, the King of Fake News might have fallen for Fake News.

 

[FlickedOffHips]

On a separate note, don't sleep on Tulsi Gabbard. This woman will be president one day.

 

[Cracket]

On a separate note, don't sleep on Tulsi Gabbard. This woman will be president one day.

If she does, it will be in spite of the establishment. Her pro-Assad/anti-intervention stance puts her at severe odds with congress, media and CIA.

If she gets the right push from DNC, she could easily become Prez. But she will never get that until she changes her tune on foreign policy.

 

[Cracket]

It's ok bro, don't be disappointed by Trump. Did you learn the greater Israel conspiracy theory from David Duke?

Nope, Palestinians. Though Duke is right too.

 

[KingKhanWC]

Nope, Palestinians. Though Duke is right too.

Google Earth is a good source too.

 

[FlickedOffHips]

If she does, it will be in spite of the establishment. Her pro-Assad/anti-intervention stance puts her at severe odds with congress, media and CIA.

If she gets the right push from DNC, she could easily become Prez. But she will never get that until she changes her tune on foreign policy.

It's a good thing that all of those institutions can be fickle. In 8-12 years, different winds could be blowing in the US, especially if Trump leads US into another unnecessary war. Her view on foreign policy might become the accepted view as it is the most sensible.

While her POV can be called Pro-Assad, she is also pro common sense in what she says- that there needs to be a way found to bring stability in Syria. It certainly beats the Anti-Assad position which has been to back Jihadists, Salafists and other such sort of people.


Gabbard is really the standout future candidate amongst the Dems IMO. She has intelligence, honesty, bravery, and gravitas in her voice that Shillary never had.

 

[Cracket]

It's a good thing that all of those institutions can be fickle. In 8-12 years, different winds could be blowing in the US, especially if Trump leads US into another unnecessary war. Her view on foreign policy might become the accepted view as it is the most sensible.

While her POV can be called Pro-Assad, she is also pro common sense in what she says- that there needs to be a way found to bring stability in Syria. It certainly beats the Anti-Assad position which has been to back Jihadists, Salafists and other such sort of people.


Gabbard is really the standout future candidate amongst the Dems IMO. She has intelligence, honesty, bravery, and gravitas in her voice that Shillary never had.

In 8-12 years, neocons will still be neocons, CIA will still be a Zionist/Mossad shop, and they will still control 90% of the mainstream media in USA.

People are already anti-war in USA. Yet they manage to goad people into another war via propaganda. Who can say no to war when all they see in news is babies being gassed with a 100% confirmation that it is Assad - like CNN/Reuters/A.P. and all western establishment media is claiming today?

Gabbard is good, smart and intelligent but she will face exactly what Trump faced for opposing CIA/Neocon agenda in Middle East. The news will call her a puppet of foreign regimes like Iran/Russia and will do everything to character assassinate her. The only thing different will be that instead of Assad, in 10 years it will be Iran committing "atrocities" on its citizens that U.S. will need to stop.

 

[Robert]

surely you and robert don't actually believe any kind of humanitarian narrative, that trump cares so much about some muslims in syria and he is going to help them from big bad assad.

I think Trump is doing the right thing for the wrong reasons, which may include trying to persuade his own opponents in the Senate and House that he is not Putin's puppet.

But maybe he has also realised that he has to be the world's policeman and enforce the UN's will regarding this horror.

 

[Robert]

Have you totally forgotten the last 15 years? Maybe you should recall the baby incubator lie in Iraq along with the 45 min lie which led to the immoral invasion of Iraq, resulting in the chaos and blood we see today.

As for chemical weapons, in 2013 it was the so called rebels who were responsible but continued to see support from the 'allies'. The so called worlds policemen, civilised world also themselves have used chemical weapons in Fallujah, resulting in babies being born deformed. They also supported the use of white phosphorous by Israel against Palestinians.

Assad may be a tyrant but anyone who believes the Americans give a damn about Syrians lives are deluded. An entity who has killed more civillians around the world than any other doesn't one day wake up morality running through it's veins.

It's frankly disgusting the Americans have meddled in Syria, causing it to be destroyed just for the imperial interests against Russia and on behalf of Israel.

Not to mention spraying hundred of thousands of DU penetrators all over Basra causing radiation sickness, cancers and teratogenicity. In effect, deployment of WMD.

But that wrong things were done in the past does not mean that right things cannot be done in the present.

 

[KingKhanWC]

Not to mention spraying hundred of thousands of DU penetrators all over Basra causing radiation sickness, cancers and teratogenicity. In effect, deployment of WMD.

But that wrong things were done in the past does not mean that right things cannot be done in the present.

It's a bit too optimistic to assume those who made grave errors of aggression to suddenly turn over a new leaf and become just.

 

[Robert]

It's a bit too optimistic to assume those who made grave errors of aggression to suddenly turn over a new leaf and become just.

Bush 43, Rumsfeld, Cheney, Condi, Rove etc. are all long gone from office.

 

[KingKhanWC]

Bush 43, Rumsfeld, Cheney, Condi, Rove etc. are all long gone from office.

Trump and his advisors are arguably worse. Much worse is to come Robert, keep your eyes peeled.