The Babar Azam versus Virat Kohli captaincy comparison

[MenInG]

So we have Babar Azam looking meek & uninspiring on the field when he needed to be egging his team to make short work of the Windies....

and then we have Virat Kohli before start of the England innings on the last day....

"if I see someone laughing, then see! This 60 overs you should field like hell".

Take your pick and tell me which captain would you prefer?

 

[dildilpak]

That was an aggressive declaration today! Will take that anyday over meekness displayed by the Pakistani thinktank.

 

[pillionrider]

"if I see someone laughing, then see! This 60 overs you should field like hell".

Take your pick and tell me which captain would you prefer?

Is that what he said. I thought it was
“These 60 overs they should feel like hell”
which would be more

 

[Babbar]

Is that what he said. I thought it was
“These 60 overs they should feel like hell”
which would be more

Even i thought that Kohli said - these 60 overs They (Eng) should feel like hell.

 

[Titan24]

In terms of captaincy just like their overall batting Kohli is far more mature and polished currently (Yes Kohli has a slump in form and is in later part of his career), the amount of cricket and experience plays a big role.

If we talk about attitude than Kohli is just a different personality and even guys like Root, Morgan, Williamson, Paine etc they dont really look imposing on the field in comparison. However, yes the message and direction which you give your team and the environment you create on the field to make it difficult for opposition and inside the dressing room to make your players confident are crucial factors. So Babar cant really change who he is as a person in terms of way he expresses his emotions however, there are still many things he can learn from more experienced captains around like Kohli, Williamson, Morgan etc.

 

[street cricketer]

I mean, Kohli is not really the most tactically sound.

He is a bit like Imran, who similarly cast a huge shadow over his team through his standing in the game and inspiring his team to perform better. But Kohli is not the most tactically sound for sure.

 

[pillionrider]

I mean, Kohli is not really the most tactically sound.

He is a bit like Imran, who similarly cast a huge shadow over his team through his standing in the game and inspiring his team to perform better. But Kohli is not the most tactically sound for sure.

Imran was renowned for his selections. Meanwhile Kohli ....

 

[street cricketer]

Imran was renowned for his selections. Meanwhile Kohli ....

I've heard from a few Pak fans that Javed Miandad was the more tactically sound captain while Imran was the kind of captain who pulled his team along with him with the way he played the game. Rahane in that way is undoubtedly tactically better than Kohli but Kohli is the better player by some distance.

 

[pillionrider]

I've heard from a few Pak fans that Javed Miandad was the more tactically sound captain while Imran was the kind of captain who pulled his team along with him with the way he played the game. Rahane in that way is undoubtedly tactically better than Kohli but Kohli is the better player by some distance.

Javed picked Wasim afaik from an initial bunch he watched in the nets, but it was up to IK as captain to make the final call. Waqar was IK watching him on TV in some domestic game or something.

 

[cricketAXEpert]

So we have Babar Azam looking meek & uninspiring on the field when he needed to be egging his team to make short work of the Windies....

and then we have Virat Kohli before start of the England innings on the last day....

"if I see someone laughing, then see! This 60 overs you should field like hell".

Take your pick and tell me which captain would you prefer?

Below Par Captaincy by Babar, Why was Yasir Shah not used against the # 11, When 9 wickets were down Yasir Shah should have been brought into the attack with 5 or 6 close fielder to put pressure. We should have won that test. That is generally Poor Captaincy no need to compare with Virat. Rizwan should be made the new Captain.

 

[Babbar]

Imran made enough bad selection decisions. Players you never heard after their first series thanks to Imran. Everyone only remembers his 4-5 top recruits. But that’s how it works when you take one-sided decision without asking anyone. You take 10 decisions to get one right. But credit to Imran for removing bad selections quickly.

Anyway, both are charismatic players with superb captaincy as well as personal records.

 

[DeadlyVenom]

Comparing Babar to Virat is like comparing a Tiger to a housecat.

 

[pillionrider]

On topic, you can't really expect Babar to act like Kohli if he doesn't have aggressive players around him to back it up. As long as he is good with his team selections and with youngsters, he could be a good captain for Pakistan. Already has the team's respect it seems. Haven't watched him as captain to have any opinion on his tactics.

 

[shariqnoor]

Few things regarding Babar vs Kohli with respect to captaincy:

Every person has a different demeanor, therefore everyone is going to captain differently. Babar is by nature a sort of introverted person who does not like going over the board with his emotions. Kohli on the other hand is an opposite of what Babar is. He leads by his emotions and attitude. Nobody is wrong or right here. There are many ways to skin a cat. Babar does it in his own way and Kohli in his own.

Just like Batman needs a Robin, a captain of a cricket team also needs a tactical player by his side. Kohli is by no means the smartest player on the team, but he has two players in Rohit and Ajinkya who are superior tactically. That helps a lot. Babar on the other hand, does not have any player beside him who can provide him with great advice. Rizwan maybe. Pakistani players are generally bereft of any match awareness skills, which is ably reflected in their choice of deliveries and strokes at crucial times. That is a huge hindrance for any captain to overcome.

Also, a captain can only be as good as his team. Had Babar got Wasim and Shoaib at his disposal, do you think Babar would've lost the match having the opposition at 114/7? All he would do is give the ball to them and they'd do the rest. Shaheen, Abbas and Hasan are no world beaters at all and are themselves trying to learn international cricket. Kohli has an abundant array of fast bowlers at his disposal and two world class spinners.

If Pakistan had the brains of Miandad or, even better, Salim Malik in the team, then it would have been a complete no-brainer to strip Babar of the captaincy. But as it is, Babar is the best player on the team and probably the best mind as well. He just doesn't have the arsenal to win matches as the players he have aren't good enough.

Sure there were a few blunders made by Babar, such as gifting of the singles to Kemar Roach, but that's his learning. This was the first close Test match he's been involved in (either as an individual or a captain) so to me it's understandable that he froze in the situation. Against England in the 3rd T20, even though Pakistan lost the match, I thought Babar's captaincy was excellent and he manouevered his bowling options quite brilliantly. The more he'll captain, the better he'll get. The alarm bells should ring when he repeatedly fails in such situations.

Right now, Babar and Rizwan are probably the only two genuine talents in this team that can stake a claim in a World XI of a format. Therefore the captaincy will be a choice between them only. Rizwan has captained well in domestics and PSL and therefore can be considered as an upgrade over Babar. But now that Babar has been given the task of captaincy, it's fair to give him a long run to see how he develops. Too much chopping and changing, just like with batsmen and bowlers, is damaging.

There's no use comparing him with Kohli. Both have different players who are on completely different levels and that makes captaincy comparision equivalent to comparing apples and oranges. Kohli wouldn't win much with his jazba and junoon if given this Pakistan team to work with while Babar would probably not lose much either with his introverted demeanor if given the riches of the Indian team.

Babar's captaincy is the least of the worries of this team. It's getting proper talented and skillful players into the playing 11. Until then, stick with Babar.

 

[Firebat]

That was an aggressive declaration today! Will take that anyday over meekness displayed by the Pakistani thinktank.

Exactly my thoughts. Could never see Misbah and Babar making such a declaration (not that we get into such winning positions frequently though)

 

[IMMY69]

Kohli is all heart and he wears it on his sleeve.

I would rather have an over enthusiastic and outgoing captain like Kohli then a passive one.
What you lack in tactical skills you make up with heart

 

[Babbar]

Kohli had on-field mentors in Dhoni and earlier Ganguli. Off field he has a cool & smart ally like Shastri who he totally totally trusts and vice versa. On field, he has Rahane and Rohit Sharma to lean on. This is a great support system.

Babar needs support like this. He’s the best Pakistan has. Any other captain from the current Pakistan team will find it difficult to gain coach, team or even fans’ backing even if he’s strategically sound.

 

[Savak]

You give Babar the players Kohli has at his disposal and even he will look like a million dollars. The only fault i give to Babar is selecting Abbas and Yasir. A captain can't do much if a bowler is bowling 120 km/hr and a spinner is playing on reputation and cannot spin the ball to save his life on a Day 4 and Day 5 wicket. Kohli also does not have the pressure of being the main batsman in the side where the side just falters without him.

Babar has it tougher

 

[Local.Dada]

This is so unfair on Babar and leaves him to bashing but there was never a comparison between Virat and Babar leave alone as a cricketer but even as a personality/icon.

 

[IMMY69]

You give Babar the players Kohli has at his disposal and even he will look like a million dollars. The only fault i give to Babar is selecting Abbas and Yasir. A captain can't do much if a bowler is bowling 120 km/hr and a spinner is playing on reputation and cannot spin the ball to save his life on a Day 4 and Day 5 wicket. Kohli also does not have the pressure of being the main batsman in the side where the side just falters without him.

Babar has it tougher

But as captain he has to lead his team out on the field which means he should be vocal about which players he wants with him.
Of course there are free loaders in the team but as captain he should have a strong say in picking the final eleven. I doubt Kohli would accept Shastri telling who to pick if he wasn't happy with it.

 

[Saj]

An in your face, aggressive and experienced skipper who is battle-hardened and has many years of cricket and leadership behind him.

The other a young skipper still learning the art of captaincy, a quiet and at times timid skipper who if the truth be told, doesn't always look very comfortable as captain.

Babar will never be the same type of skipper as Kohli, but there are some obvious things that he can learn from the Indian skipper.

 

[MenInG]

An in your face, aggressive and experienced skipper who is battle-hardened and has many years of cricket and leadership behind him.

The other a young skipper still learning the art of captaincy, a quiet and at times timid skipper who if the truth be told, doesn't always look very comfortable as captain.

Babar will never be the same type of skipper as Kohli, but there are some obvious things that he can learn from the Indian skipper.

 

[AamchiMumbaikar]

Well he delivered us almost an improbable win today at Lords

Took 10 wickets within 60 overs after that declaration!

 

[saabir]

No comparison at all. Kohli is aggressive and bold have full backing of shastri while Azam is passive And depend upon Misbah and Waqar for tactical decisions

 

[GoUgandaCranes]

It's not just captaincy, I feel Pakistani cricketers don't watch cricket played by other teams and since they don't speak English, even if they ever actually watch a test match, they never learn a thing from the expert commentator's analysis or commentary because of their comprehension skills. That's why education is important in sports as it lets you extract the most of your abilities. People who regularly watch cricket may not be blessed with the same skillset but we learn a lot from just watching cricket listening to people like Ian Chappel, Tony Greg, Shane Warne, Holding, and the likes.

That's why when our team goes into the field, they often look like amateurs as they just don't have the mental aspect of the sport covered. Bob Woolmer introduced taking the ball in front of the wicket with the hands in 99' as a tactic to remove a millisecond if the throw doesn't hit the wicket, I can safely say our cricketers would not be aware of it 21 years later. It's the same with field placements and tactics, you never see a Pakistani captain set out a different plan for a different batsman. It's literally the same with each ball, the bowler running in and throwing the ball and hoping that it does something.

And to add, we have a coach who is basically a drillmaster at best. Misbah has a lot of qualities but innovation isn't one of them. It's ok to make wrong decisions for the right reasons, but we make wrong decisions for the wrong reasons. I can bet Yasir was preferred over Nauman because he had historically done well in West Indies, and not because they read the pitch correctly. We won against South Africa because of our lower order as it scored runs, and then the next match we play we mess it up and make it weak by adding 3 tail-enders and Hassan whose brain isn't capable to think when he's batting. The management is unable to judge players, their technical flaws, or anything. You can ask Misbah about the flaw with Imran Butt's technique and he'd turn a blank face, the total lack of homework just shows.

When it comes to captaincy, the worse part is there is also no one in Pakistan who is capable of captaining the test team from the current pool of players. T20 is a joke format and ODI's aren't played that often anymore so captaincy there is irrelevant. To add to the bad news, there's also no up-and-coming youngster who can captain the team in the near future. Maybe we can ask Sana Mir to step in and captain the team, we are already always playing with 8 or 9 players instead of 11 so it won't be an issue anyway.

 

[Shafi]

Kohli is a naturally born leader where Babar is a dummy captain where Misbah runs the show from behind the scene.

 

[ElRaja]

the last 10 or 15 years pakistanis cricketers have generally been very timid. hassan is the only one who shows any agg, the rest would rather not challenge or get challenged.

 

[Babbar]

Babar does not have to be dependent on Misbah and Waqar. He is more critical to Pakistan’s fortune than Kohli is to India.

In fact, Babar position in Pak team is similar to Gavaskar at his peak in the Indian team. Indian used to switch off radios/TVs whenever Gavaskar got out. Pak batting, bowling, fielding, ranking and even results at present are very similar to why India achieved during Gavaskar era. No fault of Gavaskar or Babar of course, as others were mostly freeloaders.

So Babar can really force the issue if he wants. He’s the only star in the team, rest are unknown faces really. The only other known face of Pak Cricket in recent years was Amir and before than Afridi. The era of Imran, Waqar, Wasim, Shoaib, Miandad, Abbas, Younis have long gone.

I am surprised why Babar does not tell Misbah & Waqar to take a hike and demand another coach unless he himself is not confident of his own decisions.

 

[dildilpak]

Babar does not have to be dependent on Misbah and Waqar. He is more critical to Pakistan’s fortune than Kohli is to India.

In fact, Babar position in Pak team is similar to Gavaskar at his peak in the Indian team. Indian used to switch off radios/TVs whenever Gavaskar got out. Pak batting, bowling, fielding, ranking and even results at present are very similar to why India achieved during Gavaskar era. No fault of Gavaskar or Babar of course, as others were mostly freeloaders.

So Babar can really force the issue if he wants. He’s the only star in the team, rest are unknown faces really. The only other known face of Pak Cricket in recent years was Amir and before than Afridi. The era of Imran, Waqar, Wasim, Shoaib, Miandad, Abbas, Younis have long gone.

I am surprised why Babar does not tell Misbah & Waqar to take a hike and demand another coach unless he himself is not confident of his own decisions.

Two problems with that - a) Babar has an inherently milder & non-combative personalit like Rahane. He has to learn to impose himself on the management & be a leader like Kohli does.
b) Kohli was groomed into this role - Babar was thrown into the role by default as he was the only performing player or an automatic selection. Ideally he should never have been made a captain, but we dont have anybody else.

 

[Varun]

It seems the loss of batting form has had no effect on Kohli's captaincy. Good stuff.

 

[Ab Fan]

This is Virat Kohli's greatest win as captain. A little overrated as a test batsman though.

 

[Mamoon]

Kohli is the GOAT Asian Test captain. What has Babar achieved to merit this comparison?

 

[Josh]

Babar is very new to captaincy and is not a very imposing figure. Kohli is definitely better than Babar in term of captaincy but Babar has a long way to go before we judge him as a captain. As of now he doesn't have the dominating personality to convince players from within.

 

[Walawalkar]

Unfair comparison...Kohli is GOAT Asian Captain... Babar just started his journey..

 

[Saj]

One way I look at captaincy is what would I think if I was a player in the dressing room or out on the field with that skipper.

I know Kohli overdoes the drama at times, but you can see that every player who plays under him will give absolutely everything for him on the field. And that is a good gauge of how good any captain is.

 

[sharmaji]

Babar doesn't have to follow the footsteps of Kohli; he can emulate Kane Williamson as a captain.

 

[Savak]

But as captain he has to lead his team out on the field which means he should be vocal about which players he wants with him.
Of course there are free loaders in the team but as captain he should have a strong say in picking the final eleven. I doubt Kohli would accept Shastri telling who to pick if he wasn't happy with it.

I believe Mohd Wasim selected a squad of plenty of rookies and Babar went to the PCB Chairman, PCB CEO to complain that his demands for including Hafeez, Malik, Abbas, Yasir Shah was over looked. I don't buy it that Babar has no authority at all. Overall the Pakistani players unlike the Indians have zero idea or concept of what the team lacks, what the team needs today and what the needs going forward. Everyone approaches it like a day to day job. There is no one visionary to impose his vision or concept on the team.

Indian pace bowling has gone up ten notches under Kohli.

 

[gani999]

Two problems with that - a) Babar has an inherently milder & non-combative personalit like Rahane. He has to learn to impose himself on the management & be a leader like Kohli does.
b) Kohli was groomed into this role - Babar was thrown into the role by default as he was the only performing player or an automatic selection. Ideally he should never have been made a captain, but we dont have anybody else.

A meek captain doesn't have to be a bad one. Rahane showed that in Australia.
The problems confronting Babar are that he is still rather inexperienced and doesn't have as good a support network as Kohli/Rahane do. He will learn with experience, as he is basically a sane and steady player who has shown some real dedication to play for Pakistan.

 

[Markhor]

A meek captain doesn't have to be a bad one. Rahane showed that in Australia.

Pakistanis generally think fake macho toughness and posturing translates into "aggressive captaincy" which somehow = world domination.

Even if we adopted attacking tactics that put Brendon McCullum to shame - the plain facts are:

- We've a captain who rarely delivers under pressure in Test cricket with the bat
- A bowling lineup spearheaded by a kid still learning on the job
- Our seniormost Test batsman is playing well past his prime
- A head coach who's never even coached a gully team
- A bowling coach with a disdain for data driven strategies
- A recently revamped FC, city, club and coaching system that'll take years to bear fruit
- Dead slow, low home pitches ensuring our players are sitting ducks overseas
- Braindead selection policies where one season PSL wonders and YouTube sensations are given intl caps
- A toxic media full of snakes with individual agendas who bark 24/7 and never suggest constructive ideas

So Pakistan fans, who every day convince me are the most delusional set of sporting fans on the planet, please tell me how more on-field "aggreshun" will compensate for all this. Answers on a postcard.

 

[dildilpak]

A meek captain doesn't have to be a bad one. Rahane showed that in Australia.
The problems confronting Babar are that he is still rather inexperienced and doesn't have as good a support network as Kohli/Rahane do. He will learn with experience, as he is basically a sane and steady player who has shown some real dedication to play for Pakistan.

I meant meek as in not standing up to the management, not as in aggresive antics on-field. You can be a Williamson like quiet & still be aggressive mentally & get the team you want if you assert yourself. And btw i dont really buy the argument that Rahane solely won in Australia - that team had the stamp of Kohli/ Shastri all over them in their tactics & nonchalance. But do agree with you that the support system the big 4 has a lot to do with the results they show.

 

[hb787]

Did anyone see the attacking field Kohli set in last 5-10 overs?
The comparison ends right there.

Kohli goes OTT, but man his teammates rally behind him for it.

 

[Cricanalyst1]

That is not great captaincy. Anyone with half a brain would do that as Eng had not chance to win at that time. The declaration timing on the other hand is what aggressive captaincy is - Michel Clarke and Shane Warne would have been proud. I can think of no Asian captain that would have done it (includes Imran, Ranatunga, Ganguly and Dhoni).

 

[ChennaiFan]

Babar doesn't have to follow the footsteps of Kohli; he can emulate Kane Williamson as a captain.

Exactly! Do the best that works for you. Babar can remain the nice guy and still be tactically aggressive like Mahela.

 

[hb787]

That is not great captaincy. Anyone with half a brain would do that as Eng had not chance to win at that time. The declaration timing on the other hand is what aggressive captaincy is - Michel Clarke and Shane Warne would have been proud. I can think of no Asian captain that would have done it (includes Imran, Ranatunga, Ganguly and Dhoni).

Oh bhai our captain Cover Drive set defensive fields yesterday which allowed WI to take singles and get back into the game.

 

[Cricanalyst1]

Oh bhai our captain Cover Drive set defensive fields yesterday which allowed WI to take singles and get back into the game.

When Kohl’s set the field England needed about 200 runs with few wickets in hands and not many overs remaining. In the case of Babar, WI needed 50 runs. Not saying Babar was right, just that it is not a fair comparison.

 

[hoshiarpurexpress]

Babar is a bheegi billi... Kohli is a Sher.
There is no comparison in terms of captaincy.

 

[jnaveen1980]

VK has a potent pace attack. He also has been captaining for so long in various formats. Babar is fairly new. Virat has his own share of stupid tactics. Jut that bowlers are able to mask it. One thing he does well though is providing aggression. You don't have to be aggressive. Kane williams is better captain than kohli. He doesn't display any aggression openly.

 

[hoshiarpurexpress]

When Kohl’s set the field England needed about 200 runs with few wickets in hands and not many overs remaining. In the case of Babar, WI needed 50 runs. Not saying Babar was right, just that it is not a fair comparison.

The point is in Test Cricket you always go for the kill, all the time. Kohli would have been aggressive even with 10 runs to go.
He has shown that he does not mind losing, even if going for the win, time and again.

 

[hoshiarpurexpress]

Michael Clarke was the last aggressive and bold Captain I saw in modern times. Kohli is his hier apparent.
Babar, well he does not have the resources, plus timid to the boot to inspire his teammates.

 

[drubwrubnat]

As usual, Pakistan was all heart and had their brains in their knees. The best captains are the mavericks. I really thought Babar would improve the fielding, composure and polish the rough edges but alas ! Pakistan needs to imbibe a proper sporting culture, and invest in the basics

Well done Shaheen & Hasan showed real grit.

 

[AMSS]

Good post by [MENTION=141811]shariqnoor[/MENTION]

Nauseating and misplaced praise for Kohli by a few chaatukaars. Kohli's captaincy is a burden on Indian team.

 

[Energy]

If Kohli can win games with Abid, Butt, Azhar, Fawad, Yasir, Abbas then we're on the same page.

Our test team is a bunch of clowns, and it's even more comical that the above-mentioned are ''exclusively'' picked for test match format. While the ones who are performing, Babar, Rizwan, Hassan, Shaheen et al are playing with a heavier workload.

Such is the donkey-ish thinking imposed by Misbah that the test match specialists are the weakest links in the team.

 

[Unleashed]

Michael Clarke was the last aggressive and bold Captain I saw in modern times. Kohli is his hier apparent.
Babar, well he does not have the resources, plus timid to the boot to inspire his teammates.

Nah mate, as much as I love Kohli, don't think he's anywhere near Clarke in terms of captaincy.

Kohli still makes quite a lot of mistakes tactically and selection.

 

[Corridor of Uncertainty]

Babar Azam isn't in the same league, or even stratosphere.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">The intensity of Virat Kohli! <br>"Koi aisa haste huwe dikha na mere ko, un ke players ke samne, toh dekh lena. Theek Hai?"<br>In English: "If I see anyone laughing in front of their players, see what happens. Got it?"<br>Then concludes: "60 overs should feel like hell out there" <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/ENGvIND?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#ENGvIND</a> <a href="https://t.co/OuTmFpp59z">pic.twitter.com/OuTmFpp59z</a></p>— Aatif Nawaz (@AatifNawaz) <a href="https://twitter.com/AatifNawaz/status/1427561049201467416?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">August 17, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

 

[Babbar]

Nah mate, as much as I love Kohli, don't think he's anywhere near Clarke in terms of captaincy.

Kohli still makes quite a lot of mistakes tactically and selection.

It’s results that matter. Every captain makes tactical mistakes. Silly to think that there is someone born out there who’s a perfect captain. Clarke too would have made hundreds of stupid tactical & selection mistakes to lose 16 test matches with such a gun team.

Clarke Captaincy Record

Test: 47 Total, 24 Win, 16 Losses; Win/Loss: 1.5
ODI: 70 Total, 50 Win, 21 Losses: WinLoss: 2.4

Kohli:
Test: 67 Total, 37 Win, 15 Losses; Win/Loss: 2.5
ODI: 95 Total, 65 Win, 25 Losses: WinLoss: 2.6

No comparison between the two, especially, if we consider their individual performance also. Kohli has better captaincy record over a longer period.

 

[OMB]

Babar and Kohli can definitely be compared. Both are from subcontinent, and are premier batsmen of their country and are playing against same set of International players comtemporarily.

We are comparing their captaincy ability such as tactics, leadership, motivational and cricketing intelligence.
So what if they have different temperament. We are not comparing their personalities. if that were the case, no player should ever be compared to other player.
Bring on the comparision by all means

 

[mastimasti]

So we have Babar Azam looking meek & uninspiring on the field when he needed to be egging his team to make short work of the Windies....

and then we have Virat Kohli before start of the England innings on the last day....

"if I see someone laughing, then see! This 60 overs you should field like hell".

Take your pick and tell me which captain would you prefer?

Two very situations and two very different time frames .Babar is yesterday's captain while Kohli has been captain for years, in an established side filled with senior players and who has only just started to look good tactically (are we forgetting this so called meekness in SA and previous England tours?).

I am continuously surprised at the negativity of Pakistani fans on a PAKISTANI FORUM.

Makes our jobs as Indians a lot easier.

 

[Babbar]

I am surprised that many Pakistani are saying that having to lead seniors like Rohit, Rahane, Ashwin, Pujara is a positive for Kohli captaincy.

In Pakistan almost always and for a long time in India, leading a team full of accomplished seniors has always been more troublesome than leading a team built from scratch.

Recall Gavaskar, Kapil Dev, Venkat Raghavan and mutiny that almost every Pakistan captain faced except Imran Khan.

Virat made seniors like Rohit, Rahane, Ashwin accept him as their leader by his performance, attitude, results and empathy. Nothing stops Babar from doing the same.

 

[sharmaji]

Yes! Everyone's different and unique and there is no "one" right leadership style.

Exactly! Do the best that works for you. Babar can remain the nice guy and still be tactically aggressive like Mahela.

 

[mastimasti]

My previous post has gone missing, I may have quoted the wrong person

Haha, relax, just a joke.

So I will just repeat, are we seriously comparing a guy who became captain yesterday to a guy who has been captain for many years. Oh, and how many hard fought wins in tough conditions has Kohli's aggression actually won us?

Kohli has captained India in 32 away tests and won 14 (less than 50% math geniuses!).
That is two tests a piece in England and Australia, a solitary test in South Africa and 9 tests in the Windies and Sri Lanka combined.

So if we minus the teams which are clearly inferior to India, that is just 5 test wins away to hard opposition in tough conditions, out of 32 matches....I repeat, 5 out of 32. So how far has the aggression and swagger gotten him?

I applaud KOhli's tactics (see my post in the match thread) but it's not his aggression that got us the win...I mean that is laughable

 

[The lone Ranger]

My previous post has gone missing, I may have quoted the wrong person

Haha, relax, just a joke.

So I will just repeat, are we seriously comparing a guy who became captain yesterday to a guy who has been captain for many years. Oh, and how many hard fought wins in tough conditions has Kohli's aggression actually won us?

Kohli has captained India in 32 away tests and won 14 (less than 50% math geniuses!).
That is two tests a piece in England and Australia, a solitary test in South Africa and 9 tests in the Windies and Sri Lanka combined.

So if we minus the teams which are clearly inferior to India, that is just 5 test wins away to hard opposition in tough conditions, out of 32 matches....I repeat, 5 out of 32. So how far has the aggression and swagger gotten him?

I applaud KOhli's tactics (see my post in the match thread) but it's not his aggression that got us the win...I mean that is laughable

Atleast he has 5 wins but some teams haven't been able to draw a test match for decades in some countries and some teams keep losing to Windies if it's that easy to beat them in their own backyard.

Aren't you the one who were saying England didn't get enough match practice in their home conditions when they were struggling in the first test? You kept saying they would win all the remaining matches?.

Now you couldn't digest after seeing the yesterday's performance. Even burnols won't help.

 

[Shafi]

I fear this thread will be similar as “Kohli vs U Akmal” thread. Don’t think Babar will be captain if PCB find a professional foreign coach. Babar has lack of leadership abilities and he was lucky to be chosen as captain. After the T20 World Cup Babar will loose his captaincy.

 

[Babbar]

My previous post has gone missing, I may have quoted the wrong person

Haha, relax, just a joke.

So I will just repeat, are we seriously comparing a guy who became captain yesterday to a guy who has been captain for many years. Oh, and how many hard fought wins in tough conditions has Kohli's aggression actually won us?

Kohli has captained India in 32 away tests and won 14 (less than 50% math geniuses!).
That is two tests a piece in England and Australia, a solitary test in South Africa and 9 tests in the Windies and Sri Lanka combined.

So if we minus the teams which are clearly inferior to India, that is just 5 test wins away to hard opposition in tough conditions, out of 32 matches....I repeat, 5 out of 32. So how far has the aggression and swagger gotten him?

I applaud KOhli's tactics (see my post in the match thread) but it's not his aggression that got us the win...I mean that is laughable

Your whole argument is based on wrong math that even 2nd class student should have got right. For someone who’s so proud of his math skills LOL

Virat has won 14 out of 32 away matches. That does not mean he lost all others. This less than 50% win ratio has no meaning if rains keep washing out matches or when two teams with strong batting face each other. Find Win-loss ratio.

If you want to discount Kohli’s 14 wins against soft oppositions like WI, SL, Pak etc, and count just 5 wins, you have to also count only matches that were played against the hard opposition, excluding those against softies as per you.

So 5 out of 32 ‘data’ is Mickey Mouse math pulled out of a place where sun does not shine.

Try hard next time - PP’s resident Fields medal winner!

And it’s not field marshal army medal, but Fields - the biggest maths award in the world .

 

[MP2011]

Atleast he has 5 wins but some teams haven't been able to draw a test match for decades in some countries and some teams keep losing to Windies if it's that easy to beat them in their own backyard.

Aren't you the one who were saying England didn't get enough match practice in their home conditions when they were struggling in the first test? You kept saying they would win all the remaining matches?.

Now you couldn't digest after seeing the yesterday's performance. Even burnols won't help.

Did he? Really? How desperate one can get?

 

[MP2011]

So apparently England can't win in India because clearly, their spinners are far inferior to India's. However, they can't even win in England (on the basis of the evidence we've so far) as their batsmen can't play Indian pacers either.

 

[Ab Fan]

So apparently England can't win in India because clearly, their spinners are far inferior to India's. However, they can't even win in England (on the basis of the evidence we've so far) as their batsmen can't play Indian pacers either.

England are an overrated side.

They can't beat New Zealand, can't beat India, can't beat Australia in tests and can't beat Pakistan in subcontinent either.

They are only good for beating Sri Lanka, South Africa and Windies.

 

[MenInG]

Waqar Younis on Babar Azam captaincy:

"I don't think the captain did anything wrong [field placings towards end] and he captained really well throughout the game, especially as a young captain; He did a wonderful job but unfortunately he just couldn't finish the game"

 

[MP2011]

England are an overrated side.

They're. That's why it was such a shame we lost to this ragtag bunch 1-4 in 2018!

 

[JattMaula]

Our kaptaan is a Manchild.

Babar is just beginning his captaincy. Calm people like him are objectively better leaders. Our kaptaan just has very good team to back him. Babar needs more time to develop his own team.

 

[JaDed]

Our kaptaan is a Manchild.

Babar is just beginning his captaincy. Calm people like him are objectively better leaders. Our kaptaan just has very good team to back him. Babar needs more time to develop his own team.

While our Kaptaan is defn a Manchild but Babar isn’t able to dominate like Dhoni could early
on and those aren’t good signs to see because PCB management isn’t as good as current BCCI or NZ cricket board where everything will be managed on its own without a dominating leader.

 

[Saj]

Tough time to be Pakistan captain these days.

No leaders, no major role-models and not many players who can change the course of a match.

Babar has his work cut out - I wouldn't want to be in his shoes and I wonder just how long he will want to continue to lead in all 3 formats.

 

[dildilpak]

Our kaptaan is a Manchild.

Babar is just beginning his captaincy. Calm people like him are objectively better leaders. Our kaptaan just has very good team to back him. Babar needs more time to develop his own team.

Its a fallacy that calm people make good leaders/sportspersons - look at people like Ricky Ponting & how successful he was. The very fact that Kohli’s team rallies around him & has adopted his street fighting attitude & killer instinct shows that he is a good leader for his team - they would have revolted if he wasnt. So yeah, there are different types of personalities around there & there is no set formula how a good leader should be.

 

[RyanRyan10]

Your whole argument is based on wrong math that even 2nd class student should have got right. For someone who’s so proud of his math skills LOL

Virat has won 14 out of 32 away matches. That does not mean he lost all others. This less than 50% win ratio has no meaning if rains keep washing out matches or when two teams with strong batting face each other. Find Win-loss ratio.

If you want to discount Kohli’s 14 wins against soft oppositions like WI, SL, Pak etc, and count just 5 wins, you have to also count only matches that were played against the hard opposition, excluding those against softies as per you.

So 5 out of 32 ‘data’ is Mickey Mouse math pulled out of a place where sun does not shine.

Try hard next time - PP’s resident Fields medal winner!

And it’s not field marshal army medal, but Fields - the biggest maths award in the world .

Was going to point out the same thing.

This kind of data manipulation by some here is quote often done here to make it look like both sides are at the same level.

And then comparing our worst with their best to make their players look better. Lmao, why can't they just accept the reality?

 

[Cricketrenew]

Unfair comparison... Babar is no Miandad but he is the best player in the team... he wants to keep his team with him. Kohli is seasoned and demands respect. Babar lot younger tooo me thinks....
Kohli can get his way..... Babar not confident enough and skilled enough as captain but thats not his fault.

Really Pak could do with an Imran, Javed... Kohli... etc..... leader that demands respect and gets his way.

Too many people such as Misbah, Waqar far more experienced so..... Babar does look a feeble captain but thats not his fault.... he has calm personality

 

[Rohan]

My previous post has gone missing, I may have quoted the wrong person

Haha, relax, just a joke.

So I will just repeat, are we seriously comparing a guy who became captain yesterday to a guy who has been captain for many years. Oh, and how many hard fought wins in tough conditions has Kohli's aggression actually won us?

Kohli has captained India in 32 away tests and won 14 (less than 50% math geniuses!).
That is two tests a piece in England and Australia, a solitary test in South Africa and 9 tests in the Windies and Sri Lanka combined.

So if we minus the teams which are clearly inferior to India, that is just 5 test wins away to hard opposition in tough conditions, out of 32 matches....I repeat, 5 out of 32. So how far has the aggression and swagger gotten him?

I applaud KOhli's tactics (see my post in the match thread) but it's not his aggression that got us the win...I mean that is laughable

RIP Math due to following issues:

14 win out of 32 = 5 win out of 32

Lol

 

[Babbar]

Babar is a good captain and fast learner. He’s of course a terrific batsman and also the only one with long term position in the team assured.

He clearly does not have the team, mentors or the coaching support that Kohli enjoys. A lot of Kohli’s irritating habits and glaring mistakes get plastered over because of current team strength and trust that he enjoys of the whole team, not just players.

Pak needs to support Babar and give him confidence to become better. Don’t throw the baby out with the bath water.

 

[mastimasti]

RIP Math due to following issues:

14 win out of 32 = 5 win out of 32

Lol

English level

I clearly stated only 5 test wins when removing lesser teams, so that means I am counting England, SA, NA and Australia only.

 

[mastimasti]

Your whole argument is based on wrong math that even 2nd class student should have got right. For someone who’s so proud of his math skills LOL

Virat has won 14 out of 32 away matches. That does not mean he lost all others. This less than 50% win ratio has no meaning if rains keep washing out matches or when two teams with strong batting face each other. Find Win-loss ratio.

If you want to discount Kohli’s 14 wins against soft oppositions like WI, SL, Pak etc, and count just 5 wins, you have to also count only matches that were played against the hard opposition, excluding those against softies as per you.

So 5 out of 32 ‘data’ is Mickey Mouse math pulled out of a place where sun does not shine.

Try hard next time - PP’s resident Fields medal winner!

And it’s not field marshal army medal, but Fields - the biggest maths award in the world .

You seem really angry, I have some vaseline for you

Regardless of other results, 5 wins against the top nations, away, is not a great look if we're comparing captains and talking about one being great because of "aggression"...what, is he hulk hogan? This is ridiculous. Kohli won because of superior tactics and the data shown he has not always been the superior captain. To make the comparison with a captain as new as Babar is plain stupid.

 

[mastimasti]

Atleast he has 5 wins but some teams haven't been able to draw a test match for decades in some countries and some teams keep losing to Windies if it's that easy to beat them in their own backyard.

Aren't you the one who were saying England didn't get enough match practice in their home conditions when they were struggling in the first test? You kept saying they would win all the remaining matches?.

Now you couldn't digest after seeing the yesterday's performance. Even burnols won't help.

I said it's likely India will lose the series, I still think so...but guess what? That's the majority opinion because winning in England for Asian teams is difficult, we have not won for 14 years. If India win it will be a great achievement.

But that is not what this thread is about, this thread is actually about comparing to captains in remarkably different stages of their careers.

It seems some so called fans on here get angry very quickly. Be honest, are you hired by BCCI?

 

[OMB]

I said it's likely India will lose the series, I still think so...but guess what? That's the majority opinion because winning in England for Asian teams is difficult, we have not won for 14 years. If India win it will be a great achievement.

But that is not what this thread is about, this thread is actually about comparing to captains in remarkably different stages of their careers.

It seems some so called fans on here get angry very quickly. Be honest, are you hired by BCCI?

Since 2000, Kohli W/L ratio is the the second highest with 2.46
Ponting is the highest with 3.00 and rest of the capatians are tottering in 1.2 to 2 range\

source : https://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/content/records/283746.html