"The comments from Imran Khan were very disparaging against the players" : Colin Graves (ECB Chief)

[Abdul]

"The comments from Imran Khan were very disparaging against the players" : Colin Graves (ECB Chief)

"The comments from Imran Khan were very disparaging against the players."

"Darren Sammy's just won the Twenty20 World Cup as West Indies captain and David Malan is on the verge of England teams."

"David Malan is a big part of playing future for England."

"It is totally wrong to disrespect them. Imran Khan should know better."

"I think in world cricket everyone's pleased that the final took place in Lahore. I'm very happy that it went ahead without any problems and the security in Lahore was superb."

"We never force England players to go somewhere if they don't want to. Some players decided not to go to Bangladesh earlier this year and it was their decision, we totally respect it."

"We (England) have been one of the biggest supporters of Pakistan over the years and we still are."

"We all want to see Pakistan playing in front of their crowd but we also have to take security issues into consideration."

 

[MenInG]

Imran really needs to explain those remarks to all concerned

 

[BA56]

What's there to explain? Quetta fielded crappy foreign players. In other words phateechar foreign players. We all said it. But when Imran Khan says it, it's a big political debate. I had to look up all those players Quetta played. We all know Zalmi came in with their full contingent.

The politicking of a simple statement that we all thought is ridiculous.

 

[fasihulhaq94]

yes the entire world is in the wrong here- pti fans

 

[Indiafan]

What's there to explain? Quetta fielded crappy foreign players. In other words phateechar foreign players. We all said it. But when Imran Khan says it, it's a big political debate. I had to look up all those players Quetta played. We all know Zalmi came in with their full contingent.

The politicking of a simple statement that we all thought is ridiculous.

Except that is not what Imran said at all. And how is ECB chief saying something political? You can call everyone Nooras and whatever, but is ECB chief a Noora too? In the end those players who came were still Pakistan's guests

 

[Varun]

Just listen to this PML-N supporter Colin Graves.

A total Noora through and through.

 

[Red Devil]

What's there to explain? Quetta fielded crappy foreign players. In other words phateechar foreign players. We all said it. But when Imran Khan says it, it's a big political debate. I had to look up all those players Quetta played. We all know Zalmi came in with their full contingent.

The politicking of a simple statement that we all thought is ridiculous.

Why can't PTI fans just admit that what he said was wrong? He's just a human, he can make mistakes too. No need to blindly defend everything.

 

[Rafay Shafiq]

Imran really needs to explain those remarks to all concerned

No need to explain..ask Quetta Gladiator management...they are agreed with It by heart...though don't have courage to said it openly

 

[Slog]

Why can't PTI fans just admit that what he said was wrong? He's just a human, he can make mistakes too. No need to blindly defend everything.

Yes Messrs Van Wyk, Anamul Haq, Emirit and Van Wyk are all world class players we don't know about

Also... Can anyone explain to the dunces here what Railoo Katta and phateechar mean in a cricketing context?

 

[Red Devil]

Yes Messrs Van Wyk, Anamul Haq, Emirit and Van Wyk are all world class players we don't know about

Also... Can anyone explain to the dunces here what Railoo Katta and phateechar mean in a cricketing context?

No one's denying that these players are pretty ordinary. But it was disrespectful to insult them, if anything we should be thanking them for vising us when we needed them. It was totally uncalled for. Can't believe I'm having to spell this out for you.

I'm a PTI supporter myself but it gets frustrating when people start defending IK blindly. Nobody should be above criticism.

 

[JibranAnsari]

Imran Khan has become blind in politics , why cant he just keep himself limited to the feud with nawaz league. He should apologize to the players he has disrespected

 

[Slog]

No one's denying that these players are pretty ordinary. But it was disrespectful to insult them, if anything we should be thanking them for vising us when we needed them. It was totally uncalled for. Can't believe I'm having to spell this out for you.

I'm a PTI supporter myself but it gets frustrating when people start defending IK blindly. Nobody should be above criticism.

Actually you would see many people are denying that they are ordinary and putting up a strawman such as Darren Sammy.

Yes he was disrespectful but not in the sense as is being projected in the media and that is because of one of 2 reasons:

1) Perhaps the media doesnt know what these words mean in a cricketing context
2) They just want to go against IK for a minor thing.

The facts are that the Quetta foreign players were ordinary and the cricket on display in the final was pedestrian and reminiscent of grade cricket.

The major issue is that there is so much media spotlight on these remarks due to the political allegiance of the folks who are most critical which is ironic because the dunces leading this charge are doing so on the grounds that IK is mixing sports with politics.

Javed Miandad and some other ex cricketers said the same thing about the quality of these players and also clarified what it means from a cricketing context and basically echoed Imran Khan. Yet theres no hullabaloo about his comments which is very interesting. If the reason why Imran Khan was in the line of fire wasn't due to his politics but was infact genuine then Javed and others would have seen the same criticism

The simple conclusion is that Imran Khan is known to not be politically correct at times but doesn't go after sisters and mothers of people unlike his political rivals. What Imran said was definitely not the most diplomatic thing but it was also the truth. And yes this final didnt achieve much. Reading Malan's description makes it seem like he stepped into a war zone.

 

[Slog]

Imran Khan has become blind in politics , why cant he just keep himself limited to the feud with nawaz league. He should apologize to the players he has disrespected

He'll first have to learn what their names are

 

[Mamoon]

Yes Messrs Van Wyk, Anamul Haq, Emirit and Van Wyk are all world class players we don't know about

Also... Can anyone explain to the dunces here what Railoo Katta and phateechar mean in a cricketing context?

I don't see anyone arguing that they are top class players. Imran only said what most of us thought (and said) about those players, but the difference is that he is a national leader with millions of followers, and anything he says is circulated on the media.

Unfortunately, it has always been a problem for him. He has no control on his mouth and is a master of shooting from the hip, which gets him into hot water. Instead of accepting that his comments were inappropriate, his supporters end up applying context to his statements to defend him. Same is the case here, for someone in his position, his statement was extremely poor and it is not defendable, regardless of the fact that his statement was intrinsically right.

 

[Slog]

I don't see anyone arguing that they are top class players. Imran only said what most of us thought (and said) about those players, but the difference is that he is a national leader with millions of followers, and anything he says is circulated on the media.

Unfortunately, it has always been a problem for him. He has no control on his mouth and is a master of shooting from the hip, which gets him into hot water. Instead of accepting that his comments were inappropriate, his supporters end up applying context to his statements to defend him. Same is the case here, for someone in his position, his statement was extremely poor and it is not defendable, regardless of the fact that his statement was intrinsically right.

Well that is probably true across all spectrums and that will never change. But there certainly are degrees and even if you believe that this is zabardasti ki justification it ranks very low on the scale.

For eg you defending Javed Latif's comments about someone's sisters and then blatantly lying that such comments are commonplace in our politics when they clearly aren't. As if that would have made it acceptable even if they were.

 

[Mamoon]

Why can't PTI fans just admit that what he said was wrong? He's just a human, he can make mistakes too. No need to blindly defend everything.

It's the cult mentality, and unfortunately majority of the PTI supporters fall into this category. For them, he is a messiah sent from the heavens who is above law & order and more than that, free from any faults and mistakes. They foam in their mouths when he is rightfully criticized, and would be prostrating to him if our religion allowed. In their minds, he is almost a divine figure.

 

[Mamoon]

Well that is probably true across all spectrums and that will never change. But there certainly are degrees and even if you believe that this is zabardasti ki justification it ranks very low on the scale.

For eg you defending Javed Latif's comments about someone's sisters and then blatantly lying that such comments are commonplace in our politics when they clearly aren't. As if that would have made it acceptable even if they were.

I didn't defend his comments, I clearly said multiple time that his comments were pathetic. My only issue was how the fake degree holder was being portrayed as a Saint in the whole saga, even though his poor behavior has been well documented in the past, and he got physical with Latif before he made those comments. The bottom line is that both were wrong, perhaps Latif more so, but the fake degree holder was not victimized as some were insisting.

 

[Red Devil]

Actually you would see many people are denying that they are ordinary and putting up a strawman such as Darren Sammy.

Yes he was disrespectful but not in the sense as is being projected in the media and that is because of one of 2 reasons:

1) Perhaps the media doesnt know what these words mean in a cricketing context
2) They just want to go against IK for a minor thing.

The facts are that the Quetta foreign players were ordinary and the cricket on display in the final was pedestrian and reminiscent of grade cricket.

The major issue is that there is so much media spotlight on these remarks due to the political allegiance of the folks who are most critical which is ironic because the dunces leading this charge are doing so on the grounds that IK is mixing sports with politics.

Javed Miandad and some other ex cricketers said the same thing about the quality of these players and also clarified what it means from a cricketing context and basically echoed Imran Khan. Yet theres no hullabaloo about his comments which is very interesting. If the reason why Imran Khan was in the line of fire wasn't due to his politics but was infact genuine then Javed and others would have seen the same criticism

The simple conclusion is that Imran Khan is known to not be politically correct at times but doesn't go after sisters and mothers of people unlike his political rivals. What Imran said was definitely not the most diplomatic thing but it was also the truth. And yes this final didnt achieve much. Reading Malan's description makes it seem like he stepped into a war zone.

Agree with everything you said about the media, it wasn't as big an issue as it's being made out to be. At least you're admitting he was disrespectful. Only gets annoying when people start defending his comments and try to justify them.

 

[Slog]

I didn't defend his comments, I clearly said multiple time that his comments were pathetic. My only issue was how the fake degree holder was being portrayed as a Saint in the whole saga, even though his poor behavior has been well documented in the past, and he got physical with Latif before he made those comments. The bottom line is that both were wrong, perhaps Latif more so, but the fake degree holder was not victimized as some were insisting.

Again blatant disregard for truth here and peddling fiction to make a point. Javed Latif was the one who got physical first but ofcourse you would conveniently disregard that.

Let me lay down the timeline of events and has been corrobarated by people on both sides.

1. In parliament, Javed Latif and other PML-N leaders call Imran Khan ghaddar and pagal among others

2. PTI and PPP members among others walk out from National Assembly due to these remarks and the fact that PTI members werent allowed to speak. So the session is called off.

3. Murad Saeed and PTI members approach PML-N goons including Javed Latif to confront them about the remarks.

4. Javed Latif calls Murad Saeed something (that is inaudible so we don't know) and then slaps Murad Saeed.

5. Murad Saeed responds by losing control and attempts to throw a punch as he is restrained by PTI members.

6. Javed Latif goes immediately to the press outside and says despicable things about Murad Saeed's sisters

Pathetic that you would make up stories and ignore facts to give the story a spin which suits your argument. The fact that you are trying to muddy the waters here regarding what happened and making a false equivalence really tells everything...

 

[Slog]

^^


PS: You also said Latif's comments were commonplace which they clearly aren't and this was your first pathetic attempt at a strawman trying to justify his actions

 

[Hamza_]

PTI's supporters will back Imran Khan by pin pointing wrong statements made by others or even general public. If this is the case then what is the difference between them and their inqlaabi leader?

 

[Mamoon]

^ That is the Junooni version of events. The fake degree holder laid his hands on Latif first, before he he said anything about his sisters. He was completely wrong there, hence there is no need of painting him as a victim.

 

[Slog]

PTI's supporters will back Imran Khan by pin pointing wrong statements made by others or even general public. If this is the case then what is the difference between them and their inqlaabi leader?

awww. cry me a river...

no one is pinpointing anyone's statements. All that is done is point out certain posters' blatant hypocrisy

 

[Mamoon]

^^


PS: You also said Latif's comments were commonplace which they clearly aren't and this was your first pathetic attempt at a strawman trying to justify his actions

Personal attacks in the parliament are common. Most of them don't make it to the media.

 

[Saj]

The fact is Imran said what most of us think. The PSL final was devalued but saying that fact hurts the likes of Sethi so it's been made into some sort of huge statement.

The reality is that the PSL organisers messed up in their quest to ensure foreign players came to Pakistan.

 

[Pete Rose]

The fact is Imran said what most of us think. The PSL final was devalued but saying that fact hurts the likes of Sethi so it's been made into some sort of huge statement.

The reality is that the PSL organisers messed up in their quest to ensure foreign players came to Pakistan.

True doesnot make right. and it was pretty stupid of imran 

 

[MenInG]

No need for general political discussions here