Test World XI post Steven Smith and David Warner's suspensions

[hk031992]

1. Dean Elgar
2. Aiden Markram
3. Kane Williamson
4. Virat Kohli
5. AB De Villiers
6. Johnny Barristow
7. Vernon Philander
8. Patrick Cummins
9. Kagiso Rabada
10. Yasir Shah
11. Trent Boult

Wanted to pick Hazlewood and would have picked him a while ago but he doesn't seem to be very effective at the moment though he hasn't bowled badly.

Markram is the new man in for me. Kohli replaces Smith, at least until Smith comes back.

Its amazing how many saffers make the team even though SA is not the side they were a few years ago.

 

[hk031992]

Root needs to start converting. I can see him replacing either Williamson or Kohli if he does.

De Kock is another one who has disappointed this year. I still think he can be the next Adam Gilchrist. He needs to live up to that.

The main positives for world cricket recently have been Markram and Cummins. I hope these two end up having great careers.

 

[Hiraeth]

Yasir Shah

 

[Slog]

Warner was never in the World XI

 

[jnaveen1980]

Even if you hate Indian spinners you would still go with Lyon.

World no.3 Jadeja
World no.4 Ashwin
World no.9 Herath
World no.11 Lyon

All are comfortably ahead of Yasir who is 13th.

 

[hk031992]

Even if you hate Indian spinners you would still go with Lyon.

World no.3 Jadeja
World no.4 Ashwin
World no.9 Herath
World no.11 Lyon

All are comfortably ahead of Yasir who is 13th.

I don't hate Indian spinners. I like having a leggie in the team and Yasir is the best one in the world

The rankings are flawed because Pakistan play far less cricket. How in the world is Lyon a better bowler than Yasir? If you want Ashwin in the team instead, i have no problem with that.

However, Lyon is not making a world 11.

 

[Hiraeth]

I don't hate Indian spinners. I like having a leggie in the team and Yasir is the best one in the world

The rankings are flawed because Pakistan play far less cricket. How in the world is Lyon a better bowler than Yasir? If you want Ashwin in the team instead, i have no problem with that.

However, Lyon is not making a world 11.

Lyon has been in supreme form in the last year or so.

 

[Ab Fan]

Philander out, Stokes in.
Yasir out, Ashwin/Lyon in. Ashwin adds slightly with his batting.

Openers tough call, one of them can be replaced. But then whosoever I try(Azhar, Rahul or anyone else), Elgar and Markram will make better pair than anyone because one will grind out the bowlers while other is more dynamic and they are left-right combination too.

 

[Ab Fan]

Warner was never in the World XI

LOL, he was the best opener in the world going around. An out-and-out match winner. Nobody was even comparable.

Who do you think would have made it ahead of Warner- Old Cook, Vijay, Rahul, Azhar or anyone else?

 

[Slog]

LOL, he was the best opener in the world going around. An out-and-out match winner. Nobody was even comparable.

Who do you think would have made it ahead of Warner- Old Cook, Vijay, Rahul, Azhar or anyone else?

Actually now that I think of it Warner does make the list because overall this is a poor era for openers....

It's just that he certainly doesn't pop up in mind when you think of great openers who have played the game... But in current context he is up there

 

[WildSwing]

I don't hate Indian spinners. I like having a leggie in the team and Yasir is the best one in the world

lol if you are picking players based on your likes then it's not a world XI, it's your personal XI. Yasir won't make the world XI side ahead of ashwin or jadeja, both of whom contribute with the bat as well, in addition to being superior bowlers to yasir.

 

[hk031992]

lol if you are picking players based on your likes then it's not a world XI, it's your personal XI. Yasir won't make the world XI side ahead of ashwin or jadeja, both of whom contribute with the bat as well, in addition to being superior bowlers to yasir.

you are living in fantasy land. Superior bowlers to Yasir? Give me a break. Lets see either of them take a 10 wicket haul in England. Then we can come back with the superior rubbish.

Ashwin and Jadeja bowl on overly spin friendly wickets. Jadeja in particular is not in the same universe as Yasir when it comes to bowling alone.

I don't give a damn about their batting. Why? Because Jadeja is not good enough as a bowler and while Ashwin is, his batting isn't worth very much vs top bowling attacks.

So yes, it is a world 11. And Yasir makes it comfortably. To even put Jadeja in the same sentence as Yasir as a bowler is an insult to Yasir.

 

[backfootpunch]

Jadeja instead of Yasir.

This might suprise some but Azhar Ali instead of Elgar. Former averages 55 as an opener due to some brilliant big hundreds and innings in Aus whereas the latter averages 44.

 

[Rayyman]

Markram
Good XI, but open with Elgar and Azhar.

 

[Hiraeth]

you are living in fantasy land. Superior bowlers to Yasir? Give me a break. Lets see either of them take a 10 wicket haul in England. Then we can come back with the superior rubbish.

Ashwin and Jadeja bowl on overly spin friendly wickets. Jadeja in particular is not in the same universe as Yasir when it comes to bowling alone.

I don't give a damn about their batting. Why? Because Jadeja is not good enough as a bowler and while Ashwin is, his batting isn't worth very much vs top bowling attacks.

So yes, it is a world 11. And Yasir makes it comfortably. To even put Jadeja in the same sentence as Yasir as a bowler is an insult to Yasir.

Apart from a 10 fer and 5 fer in England Yasir hasn’t done anything of note outside Asia. Heck, Azhar Ali looked more threatening than him in Australia.

 

[Ab Fan]

Markram
Good XI, but open with Elgar and Azhar.

Not a good opening pair.

Two tuk-tuks. They won't give others chance to bat and yet will score 150/0 after 5 days of play.

 

[Slog]

Apart from a 10 fer and 5 fer in England Yasir hasn’t done anything of note outside Asia. Heck, Azhar Ali looked more threatening than him in Australia.

He's done well in WI which is pretty much the only non Asian tour Ashwin has done well in

 

[Hiraeth]

He's done well in WI which is pretty much the only non Asian tour Ashwin has done well in

Their spin playing credentials aren’t exactly the best.

 

[Hiraeth]

Yasir has an average of 55 and a SR of 90 in Europe and Oceania.

People talk about his England series but he averaged 40 on that tour. He did however win us a game and that’s something Ashwin or Jadeja have yet to do outside of Asia.

 

[Slog]

Their spin playing credentials aren’t exactly the best.

that isn't the point. Follow the context of the posts.

The only non Asian overseas performance of note Ashwin has had was in West Indies and Yasir has done well there as wel.

On the other hand Yasir has won Pakistan two matches in England whereas let alone win India a match Ashwin was dropped midway through his last England tour due to his noneffectiveness.

 

[Hiraeth]

that isn't the point. Follow the context of the posts.

The only non Asian overseas performance of note Ashwin has had was in West Indies and Yasir has done well there as wel.

On the other hand Yasir has won Pakistan two matches in England whereas let alone win India a match Ashwin was dropped midway through his last England tour due to his noneffectiveness.

And I’m not arguing that Ashwin or Jadeja are better than him. I’m making a case for Lyon who has been outstanding in all conditions in the last twelve months.

 

[Slog]

Yasir has an average of 55 and a SR of 90 in Europe and Oceania.

So he was terrible in Australia?

Ashwin has had two tours to Australia. Overall he was also very poor. Terrible in first tour. Decent but noneffective in second tour.

So both Yasir and Ashwin won their sides zero tests in Australia.

Both Ashwin and Yasir win their sides test matches in Asia

Both Yasir and Ashwin have done well in the Carribean

However only one us won his side test matches in England

 

[Slog]

And I’m not arguing that Ashwin or Jadeja are better than him. I’m making a case for Lyon who has been outstanding in all conditions in the last twelve months.

Hmm ok

My post was in relation to WildSwing's wild claims

 

[Buffet]

The rankings are flawed because Pakistan play far less cricket.

Rankings have flaw, but not the one you are pointing here. Rankings are normalized for number of games.

 

[WildSwing]

you are living in fantasy land. Superior bowlers to Yasir? Give me a break. Lets see either of them take a 10 wicket haul in England. Then we can come back with the superior rubbish.

Ashwin and Jadeja bowl on overly spin friendly wickets. Jadeja in particular is not in the same universe as Yasir when it comes to bowling alone.

I don't give a damn about their batting. Why? Because Jadeja is not good enough as a bowler and while Ashwin is, his batting isn't worth very much vs top bowling attacks.

So yes, it is a world 11. And Yasir makes it comfortably. To even put Jadeja in the same sentence as Yasir as a bowler is an insult to Yasir.

So you don't care about rankings, you don't care about averages, you nitpick 1-2 performances of yasir and give them arbitrary weightage to state that yasir is better than ashwin and jadeja (while ignoring all the bad performances of yasir which were so bad that they could count as match losing performances).

You ignore every other parameter except a couple of performances and then you say I am the one living in fantasy land? Lol good one )

 

[Bhaijaan]

Warner was never in the World XI

His test record is quite amazing. Warner is very underrated and somehow doesn't feature in top batsmen in the world discussions but across all formats he is right up there. Teams would kill to have such an asset in their line-up.

 

[Joseph Gomes]

If based on current form, replace Cummins with Amderson.

 

[soso_killer]

Shah over Maharaj?
It's hard to think of a better spinner atm.
78 wickets at 28 outside the subcontinent when he has played on some green tracks.

1. Dean Elgar
2. Aiden Markram
3. Joe Root
4. Virat Kohli
5. AB De Villiers
6. Kane Williamson
7. Johnny Barristow +
8. Vernon Philander
9. Patrick Cummins
10. Kagiso Rabada
11. Keishav Maharaj

 

[WildSwing]

Shah over Maharaj?
It's hard to think of a better spinner atm.
78 wickets at 28 outside the subcontinent when he has played on some green tracks.

1. Dean Elgar
2. Aiden Markram
3. Joe Root
4. Virat Kohli
5. AB De Villiers
6. Kane Williamson
7. Johnny Barristow +
8. Vernon Philander
9. Patrick Cummins
10. Kagiso Rabada
11. Keishav Maharaj

Lol just one player from the no. 1 test team in the world

Also maharaj bashed around like a nobody by the Indian batters, it is hilarious to see maharaj in a world XI

 

[Last Monetarist]

1. Elgar
2. Markram
3. Williamson
4. Kohli
5. De Villiers
6. Stokes
7. Bairstow
8. Ashwin
9. Rabada
10. Hazlewood
11. Anderson

 

[The_Odd_One]

1. Azhar
2. Elgar
3. Williamson
4. Kohli
5. Devilliers
6. Bairstow
7. Stokes/Shakib (depending on the venue)
8. Cummins
9. Lyon
10. Rabada
11. Boult

I would have picked Ashwin but his batting is hardly needed in a world XI. Moreover, he's in terrible shape.

 

[IndianFan2018]

World XI = No. 1 Test Team in the World (OP creteria of choosing personal biased team if we apply)!

1. Vijay
2. Rahul/Dhawan
3. Pujara
4. Kohli
5. Rahane
6. Pandya
7. Saha
8. Ashwin/Jadeja
9. Bhuvi
10. Shami
11. Bumrah

 

[soso_killer]

Lol just one player from the no. 1 test team in the world

Also maharaj bashed around like a nobody by the Indian batters, it is hilarious to see maharaj in a world XI

Let's see if they end the year there. India have not played away for the last three years. Their first outing away wasn't impressive. Let's see how they fare in England and Australia.

Maharaj has 80 wickets at 28 outside Asia over the last two years. Who has bowled better than him?

 

[soso_killer]

Since 1 Jan 2016 not a single spinner has 10 wickets below 30 in SENA countries bar Maharaj. 74 at 28. Lyon has 67 at 37. Shah has 27 at 55.

http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/en...6;spanval1=span;template=results;type=bowling

This should put into perspective why I rate Maharaj so much.

 

[WildSwing]

Let's see if they end the year there. India have not played away for the last three years. Their first outing away wasn't impressive. Let's see how they fare in England and Australia.

Maharaj has 80 wickets at 28 outside Asia over the last two years. Who has bowled better than him?

If you didn't find India's performance in south africa without any practice matches as impressive then don't think India will ever impress you. As for maharaj, let him first perform against players who can actually play spin, his 80 wickets outside asia against noobs against spin count for little since he's playing with a very strong pace attack

 

[AFM]

Fakhar Greenidge
Babar Kohli
Hussain Singh
Sarfraz Dohni
Asif Hussey
Shoaib Symonds
Faheem Klusner
Shadab Warne
Hassan Younis
Amir Akram
Shaheen Starc

 

[soso_killer]

If you didn't find India's performance in south africa without any practice matches as impressive then don't think India will ever impress you. As for maharaj, let him first perform against players who can actually play spin, his 80 wickets outside asia against noobs against spin count for little since he's playing with a very strong pace attack

(I stated India have not played much away over the last three years, I can't pick a world XI on unknown quantity. By the end of the English tour we will have a better gauge as to who belongs where. Makram is touring Lanka, he's not permanent himself. But he has been so impressive in Testing conditions against quality bowlers. How he handles spin will decide if he deserves to be there)

That's why the likes of Lyon, Shah, Ashwin, Jadela, Ali average 40+ against these "noobs"?
Mind you South Africa have been pathetic since he made his debut, only once did they score above 400 runs until the last Test. He has had nothing to bowl at.

78 wickets after 20 matches at 28 in SENA countries is worth nothing? He played on some of the greenest pitches I've seen in England and did reasonably well there. That's not impressive? Let's see how the rest of the world spinners do. And who would you choose as your spinner in these nations?