Tania Aidrus resigns as Special Assistant to PM Imran Khan on Digital Pakistan [Update #63]

[Abdullah719]

This professional can continue to move the country forward if she forsakes her Singaporean residency.

Again - Imran laid the rule himself.

Imran isn't God. That was his opinion.

According to the law, there is nothing wrong with having dual nationals as special assistants. And you know that.

 

[Bewal Express]

Your “urging” from the UK wouldn’t even reach her.

She is free to continue if she agrees to give up her Singaporean residency.

So what matters more to her - making a difference in Naya Pakistan and steering the country forward or Singaporean residency?

She is a dual national, she is an adviser, she is not a MNA, or a cabinet Minister. Let's face if Complere tools that hate PK, and spend time their time on forums trolling people can be paid to to do bugger all, there is a place for professionals like her.

 

[IMMY69]

Hounded out by the mafia.

 

[Bewal Express]

Imran isn't God. That was his opinion.

According to the law, there is nothing wrong with having dual nationals as special assistants. And you know that.

Let's hope we can persuade people like to stay. We need losers like Uncle Tom and more people like her.

 

[Mamoon]

Imran isn't God. That was his opinion.

According to the law, there is nothing wrong with having dual nationals as special assistants. And you know that.

So what is stopping him from enforcing his opinion now that he is the PM?

He said dual citizen holders should not have leadership role in Pakistan because their stakes are not in the country. So why doesn’t that apply to her?

It is not about the law. It is about the reasons Imran provided to criticized the appointment of dual citizenship holders. Somehow, these reasons are not applicable now that the shoe is on the other foot.

Imran’s opinions are applicable on the opposition and not on his own party. It is wrong for PPP/PMLN to employ people with foreign passports but not for him.

Imran might have forgotten what he said in the past but others will not forget. People who put pressure on Tania to resign did the right thing.

 

[Bewal Express]

This professional can continue to move the country forward if she forsakes her Singaporean residency.

Again - Imran laid the rule himself.

There is no rule, it was opinion and he was wrong and he realised it. These advisers are not front men for money laundering and corruption scams, which was the case under the Nooras and PPP

 

[Mamoon]

She is a dual national, she is an adviser, she is not a MNA, or a cabinet Minister. Let's face if Complere tools that hate PK, and spend time their time on forums trolling people can be paid to to do bugger all, there is a place for professionals like her.

Imran never talked about the cabinet. He stated that you cannot have a “leadership role” in Pakistan if you have a foreign passport. She did have a leadership role.

As far as this distinction between advisor and minister is concerned, are you implying that she is not capable or worthy of being a minister? Would you criticize her appointment if she becomes a minister?

Your frustration and anger should be directed at Imran Khan who established the standard that foreign passport holders cannot have leadership role in Pakistan.

Nevertheless, as I said, I actually agree with Imran on this. Think about it - if things go south in Pakistan, she can conveniently pack her bags and go and live in Singapore which is her insurance policy. How is that fair?

If you want to be a leader in this country then you must not have a fall back option of leaving the country permanently.

 

[Bewal Express]

So what is stopping him from enforcing his opinion now that he is the PM?

He said dual citizen holders should not have leadership role in Pakistan because their stakes are not in the country. So why doesn’t that apply to her?

It is not about the law. It is about the reasons Imran provided to criticized the appointment of dual citizenship holders. Somehow, these reasons are not applicable now that the shoe is on the other foot.

Imran’s opinions are applicable on the opposition and not on his own party. It is wrong for PPP/PMLN to employ people with foreign passports but not for him.

Imran might have forgotten what he said in the past but others will not forget. People who put pressure on Tania to resign did the right thing.

The PPP and Nooras appointed people as fronts for scams and everyone knows it. Have they ever appointed anyone, that wasn't corrupt( I bet you can name them as they are so rare) IK should trusted his judgement, because he won't use people as fronts for scams.

 

[Mamoon]

There is no rule, it was opinion and he was wrong and he realised it. These advisers are not front men for money laundering and corruption scams, which was the case under the Nooras and PPP

Yes it is very convenient for him to realize his mistake now that his government is in the centre. Why didn’t he realize it when he was in the opposition?

 

[Mamoon]

The PPP and Nooras appointed people as fronts for scams and everyone knows it. Have they ever appointed anyone, that wasn't corrupt( I bet you can name them as they are so rare) IK should trusted his judgement, because he won't use people as fronts for scams.

He does use people for scams. His election campaign was funded by JKT, the head of the sugar mafia. Imran has no problem with scam as long as the scam benefits him.

Imran can trust his judgement but the opposition will not forget what he said in the past. He established the rule and he has to live with it now.

 

[Bewal Express]

Imran never talked about the cabinet. He stated that you cannot have a “leadership role” in Pakistan if you have a foreign passport. She did have a leadership role.

As far as this distinction between advisor and minister is concerned, are you implying that she is not capable or worthy of being a minister? Would you criticize her appointment if she becomes a minister?

Your frustration and anger should be directed at Imran Khan who established the standard that foreign passport holders cannot have leadership role in Pakistan.

Nevertheless, as I said, I actually agree with Imran on this. Think about it - if things go south in Pakistan, she can conveniently pack her bags and go and live in Singapore which is her insurance policy. How is that fair?

If you want to be a leader in this country then you must not have a fall back option of leaving the country permanently.

Firstly, it's not the law. Then she is a an advisor, if she advises something, such a as a change in the law, it has to go through Parliament. IK kept his word on the assets of his advisors, but losers like you have no understanding that is a big change and that should have been enough. We have the likes Tania and the Dr Asim, who was a front man for the PPP and AZ.

 

[Bewal Express]

He does use people for scams. His election campaign was funded by JKT, the head of the sugar mafia. Imran has no problem with scam as long as the scam benefits him.

Imran can trust his judgement but the opposition will not forget what he said in the past. He established the rule and he has to live with it now.

He used no one for scams. The proof is that JT had no cases against him since he joined PTI, not one. Surely the Nooras would have found something. The case now will go to court and he will be punished accordingly, if proven. You should stick to NS, Billo, David and Maryam.

 

[Abdullah719]

So what is stopping him from enforcing his opinion now that he is the PM?

He said dual citizen holders should not have leadership role in Pakistan because their stakes are not in the country. So why doesn’t that apply to her?

It is not about the law. It is about the reasons Imran provided to criticized the appointment of dual citizenship holders. Somehow, these reasons are not applicable now that the shoe is on the other foot.

Imran’s opinions are applicable on the opposition and not on his own party. It is wrong for PPP/PMLN to employ people with foreign passports but not for him.

Imran might have forgotten what he said in the past but others will not forget. People who put pressure on Tania to resign did the right thing.

Semantics.

You are more concerned about what people are saying or thinking rather than the betterment of Pakistan.

Fine. Please list out the names of people who are qualified to take on this role instead of her.

 

[Abdullah719]

She was facing opposition from multiple fronts.

A group of journalists have been attacking her regarding her ties with Jahangir Tareen and the company that they set up.

Then, there is the dual nationality brigade.

Additionally, there are people within the govt. who didn't like her as well.

Win-win for bureaucracy.

 

[Slim]

PUBG got banned during her time, talks of banning YouTube and basically every popular app under the sun underwent during her time. What was her contribution? I am genuinely curious. Advisors are not required to be only Pakistani nationals, there is no law about nationality of advisors even though this is a big loophole in the system. Question is, was this an easy escape by Tania?

 

[Extra_Cover]

It is a question of having dual passports. Imran made it very clear in the past that no person with a foreign passport should have a leadership role in the country. So why is that not applicable to his party now?

She is free to continue in her role if she gives up her Singaporean residency.

Whilst I do agree that a passport holder of another country should not run for elections and have a seat in Parliament but this is different.

For example, if a country decide that its public hospitals would be automated for surgeries and the health minister delegates that work to a consultant group from South Korea, would this be an issue?

I'm struggling to see the fundamentals of the argument here. If I get the facts right, PM of Pakistan has decided for digitisation of certain sectors in Pakistan and have delegated this task to Tania who is a resident of Singapore. How is her doing this work on behalf of PM any legal issue?

 

[Bewal Express]

Semantics.

You are more concerned about what people are saying or thinking rather than the betterment of Pakistan.

Fine. Please list out the names of people who are qualified to take on this role instead of her.

Has Uncle Tom ever shown care for the betterment of PK. They are desperate for bad things so that they can agree with haters from across the border.

 

[Abdullah719]

PUBG got banned during her time, talks of banning YouTube and basically every popular app under the sun underwent during her time. What was her contribution? I am genuinely curious. Advisors are not required to be only Pakistani nationals, there is no law about nationality of advisors even though this is a big loophole in the system. Question is, was this an easy escape by Tania?

She doesn't control PTA or the Supreme Court. She opposed the proposed YouTube ban.

 

[Bewal Express]

She doesn't control PTA or the Supreme Court. She opposed the proposed YouTube ban.

These Nooras dont even do basic research.

 

[the Great Khan]

These Nooras dont even do basic research.

they dont know what research is. Jummah jummah aath din nahin hoay aur expert bun gay hain.

 

[Mamoon]

Semantics.

You are more concerned about what people are saying or thinking rather than the betterment of Pakistan.

Fine. Please list out the names of people who are qualified to take on this role instead of her.

Imran categorically stated that dual passport holders cannot have leadership role in Pakistan because they do not have stakes in the country.

However, he did not apply that logic to his own party. How is that semantics?

She is qualified for sure, but the problem is that she has Singaporean residency. If she is willing to give it up, no one will have any problem with her continuing in her capacity.

 

[Abdullah719]

Imran categorically stated that dual passport holders cannot have leadership role in Pakistan because they do not have stakes in the country.

However, he did not apply that logic to his own party. How is that semantics?

She is qualified for sure, but the problem is that she has Singaporean residency. If she is willing to give it up, no one will have any problem with her continuing in her capacity.

Well, I disagree with him. Appointments should be based on a person's qualifications and their capability for their job, not the color of their passport.

The Canadian passport is the bigger bone of contention here rather than the Singaporean residency, anyway.

Take the example of Moeed Yusuf. He is highly rated by many intellectuals and yet the media is making a fuss because he has American residency. So what? If he can do a job for Pakistan then I don't care. Who else should we appoint to these roles? Fayyaz ul Hasan Chohan and Talal Chaudhry?

 

[Mamoon]

Well, I disagree with him. Appointments should be based on a person's qualifications and their capability for their job, not the color of their passport.

The Canadian passport is the bigger bone of contention here rather than the Singaporean residency, anyway.

Take the example of Moeed Yusuf. He is highly rated by many intellectuals and yet the media is making a fuss because he has American residency. So what? If he can do a job for Pakistan then I don't care. Who else should we appoint to these roles? Fayyaz ul Hasan Chohan and Talal Chaudhry?

Well you can disagree with him but he cannot get away with what he stated previously. He established a standard and the opposition is right in forcing him to maintain that standard.

 

[Mamoon]

Whilst I do agree that a passport holder of another country should not run for elections and have a seat in Parliament but this is different.

For example, if a country decide that its public hospitals would be automated for surgeries and the health minister delegates that work to a consultant group from South Korea, would this be an issue?

I'm struggling to see the fundamentals of the argument here. If I get the facts right, PM of Pakistan has decided for digitisation of certain sectors in Pakistan and have delegated this task to Tania who is a resident of Singapore. How is her doing this work on behalf of PM any legal issue?

It is not a legal issue but a matter of principle. Does she have a leadership position in the country? Yes she does, and Imran explicitly asserted, before he was the PM, that you cannot have a leadership position in the country if you have a foreign passport because you do not have all your stakes and interests in the country and you can simply run away forever if things go south.

 

[Mamoon]

He used no one for scams. The proof is that JT had no cases against him since he joined PTI, not one. Surely the Nooras would have found something. The case now will go to court and he will be punished accordingly, if proven. You should stick to NS, Billo, David and Maryam.

If he is proven, will Imran resign for having his campaign funded by a mafia?

Of course he will not resign. Everything is halal and justified for him.

 

[Extra_Cover]

Well, I disagree with him. Appointments should be based on a person's qualifications and their capability for their job, not the color of their passport.

The Canadian passport is the bigger bone of contention here rather than the Singaporean residency, anyway.

Take the example of Moeed Yusuf. He is highly rated by many intellectuals and yet the media is making a fuss because he has American residency. So what? If he can do a job for Pakistan then I don't care. Who else should we appoint to these roles? Fayyaz ul Hasan Chohan and Talal Chaudhry?

There is no point of argument on this logic. I had the following post on this topic and quite frankly I cannot see any logical answer to this question.

Whilst I do agree that a passport holder of another country should not run for elections and have a seat in Parliament but this is different.

For example, if a country decide that its public hospitals would be automated for surgeries and the health minister delegates that work to a consultant group from South Korea, would this be an issue?

I'm struggling to see the fundamentals of the argument here. If I get the facts right, PM of Pakistan has decided for digitisation of certain sectors in Pakistan and have delegated this task to Tania who is a resident of Singapore. How is her doing this work on behalf of PM any legal issue?

 

[Abdullah719]

Well you can disagree with him but he cannot get away with what he stated previously. He established a standard and the opposition is right in forcing him to maintain that standard.

The opposition is even playing politics over FATF. So of course they won't let it go.

 

[Mamoon]

There is no point of argument on this logic. I had the following post on this topic and quite frankly I cannot see any logical answer to this question.

Do you see any logic in Imran Khan’s statement that a dual citizen cannot have a leadership role in the country because he/she does not have stakes in the country?

If you don’t see any logic in demanding Tania’s resignation, then you should not see any logic in Imran’s statement either.

 

[Extra_Cover]

It is not a legal issue but a matter of principle. Does she have a leadership position in the country? Yes she does, and Imran explicitly asserted, before he was the PM, that you cannot have a leadership position in the country if you have a foreign passport because you do not have all your stakes and interests in the country and you can simply run away forever if things go south.

What is a leadership role?
Lahore metro has been constructed with help of Turkey engineering. Was Turkey taking a leadership role in Pakistan's society by that logic?
Dubai is an example of German architecture and recently launched a Mars mission from Japanese engineering and soil. Is Germany and Japan taking leadership role in construction and space sectors of Dubai?
China would be providing 5G technology across most of Europe and Asia in the near future. Is China taking a leadership role in all countries by providing telecom and connectivity?

If the above are not examples of leadership then how is appointment of Tania to oversee a Digital Pakistan initiative a leadership role?

 

[Mamoon]

The opposition is even playing politics over FATF. So of course they won't let it go.

Well you reap what you sow. They are only doing a fraction of what PTI did while in the opposition.

 

[Mamoon]

What is a leadership role?
Lahore metro has been constructed with help of Turkey engineering. Was Turkey taking a leadership role in Pakistan's society by that logic?
Dubai is an example of German architecture and recently launched a Mars mission from Japanese engineering and soil. Is Germany and Japan taking leadership role in construction and space sectors of Dubai?
China would be providing 5G technology across most of Europe and Asia in the near future. Is China taking a leadership role in all countries by providing telecom and connectivity?

If the above are not examples of leadership then how is appointment of Tania to oversee a Digital Pakistan initiative a leadership role?

Ask Imran Khan, he made the statement and did not provide any context.

He did not say that special assistants are exempt from his sweeping statement.

Fact is that Tania has no interests in the country and couldn’t care less what happens in the future.

She is just getting free publicity and if this whole Digital Pakistan drama does not work, she can pack her bags and go to Singapore without any liability.

If she really cares then perhaps she should give up her Singaporean residency.

 

[Syed1]

This is because of all the jahil do takkay ke paindus jinko apnay ghar mein koi salan kay liyay dosri dafa nahi pochta leken social media pe ajatay hain bhonknay

 

[Extra_Cover]

Ask Imran Khan, he made the statement and did not provide any context.

He did not say that special assistants are exempt from his sweeping statement.

Fact is that Tania has no interests in the country and couldn’t care less what happens in the future.

She is just getting free publicity and if this whole Digital Pakistan drama does not work, she can pack her bags and go to Singapore without any liability.

If she really cares then perhaps she should give up her Singaporean residency.

This is a weak argument, you have been harping around the issue of leadership role in Pakistan you cannot justify the meaning of it? On face if it, I assume when Nawaz mentioned Khalai Makhlooq I'm quite confident you took those words on face value as well and believe aliens legitimately had a say in Pakistan politics.

On topic, a leadership role in Pakistan is associated with the power of determining and implementing national policies. For example, as you are healthcare professional the protocols around carrying out covid-19 testing would be politicised by the health ministry down to your public hospital. In your case health ministry is in the leadership role.

In case of Tania, she would assist the information technology ministry to develop the protocols of Digital Pakistan. She would help lay out a flow process of the implementation which would then be reviewed by the Information Minister and approved. Therefore, the leadership role lies with the information ministry here.

Neither, she ran for elections in Pakistan and neither she is a member of Parliament. The member of Parliaments can take a decision for Pakistan's society and the decision they took was to delegate an initiative to Tania. Hope the definitions have become clearer for you now.

 

[Bewal Express]

This is a weak argument, you have been harping around the issue of leadership role in Pakistan you cannot justify the meaning of it? On face if it, I assume when Nawaz mentioned Khalai Makhlooq I'm quite confident you took those words on face value as well and believe aliens legitimately had a say in Pakistan politics.

On topic, a leadership role in Pakistan is associated with the power of determining and implementing national policies. For example, as you are healthcare professional the protocols around carrying out covid-19 testing would be politicised by the health ministry down to your public hospital. In your case health ministry is in the leadership role.

In case of Tania, she would assist the information technology ministry to develop the protocols of Digital Pakistan. She would help lay out a flow process of the implementation which would then be reviewed by the Information Minister and approved. Therefore, the leadership role lies with the information ministry here.

Neither, she ran for elections in Pakistan and neither she is a member of Parliament. The member of Parliaments can take a decision for Pakistan's society and the decision they took was to delegate an initiative to Tania. Hope the definitions have become clearer for you now.

Stop trying to explain basic things to complete tools that only wish ill things on PK.

 

[Bewal Express]

If he is proven, will Imran resign for having his campaign funded by a mafia?

Of course he will not resign. Everything is halal and justified for him.

IK should pay back any contributions he made if found guilty. But why did the Nooras not prosecute when they had the chance? JT was in opposition for 10 years, and no investigations were started, so does that mean he didnt do anything wrong?

 

[Slog]

Unfortunate decision but unfortunately had to be taken due to Imran’s history of foot in mouth disease and habit of making big statements.

 

[Bewal Express]

Unfortunate decision but unfortunately had to be taken due to Imran’s history of foot in mouth disease and habit of making big statements.

The release of the asset details was more than enough. He did what he promised, and this decision was not needed by Tania. If PK loses experienced, good people that care for the country, and leave itself at the mercy of crooks, who have stolen billions, we are heading towards chaos, sooner or later.

 

[chinaman00]

Why doesn’t IK resign since the media and opposition are also leveling bad faith attacks against him? Today’s resignations were utterly ridiculous. Once again, a top notch talent hounded away through coordinated and mischievous bad faith attacks. Any overseas Pakistani that now wants to return and contribute to the welfare of Pakistan under spineless IK deserves similar treatment.

Unbelievable.

 

[saeedhk]

She overreacted!She was an asset! Very capable!

 

[Bewal Express]

Why doesn’t IK resign since the media and opposition are also leveling bad faith attacks against him? Today’s resignations were utterly ridiculous. Once again, a top notch talent hounded away through coordinated and mischievous bad faith attacks. Any overseas Pakistani that now wants to return and contribute to the welfare of Pakistan under spineless IK deserves similar treatment.

Unbelievable.

Your attack makes no sense, he didnt ask for them to resign, he didnt sack them, he brought them back.

 

[MenInG]

http://www.cabinet.gov.pk/Detail/NzJhNWYyNzYtZGZkZC00NzZjLTg5ZDAtMmJkZjMzMDQ1ZGQ4

 

[MenInG]

Dont shoot the messenger (ie me!)

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Prime Minister Imran Khan's aides on Health and Digital Pakistan resigned earlier today one after the other, leading to a debate in the media as to what had happened behind the doors.

Speaking of the resignations of the premier's special assistants, senior anchorperson Hamid Mir shared the inside details with Geo News, saying neither tendered their resignation voluntarily but were told to step down instead.

Quoting sources close to the prime minister, Mir said there was a conflict of interest issue with Tania Aidrus, which she had failed to defend before the officials.

He said Aidrus had reportedly established an NGO, the Digital Pakistan Foundation, which was not in the knowledge of the concerned authorities.

However, while she was not drawing any monetary benefits from it, the NGO was a matter of conflict of interest, Mir said. Aidrus was also under pressure from her family to quit after the controversy over her dual nationality erupted.

As for Dr Zafar Mirza, the senior anchorperson said he was facing an inquiry regarding the import of medicines and a recent hike in the price of drugs.

"The health official could not satisfy regarding the price hike and had reportedly said that he was not directly responsible for it," Mir said.

"The prime minister has launched an inquiry into this," Mir added, noting that Dr Mirza had earlier offered to quit but was told to resign today.

Mir said he was told the performance of other special assistants and advisers is also being examined and action would be taken after the review is complete.

https://www.geo.tv/latest/300360-ta...a-resignations-what-happened-behind-the-doors

 

[Mamoon]

This is a weak argument, you have been harping around the issue of leadership role in Pakistan you cannot justify the meaning of it? On face if it, I assume when Nawaz mentioned Khalai Makhlooq I'm quite confident you took those words on face value as well and believe aliens legitimately had a say in Pakistan politics.

On topic, a leadership role in Pakistan is associated with the power of determining and implementing national policies. For example, as you are healthcare professional the protocols around carrying out covid-19 testing would be politicised by the health ministry down to your public hospital. In your case health ministry is in the leadership role.

In case of Tania, she would assist the information technology ministry to develop the protocols of Digital Pakistan. She would help lay out a flow process of the implementation which would then be reviewed by the Information Minister and approved. Therefore, the leadership role lies with the information ministry here.

Neither, she ran for elections in Pakistan and neither she is a member of Parliament. The member of Parliaments can take a decision for Pakistan's society and the decision they took was to delegate an initiative to Tania. Hope the definitions have become clearer for you now.

She was the head of the digital Pakistan program. That is a leadership position. Hence, she was not fit for the criteria Imran himself established while he was in the opposition.

He didn’t provide any context to what he meant by “leadership position”, so your definition of leadership in the context of Pakistan is just a convenient justification to save the positions of Tania and Dr. Zafar.

Imran’s position on dual citizenship holders has backfired. PTI supporters should direct their frustration and anger at their leader who opens his mouth without thinking.

 

[ahmedzee]

It is humiliating for you because you were denying the rumors that her days are numbered. As I told earlier, this was the Asad Umar all over again.

Cult-followers were praising him and rubbishing the rumors of his resignation a day before it happened.

I told you her days were numbered because it was obvious for anyone who didn’t have blinkers on.

Her LinkedIn in the future:

“Couldn’t even last in in Naya Pakistan for a year. The youth brigade were doing bhangra on my appointment for nothing”

It is a question of having dual passports. Imran made it very clear in the past that no person with a foreign passport should have a leadership role in the country. So why is that not applicable to his party now?

She is free to continue in her role if she gives up her Singaporean residency.

This professional can continue to move the country forward if she forsakes her Singaporean residency.

Again - Imran laid the rule himself.

Looking at people like you, honestly I feel sometimes Pakistan deserve incompetent corrupt leaders like sharifs and zardaris who will loot millions and leave Pakistan in dire state. People like you deserve nothing less.

 

[last_knight]

Bad news.
But rules should be for all. When he was in opposition, IK criticized PMLn & PPP wrt Dual Nationality and shouldn't change rules now if he is PM.

If other nationality is closer to hearts of SAPMs it's better if they don't work in official capacity and govt should hire them in private capacity.

 

[JaDed]

She was the head of the digital Pakistan program. That is a leadership position. Hence, she was not fit for the criteria Imran himself established while he was in the opposition.

He didn’t provide any context to what he meant by “leadership position”, so your definition of leadership in the context of Pakistan is just a convenient justification to save the positions of Tania and Dr. Zafar.

Imran’s position on dual citizenship holders has backfired. PTI supporters should direct their frustration and anger at their leader who opens his mouth without thinking.

But you are the one living in Pak, also efficiency > hypocrisy, it's ok to be hypocritical if you are efficient was she not better than all the duds before.

Her specific expertise in South Asia(except India) was a major factor, it's not only a loss for PTI supporters but even for you.

 

[Greenstorm]

Clean and competent people cannot last in present system.

It is basically IK was everyone atm.

This system needs overhaul. The
sooner we shift towards presidential system the better.

 

[Abdullah719]

The likes of Zulfi Bukhari and other dual nationality holders are still SAPMs and I doubt they will be going anywhere.

I don't think this was about the dual nationality. Either of the two other reasons (the company set up by her or internal politics) are more likely reasons for what happened. Bad news, either way.

 

[JaDed]

Clean and competent people cannot last in present system.

It is basically IK was everyone atm.

This system needs overhaul. The
sooner we shift towards presidential system the better.

Yes because System is the issue, also if you think IK is everyone atm what do you think happens in a presidential system?

 

[Greenstorm]

Yes because System is the issue, also if you think IK is everyone atm what do you think happens in a presidential system?

Sorry, I meant IK vs* everyone.

In a presidential system, he will have enough power to bring necessary reforms. Things will start improving only when crooks will be brought to justice.

 

[Mamoon]

The likes of Zulfi Bukhari and other dual nationality holders are still SAPMs and I doubt they will be going anywhere.

I don't think this was about the dual nationality. Either of the two other reasons (the company set up by her or internal politics) are more likely reasons for what happened. Bad news, either way.

Zulfi’s is Imran’s friend and he has lot of secrets on him so he is not going anywhere. He should but he won’t.

 

[Abdullah719]

Zulfi’s is Imran’s friend and he has lot of secrets on him so he is not going anywhere. He should but he won’t.

Yeah, ok.

I'm sure Nadeem Babar and Shehzad Qasim are "friends" too.

 

[Mamoon]

But you are the one living in Pak, also efficiency > hypocrisy, it's ok to be hypocritical if you are efficient was she not better than all the duds before.

Her specific expertise in South Asia(except India) was a major factor, it's not only a loss for PTI supporters but even for you.

This digital Pakistan bull crap will not do anything in the long-term. It is just a drama.

So this will not impact the country in any shape or form.

 

[saeedhk]

Apparently, she was asked to resign. But why?What is full story?

 

[JaDed]

This digital Pakistan bull crap will not do anything in the long-term. It is just a drama.

So this will not impact the country in any shape or form.

This is why Pakistanis will always remain high on happiness index.

 

[Itachi]

Let me get this right.

She had two options.

1. Give up Singapore residency and build the naya Pakistan. Or,

2. Keep the Singapore residency and leave the post.

She chose her self interest over the country. Doesn't seem illogical as to why foreign residents should not be made policy makers.

She could have set an example but she chose the easy way out. Wasn't that is the very reason IK was opposing the idea in past?

 

[Abdullah719]

Let me get this right.

She had two options.

1. Give up Singapore residency and build the naya Pakistan. Or,

2. Keep the Singapore residency and leave the post.

She chose her self interest over the country. Doesn't seem illogical as to why foreign residents should not be made policy makers.

She could have set an example but she chose the easy way out. Wasn't that is the very reason IK was opposing the idea in past?

According to many reports, she was asked to resign. And not due to her Canadian citizenship or Singaporean residency. Though much of it is source-based while some is speculation, so no one knows who to believe.

 

[ahmedzee]

Honestly i feel hopeless, when someone like Tania, who left her amazing job in Google actually came to work for the betterment of Pakistan just because of her Pakistani roots.

This year I was honestly thinking the same thing. I want to come to Pakistan and leave my lucrative energy job in Canada so I can contribute towards Energy in Pakistan for the betterment of Pakistan, even though I do have dual citizenship. I want Pakistan to prosper and when I see this treatment towards Pakistan, what would people like me think when they really want to contribute towards Pakistan.

This is extremely disappointing and has actually broken my heart and dreams of doing something for Pakistan.

 

[Itachi]

Honestly i feel hopeless, when someone like Tania, who left her amazing job in Google actually came to work for the betterment of Pakistan just because of her Pakistani roots.

This year I was honestly thinking the same thing. I want to come to Pakistan and leave my lucrative energy job in Canada so I can contribute towards Energy in Pakistan for the betterment of Pakistan, eventhough I do have dual citizenship. I want Pakistan to prosper and when I see this treatment towards Pakistan, what would people like me think when they really want to contribute towards Pakistan.

This is extremely disappointing and has actually broken my heart and dreams of doing something for Pakistan.

I don't understand this thought process. If you really want to do something for the country, then nothing should hinder your efforts. If conflict of interest arise due to dual citizenship, it will be a negligible sacirifce comapred to the interest of the nation.

Don't ask what the nation has given to you,

You should ask what you have given to the nation.

Then why you need a safety blanket? Is personal interest coming before the interest of the nation?

 

[MenInG]

Have deleted and edited posts.

Do not make any references to each other's families etc or you may well be banned.

 

[Syed1]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="ur" dir="rtl">اس ملک میں کچھ وزرائے اعظم امپورٹ ہوتے رہے ، ایک وزیر اعظم کے پاس اقامہ تھا، ایک وزیر دفاع یو اے ای میں ملازمت بھی چلاتے رہے، موجودہ حکومت نے بغیر کسی قانونی تقاضےکے معاونین اور مشیروں کی شہریت عوام کے سامنے رکھوائی اور ہمیں اب یہ ملک دشمن نظر آ رہے ہیں</p>— Adeel Warraich (@AdeelJavedCh) <a href="https://twitter.com/AdeelJavedCh/status/1288510965189955584?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">July 29, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>



Certain people on here were ok with NS having UAE work permit while being a sitting PM

 

[BreadPakoda]

Let me get this right.

She had two options.

1. Give up Singapore residency and build the naya Pakistan. Or,

2. Keep the Singapore residency and leave the post.

She chose her self interest over the country. Doesn't seem illogical as to why foreign residents should not be made policy makers.

She could have set an example but she chose the easy way out. Wasn't that is the very reason IK was opposing the idea in past?

Why does she have to make that choice in the first place? Why can’t she retain her Singaporean PR and work for her country?

Is it that people who don’t avail or get (for most part) foreign opportunities more loyal to their country?

 

[cric_man]

But you are the one living in Pak, also efficiency > hypocrisy, it's ok to be hypocritical if you are efficient was she not better than all the duds before.

Her specific expertise in South Asia(except India) was a major factor, it's not only a loss for PTI supporters but even for you.

Yup, in his case he would run cut the nose to spite the face.....

 

[Mamoon]

Why does she have to make that choice in the first place? Why can’t she retain her Singaporean PR and work for her country?

Is it that people who don’t avail or get (for most part) foreign opportunities more loyal to their country?

Imran set the rules himself and now it has backfired. If he didn’t spend years talking about how dual passport holders should not have important posts in the country, people wouldn’t be forcing the likes of Tania and Dr. Zafar to resign.

 

[Mamoon]

This is why Pakistanis will always remain high on happiness index.

It remains high on that index because we are a deluded nation. It is not high because we do not believe in some digital drama that will not do anything in the long run.

 

[Itachi]

Why does she have to make that choice in the first place? Why can’t she retain her Singaporean PR and work for her country?

Is it that people who don’t avail or get (for most part) foreign opportunities more loyal to their country?

When you are in a system, with no stake in place, you are more likely to be less involved (when things get complicated) and given the opportunity, you will be the first one to leave when things go south. That's what she already exhibited.

If she really wanted to make a change for Pakistan, she could have set an example. Did she? No.

She exited through the easy route.

And this is the exact issue that is being addressed.

If you are talking about just a job to earn money, your reasoning is justified.

But if you are talking about naya Pakistan, with patriotism flying high, then such kind of exit is a big let down and the very reason why its frowned upon for dual citizenship.

 

[CricketCartoons]

Honestly i feel hopeless, when someone like Tania, who left her amazing job in Google actually came to work for the betterment of Pakistan just because of her Pakistani roots.

This year I was honestly thinking the same thing. I want to come to Pakistan and leave my lucrative energy job in Canada so I can contribute towards Energy in Pakistan for the betterment of Pakistan, even though I do have dual citizenship. I want Pakistan to prosper and when I see this treatment towards Pakistan, what would people like me think when they really want to contribute towards Pakistan.

This is extremely disappointing and has actually broken my heart and dreams of doing something for Pakistan.

my lucrative job, contribute , betterment of Pakistan, broke heart and dreams.... such grand and lofty phrases which are wasted upon the paindu populace. Perhaps Pakistan is not worthy of your generosity as Tania found and decided she cannot contribute for the betterment of Pakistan despite her lucrative job and first world resident permit if the ungrateful country cannot guarantee red carpet and velvet rope treatment and asks questions instead of being grateful for her sacrifice. You, my friend, are better served continuing working where they value you.

 

[JaDed]

I don't understand this thought process. If you really want to do something for the country, then nothing should hinder your efforts. If conflict of interest arise due to dual citizenship, it will be a negligible sacirifce comapred to the interest of the nation.

Don't ask what the nation has given to you,

You should ask what you have given to the nation.

Then why you need a safety blanket? Is personal interest coming before the interest of the nation?

Not necessarily, one should analyze whether they contribute more to their country by being abroad.

 

[JaDed]

It remains high on that index because we are a deluded nation. It is not high because we do not believe in some digital drama that will not do anything in the long run.

Exactly my point the way you just dismissed Digital Pakistan approach is delusional.

 

[BreadPakoda]

When you are in a system, with no stake in place, you are more likely to be less involved (when things get complicated) and given the opportunity, you will be the first one to leave when things go south. That's what she already exhibited.

If she really wanted to make a change for Pakistan, she could have set an example. Did she? No.

She exited through the easy route.

And this is the exact issue that is being addressed.

If you are talking about just a job to earn money, your reasoning is justified.

But if you are talking about naya Pakistan, with patriotism flying high, then such kind of exit is a big let down and the very reason why its frowned upon for dual citizenship.

Agree that she would have a higher exit barrier if she did not have a Singaporean PR and probably would stick to the job longer and through thick and thin.

But maybe she is still qualified for the job and better than the one who doesn’t have a dual citizenship/PR etc. Surely for such a bright candidate, exceptions can be made?

Let me take a different and a more extreme example. Weren’t Garry Kirsten and John Wright better coaches than Madan Lal and Kapil Dev? Who would you hire?

 

[BreadPakoda]

Imran set the rules himself and now it has backfired. If he didn’t spend years talking about how dual passport holders should not have important posts in the country, people wouldn’t be forcing the likes of Tania and Dr. Zafar to resign.

I understand the IK angle. He’s a master of jumla and has a cringe worthy defend brigade. You see a few pop up whenever he is mentioned here.

My question is on a bit more fundamental level and unrelated to what he said.

 

[Mamoon]

The two stalwarts who resigned today had the choice of continuing to work for Naya Pakistan and give up foreign citizenship or to pack their bags and quit.

They chose to quit. We had a lot of thundering and self-praise of how they give up their lucrative jobs to help Imran Khan realize the Naya Pakistan dream, but when their loyalties were tested, they proved that they were loyal to their foreign passports and not to Naya Pakistan.

Do you blame them? Well no, because this Naya Pakistan drama will not last forever, but giving up foreign passports will impact their children and their future generations, so they weighed up their choice and decided what was best for their families.

And this is precisely why we will not accept dual passport holders to hold important positions in the government because they will run away when things go south.

Government jobs should be for real Pakistanis only, and by real I mean the folks who only have the Pakistani passport.

 

[Mamoon]

Exactly my point the way you just dismissed Digital Pakistan approach is delusional.

We have bigger problems that digitalization will not resolve. These are the ventures of countries with full stomachs. The only thing these ventures result in is social media praise.

Pakistan’s biggest challenge is controlling population growth and digitalization will not solve that problem. It is a socio-cultural issue.

 

[Itachi]

Not necessarily, one should analyze whether they contribute more to their country by being abroad.

Money isn't the greatest contribution that a citizen can make.

Giving foods to poor doesn't give a solution. You are just giving a band-aid while the man is bleeding hard.

Engage yourself in the system to give them some type of establishment (even if it is a tiny step). That's a solution to move forward.

 

[MenInG]

The two stalwarts who resigned today had the choice of continuing to work for Naya Pakistan and give up foreign citizenship or to pack their bags and quit.

They chose to quit. We had a lot of thundering and self-praise of how they give up their lucrative jobs to help Imran Khan realize the Naya Pakistan dream, but when their loyalties were tested, they proved that they were loyal to their foreign passports and not to Naya Pakistan.

Do you blame them? Well no, because this Naya Pakistan drama will not last forever, but giving up foreign passports will impact their children and their future generations, so they weighed up their choice and decided what was best for their families.

And this is precisely why we will not accept dual passport holders to hold important positions in the government because they will run away when things go south.

Government jobs should be for real Pakistanis only, and by real I mean the folks who only have the Pakistani passport.

And not the corrupt ones.

 

[Abdullah719]

The two stalwarts who resigned today had the choice of continuing to work for Naya Pakistan and give up foreign citizenship or to pack their bags and quit.

They chose to quit. We had a lot of thundering and self-praise of how they give up their lucrative jobs to help Imran Khan realize the Naya Pakistan dream, but when their loyalties were tested, they proved that they were loyal to their foreign passports and not to Naya Pakistan.

Do you blame them? Well no, because this Naya Pakistan drama will not last forever, but giving up foreign passports will impact their children and their future generations, so they weighed up their choice and decided what was best for their families.

And this is precisely why we will not accept dual passport holders to hold important positions in the government because they will run away when things go south.

Government jobs should be for real Pakistanis only, and by real I mean the folks who only have the Pakistani passport.

What foreign citizenship does Zafar Mirza have?

Why are Zulfi Bukhari, Nadeem Babar, and Shehzad Qasim still there as SAPMs if the demand is to give up foreign citizenship?

 

[Deewana Mastana]

One by one IK's appointees are resigning.

Oh well, it's the same old Pakistan after all.

Corrupts rule and the rest roost.

 

[Bewal Express]

And not the corrupt ones.

For Uncle Tom, being corrupt is the most important quality. Maybe you can name a single politician he has supported that isn't corrupt.

 

[Abdullah719]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="ur" dir="rtl">وزیراعظم کے معاون خصوصی معید یوسف نے اردو نیوز کے نامہ نگار وسیم عباسی کو دیے گئے انٹرویو میں دو معاونین خصوصی کے استعفوں کو افسوسناک قرار دیا اور کہا یہ میڈیا ٹرائل کا نتیجہ ہے۔ مزید تفصیل دیکھیے اس ڈیجیٹل رپورٹ میں<a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/SAPMs?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#SAPMs</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/TaniaAidrus?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#TaniaAidrus</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/DrZafarMirza?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#DrZafarMirza</a> <a href="https://t.co/QHQ4rXPn39">pic.twitter.com/QHQ4rXPn39</a></p>— Urdu News (@UrduNewsCom) <a href="https://twitter.com/UrduNewsCom/status/1288505260441513992?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">July 29, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Word.

 

[MenInG]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">So many people have asked about my nationality: I have lived and worked abroad for many years but never got any other nationality/green card etc. In fact when my eldest son was born, I was working at MIT, but we traveled to Pakistan so that he is born in his own country.</p>— Umar Saif (@umarsaif) <a href="https://twitter.com/umarsaif/status/1288800402637557761?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">July 30, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>