The best bowling attack in the world?

[Usman Chadda]

india hurt aussie players more. dished out way not punishment and even retired 2 of them.

khawaja, harris, marsh were all top scorers in shield cricket. marnus was a fodder the year before. He was way below them.

The same batting line-up an inexperienced Pakistan ripped apart for 122 recently? Didn't see any justification for the Khawaja, Harris, Marsh etc then

 

[Indiafan]

Yeah and India are fortunate the teams who would fare better in those conditions (SL and Pak) either don't play in India are currently rebuilding.

Sri lanka hasn't won a single test match in india in their history but sure

 

[big_gamer007]

Yeah and India are fortunate the teams who would fare better in those conditions (SL and Pak) either don't play in India are currently rebuilding.

Lol @ SL. They don't win in India.

Pakistan had good chance when Misbah and YK were there and Ajmal, Hafeez could chuck. Traditionally Pakistan is the only team which has a good chance of winning in India, however, they are also lagging behind now.

 

[Aman]

Lol @ SL. They don't win in India.

Pakistan had good chance when Misbah and YK were there and Ajmal, Hafeez could chuck. Traditionally Pakistan is the only team which has a good chance of winning in India, however, they are also lagging behind now.

I'm not talking about results, I'm talking about Indian bowler's averages. They'd be worse if they were facing batsmen from SC teams who tend to play spin better than SENA. They are fortunate SC teams are either too weak currently or haven't played in India for years.

 

[Aman]

I'm not talking about results, I'm talking about Indian bowler's averages. They'd be worse if they were facing batsmen from SC teams who tend to play spin better than SENA. They are fortunate SC teams are either too weak currently or haven't played in India for years.

Spin, lower bounce and lack of pace*

 

[BreadPakoda]

I'm not talking about results, I'm talking about Indian bowler's averages. They'd be worse if they were facing batsmen from SC teams who tend to play spin better than SENA. They are fortunate SC teams are either too weak currently or haven't played in India for years.

And batsmen from subcontinent teams play pace worse than SENA. Have you even watched the Indian pace attack in the last few years?

 

[anoop]

In the last 53 test matches under Kohli Indian bowlers combined have averaged 25.74 which is superior to Lloyd's Windies attack average of 27.93
Richards Windies attack - 25.97
Waugh Australian attack- 27.45
Ponting Australian attack- 30.45
M Taylor Australian attack- 27.47
H cronje SA attack- 25.84

In wickets per test Indian bowling attack has taken 18 wickets per match which is on third after Waugh & ponting attack which took 18.1 wickets per match.

 

[Aman]

So you are saying, your batting is at no fault for the shellacking and Only because of good bowling they looked like deer caught in headlights and looked worse than Pakistan tailenders?

It was both, but I've never seen us struggle to get the ball of the square.

We batted better on the green tops we got when we toured in 2011.

 

[Aman]

In the last 53 test matches under Kohli Indian bowlers combined have averaged 25.74 which is superior to Lloyd's Windies attack average of 27.93
Richards Windies attack - 25.97
Waugh Australian attack- 27.45
Ponting Australian attack- 30.45
M Taylor Australian attack- 27.47
H cronje SA attack- 25.84

In wickets per test Indian bowling attack has taken 18 wickets per match which is on third after Waugh & ponting attack which took 18.1 wickets per match.

How many of those were on juiced up rank turners in India against clueless oppositon?

 

[Aman]

And batsmen from subcontinent teams play pace worse than SENA. Have you even watched the Indian pace attack in the last few years?

Only saw bit of it in the WC and was far from impressed. You did tour before the WC and your spinners looked good but they struggled in the WC.

Generally you're beating up on clueless teams at home, there's no fun in watching one sided games for neutrals.

 

[anoop]

How many of those were on juiced up rank turners in India against clueless oppositon?

Indian pacers easily outclassed SA pacers on same wickets.

 

[tyron_woodley]

Spin, lower bounce and lack of pace*

lol at lack of pace. Indian bowlers are fast and nasty. Stop living in the past.

 

[BreadPakoda]

Only saw bit of it in the WC and was far from impressed. You did tour before the WC and your spinners looked good but they struggled in the WC.

Generally you're beating up on clueless teams at home, there's no fun in watching one sided games for neutrals.

You are more clueless than the touring teams. A simple research on Indian pacers' returns, especially at home, would have helped in avoiding embarrassment for yourself.

In last 3 years, Indian pacers have the following averages in India:

Mohammad Shami: 19
Umesh Yadav: 19
Bhuvi: 21
Ishant Sharma: 25

Jadeja and Ashwin have averaged 22 and 25 respectively.

 

[tyron_woodley]

And batsmen from subcontinent teams play pace worse than SENA. Have you even watched the Indian pace attack in the last few years?

This Indian attack is the most balanced well rounded Asian attack of all Time. yes better than Wasim, Waqar and shoaib. They never dominated teams like this attack.

For the past 4 years no other all time great Asian attack comes close.

Truth is bitter.

If anything india’s Batting in second innings is pathetic. Bowling is easily the best if not top 2.

 

[Raja111]

How many of those were on juiced up rank turners in India against clueless oppositon?

Never knew Australia, England, South Africa were clueless opposition!
Stop being an ignorant, India is yet to prepare a rank turner since the 2017 pune test against Australia!.

 

[Aman]

Never knew Australia, England, South Africa were clueless opposition!
Stop being an ignorant, India is yet to prepare a rank turner since the 2017 pune test against Australia!.

In those conditions - they're just that.

 

[Aman]

lol at lack of pace. Indian bowlers are fast and nasty. Stop living in the past.

I was clearly talking about the pitches..

 

[Aman]

Oh man, I for one cannot wait to see the Aussies thrash India in the T20 WC, later this year in Tests and then the Test Championship.

Indian fans need this humbling, they've had a lot of those of late and yet here they are still talking as if they're the GOAT cricket nation.

You'd think they'd know better after the 2015 WC, CT Final and the humiliation of their top order in the 2019 WC SF.

 

[Nikhil_cric]

Everyone goes on about us struggling traditionally are only look at the stat sheets

We drew a series with Aus in 2011 and lost in 2015 0-2 with a drs howler from Nigel Llong hurting our chances of drawing that series 1-1.

This year they destroyed us.

You were destroyed in 2015-16. NZ don't have in them to beat Australia either home or away. Just don't have the pace or the batsmen to put Australia under any pressure.

 

[BreadPakoda]

Oh man, I for one cannot wait to see the Aussies thrash India in the T20 WC, later this year in Tests and then the Test Championship.

Indian fans need this humbling, they've had a lot of those of late and yet here they are still talking as if they're the GOAT cricket nation.

You'd think they'd know better after the 2015 WC, CT Final and the humiliation of their top order in the 2019 WC SF.

Just because you were proven to be an ignorant who was unaware of the facts and as usual shooting from his hip?

 

[Aman]

You were destroyed in 2015-16. NZ don't have in them to beat Australia either home or away. Just don't have the pace or the batsmen to put Australia under any pressure.

Well you obviously didn't watch the series.

First game we were beat well, the Perth Test was a draw with us in the ascendancy IIRC and the D/N Test was controversial because of a bad DRS decision giving Lyon a reprieve, allowing him to score vital runs and win the match for Aus.

 

[Aman]

Just because you were proven to be an ignorant who was unaware of the facts and as usual shooting from his hip?

Nah, it's just Indian fans are delusional of their ability. More so than any nation.

It's incredibly obnoxious.

 

[BreadPakoda]

[MENTION=132954]Aman[/MENTION]

Let me repeat if for you.

In last 3 years, Indian pacers have the following averages in India:

Mohammad Shami: 19
Umesh Yadav: 19
Bhuvi: 21
Ishant Sharma: 25

All bar Ishant have better average than the spin duo.

juiced up rank turners in India against clueless oppositon (read SA, Aus, England)

Be a man to accept you are clueless about both Indian pacers and pitches and avoid commenting on topics before gaining some knowledge. Thanks.

 

[tyron_woodley]

Oh man, I for one cannot wait to see the Aussies thrash India in the T20 WC, later this year in Tests and then the Test Championship.

Indian fans need this humbling, they've had a lot of those of late and yet here they are still talking as if they're the GOAT cricket nation.

You'd think they'd know better after the 2015 WC, CT Final and the humiliation of their top order in the 2019 WC SF.

**** the world cup. Test cricket is real cricket. **** the test cricket final. It's all about the number 1 ranking. one fluke win in a final means **** all. You have to win the league in test cricket.

don't worry btw india will win the 2023 world cup rofl. It's played in india. just like how the Australian fodders won in 2015 playing at home. English fodders fluked a win at home via some ridiculous rule.
n.z only won in a 2 day game rofl vs india. Anyway that doesn't even matter.

 

[Aman]

**** the world cup. Test cricket is real cricket. **** the test cricket final. It's all about the number 1 ranking. one fluke win in a final means **** all. You have to win the league in test cricket.

don't worry btw india will win the 2023 world cup rofl. It's played in india. just like how the Australian fodders won in 2015 playing at home. English fodders fluked a win at home via some ridiculous rule.
n.z only won in a 2 day game rofl vs india. Anyway that doesn't even matter.

Test cricket is real cricket?

Is that why half he teams don't want to play it?

 

[BreadPakoda]

Nah, it's just Indian fans are delusional of their ability. More so than any nation.

It's incredibly obnoxious.

Your problem has little to do with India/Indian fans. Its your reluctance to admit that you run your mouth wild without having adequate knowledge.

I've shared the stats with you.

 

[Aman]

Your problem is little to do with India/Indian fans. Its your reluctance to admit you run your mouth wild without having adequate knowledge.

I've shared the stats with you.

And as I've said, I'm not going to look at juiced up stats from Indian bowlers who have done nothing.

This is their year to prove they're the best, IMO they'll prove they're not and Aus will be back to #1 in the world. They have the making of a great Aus team.

 

[tyron_woodley]

Test cricket is real cricket?

Is that why half he teams don't want to play it?

No **** teams can't play test cricket because they suck. That's why they focus on odi and t20. Not good enough talent available.

 

[BreadPakoda]

And as I've said, I'm not going to look at juiced up stats from Indian bowlers who have done nothing.

This is their year to prove they're the best, IMO they'll prove they're not and Aus will be back to #1 in the world.

"Indian bowlers have done nothing" - hmm, bold statement.

How are the stats juiced up? Or are you shooting from your hip again?

 

[Aman]

No **** teams can't play test cricket because they suck. That's why they focus on odi and t20. Not good enough talent available.

No team wants to play it because they lose half a million dollars playing each match.

It's not rocket science as to why they don't want to play.

 

[Aman]

"Indian bowlers have done nothing" - hmm, bold statement.

How are the stats juiced up? Or are you shooting from your hip again?

Juiced up playing mediocre teams or feasting at home against hapless teams who are unable to adjust to conditions.

Do something away from home and prove it. They have their chances this year with tours to NZ and Aus (against a full strength side, not some Aus C team).

 

[tyron_woodley]

And as I've said, I'm not going to look at juiced up stats from Indian bowlers who have done nothing.

This is their year to prove they're the best, IMO they'll prove they're not and Aus will be back to #1 in the world. They have the making of a great Aus team.

this so called team will receive a phainta in india 4 0. They are Not a great team. india dominated for the past 4 years.

juiced up stats rofl. if anything these ***** from australia juiced up their stats by stat padding on Australian wickets. Can't wait till they get humble again rofl.

Nor to mention they are cheaters. That automatically negates whatever achievements they have obtained in the past.

all time great team rofl. with what? one 34 year old midget opener who is a bonfire flat track bully?
one overrated saffer who is yet to be tested?

3 clowns masquerading as test players. a joke of a captain.

and a bunch of overrated bowlers who specialize on doctored wickets? rofl yea. cool bro.

cummins
Smith

that's it. 2 top players.

 

[tyron_woodley]

No team wants to play it because they lose half a million dollars playing each match.

It's not rocket science as to why they don't want to play.

No they just don't have the talent pool to compete.

 

[Aman]

If India loses to NZ, Indian fans who said India have the best bowling attack in the world better not have the audacity to show up in this thread.

 

[tyron_woodley]

Juiced up playing mediocre teams or feasting at home against hapless teams who are unable to adjust to conditions.

Do something away from home and prove it. They have their chances this year with tours to NZ and Aus (against a full strength side, not some Aus C team).

that same C team would butcher every team in australia bar india. India also played 2 c grade openers.

 

[Aman]

No they just don't have the talent pool to compete.

NZC cut down their schedule despite being ranked #2 in the world.

You're saying other teams don't have the talent pool to compete, so you're effectively devaluing your #1 ranking and the format )

Test cricket is the worst of 3 atm with so many one sided and dull matches, there are two good teams and the rest range from ordinary to just there to make up the numbers and give the format credibility.

 

[BreadPakoda]

Juiced up playing mediocre teams or feasting at home against hapless teams who are unable to adjust to conditions.

So as per you Indian pacers have feasted on mediocre teams at home that why they have those stellar stats which are juiced up? The mediocre teams include Australia, SA, and England.

Which are the teams that can play Indian pacers better than these 3?

 

[Aman]

So as per you Indian pacers have feasted on mediocre teams at home that why they have those stellar stats which are juiced up? Which include Australia, SA, and England. Which are the teams that can play Indian pacers better than these?

All 3 are useless in those conditions.

This is the worst shape Test cricket has been in years.

It's not wonder we're probably only going to see a handful of ATG Test players from this generation.

 

[Aman]

There's an evident lack of quality as shown by our and Pakistan's performances in Aus.

 

[BreadPakoda]

All 3 are useless in those conditions.

This is the worst shape Test cricket has been in years.

It's not wonder we're probably only going to see a handful of ATG Test players from this generation.

So coming back to your point, Pakistan and Sri Lanka can show India its place, right? Can these two teams survive against Indian pacers when SENA teams couldn't?

Oh, leave it. Feel like talking to a polar bear. Good night.

 

[tyron_woodley]

If India loses to NZ, Indian fans who said India have the best bowling attack in the world better not have the audacity to show up in this thread.

toss would matter. Indian batsmen could fail and yet the bowlers conversely can perform well too you know??

 

[tyron_woodley]

NZC cut down their schedule despite being ranked #2 in the world.

You're saying other teams don't have the talent pool to compete, so you're effectively devaluing your #1 ranking and the format )

Test cricket is the worst of 3 atm with so many one sided and dull matches, there are two good teams and the rest range from ordinary to just there to make up the numbers and give the format credibility.

No devaluing my team. Other teams just can't compete because india and australia make other teams look worse than they are.

test cricket is literally at its peak now. Most teams are good at home unlike in the past.

 

[Aman]

So coming back to your point, Pakistan and Sri Lanka can show India its place, right? Can these two teams survive against Indian pacers when SENA teams couldn't?

Oh, leave it. Feel like talking to a polar bear. Good night.

I clearly said their stats were better than they would be if they played Pakistan at home or a decent SL team (they aren't in good shape). India are fortunate that they don't have to play Pakistan at home or a decent SL team as those teams are generally best equipped to play in those conditions. I was not talking about the result, I was referring to the impact that players who can play in those conditiosn would have on the bowlers averages - this thread is about the best bowlers.. and people are using them to justify India are the best.

Whereas Aus have teams like SA and NZ who should play in those conditions better, except they hammered us.. SA beat them last time there, but those were two different teams. This time around I can't see SA winning.

 

[Raja111]

Juiced up playing mediocre teams or feasting at home against hapless teams who are unable to adjust to conditions.

Do something away from home and prove it. They have their chances this year with tours to NZ and Aus (against a full strength side, not some Aus C team).

The same can be said about Australia feasting at home against hapless teams who are unable to adjust to the conditions?

If England, Australia, South Africa are mediocre in indian conditions, then what teams should india play to prove themselves in these conditions?

Didn't indian bowlers outperform both SA and Eng in their own backyard last time?

 

[tyron_woodley]

india
australia
England

all 3 are good teams. the top 2 being the best.

saffers are still a solid team. They are getting better as many young guns are starting to come through.

n.z is always strong at home except vs australia because australia is familiar with SENA conditions.

pakistan is rebuilding and are always strong at home too. They are good in swing friendly conditions. Traditionally they have been terrible on bouncy tracks hence they lose to saffers and australia on a consistent basis. They can still upset n.z



test cricket is better than ever. unlike the 80s where there was literally one good team and a bunch of nobodies. india was weak. n.z was weak. Sri Lanka was weak. australia was decent until The end of 90s where they truly started to dominate albeit in a very weak era where many test matches weren't even scheduled.

2000-2010 was a good era due to a lot of batting friendly wickets hence we saw more even games. Now each team tailors their pitches to suit the home team.

No longer is it easy to win away.

 

[Aman]

No devaluing my team. Other teams just can't compete because india and australia make other teams look worse than they are.

test cricket is literally at its peak now. Most teams are good at home unlike in the past.

You know I'm right.

SL have fallen, idk if they even care about Test cricket or cricket in general, think the country may have lost interest in the sport.

WI don't care whatsoever about Test cricket and are more interested in LOIS.

England are rebuilding, SA are rebuilding, NZ are in decline and then there's Bangladesh who is just there. Which only leaves Aus and India.

 

[tyron_woodley]

I clearly said their stats were better than they would be if they played Pakistan at home or a decent SL team (they aren't in good shape). India are fortunate that they don't have to play Pakistan at home or a decent SL team as those teams are generally best equipped to play in those conditions. I was not talking about the result, I was referring to the impact that players who can play in those conditiosn would have on the bowlers averages - this thread is about the best bowlers.. and people are using them to justify India are the best.

Whereas Aus have teams like SA and NZ who should play in those conditions better, except they hammered us.. SA beat them last time there, but those were two different teams. This time around I can't see SA winning.

india don't prepare rank turners since 2016. virat is not dhoni. dhoni liked to dominate with spinners. Not V-rat

 

[tyron_woodley]

The same can be said about Australia feasting at home against hapless teams who are unable to adjust to the conditions?

If England, Australia, South Africa are mediocre in indian conditions, then what teams should india play to prove themselves in these conditions?

Didn't indian bowlers outperform both SA and Eng in their own backyard last time?

Australia are the real kings of doctoring pitches. Their dominance in the past was solely based on doctoring home pitches.

 

[tyron_woodley]

You know I'm right.

SL have fallen, idk if they even care about Test cricket or cricket in general, think the country may have lost interest in the sport.

WI don't care whatsoever about Test cricket and are more interested in LOIS.

England are rebuilding, SA are rebuilding, NZ are in decline and then there's Bangladesh who is just there. Which only leaves Aus and India.

dude all those teams are still great at home.

 

[Aman]

dude all those teams are still great at home.

Being lions at home doesn't make you a good team when you're pathetic away - something which England and NZ are.

 

[Aman]

Honestly though, is cricket even popular in SL anymore. It feels like they're moving to other sports and there's a lack of talent coming through for a country that use to be cricket mad.

Is it because of the performances of the team?

It genuinely feels like SL's have lost interest in the sport.

 

[Aman]

When India have been crushed in the fashion, they'll understand why I'm praising this Aus team so much.

No team has made me feel that we're so far off the pace than Aus did this series, and we've suffered bigger losses on other tours before.

This was something else, these conditions weren't that difficult- it's just the bowlers were relentless and every run was difficult to score in large parts. It felt like at times our batsmen were so far out of their depth and would struggle to get the ball off the square.

 

[tyron_woodley]

When India have been crushed in the fashion, they'll understand why I'm praising this Aus team so much.

No team has made me feel that we're so far off the pace than Aus did this series, and we've suffered bigger losses on other tours before.

This was something else, these conditions weren't that difficult- it's just the bowlers were relentless and every run was difficult to score in large parts. It felt like at times our batsmen were so far out of their depth and would struggle to get the ball off the square.

but india smashed the very same attack in the last series?

india will win if they win the toss.
australia will win if they win the toss

Australia would win only because of smith not because of their bowlers' ability I.e if they win in the first place.

 

[Sin Nombre]

Don't need stats when your eyes tell the full story.

If you watched the Pakistan and NZ tour of Aus, you wouldn't even bother opening your mouth.

The Aussies are so far ahead of the Indian bowlers it isn't funny.

You are insecure about your heritage, give it a rest.

Stats, ratings, results - everything tells the same story.

 

[Aman]

You are insecure about your heritage, give it a rest.

Stats, ratings, results - everything tells the same story.

Yes, you rely on the stats, ratings, resuts etc. you'll have those to cling to when Aus has the world number 1 ranking and WTC.

 

[tyron_woodley]

Yes, you rely on the stats, ratings, resuts etc. you'll have those to cling to when Aus has the world number 1 ranking and WTC.

won't happen when they tour india though so eventually they will pass it back rofl. That is if they win it in the first place.

australia are favourites to beat india in australia. no doubt. But don't be so sure though. if they lose the tosses then australia will be looking at a 3rd straight series loss to india.

if there is any team capabale of pushing australia and perhaps beating them it would be india.

 

[Aman]

won't happen when they tour india though so eventually they will pass it back rofl. That is if they win it in the first place.

australia are favourites to beat india in australia. no doubt. But don't be so sure though. if they lose the tosses then australia will be looking at a 3rd straight series loss to india.

if there is any team capabale of pushing australia and perhaps beating them it would be india.

Even you must realize you're likely going into the WTC Final as underdogs.

 

[Mesozoic]

Indian bowlers performed on par with the SENA bowlers in our last overseas cycle. It was our batsmen who blowed it up.

Australian bowlers couldn't perform on par with the SL, Pak and heck even Ban bowlers let alone India. End of discussion.

India has the best all condition Test bowling attack in the world. "All condition" is the key word here.

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

won't happen when they tour india though so eventually they will pass it back rofl. That is if they win it in the first place.

australia are favourites to beat india in australia. no doubt. But don't be so sure though. if they lose the tosses then australia will be looking at a 3rd straight series loss to india.

if there is any team capabale of pushing australia and perhaps beating them it would be india.

Its not going to be easy against a full strength Australian team.

 

[tyron_woodley]

Even you must realize you're likely going into the WTC Final as underdogs.

in England hahahha vs australia? no.
in australia yes.

in India **** no. india would obliterate australia in india and anywhere else barring australia and maybe in south africa.

dude you don't realize it but kohlinis undefeated when he wins the toss.
australia have to pray they win the toss.

 

[tyron_woodley]

Its not going to be easy against a full strength Australian team.

full strength, half strength won't matter. kohli is undefeated when he wins the toss. australia has to win the toss to beat india in australia.

india don't need to win the toss to smash australia in india. That's the difference.

 

[jnaveen1980]

I'm not talking about results, I'm talking about Indian bowler's averages. They'd be worse if they were facing batsmen from SC teams who tend to play spin better than SENA. They are fortunate SC teams are either too weak currently or haven't played in India for years.

You have completely ignored the latest trend. It is India's fast bowling that dominates at home these days not spin.

 

[jnaveen1980]

When India have been crushed in the fashion, they'll understand why I'm praising this Aus team so much.

No team has made me feel that we're so far off the pace than Aus did this series, and we've suffered bigger losses on other tours before.

This was something else, these conditions weren't that difficult- it's just the bowlers were relentless and every run was difficult to score in large parts. It felt like at times our batsmen were so far out of their depth and would struggle to get the ball off the square.

"relentless" the world you keep using. I also used during the India series. Pujara put on a master class with 3 centuries against the same "relentless" attack. Hazlewood even in frustration asked

Cheteshwar Pujara, not Virat Kohli, the bigger wicket: Josh Hazlewood

Are you not bored yet - Nathan Lyon to pujara

Need to bat like Pujara, Kohli in second innings: Cummins

Australian bowlers resigned themselves to fate after witnessing the incredible stonewalling of Pujara. He lasted 1258 deliveries in the 4 test series.

Why do you think the same "something else attack" couldn't get Yasir shah out?

Why do you think the same attack couldn't prize out England's no.11

You are not giving me any technical analysis. You are merely concluding based on your players inability to get the ball off the square. You are comparing your own players forgetting the form factor and lot of other things. Their most recent form suggests they are a decent unit for like 40 overs. Once the ball gets older against good batting they struggled to do anything with the ball. They just rely on Starc to clean up the tail.

This is a very very good attack. But on form Indian attack trumps them as Indians can move the ball prodigiously. Australian seam position is utterly horrible. Probably hazlewood has good one. But every single Indian bowler had such perfect seam position. They could move the ball in the air and off the pitch. Kookaburra is an unfamiliar ball. But they did more with the ball than Aussies.

 

[Buffet]

How many of those were on juiced up rank turners in India against clueless oppositon?

Bowling average away in the lst 5 years:



It's ok to sometime give credit when it's due.

 

[barah_admi]

Last 4 year's all these bowlers have had averages of under 25. Even vs the so called other top teams. It is a brilliant pace battery. I can do the same for waqar. career average of 40 vs india and 45 vs australia.

I can do the same for hazelwood who is mediocre outside australia. Same for starc.

india have the best bowling attack. period. They are getting older. Only age will stop them at this point. They still have atleast 2 years in them to be a top bowling attack until the young guns get drafted in.

ishant used to average 42. He now averages 31. Last 4 year's he shown tremendous improvement. Players CAN IMPROVE YOU KNOW?

player reach their peaks and prime levels at different stages. ishant prior to 2015 is not the same ishant 2.0 He is now.

bumrah is a generational talent. Only injuries can stop this guy. He will wreak havoc if he stays fit.

shami is a world class elite bowler of the highest order. Even he had a bad start, other wise his average would be under 25. Post 2015 he is a different shami. Shami was in his prime from 2015 till date. Prior to that he struggled through injuries.

Look, I have already disputed your claims that Sharma has had some sort of renaissance where you went and changed the timeline, 4 years is meaningless because you can use any timeline, at any point, to find the numbers you want. Pakistan had the best bowling average of 2018 if I am not mistaken.

We have to look at pre-set standards of time, either a season, a year or a decade. As the last decade has recently finished, I am looking at that. If you want to look at it season by season, go for it. 4 years is an arbitrary figure created by you to further your agenda.

 

[Buffet]

Look, I have already disputed your claims that Sharma has had some sort of renaissance where you went and changed the timeline, 4 years is meaningless because you can use any timeline, at any point, to find the numbers you want. Pakistan had the best bowling average of 2018 if I am not mistaken.

We have to look at pre-set standards of time, either a season, a year or a decade. As the last decade has recently finished, I am looking at that. If you want to look at it season by season, go for it. 4 years is an arbitrary figure created by you to further your agenda.

It was SA.

 

[jnaveen1980]

https://www.indiatoday.in/sports/cr...ustralia-captain-tim-paine-1425264-2019-01-07


Indian bowling attack best in the world, says Australia captain Tim Paine

There is nothing bad happened for Indian bowling since that statement made by Tim Paine last year. If anything Indian bowling got stronger. The word "relentless" is used by Tim paine as well

 

[jnaveen1980]

Look, I have already disputed your claims that Sharma has had some sort of renaissance where you went and changed the timeline, 4 years is meaningless because you can use any timeline, at any point, to find the numbers you want. Pakistan had the best bowling average of 2018 if I am not mistaken.

We have to look at pre-set standards of time, either a season, a year or a decade. As the last decade has recently finished, I am looking at that. If you want to look at it season by season, go for it. 4 years is an arbitrary figure created by you to further your agenda.

SA, India then Pakistan

 

[sharmaji]

Currently it is Australia. India not far too behind.

 

[jnaveen1980]

In the last 2 years this how the bowling match up was in Australia. Apart from the Hadlee days and South African visits it is not often you see any team outbowling Australia in Australia. The difference is too big not to notice.

Australia vs Pakistan

Australia 27.64
Pakistan 88.69

Australia vs New zealand

Austraia 19.26
New Zealand 41.82

Australia vs Srilanka

Australia 16.21
Srilanka 57.05

Australia vs India

Austraia 33.59
India 25.00

 

[andy0204]

In the last 2 years this how the bowling match up was in Australia. Apart from the Hadlee days and South African visits it is not often you see any team outbowling Australia in Australia. The difference is too big not to notice.

Australia vs Pakistan

Australia 27.64
Pakistan 88.69

Australia vs New zealand

Austraia 19.26
New Zealand 41.82

Australia vs Srilanka

Australia 16.21
Srilanka 57.05

Australia vs India

Austraia 33.59
India 25.00

Ashes 2017?

 

[jnaveen1980]

Ashes 2017?

I just used 2 year window. England didn't show up.

 

[jnaveen1980]

Ashes 2017?

For what its worth

In 2017

Australia 28.91
England 53.34

 

[andy0204]

For what its worth

In 2017

Australia 28.91
England 53.34

So England is in the bunny list just like NZ,Pak,Lanka whenever they toured Australia.

 

[Nikhil_cric]

Well you obviously didn't watch the series.

First game we were beat well, the Perth Test was a draw with us in the ascendancy IIRC and the D/N Test was controversial because of a bad DRS decision giving Lyon a reprieve, allowing him to score vital runs and win the match for Aus.

I watched that series, Aman and NZ 's exceptionally weak bowling attack got exposed in Australia as usual . Distinctly remember you blaming the flat wickets for your bowlers' ineffectiveness as well when the OZ quicks we're finding purchase on the same pitches lol. FWIW, I don't think we have the best pace attack for all conditions. But we do have the second fastest pace attack in tests after the Aussies and that's good enough.

 

[Aman]

I watched that series, Aman and NZ 's exceptionally weak bowling attack got exposed in Australia as usual . Distinctly remember you blaming the flat wickets for your bowlers' ineffectiveness as well when the OZ quicks we're finding purchase on the same pitches lol. FWIW, I don't think we have the best pace attack for all conditions. But we do have the second fastest pace attack in tests after the Aussies and that's good enough.

Yes, the wickets were flat. We struggled ot pick up wickets outside the D/N Test.

Perth was a terrible Test wicket with both teams struggling to take wickets, the Gabba was flat but we weren't ready for that Test and were beaten comfortably.

 

[tyron_woodley]

I watched that series, Aman and NZ 's exceptionally weak bowling attack got exposed in Australia as usual . Distinctly remember you blaming the flat wickets for your bowlers' ineffectiveness as well when the OZ quicks we're finding purchase on the same pitches lol. FWIW, I don't think we have the best pace attack for all conditions. But we do have the second fastest pace attack in tests after the Aussies and that's good enough.

we do have the best attack for most conditions so that makes India's attacknthe best most complete well balanced attack.

if anything Australian batting is better than India's in australia specifically.

Australia's batting is the best in Australian conditions. Thats why they are harder to beat in australia especially due to that one man. Steve smith. Add warner flst track bully as well.

any bowler facing him will struggle in Australian conditions.

 

[tyron_woodley]

Look, I have already disputed your claims that Sharma has had some sort of renaissance where you went and changed the timeline, 4 years is meaningless because you can use any timeline, at any point, to find the numbers you want. Pakistan had the best bowling average of 2018 if I am not mistaken.

We have to look at pre-set standards of time, either a season, a year or a decade. As the last decade has recently finished, I am looking at that. If you want to look at it season by season, go for it. 4 years is an arbitrary figure created by you to further your agenda.

sharma averaged 45 prior to 2014. post 2015 he averages 30/31. He played vs all top teams. He is a good bowler.

 

[Revolution]

In death overs, Bumrah and Natarajan will be best pair for T20s.
Both are IPL products.
Can keep hopes on Nattu.

 

[UzmanBeast]

India and Australia both have good bowling attacks. The bowling will be of high quality, but the batting does have a few questions for both teams.

Australia's top order, if David Warner plays, will have their second opener being the weakest link. Until 4, they have a very good middle order. After that is where India could be looking to ask questions. Their middle order of Paine, Travis Head, and whoever else they play is probably going to be weak against the Indian bowlers.

Australia on the other hand will be glowing with the fact that Virat Kohli will leave after the 1st test match. India's top order apart from Agarwal is where Australia should look to focus their energy. Pujara's wicket is the game changer for Australia, because if they take him out, they can poke a hole into a mixed up middle order after Kohli's absence.