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The END of the Man United era and Sir Alex Ferguson

No1 has bumped this thread in a while but guess its a good day to do so.

United have been poor in Europe but domestically they are in better form then last season and that without their best player and the worlds best CB Vidic.
It will be a huge think to win this title without Vidic.

And to the thread starter you look so daft.
 
United can win the title but that's due to the Prem full of sides being technically weak.

If United wan't to progress in Europe then they will need new CM's as the current ones have been exposed in Europe vs Bilbao and others.

Vidic is not the best CB in the world, I prefer Kompany but to win the title without Vidic is not a major achievement, He is an influential player but City have been missing Tevez for the whole season along with Toure's out due to the ACON so it all balances out in the end, Tottenham have been missing Dawson and Huddlestone for most of the season.
 
PakFan2010 said:
United can win the title but that's due to the Prem full of sides being technically weak.

If United wan't to progress in Europe then they will need new CM's as the current ones have been exposed in Europe vs Bilbao and others.

Vidic is not the best CB in the world, I prefer Kompany but to win the title without Vidic is not a major achievement, He is an influential player but City have been missing Tevez for the whole season along with Toure's out due to the ACON so it all balances out in the end, Tottenham have been missing Dawson and Huddlestone for most of the season.
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Not really since Dawson is average and Huddlestone would not be picked ahead of Parker
 
PakFan2010 said:
United can win the title but that's due to the Prem full of sides being technically weak.

If United wan't to progress in Europe then they will need new CM's as the current ones have been exposed in Europe vs Bilbao and others.

Vidic is not the best CB in the world, I prefer Kompany but to win the title without Vidic is not a major achievement, He is an influential player but City have been missing Tevez for the whole season along with Toure's out due to the ACON so it all balances out in the end, Tottenham have been missing Dawson and Huddlestone for most of the season.
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Sometimes I seriously doubt that you watch football. You have been saying that United dont have a good enough squad for months now, so surely in YOUR eyes it would be an achievement to win the title with a squad that doesnt have Modric, Bale, Lennon, Dawson, King, who else do you have who is the best in the world? Oh yeaah Defoee!
 
PakFan2010 said:
Dawson is one of the best CB's in the prem and Huddlestone's passing is sensational.
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If that is true (I don't agree with it) then it says a lot about the state of CB's in the Premiership

I never commented on Huddlestone's passing, you just added that in like a crafty politician

So who would Dawson and Huddleston replace in the Spurs side? Please try to answer it simply i.e just provide 2 names
 
PakFan2010 said:
United can win the title but that's due to the Prem full of sides being technically weak.

If United wan't to progress in Europe then they will need new CM's as the current ones have been exposed in Europe vs Bilbao and others.

Vidic is not the best CB in the world, I prefer Kompany but to win the title without Vidic is not a major achievement, He is an influential player but City have been missing Tevez for the whole season along with Toure's out due to the ACON so it all balances out in the end, Tottenham have been missing Dawson and Huddlestone for most of the season.
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You are AMAZING... You should start a football stand up comedy show but give your honest opinions... THE CROWD WILL DIE WITH LAUGHTER.
 
Is this Pak fan Jason Cundy in disguise?

Back in November he stated on sports bar that 8 spurs players would get into this Man Utd team and how spurs will be the main challengers to city this season. I phoned up and said to him that he was talking rubbish and I will ring him back when Utd are top and spurs are fighting for 4th come end of march. Can't wait for him to come on air this week.
 
saeed-sohail said:
Is this Pak fan Jason Cundy in disguise?

Back in November he stated on sports bar that 8 spurs players would get into this Man Utd team and how spurs will be the main challengers to city this season. I phoned up and said to him that he was talking rubbish and I will ring him back when Utd are top and spurs are fighting for 4th come end of march. Can't wait for him to come on air this week.
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I vaguely remember that call, I agreed with him in a combined Man-U/Spurs XI, Spurs would contribute most of the players

I think I even remember a Man-U fan calling, was you the guy that said Richards has only played a few games?
 
PakFan2010 said:
United can win the title but that's due to the Prem full of sides being technically weak.

If United wan't to progress in Europe then they will need new CM's as the current ones have been exposed in Europe vs Bilbao and others.

Vidic is not the best CB in the world, I prefer Kompany but to win the title without Vidic is not a major achievement, He is an influential player but City have been missing Tevez for the whole season along with Toure's out due to the ACON so it all balances out in the end, Tottenham have been missing Dawson and Huddlestone for most of the season.
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Haven't exactly been 'missing' him, City have scored plenty of goals this season.
 
Geordie Ahmed said:
I vaguely remember that call, I agreed with him in a combined Man-U/Spurs XI, Spurs would contribute most of the players

I think I even remember a Man-U fan calling, was you the guy that said Richards has only played a few games?
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Yes that probably was my call. We went from one to eleven and discussed a combined eleven. It was walker that I said did not play enough games at the time to say how good a player he was. I also remember saying to him that bale was overrated and I would take our wingers Nani Valencia and young over bale and Lennon any day.
 
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saeed-sohail said:
Yes that probably was my call. We went from one to eleven and discussed a combined eleven. It was walker that I said did not play enough games at the time to say how good a player he was. I also remember saying to him that bale was overrated and I would take our wingers Nani Valencia and young over bale and Lennon any day.
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Yes I meant Walker, I do remember that call, for what it's worth I disagreed with you .yk

However I do agree that Jason Cundy is a numpty
 
Mine would be:

------------------De Gea-------------------
Walker-----Vidic-----Ferdinand-----BAE
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------------Modric----Parker---------------
Valencia-------------------------------Bale
-----------Rooney---Hernandez---------

Maybe Adebayor in there for Hernandez, or RVDV.
 
Mine would be:

Fridel
Walker, Vidic, King, Evra
Modric Parker
Nani Bale (wings)
VdV
Rooney
 
The above was back then in November, the only thing I would maybe consider changing now would be De Gea for Friedel
 
Parker ahead of Carrick based on what exactly?
Fridel

-Walker-Vidic- Rio-Evra

Valencia-Carrick-Modric-Nani

Rooney-Hernandez
 
What sets Utd apart from spurs Chelsea and Arsenal is the depth of our squad.

Jones-Rafael-Smalling-Fabio Anderson- one of Young/Valencia- Park-Giggs
Welbeck and Berbatov would finish in top four.
 
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I don't see how Pak Fan or anyone can say Kompany is a better CB then Vidic what's the logic in that.
Vidic for the last 4 years hands down has been the best CB in Europe. Proves in the titles he has won and the CL he is won and the 3 finals he has played in.
Not saying Kompany is bad I would put him at number 3 in Europe. Vidic, Thiago Silva and Kompany best CB in Europe.
 
saeed-sohail said:
Parker ahead of Carrick based on what exactly?
Fridel

-Walker-Vidic- Rio-Evra

Valencia-Carrick-Modric-Nani

Rooney-Hernandez
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Based on him offering better protection to the back four than Carrick does, for me in a 4-4-2 I like to have a player that can break up the play and Parker does that well

I don't think you can leave Bale out, the guy has been brilliant, especially when you pick Nani who has barely played on the left wing

Also on what basis do you pick Hernandez ahead of Adebayor?
 
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Ah, but Geordie, Carrick doesn't need to go gun ho like Parker (Who is brilliant at what he does) precisely because he can read the play better and either block the angle of a pass or make a good interception.

Agree with the rest, except for:

Adebayor's omission in favour of Hernandez. Should be Ade.
 
People underestimate Carrick. He is a vital cog in Manchester Utd team and when he is off boil we tend to struggle. 4 league titles and 3 CL finals since he has been at OT speaks volume for Carrick.
 
saeed-sohail said:
People underestimate Carrick. He is a vital cog in Manchester Utd team and when he is off boil we tend to struggle. 4 league titles and 3 CL finals since he has been at OT speaks volume for Carrick.
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To be fair I struggle to see his worth at United but not because he is a bad player but because he makes it look simple and I am poor judge of talent.
 
^ That's honest of you.

Alonso, who played a similiar role for Liverpool, amdired him greatly and couldn't understand why England hadn't tried to give him a decent run in the national side.

Nor is it a coincidence that United have won so much with him in the team; Those two finals against Braca though, were cruel, in that Barca really will go down in History as one of the best Teams ever!

He's finally had close to a full season where he's been top notch through most of it;

With Carrick you don't notice him all that much TBF, most fans don't; But he's vital in helping the defence and initiating attacks with the simple pass and keeping things ticking over. He can be expansive in his passing when the need arises.
 
Micheal Carrick for me is Englands most underrated player, he plays for a team without a defencive midfielder but has managed to win the title 5 times in the 6 seasons he has been at united and also played in 3 CL finals.

Those are very impressive stats for any midfielder in world football.

he does his job quietly without any fuss. The matches he has been out injured or suspended United's midfield has been in shambles (Basel away, City at home 6-1 are just a few examples) He single handedly has carried United this season especially when the likes of Valencia and Scholes have been out.

Here is what Alonso had to say about Carrick.
Sometimes it seems the English don't rate those who make the team work rather than standing out themselves. You shouldn't necessarily pick the best players; you have to have a collective identity."

In other words, don't waste 10 years trying to crowbar Gerrard and Frank Lampard into the team. Alonso dodges the bullet. "Hey," he says. "That's a press debate. I'm not saying that. But the collective ideal hasn't always been there. Paul Scholes maybe hasn't had the international career he should have. Or Michael Carrick: he makes those around him better, regardless of the fact that he's not the one who scores the most goals, or a great tackler."
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Alonso makes sense, Carrick and Lampard/Gerrad should be Englands central midfield. Both Lampard and Gerrad will never play well together.
 
and the award for the dumbest thread of the season goes too ...... (drum roll)
 
Where is he hiding now, hasnt been seen here since 6th jan, when we lost to blackburn and NC :)))
 
probably thought it wasn't best to show his face after how stupid this thread made him look
 
What's promising is that we're in transition; You can see the young team SAF is trying to mould.

Add in say Hazard in the Summer or another promising Midfielder or two and watch the team fly.

Remember, Cleverel has been injured as has Anderson and they had a fantastic start to the season playing some sumptuous football.

Evans has shown he has what it takes; Stupid people, even after his incredible early form in his career, were writing him off.
 
I reckon the thread starter will never show his face on this forum again. This thread will always make me chuckle
 
eeeeeeek. major Fission Mail thread!

Man Utd aren't as good as they used to be, arguably the best team in the world the year they beat Chelsea in the Champions League final. But they will probably still win the Premiership this year again, like they have every year of the last five apart from one decent season for Chelsea. And the end of Ferguson, you're having a laugh! Without a doubt the greatest manager of all time.
 
^^^ Whippy with a whole paragraph about Utd without showing his hate. Well played sir.

As for this thread. Game, Set and Match.
 
I don't hate anyone or anything, I just say it as I see it.

Praise is given when praise is due, and criticism too. If people aren't prepared to answer the critical points and instead just say I'm from Leeds, well that is their decision, but there are better ways to debate.
 
James said:
eeeeeeek. major Fission Mail thread!

Man Utd aren't as good as they used to be, arguably the best team in the world the year they beat Chelsea in the Champions League final. But they will probably still win the Premiership this year again, like they have every year of the last five apart from one decent season for Chelsea. And the end of Ferguson, you're having a laugh! Without a doubt the greatest manager of all time.
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nice comment and like you said praise where its due. i don't care what opposition fans say about the players or fans but some sort of respect needs to be shown towards Sir Alex, he has won everything you can in football.

Also you mention the one good season Chelsea had, yet they only won the title that season by 1 point. That was the season after Ronaldo and Tevez left and United were trying to rebuild
 
Like I said it was a decent not necessarily good season for Chelsea. They won't be winning the league again for some time IMO.
 
James said:
Like I said it was a decent not necessarily good season for Chelsea. They won't be winning the league again for some time IMO.
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you never know depends on the owner. Depends what manger comes in and how much will he be allowed to spend because its clear Chelsea need a clear out.
I don't see them winning the league next year but surely a chance to rebuild a young team. Not finishing in the CL places this season will probably help them in the long run, if they are really thinking of a younger team.
 
BUMP!!!

Sorry Man U fans. I did call this 3 years back could see it happening but you got away as Liverpool and Arsenal were struggling. Chelsea keep changing managers. And City just starting to take of. Now with these four at their top game. Man U seem average.
Funny how I was laughed at I could see the Man U future bleak with the squad they had. Yes Ferguson might left a title winning team behind but come on same team next season couldn't finish top 4 as the other teams improved.
Even by now by spending 60 million on Di Maria won't improve the team. Whole defence is crap and central midfield needs strengthening. But they decide to splash the cash on a attacking player when that's not a issue.

Sorry for calling the end of era a few years earlier. Ferguson left Man U with a finished useless squad and future. He knew this was about to come so retired on a high.

But be honest I'm just Loving Man Utd demise lol. Could see it coming but all you glory hunters was just laughing as the present was all fine and couldn't see what was to come in the future.
And I'm a Arsenal supporter and we used to be laughed in our transitional period even though with a average squad we finished top 4 all the time. Unlike Man U!!!
 
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like to remind you its only still august isnt it? in football these days no one gives anyone time i would wait until may atleast to say united are finished/going to be relegated etc etc the same was said between 2003-2006 when united didnt win a league title in 3 years we had the djemba twins and kleberson and it didn't look great so yeh give it time.
 
oh and an arsenal fan calling the demise well your the expert so i take your opinion very seriously
 
keysersoze said:
like to remind you its only still august isnt it? in football these days no one gives anyone time i would wait until may atleast to say united are finished/going to be relegated etc etc the same was said between 2003-2006 when united didnt win a league title in 3 years we had the djemba twins and kleberson and it didn't look great so yeh give it time.
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Never said United are going to be relegated. You can wait till May and United won't be in top 4 and not in champions league again so if you don't call that demise then I wonder what you will.
 
s.h.a.k said:
Never said United are going to be relegated. You can wait till May and United won't be in top 4 and not in champions league again so if you don't call that demise then I wonder what you will.
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Well it might help to wait till may then? transfer window isn't even closed yet its barely september? arsenal fans coming out the woodwork after finally winning a trophy after a decade getting overconfident meh.
 
keysersoze said:
Well it might help to wait till may then? transfer window isn't even closed yet its barely september? arsenal fans coming out the woodwork after finally winning a trophy after a decade getting overconfident meh.
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So you expecting Man U to sign a whole defence. We see what happens even if they make another singing which is unlikely after splashing the cash on Di Maria.
And did I show any over confidence. I was talking about something I said few years back to do with Man U so where does that bring me saying anything about Arsenal and hyping them up. Yes after long time we won a trophy and but I didn't hype anything about Arsenal did I. We will finish top 4 for sure and still need few signings to win the league.
 
United in a massive transitional period right now and worry for them is they could massively fall behind chelsea/Man city for a while now in terms of competing for trophys.
 
Another defeat to Man City. Man City have overtaken Man U so much. Don't see Man U catching any of Man City or Chelsea for years. Even finishing top 4 will be a tough ask this season but they might be able to sneak it as Liverpool are struggling but don't think so they will.
 
Bump....

Poor Man U have fallen. Brought in the Special One to the rescue the era but he has turned into the Humiliated One.
As I called it they have fallen well behind even begin the likes of Liverpool and Spurs despite Mourinho making record signing of Pogba.
And the football they have played has been poor this season. A club that was knock for their attacking flair and brand of football has turned into a typical boring Mourinho team.
Will Man U be brave enough to sack Mourinho end of season as I don't seen them finishing top 4 this season.
 
Seeing us struggle in the last three years makes me appreciate Fergie even more. Fergie's retirement was the second worst thing that happened to us after the Munich Air disaster. This guy kept us in the hunt for titles and champions league for so many years and that too with so many average players such as John OShea, Wes Brown, Anderson, Nani, Cleverly, Gibson, Richardson, Blomquist in the team. He didn't splash ridiculous sum of cash on overrated players like Pogba. He was a true genius.
 
The_KING said:
Seeing us struggle in the last three years makes me appreciate Fergie even more. Fergie's retirement was the second worst thing that happened to us after the Munich Air disaster. This guy kept us in the hunt for titles and champions league for so many years and that too with so many average players such as John OShea, Wes Brown, Anderson, Nani, Cleverly, Gibson, Richardson, Blomquist in the team. He didn't splash ridiculous sum of cash on overrated players like Pogba. He was a true genius.
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Agree. As a Arsenal fan I always hated him and always called him over rated but after his retirement I will have to say he was a great great manager. No doubt he could win with a average team. But don't think he left a good team or squad for his successor even though he won with the same squad as he was so good to get results with bunch of average players.
But Man U have had many years to build a team after Ferguson but they ain't and don't see them doing it under Mourinho. Worst football they have played this season so far even Moyes and Van Gaal were not this boring and defensive.
And the same Man U fans who were ctrisicing Mourinho boring football when he was in charge of Chelsea now are saying that Liverpool game was a master stroke. Never seen Man U so negative.
 
Irreplaceable manager. Highly doubt Mourinho is the right man to fill the void SAF left. Polar opposites in terms of longevity at a club.
 
Just found this thread. And what a prediction 7 years ago. Man U have been well left behind Man City, Chelsea, Liverpool and Spurs.
Mourinho who was meant to put things back on track has taken them no where in his 2 years despite spending alot of money in his 2 years. Looks like his time is up now.
 
Fergie's teams were always built on a solid central defensive partnership and it worked so well for him.

Under Mourinho, the centre halves have been poor and that has been a major reason for the poor results.
 
Saj said:
Fergie's teams were always built on a solid central defensive partnership and it worked so well for him.

Under Mourinho, the centre halves have been poor and that has been a major reason for the poor results.
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Mourinho has taken this Man U team no where in 2 years. He spent big on 2 CBs in Bailly and Lindelof but didn't work out. Looks like his time is up
 
in_cutter said:
It was predictable. Sir Fergie WAS Utd. Irreplaceable.
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It's funny going through all posts and everyone calling the thread started stupid, daft and many other stuff.
Their demise did start back then and Ferguson managed to win the league with a average team and retired. But the successors had enough resources to re-build but they appointed the wrong guys to take the team forward especially Mourinho. He spent alot of money 2nd to City. He moaned about signing CBs and he was the one who wanted Bailly and Lindelof and he got them but a year or 2 later wants to get rid of them. How can board trust him with his signings. They finished 2nd last season and look where they are now. He can't improve players or a team. He can only big names and if it don't work buy more and replace them the old ones.
Man U need a manager like Klopp, Guardiola, Pochetino who can improve players and get the best out of them.
 
Have to rate this thread starter. Called it 8 years back and most were laughing him off about the United era of bossing the league is about to end and Man City going to overtake them. Wander what all these posters got to say now.
 
Legendary managers Sir Alex Ferguson and Arsene Wenger have been inducted into the Premier League Hall of Fame.

The duo created a remarkable legacy with Manchester United and Arsenal respectively, winning a combined 16 Premier League titles as they established one of the most famed rivalries in the competition's history.

The Hall of Fame recognises and celebrates individuals who have an exceptional record of success and have made a significant contribution to the Premier League since its inception in 1992. It is the highest individual honour awarded by the League.

Sir Alex is the most successful manager in Premier League history, with a record 13 titles, including winning the title for three seasons in a row on two separate occasions.

During an incredible 27-year career at Old Trafford, which incorporated 21 Premier League seasons, his Manchester United side won the inaugural Premier League title in 1992/93 to deliver the club's first league success since 1967 and kick-start a remarkable era of success.

During his tenure, the United squad was entirely rebuilt several times, including a commitment to nurturing prodigious homegrown talents, notably the 'Class of '92', along with a plethora of international superstars. He finished his career with a final Premier League title in 2012/13.

Six players managed by Ferguson have already been inducted into the Premier League Hall of Fame: David Beckham, Eric Cantona, Roy Keane, Wayne Rooney, Peter Schmeichel and Paul Scholes.

Sir Alex's all-time Premier League record stands at 528 wins from 810 matches and 1,752 points accumulated. He was named manager of the season 11 times and collected the monthly award on 27 occasions.

Ferguson said: "I'm truly delighted to be inducted into the Premier League Hall of Fame. It's an honour when you receive recognition like this. However, it's not just about me as a person. It's about the job at Manchester United and the bond we had over many years, so I'm also proud for the club, the staff and my players.

"My job was to send the fans home happy. United's history and my own expectations were the things that drove me, and I then had to try and develop all my players with the same expectations and make sure we could go out and achieve them.

"I feel Arsene is a very worthy inductee as he transformed Arsenal Football Club fantastically. They became a tough team to compete with and we both wanted to win, which motivated us further.

"Through the years since retirement, we'd go for dinner together in a little restaurant he knows well in Switzerland. He is a really interesting man and I enjoy his company, but it is still my job to pick the wine!"

Wenger's 22 seasons in charge of Arsenal is a Premier League record. He won the Premier League three times and made history in 2003/04 as 'The Invincibles' became the only team to win the title while remaining unbeaten throughout the entire campaign.

Arriving as one of the first foreign managers in the Premier League in 1996, Wenger's impact was instantaneous and remarkable. He raised standards through a revolutionary football philosophy and commitment to playing attractive, attacking football, winning the title in 1997/98, his first full season with the club.

Wenger oversaw an astute transfer strategy, including scouting abroad for talent, which notably brought about the signings of fellow Hall of Fame members Thierry Henry and Patrick Vieira.

Wenger has managed a record 828 Premier League matches, including 476 wins and 199 draws. He was voted manager of the season in 1998, 2002 and 2004.

Wenger said: "I am very grateful to have been selected for the Premier League Hall of Fame. We always wanted to give something special to the fans and when you have players capable of remarkable things, the most important thing for me is the obligation of perfection.

"I'd like to be known as someone who loved Arsenal, who respected the values of the club and left it in a position where it can grow and become even bigger.

"To share this with Sir Alex is a great honour for me. It's like two boxers, you fight like mad and go the distance together. At the end of the day, you have respect and it will be a great opportunity to meet with him, share a good bottle of wine and memories of our old battles."

SKY
 
Sir Alex Ferguson will leave his role as Manchester United ambassador at the end of the season

Ferguson has been paid a multi-million pound sum by United since his retirement as manager in 2013.

During that period the 82-year-old has acted as a global ambassador and club director. He has been a regular at games and retains a seat in the directors' box.

Club sources say Ferguson, United's most successful manager thanks to his 13 Premier League titles, two Champions Leagues, five FA Cups and four League Cups amongst others, will always be welcome at Old Trafford and the decision has been taken amicably following a direct conversation between the Scot and co-owner Sir Jim Ratcliffe last week.

However, it comes as Ratcliffe looks to slash costs in order to invest more money in the team.

Over 250 staff members have been made redundant already in a move the club expect to save around £10m a year.

Last month, United announced a £113m net loss. It is known to be close to the Premier League's £115m three-year loss limit, although the club has said they are committed to abiding by the rules.

United are currently 14th in the Premier League and manager Erik ten Hag remains in his job before Saturday's game against Brentford despite intense speculation over his future.

Source: BBC
 
One of his kind , a very confident person,was never a fan of chopping and changing. 27 years at one club will never happen in eternity.
 
I knew it was paid but £2mn seems excessive. At that salary Fergie should have come back as manager and I am sure they would have finished in the top 6.
 
Bewal Express said:
I knew it was paid but £2mn seems excessive. At that salary Fergie should have come back as manager and I am sure they would have finished in the top 6.
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Sounds like a steal compared to the transfer fee they paid for Antony (amongst others) and whatever wages they will be paying him.
 
Kroll said:
Sounds like a steal compared to the transfer fee they paid for Antony (amongst others) and whatever wages they will be paying him.
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I watched Anthony play for Brazil before he joined United and I didn't see anything to suggest a half decent player, but obviously Ten Haag saw an £80mn player. Just to say my instinct was right
 
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