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Taslim Arif - Why did he play only 6 Test matches?

it seems to me injured? scoring more then 100 in first match and having avg of above 60! thats great
 
Incorrect, lipton.

It had nothing to do with politics.

Wasim Bari was the better pure keeper. In fact, he is regarded as Pakistan's best wicket keeper. Taslim Arif was never going to get a job over Bari and rightly so.

Taslim could bat, but why invest time in him when you have a top class keeper in Bari?

This was the thought process. Plus, his last match he only scored 0 and 12.
 
lipton said:
Politics buddy, back in days was Mihajir vs Punjab, anyone remember 281* Javed Mindad :imran
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Wasn't Wasim Bari his main 'rival' as a wicket-keeper ? Himself being from ... Karachi and more importantly Imran Khan's 'close' friend ?
 
By the time, Wasim Bari retired in 1984, Taslim Arif was 30 years of age and had lost his form in domestic cricket.

Thus, he never got into the side.

Just a case of bad timing, I suppose.
 
kingusama92 said:
Incorrect, lipton.

It had nothing to do with politics.

Wasim Bari was the better pure keeper. In fact, he is regarded as Pakistan's best wicket keeper. Taslim Arif was never going to get a job over Bari and rightly so.

Taslim could bat, but why invest time in him when you have a top class keeper in Bari?

This was the thought process. Plus, his last match he only scored 0 and 12.
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but with his performances he could have easily played as a pure batsman. BAd performance in one match should not be an excuse to sack him. I smell fish
 
He died of a lung infection, that's a shame.

It does mention Wasim Bari being a better keeper and the team preferring him over Arif. We had a strong batting line up back then, I would think, so a keeper-batsmen might not have been needed.

His FC record isn't very impressive either, but still.
 
lipton said:
Politics buddy, back in days was Mihajir vs Punjab, anyone remember 281* Javed Mindad :imran
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Stop being so ignorant and bring your ethnic card in this issue. Not only Waseem Bari, but Imran Khan brought Saleem Yousuf and Moin khan from Karachi as a wicket keepers over some of the other Punjab wicket keepers of their time.

Tasleem Arif despite being the better batsman, still was below average wicket keeper. His main reason for not getting too many chances was not due to his poor wicket keeping but his addiction with " charas", he was found to be under the influence all the time.
 
zaid65 said:
Stop being so ignorant and bring your ethnic card in this issue. Not only Waseem Bari, but Imran Khan brought Saleem Yousuf and Moin khan from Karachi as a wicket keepers over some of the other Punjab wicket keepers of their time.

Tasleem Arif despite being the better batsman, still was below average wicket keeper. His main reason for not getting too many chances was not due to his poor wicket keeping but his addiction with " charas", he was found to be under the influence all the time.
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wow , A charsi making 210 , best charsi ever(marhoom)
 
JibranAnsari said:
but with his performances he could have easily played as a pure batsman. BAd performance in one match should not be an excuse to sack him. I smell fish
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Taslim didn't do well in the first two tests of that 1980 series against WI. His highest score was 32 out of 4 innings.

Sadiq Mohammed was finishing his career at that time (that series was his last).

Thus, Javed opted for the experience of Sadiq against the Windies.

Plus, there was the superstar prospect in Shafiq Ahmed (averaged almost 50 in domestic). Sadly, his career didn't pan out as expected, but he was the top opening prospect for us at the time.

In hindsight, using Taslim Arif was probably the best case scenario. Both Shafiq Ahmed and Sadiq Mohammed did poorly in the remaining two tests of that series.

Still, I am just putting some perspective into the thinking of Imran Khan and the selectors. They didn't have hindsight as we do now! :))
 
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One from the long list of players from Karachi, who were shafted by PCB, just because of their domicile...

I brought up the case of Barkatullah Khan in another thread, the man took 263 wickets at 24 in first class cricket (numbers on par with the two Ws and much better then many a fast bowlers not from Karachi who got to play international cricket), but didn't even get a side match for Pakistan...

So Taslim Arif at least got to play for Pakistan...
 
zaid65 said:
Stop being so ignorant and bring your ethnic card in this issue. Not only Waseem Bari, but Imran Khan brought Saleem Yousuf and Moin khan from Karachi as a wicket keepers over some of the other Punjab wicket keepers of their time.

Tasleem Arif despite being the better batsman, still was below average wicket keeper. His main reason for not getting too many chances was not due to his poor wicket keeping but his addiction with " charas", he was found to be under the influence all the time.
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Forget wicket keeping,his batting alone would have made him on par with the best Pakistani batsmen of that time...

Also, as for Charas, almost all of your players of the past were drunkards and charsi as well...remember the '93 tour of windies???...
 
Saad Hasan said:
One from the long list of players from Karachi, who were shafted by PCB, just because of their domicile...

I brought up the case of Barkatullah Khan in another thread, the man took 263 wickets at 24 in first class cricket (numbers on par with the two Ws and much better then many a fast bowlers not from Karachi who got to play international cricket), but didn't even get a side match for Pakistan...

So Taslim Arif at least got to play for Pakistan...
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what do u make of zulfikar babar? he is not from karachi.
 
kingusama92 said:
Taslim didn't do well in the first two tests of that 1980 series against WI. His highest score was 32 out of 4 innings.

Sadiq Mohammed was finishing his career at that time (that series was his last).

Thus, Imran opted for the experience of Sadiq against the Windies.

Plus, there was the superstar prospect in Shafiq Ahmed (averaged almost 50 in domestic). Sadly, his career didn't pan out as expected, but he was the top opening prospect for us at the time.

In hindsight, using Taslim Arif was probably the best case scenario. Both Shafiq Ahmed and Sadiq Mohammed did poorly in the remaining two tests of that series.

Still, I am just putting some perspective into the thinking of Imran Khan and the selectors. They didn't have hindsight as we do now! :))
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The most elaborate piece of speculation I've ever come across...the original people involved most likely had more simplistic intentions...
 
Saad Hasan said:
The most elaborate piece of speculation I've ever come across...the original people involved most likely had more simplistic intentions...
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Sure, mine is speculation but your opinion is fact? :)))
 
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Sadiq Mohammad played for Karachi in domestic cricket and lived there. He was born in India, but moved to Karachi.

Plus, Wasim Bari was from Karachi.

Shafiq Ahmed was from Lahore, but his first class average was miles better than Taslim Arif.

Taslim had a great average of 63, but he had failed in the first two tests of that series. The skipper had to shake things up.
 
I think he could have played a few more games as a specialist batsman. It would have been better. There are many who progressed from being a keeper to a specialist batsman in the side.
 
There wasn't the fixation in those days that the keeper must be ble to score runs. Teams tended to pick their best keeper eg Wasim Bari and Bob Taylor of England weren't particularly useful with the bat but their glovework was the main factor in their selection.
 
zaid65 said:
Stop being so ignorant and bring your ethnic card in this issue. Not only Waseem Bari, but Imran Khan brought Saleem Yousuf and Moin khan from Karachi as a wicket keepers over some of the other Punjab wicket keepers of their time.

Tasleem Arif despite being the better batsman, still was below average wicket keeper. His main reason for not getting too many chances was not due to his poor wicket keeping but his addiction with " charas", he was found to be under the influence all the time.
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yes that is the actual reason for his exit
 
Taslim Arif

Anyone know his story?


Was a Wicket-Keeper opening batsman for Pakistan in 1980.


He only played 6 matches, averaging 62.62!!

This included a double century vs Australia.



Anyone know why he only played 6 matches? Sure, Bari may have been a better keeper, but surely a guy with that batting ability should be in the team....on his batting ability alone?
 
Was a king on the local tracks, never really got a chance outside, didnt fit in with Imran's scheme of things. decent player though, was not a natural keeper.
 
Interesting but I think he was not good enough on foreign pitches and also Imran had obsession with Wasim Bari.
 
I recall being impressed by his energy behind the stumps !

Died March 13, 2008, Karachi, Sind (aged 53 years 317 days)

Today would have been his birthday.
 
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Blitz said:
Anyone know his story?


Was a Wicket-Keeper opening batsman for Pakistan in 1980.


He only played 6 matches, averaging 62.62!!

This included a double century vs Australia.



Anyone know why he only played 6 matches? Sure, Bari may have been a better keeper, but surely a guy with that batting ability should be in the team....on his batting ability alone?
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Pakistan was terrified of Australia's pace attack and prepared the flattest, deadest wickets in history, to the disgust of Imran Khan. It's why Dennis Lillee's subcontinental record is so mediocre.

But it was absolutely meaningless, a little like Shoaib Malik's Test double century two matches before his retirement.
 
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