Thankfully we don't have to play India in Test cricket

[mominsaigol]

This is next level filtering. I understand someone Indian fans acting arrogant might have angered you but that's a bit Mamoon-esque

Mamoon acts like Indian team is a minnow and an average team.

I don't. I acknowledge that their a world class team and the best team in the world.

But any Indian who gloats and acts like their unbeatable or denies reality or makes fake narratives needs to be exposed to the truth.

India post Dhoni era is an extremly mentally weak side after sa in finals, Similarly the gap between them and other top teams is not as high as @Devadwal believes it to be.

Indian posters have not angered me at all. Only one or 2 did but it's water under the bridge and devadwal isn't one of them.

He's a fantastic poster and I love chatting with him on topics.

But his takes about Pak cricket and things not being replaceable, his views in Indian cricket are views that I disagree with plain and simple.

India is a poor Final Playing tournament side post Dhoni era. If they can beat a side not names south africa in a final, I'll happily retract my statement. A ct is coming up, Followed by 2026 t20 wc, followed by 2027 wc.

India can happily prove me wrong.

 

[mominsaigol]

Bro i have started to following him when he joined the PP .

I know he is Pakistan fans but change after india gave them Epic phainti in Asia cup

Chose australia to support as they have better number against us to undermine indian performance. This is becomes the Trend here.

Anyways anyone can support any teams so I don't have problem with that .

I never supported pakistan since the day I arrived lol. If you're referring to that rizwan best batter thread I made, I was extremely extremely sarcastic in my OP.

If you started following me since I arrived, you'd know that my first conversations use to be about New Zealand cricket because I wanted them to progress and hence my banter with Glory of 92 at the time.

However I quickly went back to Australia cause I knew full well midway through the tournament that hoping NZ gets to another final when both India and Australia are in semi's is impossible. They got a fat chance in hell to qualify with these 2 at the helm.

If you were following me, you'd know this.

 

[Devadwal]

Mamoon acts like Indian team is a minnow and an average team.

I don't. I acknowledge that their a world class team and the best team in the world.

But any Indian who gloats and acts like their unbeatable or denies reality or makes fake narratives needs to be exposed to the truth.

India post Dhoni era is an extremly mentally weak side after sa in finals, Similarly the gap between them and other top teams is not as high as @Devadwal believes it to be.

Indian posters have not angered me at all. Only one or 2 did but it's water under the bridge and devadwal isn't one of them.

He's a fantastic poster and I love chatting with him on topics.

But his takes about Pak cricket and things not being replaceable, his views in Indian cricket are views that I disagree with plain and simple.

India is a poor Final Playing tournament side post Dhoni era. If they can beat a side not names south africa in a final, I'll happily retract my statement. A ct is coming up, Followed by 2026 t20 wc, followed by 2027 wc.

India can happily prove me wrong.

I never said that gap is huge between india and australia. They are most closely teams in world cricket.

There is huge gap between Pakistan cricket and Indian cricket.

 

[mominsaigol]

I never said that gap is huge between india and australia. They are most closely teams in world cricket.

There is huge gap between Pakistan cricket and Indian cricket.

Why do you keep bringing in pakistan.

I just find it funny that they lost by 180 runs lol to a team that's honestly a toothpick even then.

I talk about improvements for pak cricket only. I want pak cricket to improve because they are the only team in the world that are handicapping themselves due to political interference while every other team is playing the best 11 possible with the exception of maybe India that's arguably carrying a rohit and kohli bias but those 2 are ATG's, It's different from showcasing same said bias on Shan masood lol.

However even if all these improvements cone into place, they still won't beat India in the same way Bamgaldesh didn't best India.

My knowledge towards pak cricket and the stubborn nature of pak fans or misbah fans in particular is something I deal with internally.

India is a team I deal with externally, I don't talk about their internal features, but I do hate when people act like India is next level for winning 2024 t20 when in reality they struggled tooth and nail in many of their matches.

I don't believe that the team is just gonna walk in, Win all cups from here on out and issue a classic Australia era. It ain't happening lol.

 

[RyanRyan10]

Bro i have started to following him when he joined the PP .

I know he is Pakistan fans but change after india gave them Epic phainti in Asia cup

Chose australia to support as they have better number against us to undermine indian performance. This is becomes the Trend here.

Anyways anyone can support any teams so I don't have problem with that .

If he stopped supporting Pakistan due to a drubbing. Then it only shows the fickle nature of the Pakistan fanbase. And honestly, We should not mind his choice to support any team he wishes, as he is not an India basher.

 

[RyanRyan10]

Mamoon acts like Indian team is a minnow and an average team.

I don't. I acknowledge that their a world class team and the best team in the world.

But any Indian who gloats and acts like their unbeatable or denies reality or makes fake narratives needs to be exposed to the truth.

India post Dhoni era is an extremly mentally weak side after sa in finals, Similarly the gap between them and other top teams is not as high as @Devadwal believes it to be.

Indian posters have not angered me at all. Only one or 2 did but it's water under the bridge and devadwal isn't one of them.

He's a fantastic poster and I love chatting with him on topics.

But his takes about Pak cricket and things not being replaceable, his views in Indian cricket are views that I disagree with plain and simple.

India is a poor Final Playing tournament side post Dhoni era. If they can beat a side not names south africa in a final, I'll happily retract my statement. A ct is coming up, Followed by 2026 t20 wc, followed by 2027 wc.

India can happily prove me wrong.

I was pointing out that Mamoon utilizes extreme levels of filters. Regarding Dewadwal, I agree he is incorrect to declare that Pakistan is shouldn't make changes to improve. It is reasonable to expect them to keep attempting different things, even if they may currently lack certain players. But Dewadwal's claims about the Indian team do not align with the arguments being presented by you.

 

[mominsaigol]

I was pointing out that Mamoon utilizes extreme levels of filters. Regarding Dewadwal, I agree he is incorrect to declare that Pakistan is shouldn't make changes to improve. It is reasonable to expect them to keep attempting different things, even if they may currently lack certain players. But Dewadwal's claims about the Indian team do not align with the arguments being presented by you.

But what filter am I using?

India is a world class team, however their biggest issue is that that world class prowess fades away in a final and has faded since the Dhoni era.

They've genuinely gotten spanked in finals and are mentally weak only surpassing sa in terms of that.

Just like SA should not be getting spanked beaten black and blue without even putting up a fight by any Tom dick and Harry in knockouts, India shpuld not be losing by 180 rums or getting knocked up by Australia that easily.

I don't see what filter I've used? Their the best team in the world? Their mentally strong no doubt? But this is their weakness and they are 100% the 2nd worst team post Dhoni era to ever play a final.

The other sides like Bangladesh, Afghanistan have never played an icc final and pakistan has only played 1 final in which they were competitive with Ben stokes making run difference. They didn't get beaten black and blue.

Now if you wish to include asia cup into this, then yes the dynamics change a bit.

 

[Mamoon]

Why should Pakistan be thankful?

 

[Devadwal]

Why should Pakistan be thankful?

To be not humiliated by india
When Bangladesh is already smashed Pakistan in pakistan than think what will be india do . Just imagine

 

[Buffet]

Don't agree. Players will prefer to play against the best test team of their era and lose badly than not playing because they are likely to lose badly.

 

[Mockingbird]

Don't agree. Players will prefer to play against the best test team of their era and lose badly than not playing because they are likely to lose badly.

I don’t think so, since the downfall of the ‘no. 1 ranked ODI team’ started when they lost to India by a record margin in the Asia cup. Dont think the Pakistani players can mentally bear that kind of loss.

 

[Buffet]

I don’t think so, since the downfall of the ‘no. 1 ranked ODI team’ started when they lost to India by a record margin in the Asia cup. Dont think the Pakistani players can mentally bear that kind of loss.

Then they should stop playing international cricket. They don't belong at the top level.

 

[RyanRyan10]

Why should Pakistan be thankful?

you are responsible for creating the GOAT Asian team narrative.

 

[RyanRyan10]

But what filter am I using?

India is a world class team, however their biggest issue is that that world class prowess fades away in a final and has faded since the Dhoni era.

They've genuinely gotten spanked in finals and are mentally weak only surpassing sa in terms of that.

Just like SA should not be getting spanked beaten black and blue without even putting up a fight by any Tom dick and Harry in knockouts, India shpuld not be losing by 180 rums or getting knocked up by Australia that easily.

I don't see what filter I've used? Their the best team in the world? Their mentally strong no doubt? But this is their weakness and they are 100% the 2nd worst team post Dhoni era to ever play a final.

The other sides like Bangladesh, Afghanistan have never played an icc final and pakistan has only played 1 final in which they were competitive with Ben stokes making run difference. They didn't get beaten black and blue.

Now if you wish to include asia cup into this, then yes the dynamics change a bit.

You will rarely see me engaging in arguments about which team or player is superior, so don't worry I won't come up with such points. I am confident in my knowledge of my team's abilities, it's better than most cricket fans.

 

[Mamoon]

To be not humiliated by india
When Bangladesh is already smashed Pakistan in pakistan than think what will be india do . Just imagine

Are we in the business of celebrating and mourning imaginary wins and losses?

Imagination has no limits. Pondering on the things that could or could not have happened are symptoms of an empty mind.

 

[mominsaigol]

You will rarely see me engaging in arguments about which team or player is superior, so don't worry I won't come up with such points. I am confident in my knowledge of my team's abilities, it's better than most cricket fans.

Your knowledge is one thing, making a deduction based of 11 year past evidence is another.

 

[jnaveen1980]

Don't agree. Players will prefer to play against the best test team of their era and lose badly than not playing because they are likely to lose badly.

True. By far the weakest pakistan team i have ever seen. So many ingredients are missing. Also they got sucked into this PR trap of hyping players for marketing reasons and lost the plot. Trouble neighboring nation is producing one mystery spinner after another where as Pakistan is unable to produce even half decent spinner. Also game against spin has regressed. Those who score runs are selfish. They need a real hero that inspires them not the one they have.

 

[uppercut]

Why should Pakistan be thankful?

No bilateral Test cricket with India in the last 10+ years is the best thing that has happened to the dignity of Pakistan cricket.

you don’t realize how big of a blessing it has been. Pakistan getting thrashed home and away every year across formats would have finished off interest in Pakistan cricket.

 

[BouncerGuy]

No bilateral Test cricket with India in the last 10+ years is the best thing that has happened to the dignity of Pakistan cricket.

you don’t realize how big of a blessing it has been. Pakistan getting thrashed home and away every year across formats would have finished off interest in Pakistan cricket.

Where is the dignity of India when they are making khyali pulao that they will beat Pakistan left-right every day etc etc.

Why don't they step into the ground and make it a reality????

If thinking about wins in your dreams is dignity then BCCI can keep that dignity.

 

[jnaveen1980]

And NZ used Philips as a spinner lol and picked up a 5 fer.
I just stated a fact. Pakistan are a rubbish team currently doesn't change the fact that India has custom made pitches for their bowlers hence why Ashwin and jadeja has the same amount of 5fers in SENA as glenn Phillips.

Strawman argument. Darren powell has more fifer in Srilanka than Imran khan. Wonder why.

 

[RyanRyan10]

Your knowledge is one thing, making a deduction based of 11 year past evidence is another.

Where did I make such deduction my bruh?

 

[mominsaigol]

Where did I make such deduction my bruh?

I was referring to myself brother,

I'm making the deduction that India is the 2nd worst team to play a final post Dhoni era after sa.

That deduction is based of Eveidence of past 11 years.

You're free to disagree but this is what the data suggests. India is still a world class team and the best team in the world outside of finals and their more then welcome to prove me wrong for the next 3 years.

 

[RyanRyan10]

Where is the dignity of India when they are making khyali pulao that they will beat Pakistan left-right every day etc etc.

Why don't they step into the ground and make it a reality????

If thinking about wins in your dreams is dignity then BCCI can keep that dignity.

BCCI is scared that Shan Masood will destroy Bumrah's confidence. Chacha Nauman will end Bachcha Yashasvi's career.

 

[BouncerGuy]

BCCI is scared that Shan Masood will destroy Bumrah's confidence. Chacha Nauman will end Bachcha Yashasvi's career.

The only career Shan Masood can destroy is his own.

Pakistan wants to play India, so why not?

It is not us who are afraid, BCCI is the one hesitant or bound by GOI.

 

[Hellion]

The only career Shan Masood can destroy is his own.

Pakistan wants to play India, so why not?

It is not us who are afraid, BCCI is the one hesitant or bound by GOI.

So India doesn't play PAK because India is afraid ?

 

[BouncerGuy]

So India doesn't play PAK because India is afraid ?

I said other things as well. Hesitant ,,,, bound by GOI. Afraid could be the last thing.

 

[Bhaijaan]

Babar and Rizwan are capable of hiting daddy hundreds in Bharat

 

[jnaveen1980]

They can pick a neutral ground and play. After all they play each other in ICC events, Asia cups.

 

[Mamoon]

No bilateral Test cricket with India in the last 10+ years is the best thing that has happened to the dignity of Pakistan cricket.

you don’t realize how big of a blessing it has been. Pakistan getting thrashed home and away every year across formats would have finished off interest in Pakistan cricket.

I don’t stand by what I said previously.

There is no purpose in celebrating or mourning hypothetical wins and defeats.

There are no guarantees in life, only opportunities. If Indian fans have such an itch in their backsides about humiliating Pakistan in Test cricket that they want Pakistani fans to fantasize about it, then go ahead and ask your team to turn fantasy into reality. No one asked India to not play Pakistan.

If the CT 2017 did not take place no Indian fan would have believed that Pakistan would destroy India by 180 runs in the final.

If the 2021 T20 WC did not take place no Indian fan would have believed that Pakistan would destroy India by 10 wickets.

If USA didn’t qualify for the World Cup, no one would have believed that they would defeat Pakistan.

So I am not interested in facilitating the delusions of Indian fans that they would walk over Pakistan in Test cricket or would have walked over at any point in the last 10 years to do. Highly likely yes, but not guaranteed.

Therefore, if you want to talk, do it on the pitch. Beat Pakistan in Test cricket than rub it in our faces as much as you want. However, as long as India is refusing to play for whatever reason

 

[BouncerGuy]

Relax guys. INDIA does not want to play Pakistan and keep dreaming about beating us then let them be.

I hope Indo-Pak game happen more often so we can enjoy the real cricket but ALAS, BCCI is not thinking the same.

 

[Red-Indian]

Relax guys. INDIA does not want to play Pakistan and keep dreaming about beating us then let them be.

I hope Indo-Pak game happen more often so we can enjoy the real cricket but ALAS, BCCI is not thinking the same.

Unfortunately, it seems like this is all both sides are going to get for a few years yet. Dreams of beating each other. Both sides should be relatively okay with this I think.

Pakistan fans get to live on Champions Trophy 2017 and World Cup 2021
India fans get to live on the periodic thrashings we dish out

Personally, I'm fine with this level of engagement in the limited over games. Any more would dull the edge. I just wish we could find a way to play an occasional test series even if it's on neutral grounds.

 

[uppercut]

I don’t stand by what I said previously.

I got that ... since you made that post ( post#3 on this thread) back in March this year ... I suppose you suddenly discovered a treasure trove of facts ( Such as BD mauling Pakistan in Pakistan ) that convinced you to alter your views ehh ?

There are no guarantees in life, only opportunities. If

yeah .... makes sense if you are referring to opportunities like "going to the bullrun in Spain and getting bored in the butt" kinda opportunities for Pakistan ?

 

[uppercut]

India is a poor Final Playing tournament side post Dhoni era. If they can beat a side not names south africa in a final, I'll happily retract my statement. A ct is coming up, Followed by 2026 t20 wc, followed by 2027 wc.

India can happily prove me wrong.

So it was India's fault that South Africa made it to the final of the recent T20 WC ?

 

[mominsaigol]

So it was India's fault that South Africa made it to the final of the recent T20 WC ?

When did I imply that?

 

[Mamoon]

yeah .... makes sense if you are referring to opportunities like "going to the bullrun in Spain and getting bored in the butt" kinda opportunities for Pakistan ?

Speak of butt, that is exactly where your thought process seems to be sourced from. What are you even on about - why should Pakistan waste its time thinking about what or wouldn’t happen if India were to play them in Test cricket?

 

[uppercut]

When did I imply that?

By dismissing the recent T20 win because we only beat SA.

 

[Devadwal]

Relax guys. INDIA does not want to play Pakistan and keep dreaming about beating us then let them be.

I hope Indo-Pak game happen more often so we can enjoy the real cricket but ALAS, BCCI is not thinking the same.

Yes this is not going to happen . so we only can discuss ICC events / Asia Cups where we are playing with each other's

But recent phainta to Pakistan by india in these events ( Asia cup 2023 And WC 23,WT20 24, ) show that india is far far ahead than Pakistan

There is no comparison at all . india is one the best team while pakistan is one the lowest team in world cricket.

 

[Human786]

Would love 2 see a 5 Test series in India .... any surface , grassy , turning or road

 

[jnaveen1980]

Yes this is not going to happen . so we only can discuss ICC events / Asia Cups where we are playing with each other's

But recent phainta to Pakistan by india in these events ( Asia cup 2023 And WC 23,WT20 24, ) show that india is far far ahead than Pakistan

There is no comparison at all . india is one the best team while pakistan is one the lowest team in world cricket.

Both teams are at different ends of spectrum in world cricket at this point. Besides apart from trolling purposes there is not much joy anymore beating Pakistan as the rivalry is only on paper for all intents and purposes. Especially in recent times Pakistan has hit a new low.

 

[Mockingbird]

I don’t stand by what I said previously.

There is no purpose in celebrating or mourning hypothetical wins and defeats.

There are no guarantees in life, only opportunities. If Indian fans have such an itch in their backsides about humiliating Pakistan in Test cricket that they want Pakistani fans to fantasize about it, then go ahead and ask your team to turn fantasy into reality. No one asked India to not play Pakistan.

If the CT 2017 did not take place no Indian fan would have believed that Pakistan would destroy India by 180 runs in the final.

If the 2021 T20 WC did not take place no Indian fan would have believed that Pakistan would destroy India by 10 wickets.

If USA didn’t qualify for the World Cup, no one would have believed that they would defeat Pakistan.

So I am not interested in facilitating the delusions of Indian fans that they would walk over Pakistan in Test cricket or would have walked over at any point in the last 10 years to do. Highly likely yes, but not guaranteed.

Therefore, if you want to talk, do it on the pitch. Beat Pakistan in Test cricket than rub it in our faces as much as you want. However, as long as India is refusing to play for whatever reason

Looks like these days you don’t stand by anything you have said previously.

In any case, this thread was not started by an Indian so we are not the ones saying that we are happy that we don’t play Pakistan for fear of failure. Also equally true that we don’t gain anything by playing with you guys, so that’s that. But I agree that all this hypothetical thought takes us nowhere.

 

[Unleashed]

Where is the dignity of India when they are making khyali pulao that they will beat Pakistan left-right every day etc etc.

Why don't they step into the ground and make it a reality????

If thinking about wins in your dreams is dignity then BCCI can keep that dignity.

There's no khyali pulao. See the last few matches. Easy wins.

The only khyali pulao is being made by the people here who think that a test series will be competitive.

 

[Cricket Warrior]

Where is the dignity of India when they are making khyali pulao that they will beat Pakistan left-right every day etc etc.

Why don't they step into the ground and make it a reality????

If thinking about wins in your dreams is dignity then BCCI can keep that dignity.

nahi bhai.... they have serious security concerns so their gvt wont allow them to visit Pakistan because these chuchay kaakay will be kidnapped here.

 

[BouncerGuy]

There's no khyali pulao. See the last few matches. Easy wins.

The only khyali pulao is being made by the people here who think that a test series will be competitive.

Bro, it is easy to win in dreams and you can win every day. There is no one stopping anyone here to not dreaming about victory.

I just want it to be a reality and until it is not, INDIA is only Winning against PAKISTAN in DREAMSSSSS.,....

 

[Unleashed]

Bro, it is easy to win in dreams and you can win every day. There is no one stopping anyone here to not dreaming about victory.

I just want it to be a reality and until it is not, INDIA is only Winning against PAKISTAN in DREAMSSSSS.,....

I suppose it's good for your health in these depressing times to delude yourself.

 

[BouncerGuy]

I suppose it's good for your health in these depressing times to delude yourself.

I hope your depressing times are over soon.

 

[RyanRyan10]

nahi bhai.... they have serious security concerns so their gvt wont allow them to visit Pakistan because these chuchay kaakay will be kidnapped here.

When Imran Khan is not safe in Pakistan then how can we expect safety for our players?

 

[Cricket Warrior]

When Imran Khan is not safe in Pakistan then how can we expect safety for our players?

When a political figure gets arrested in India do international teams stop visiting citing it as a security concern?

 

[FearlessRoar]

India scripted history by becoming the first team ever to slam 100 sixes in Test cricket in a calendar year

Teams to hit most Test sixes in a year

102* – India (2024)

89 – England (2022)

87 – India (2021)

81 – New Zealand (2014)

71 – New Zealand (2013)

 

[Mamoon]

Cricket is a funny sport where certain teams can deliberately go out of their way to not play certain teams and then get to call themselves the best.

It is like Man City refusing to play Nottingham Forest in the PL and then calls itself PL champions. Absolute nonsense.

Pakistani fans have no reason to recognize India’s success in Test cricket as long as India doesn’t play and beat Pakistan.

 

[uppercut]

Cricket is a funny sport where certain teams can deliberately go out of their way to not play certain teams and then get to call themselves the best.

It is like Man City refusing to play Nottingham Forest in the PL and then calls itself PL champions. Absolute nonsense.

Pakistani fans have no reason to recognize India’s success in Test cricket as long as India doesn’t play and beat Pakistan.

Like how Aus cannot call themselves the best until they regularly play the Mighty Afghan team preferably in a 5 test series in Kabul ? Yup that makes sense.

 

[big_gamer007]

Cricket is a funny sport where certain teams can deliberately go out of their way to not play certain teams and then get to call themselves the best.

It is like Man City refusing to play Nottingham Forest in the PL and then calls itself PL champions. Absolute nonsense.

Pakistani fans have no reason to recognize India’s success in Test cricket as long as India doesn’t play and beat Pakistan.

After yesterdays historic performance by Pakistani spinners, you must have changed your opinion to Pakistan will definitely thrash india in a test series since they have better spinners for Indian pitches?

 

[BouncerGuy]

After yesterdays historic performance by Pakistani spinners, you must have changed your opinion to Pakistan will definitely thrash india in a test series since they have better spinners for Indian pitches?

Not saying that Pakistan is going to thrash India, but it will be a good contest. Fight of spinners it can be.

Nothing better than an INDO-PAK clash.

 

[jnaveen1980]

India scripted history by becoming the first team ever to slam 100 sixes in Test cricket in a calendar year

Teams to hit most Test sixes in a year

102* – India (2024)

89 – England (2022)

87 – India (2021)

81 – New Zealand (2014)

71 – New Zealand (2013)

Jaiswal alone hit most of them. Atleast 30?

 

[uppercut]

Bro, it is easy to win in dreams and you can win every day. There is no one stopping anyone here to not dreaming about victory.

I just want it to be a reality and until it is not, INDIA is only Winning against PAKISTAN in DREAMSSSSS.,....

Between the 2 group of supporters which one is Dreaming ? Ind or Pak ?

 

[BouncerGuy]

Between the 2 group of supporters which one is Dreaming ? Ind or Pak ?

People who think that India is going to win 100 out of 100 games.

 

[RahulBose]

Cricket is a funny sport where certain teams can deliberately go out of their way to not play certain teams and then get to call themselves the best.

It is like Man City refusing to play Nottingham Forest in the PL and then calls itself PL champions. Absolute nonsense.

Pakistani fans have no reason to recognize India’s success in Test cricket as long as India doesn’t play and beat Pakistan.

Countries and small puny teams of EPL are not co-relatable.

The political environment of EPL remains the same and so they can never have the same equation that India and Pakistan have.

It is really not that difficult to understand, why don't Pakistan understand this.

 

[Aang_The_last_airbender]

People who think that India is going to win 100 out of 100 games.

I don't think any sane person expects that.

 

[RahulBose]

People who think that India is going to win 100 out of 100 games.

That is a sarcastical impossibility for any team in a highly dynamic game of cricket.
More like 2 out 3 games with roughly 70% of all games.

Yup, that sounds about right.

 

[Mamoon]

After yesterdays historic performance by Pakistani spinners, you must have changed your opinion to Pakistan will definitely thrash india in a test series since they have better spinners for Indian pitches?

We are not in the business of celebrating fantasy wins and mourning fantasy losses. We don’t know what will happen if Pakistan and India play Test cricket on turning pitches.

Test cricket is a very exclusive format where only 12 teams compete and therefore, you can’t be the best in Test cricket if you don’t play everyone in different conditions.

For example, we all know that Indian batsmen have 0 skill against the swinging ball. Who wouldn’t love to see Indian 40/4 on a dark gloomy morning in Dublin vs Irish bowlers?

Similarly, it would be great for the game to see Australia reeling against Afghan spinners on a rank turner in the UAE or even India.

 

[Mamoon]

Like how Aus cannot call themselves the best until they regularly play the Mighty Afghan team preferably in a 5 test series in Kabul ? Yup that makes sense.

Afghanistan can actually ruffle Australia in Test cricket on a rank turner in Kabul. You would still back Australia to eventually win but it won’t be a breeze like it would be if they were to play Afghanistan in Australia.

With only 12 teams, Test cricket has a responsibility to ensure that all teams play each other home & away. Until that happens, no one can claim to be the best in the format and WTC will remain a joke competition.

 

[Mamoon]

Countries and small puny teams of EPL are not co-relatable.

The political environment of EPL remains the same and so they can never have the same equation that India and Pakistan have.

It is really not that difficult to understand, why don't Pakistan understand this.

It is not difficult to understand. The point is that Indian hypocrisy is comedic mindset needs to be highlighted.

Political situation becomes irrelevant when it comes to tournaments but relevant when it comes to Test cricket.

The lives of the Indian soldiers who got killed at the hands of evil Pakistanis don’t matter when it comes to ICC tournaments and Asia Cups but the patriotism suddenly kicks in when it comes to Test cricket.

Your board doesn’t have the balls to boycott Pakistan cricket. They are just selective about it.

 

[Aang_The_last_airbender]

Afghanistan can actually ruffle Australia in Test cricket on a rank turner in Kabul. You would still back Australia to eventually win but it won’t be a breeze like it would be if they were to play Afghanistan in Australia.

With only 12 teams, Test cricket has a responsibility to ensure that all teams play each other home & away. Until that happens, no one can claim to be the best in the format and WTC will remain a joke competition.

But we can still claim the legend of certain players from the past who had nice affinity to carbonated beverages

 

[uppercut]

Afghanistan can actually ruffle Australia in Test cricket on a rank turner in Kabul.

Since when ?

With only 12 teams, Test cricket has a responsibility to ensure that all teams play each other home & away. Until that happens, no one can claim to be the best in the format and WTC will remain a joke competition.

Good to know that there has never been a true champion Test team ever in the history of the game ....

 

[uppercut]

People who think that India is going to win 100 out of 100 games.

and who claimed that ?

 

[Mamoon]

Since when ?

What do you mean since when? Afghanistan have a strong spin attack. Australia aren’t strong vs spin. Australia v Afghanistan Test match on a rank turner will be a watchable contest even if the outcome would be heavily in favor of Australia more often than not.

Good to know that there has never been a true champion Test team ever in the history of the game

There have been only been two proper Test champions in history - The WI and Australia. Sorry to burst your bubble but current India is not a champion Test team because they have failed to win in England, South Africa and New Zealand and it was only Australia that made them look good overseas by rolling over for them.

In addition, they deliberately go out of their way to not play a specific opponent and they capped of their era of underachievement by getting hammered in back to back WTC Finals.

 

[uppercut]

What do you mean since when? Afghanistan have a strong spin attack. Australia aren’t strong vs spin. Australia v Afghanistan Test match on a rank turner will be a watchable contest even if the outcome would be heavily in favor of Australia more often than not.

thanks for the small mercies

There have been only been two proper Test champions in history - The WI and Australia.

And did they play all Test Cricketing nations ? Absolutely NOT! So going by your own "theory" they are not any Test champions either. Two can easily play this game. Go ahead whats next ?

 

[Mamoon]

thanks for the small mercies




And did they play all Test Cricketing nations ? Absolutely NOT! So going by your own "theory" they are not any Test champions either. Two can easily play this game. Go ahead whats next ?

This is so easy for me. What happened to the Indian posters who could put a fight. What is this?

West Indies:
They didn’t go out of their way to avoid opponents. They played against all Test teams except South Africa (not counting the Rebel tours with reserve players) who were banned by the ICC. It wasn’t the WI decision to not play them.

Australia:
They played all Test teams including touring Bangladesh in 2006 and hosting Zimbabwe in 2003.

 

[big_gamer007]

We are not in the business of celebrating fantasy wins and mourning fantasy losses. We don’t know what will happen if Pakistan and India play Test cricket on turning pitches.

Test cricket is a very exclusive format where only 12 teams compete and therefore, you can’t be the best in Test cricket if you don’t play everyone in different conditions.

For example, we all know that Indian batsmen have 0 skill against the swinging ball. Who wouldn’t love to see Indian 40/4 on a dark gloomy morning in Dublin vs Irish bowlers?

Similarly, it would be great for the game to see Australia reeling against Afghan spinners on a rank turner in the UAE or even India.

The new Mamoon is so humble and modest.
Let me say it for you, if there’s a series today Pakistan is going to trash India by an innings on the back of their superior spinners.

 

[Mesozoic]

One win after three whole years on a 10th day lottery wicket and suddenly Pakistan is going to thrash India in India who haven't lost a single home series in 12 years lmao.

 

[RyanRyan10]

The new Mamoon is so humble and modest.
Let me say it for you, if there’s a series today Pakistan is going to trash India by an innings on the back of their superior spinners.

And Babar, who is better than India's best batter Kohli, doesn't even make it to their playing XI.

 

[Nikhil_cric]

My eyes are opened after this Multan thrashing.

India very lucky not to face Baldy, Chacha and Zahid in Test cricket.

 

[Mesozoic]

My eyes are opened after this Multan thrashing.

India very lucky not to face Baldy, Chacha and Zahid in Test cricket.

Yeah especially the Zahid Warne guy. He looks like the type of guy who will bully our players mentally and make them submit to him with just his aura. 20 fers after 20 fers were waiting for him across the border, but evil BCCI ended up doing it's thing.

 

[Mamoon]

The new Mamoon is so humble and modest.
Let me say it for you, if there’s a series today Pakistan is going to trash India by an innings on the back of their superior spinners.

One win after three whole years on a 10th day lottery wicket and suddenly Pakistan is going to thrash India in India who haven't lost a single home series in 12 years lmao.

Once again, we are not in the business of celebrating and mourning fantasy wins and losses.

Imagining Pakistan beating India is as relevant as India beating Pakistan because it is not being played out on the pitch.

If the 2017 CT didn’t happen, not a single Indian fan would have entertained the possibility of Pakistan nuking India by 180 runs in the final which remains the biggest whooping to date in an ICC final.

Similarly, if the 2021 T20 WC didn’t happen, not a single Indian fan would have entertained the possibility of Pakistan thrashing them by 10 wickets.

It is hilarious how much Indians get ruffled, and feel attacked, by the mere discussion of Pakistan competing with India in Test matches especially on low scoring pitches.

The gap between two teams is significantly reduced on such pitches. For example, India is a much stronger T20I team than Pakistan at the moment but the difference between the two sides in NY was just a few runs.

Pakistan vs India would be a captivating encounter in Test cricket on the type of pitch that Pakistan produced in the second Test or the type of pitches India have been producing for 10 years.

It is a shame that the fans and players have been deprived of that experience because for BCCI/GOI, the lives of Indian soldiers suddenly become important when it comes to Test cricket but are worth nothing when it comes to ICC tournaments.

 

[Mesozoic]

Once again, we are not in the business of celebrating and mourning fantasy wins and losses.

Neither are we. Predicting is not the same as celebrating. There's nothing to celebrate by beating (hypothetical) this Pakistani side , who are currently rotting at the rock bottom of the WTC table. Absolutely.. nothing.

..you have to understand that it's much easier to fluke wins in white ball formats than in Test cricket..one single spell or one attacking burst with the bat will do the job..it's futile referring to the 2017 or 2021 games

 

[Mesozoic]

Take the ongoing match as example..India literally imploded to 46 all out and would have lost embarrassingly if this was a white ball game.

But it's not a white ball game and India are suddenly thinking about a win going into last session on day 4. Can't believe I needed to spell this out but here we are.

 

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West Indies:
They didn’t go out of their way to avoid opponents.
They played against all Test teams except South Africa (not counting the Rebel tours with reserve players) who were banned by the ICC. It wasn’t the WI decision to not play them.

Do you even know the history of SA rebel cricket and how the WI players that privately toured there were despised ? Go play with someone in your weight class lol.

Anyhow apart from SA the WI team of the 70s and 80s never played vs SL in the 80s. The lone test match they played in 1993 was drawn and in that match the great WI lineup featuring Lara, Haynes, Richardson, Hooper, was skittled out for 202 lol

But yeah if you are feeling brave about discussing why it is the right thing to not have sporting relations with rogue countries open a thread on the timepass forum and I will duly educate you - all free of cost!

Australia:
They played all Test teams including touring Bangladesh in 2006 and hosting Zimbabwe in 2003.

Did Steve Waugh's team win a series in India ? Absolutely not. So try again.

But yeah, don’t let facts get in the way of pretending that tin-pot countries like Pakistan, who just got utterly humiliated by Bangladesh in your own backyard ( LOL! ) have any relevance left in the Cricketing world. Don't forget that the cricketing world just completely ignored you for more than a decade.

 

[uppercut]

Do you even know the history of SA rebel cricket and how the WI players that privately toured there were despised ? Go play with someone in your weight class lol.

Anyhow apart from SA the WI team of the 70s and 80s never played vs SL in the 80s. The lone test match they played in 1993 was drawn and in that match the great WI lineup featuring Lara, Haynes, Richardson, Hooper, was skittled out for 202 lol

But yeah if you are feeling brave about discussing why it is the right thing to not have sporting relations with rogue countries open a thread on the timepass forum and I will duly educate you - all free of cost!



Did Steve Waugh's team win a series in India ? Absolutely not. So try again.

But yeah, don’t let facts get in the way of pretending that tin-pot countries like Pakistan, who just got utterly humiliated by Bangladesh in your own backyard ( LOL! ) have any relevance left in the Cricketing world. Don't forget that the cricketing world just completely ignored you for more than a decade.

Let me know if you need some more idiotic ideas to fast track your new found desire to explore the depths of troll gutter lol

This is so easy for me. What happened to the Indian posters who could put a fight. What is this?

West Indies:
They didn’t go out of their way to avoid opponents. They played against all Test teams except South Africa (not counting the Rebel tours with reserve players) who were banned by the ICC. It wasn’t the WI decision to not play them.

Australia:
They played all Test teams including touring Bangladesh in 2006 and hosting Zimbabwe in 2003.

ahhh the sweet sound of pin drop silence

 

[Mamoon]

Take the ongoing match as example..India literally imploded to 46 all out and would have lost embarrassingly if this was a white ball game.

But it's not a white ball game and India are suddenly thinking about a win going into last session on day 4. Can't believe I needed to spell this out but here we are.

Looks like you had a premature….when Pant and Sarfaraz were batting because India did lose embarrassingly. The delusional arrogance of Indian fans never fails to amaze.

Neither are we. Predicting is not the same as celebrating. There's nothing to celebrate by beating (hypothetical) this Pakistani side , who are currently rotting at the rock bottom of the WTC table. Absolutely.. nothing.

..you have to understand that it's much easier to fluke wins in white ball formats than in Test cricket..one single spell or one attacking burst with the bat will do the job..it's futile referring to the 2017 or 2021 games

If India vs NZ first Test didn’t happen, deluded Indians fans would have never remotely entertained the possibility of India getting destroyed for 46 and losing at home in this fashion.

Cricket, whatever the format, is not played on paper and this is why upsets happen and will continue to happen.

This is precisely why the possibility of Pakistan beating India in a Test match or perhaps even in a Test series on turning pitches even when there is considerable disparity between the two teams cannot be completely dismissed.

I don’t have a problem with India not playing Pakistan, but I do have a problem with the narrative that it is somehow good for Pakistan cricket which is absolute nonsense. It is not good for Pakistan cricket and even cricket in general.

However, it might be good for Indian cricket because any slip up against Pakistan will be very embarrassing considering the disparity between the two sides.

 

[Devadwal]

Pakistan were whitewash against minnows Bangladesh at home but they think they can beat india.

A solidarity win against England after more than 3 years tell a lots about how they becomes another minnows team .

 

[Mamoon]

Do you even know the history of SA rebel cricket and how the WI players that privately toured there were despised ?

What does that have anything to do with the point of discussion? You are evading the point. Let me walk you through it again.

There is a difference between a team getting officially banned from playing cricket and a team that is playing every team except one hypocrite who values the lives of its soldiers based on how much money it can make.

If Pakistan were officially banned by ICC and some players go to play in Pakistan privately, these players would be rightfully criticized. In fact, let me put it this way. If ICC bans Afghanistan cricket and Pakistan sends a private team to play in Afghanistan, I will condemn it.

Pakistan is not a banned team. Heck, even India don’t have the courage to properly boycott Pakistan cricket. Their stance has always been up for sale.

Anyhow apart from SA the WI team of the 70s and 80s never played vs SL in the 80s. The lone test match they played in 1993 was drawn and in that match the great WI lineup featuring Lara, Haynes, Richardson, Hooper, was skittled out for 202 lol

So….they did play a Test in SL. Thanks for arguing with yourself I guess?

But yeah if you are feeling brave about discussing why it is the right thing to not have sporting relations with rogue countries open a thread on the timepass forum and I will duly educate you - all free of cost!

But India do have sporting relations with Pakistan. They play Pakistan in other sports and they also play Pakistan in ICC tournaments because ICC tournament points + $$$ are more important than the lives of their soldiers.

Pakistan becomes a “rouge” country when it comes to bilateral cricket but “rogue” status is conveniently revoked when it comes to other sports and ICC tournaments.

You are not intelligent enough to realize this but this hypocrisy is extremely disrespectful to the Indian soldiers and their families who are intelligent enough to realize that India’s bogus stance depends on money and not solidarity, otherwise they would boycott Pakistan in ICC tournaments as well and not play in other sports either. It is actually hilarious that their lives only become important in bilateral cricket.

Did Steve Waugh's team win a series in India ? Absolutely not. So try again.

But yeah, don’t let facts get in the way of pretending that tin-pot countries like Pakistan, who just got utterly humiliated by Bangladesh in your own backyard ( LOL! ) have any relevance left in the Cricketing world. Don't forget that the cricketing world just completely ignored you for more than a decade.

Let me know if you need some more idiotic ideas to fast track your new found desire to explore the depths of troll gutter lol

And so what if Steve Waugh’s Australia didn’t lose? At least they weren’t hypocrites. Imagine if they didn’t play in India claiming that they are the best team anyway and don’t need to prove themselves in India. The cricket world would have been robbed of a great series.

You are more than welcome to come to Pakistan or host Pakistan in your home and beat the daylights out of us in Test cricket. No problem at all. At least it will bring credibility to your nation and put an end to the hypocrisy. The ask is simple: if you consider Pakistan a rogue state, don’t play Pakistan in ICC tournaments.