The iconic Pakistan versus India Group 1 clash at the ICC T20 World Cup (2021)

[shortbread]

Having watched a lot of recent IPL, none of the best local T20 players are even part of the Indian squad.
Some impressive batting talent, but they aren't part of international cricket.

 

[LegendAli]

Pakistan Vs India - Bat first and post 180+

People have been saying Pakistan has 0 chance on Oct 24 against India and they're so confident about it.

I was putting deep thought into this and asked myself why no one picks Pakistan to win.

Since CT, during game days Ive always dreamed of batting first and posting a good total, the game is pretty much in our hands.

I honestly dont ever remember us losing from there, India especially now will not be chasing a good total down.

Lets not kid ourselves, If Pakistan win toss, bat first, and post a 200+ target, they are ending the streak.

Lots of Ifs, but they did it in 2007. No Other way of beating India.

 

[Rana]

Good luck posting 180+ with Babar+Rizwan

The team is built to score a 160 total

 

[YousafTheBeast]

People have been saying Pakistan has 0 chance on Oct 24 against India and they're so confident about it.

I was putting deep thought into this and asked myself why no one picks Pakistan to win.

Since CT, during game days Ive always dreamed of batting first and posting a good total, the game is pretty much in our hands.

I honestly dont ever remember us losing from there, India especially now will not be chasing a good total down.

Lets not kid ourselves, If Pakistan win toss, bat first, and post a 200+ target, they are ending the streak.

Lots of Ifs, but they did it in 2007. No Other way of beating India.

Bat first and get out for 65, giving the bowlers nothing to defend

OR

Bowl first and still being in the game even if India post 180+.

Hmmm

 

[Rodsje]

Good luck posting 180+ with Babar+Rizwan

The team is built to score a 160 total

Thats why they chased 200+ score with ease against South africa… Come on man, the constant hate you give to Babar and especially Rizwan is getting boring now. It’s getting predictable come with something new/else.

 

[Rana]

Thats why they chased 200+ score with ease against South africa… Come on man, the constant hate you give to Babar and especially Rizwan is getting boring now. It’s getting predictable come with something new/else.

Yeah those were belters

We are playing in the UAE.

 

[Walawalkar]

Yeah those were belters

We are playing in the UAE.

Rana ji... Wrong player on your Radar...tough time waiting for you because Rizwan's career graph will only go up from here.He is the most valuable player in current Pakistani line up along with Babar.

Babar Azam is not a natural leader and he will flourish more just as batsman in the team. Mohammad Rizwan going to lead Pakistan in all format in future.Very soon. And he will be pretty good leader.

Best Wicketkeeper in the World.More than a decent Batter. And most improved player in Pakistan cricket in recent time.

 

[Nasty Naz]

Good luck posting 180+ with Babar+Rizwan

The team is built to score a 160 total

How many times was the score of180+ even reached when we played teams in UAE? Hard to recall it happening and if it did, it was likely a rare occasion.

 

[shamaan]

Pakistan should bat first and look to score 170

 

[Mesozoic]

I honestly dont ever remember us losing from there, India especially now will not be chasing a good total down.

Lets not kid ourselves, If Pakistan win toss, bat first, and post a 200+ target, they are ending the streak.

If Pakistan can post 200 against the Indian attack, then India can most definitely chase that down against the Pakistani attack on the same wicket. You have to keep in mind that this is a group game unlike the CT final, where the pressure of an ICC knockout did more than half the work for Pakistan.

 

[drubwrubnat]

Bat first 180+ is a very good strategy, I fully agree, but far from foolproof. Toss factor aside.

There are 2 aspects - one is the technical aspect & the other is the mind aspect.
I would use bat first strategy with a method to control the tempo, but its mainly about horses for courses. By that i mean man to man marking.

Imo, the technical aspect should be studied using matchups, and statistical data modelling. Every batsman has a weakness, although Indians adapt quickly, Virat has his weaknesses , and so on.

Every batsman has a scoring zone, where he thrives, and struggles when choked for runs in that zone.

Also Indian bowlers are pretty inaccurate, when you start playing proper cricketing strokes, and make mistakes when dealt with extreme aggression.

Some machine learning expert should be hired to understand each & every weakness of the 11 indian players.

India have always struggled against Mohd Amir. He is the most successful bowler against India.
Idk why but he is just so effective - amazing bowling to the pads.

Ive also noticed that Pakistan always drop important catches, and run poorly. Not acceptable.

Now the mental or pressure aspect - im really not very sure about this, always baffled me, but it has to be explored.

Indians can wilt when you get 2 quick wickets, or have a mystery bowler like Dhani ( im not sure about the guy but can be tried ).

“Theres nothing like a plan that comes together”
- John Hannibal Smith

 

[MenInG]

With barely a couple of weeks to go for the big-ticket India vs Pakistan T20 World Cup match on October 24 in Dubai, the anticipation is slowly but surely building up. This will be after two years that the arch rivals will meet on the cricket field. The last time India and Pakistan faced each other was also in a World Cup, albeit in the ODI format, in 2019 in England.

At a time when fans, experts alike are gearing up for the mouth-watering contest between Virat Kohli's India and Babar Azam's Pakistan, former Pakistan batter Asim Kamal, shared a slightly different viewpoint.

Kamal said excessive focus on India-Pakistan contests have somewhat had a negative impact on Pakistan cricket. The former Test batter said matches against other teams would also needed attention to take the unnecessary pressure off the players ahead of an India-Pakistan encounter.

"Our cricket is ruined because we focused too much on the India-Pakistan match in focus. In order to relieve the pressure, other teams should also be given attention," Asim told Express News.


Talking about Pakistan's current lot, Asim, who has represented Pakistan in 12 Tests, said the ‘trend’ of senior players feeling insecure about being replaced by the youngsters, is worrisome.

"Senior players do not help upcoming young stars because they are scared of being replaced by them. This trend has continued for a very long while and it needs to be eradicated," he said.

Asim wanted newly-elected Pakistan Cricket Board (PCB) chief Ramiz Raja to take ‘bold decisions’ to get the house in order.

"He [Ramiz] will have to make bold decisions to fix the Pakistan cricket. He needs to expose and sack those who have been eating away like termites," he claimed.

When asked about Pakistan's squad in the T20 World Cup, which had three changes of late, Kamal said they have got a mix.

"Sharjeel Khan is the number one hitter at the moment, Sohaib Maqsood is a great player and can be used with a little counseling. Also, if Fakhar Zaman is included in the World Cup squad, it will be the best decision."

https://www.hindustantimes.com/cric...kistan-batter-asim-kamal-101633771880858.html

 

[MenInG]

Rizwan on the pressure of the India-Pakistan group stage clash

"Even when you play against a club side, not me but even the superstars of cricket, will have pressure as they will be worried what if a junior player gets you out"

"This India-Pakistan match, we will consider it like any other game. The hype is being created by the Social Media and fans which is fine but in our hearts and minds, we will consider this game the same as one against any other side. Because, if we as players take on the additional pressure of this game, then that wont be good as it has happened before"

"The message from our captain and one that I agree with, is that this match will be considered as a normal game, just like we would with matches against other teams"

 

[Rajdeep]

Rizwan on the pressure of the India-Pakistan group stage clash

"Even when you play against a club side, not me but even the superstars of cricket, will have pressure as they will be worried what if a junior player gets you out"

"This India-Pakistan match, we will consider it like any other game. The hype is being created by the Social Media and fans which is fine but in our hearts and minds, we will consider this game the same as one against any other side. Because, if we as players take on the additional pressure of this game, then that wont be good as it has happened before"

"The message from our captain and one that I agree with, is that this match will be considered as a normal game, just like we would with matches against other teams"

Ramiz Raja is not social media or fans. His exact statement was 'First our target used to be only India and now NZ is added on that hit list'. So its not just any other game irrespective of how Rizwan tries to twist it.

 

[sharmaji]

Here's my Ind XI and Pak XI

Ind XI:

Ishan Kishan
Rahul
Virat
Rohit
SKY
Hardik Pandya
Jadeja
Chahal
Bhuvi
Shami/Varun Chakravarthy
Bumrah

Pak XI:

Babar
Rizwan
Fakhar
Haider
Hafeez
Malik
Nawaz/Imad
Shadab
Hasan Ali
Shaheen
Haris Rauf/Qadir

Both the teams are capable of winning. We have a wonderful match coming up.

 

[globalcitizen]

Here's my Ind XI and Pak XI

Ind XI:

Ishan Kishan
Rahul
Virat
Rohit
SKY
Hardik Pandya
Jadeja
Chahal
Bhuvi
Shami/Varun Chakravarthy
Bumrah

Pak XI:

Babar
Rizwan
Fakhar
Haider
Hafeez
Malik
Nawaz/Imad
Shadab
Hasan Ali
Shaheen
Haris Rauf/Qadir

Both the teams are capable of winning. We have a wonderful match coming up.

Chahal is not in the squad

 

[Rana]

Indian bowling is still too strong for Pakistani batting.

Thinking of Malik and Hafeez still playing, it’s the equivalent of India still fielding a side with Dhoni, Yuvraj, Sehwag, Ghambhir, RP Singh, Dinesh Karthik, Robin Uthappa etc.

Man nearly all of them have moved on and settled down in their lives, they are not playing World Cup cricket lol!

 

[srh]

People have been saying Pakistan has 0 chance on Oct 24 against India and they're so confident about it.

I was putting deep thought into this and asked myself why no one picks Pakistan to win.

Since CT, during game days Ive always dreamed of batting first and posting a good total, the game is pretty much in our hands.

I honestly dont ever remember us losing from there, India especially now will not be chasing a good total down.

Lets not kid ourselves, If Pakistan win toss, bat first, and post a 200+ target, they are ending the streak.

Lots of Ifs, but they did it in 2007. No Other way of beating India.

To post 200+ target, first you need aggressive openers who can go big in first 6 overs of batting power play. Pakistan's current openers Babar and Rizwan do not match this criteria. If Haider Ali and Hafeez in middle order click then Pakistan has a chance to post 200+ target.

 

[sharmaji]

Oh yes, then which spinner do you think could get into the XI? Ashwin?

Also, Hardik's form is not encouraging. Who could come in for him?

Chahal is not in the squad

 

[sharmaji]

While its true that Hafeez and Shoaib Malik are too old to be playing the tournament, I don't think Pak XI is too bad compared to India.

Babar = Virat
Rizwan = Rohit
Fakhar < Rahul
Hafeez > SKY
Haider = Ishan
Malik = Hardik
Imad = Jadeja
Shadab > Ashwin
Hasan Ali > Bhuvneshwar
Shaheen = Bumrah
Rauf = Shami

Indian bowling is still too strong for Pakistani batting.

Thinking of Malik and Hafeez still playing, it’s the equivalent of India still fielding a side with Dhoni, Yuvraj, Sehwag, Ghambhir, RP Singh, Dinesh Karthik, Robin Uthappa etc.

Man nearly all of them have moved on and settled down in their lives, they are not playing World Cup cricket lol!

 

[Abdurmirr]

Don't get why people are saying we need 200 to win.

The slow pitches of the UAE are tailor made for 160-170 scores.

Teams that play smart cricket and look not to over attack will be successful as oppose to teams that try to fill their line up with low IQ hitters.

That being said highly doubt Pakistan can beat India just because our management is obsessed with playing Shadab who will give guys like Kohli, Pant and Kishan easy runs and our batting bar Rizwan and Babar is really out of touch

 

[BaankeJi]

While its true that Hafeez and Shoaib Malik are too old to be playing the tournament, I don't think Pak XI is too bad compared to India.

Babar = Virat
Rizwan = Rohit
Fakhar < Rahul
Hafeez > SKY
Haider = Ishan
Malik = Hardik
Imad = Jadeja
Shadab > Ashwin
Hasan Ali > Bhuvneshwar
Shaheen = Bumrah
Rauf = Shami

Seriously? You are trolling, right?

 

[iniqbal223]

Good luck posting 180+ with Babar+Rizwan

The team is built to score a 160 total

Even 130 wil be a big score for Pakistan bastsmen

Its not only the Indian bowling , people forget their incredible fielding as well , which converts half chances , and choke runs by good fielding (and players like Babar and Rizwan who tries to maneuver fields will struggle a lot)

 

[iniqbal223]

With recent changes in the team and with Hayden and Philander at helm; I would say below scores would justify both the teams

If India bat first :

India : 170/7

Pakistan : 133 all out (18.2 overs)

If Pakistan bat first :

Pakistan : 141/ 9
India : 142/4 (17 overs)

 

[Mesozoic]

Babar = Virat
Rizwan = Rohit
Fakhar < Rahul
Hafeez > SKY
Haider = Ishan
Malik = Hardik
Imad = Jadeja
Shadab > Ashwin
Hasan Ali > Bhuvneshwar
Shaheen = Bumrah
Rauf = Shami

 

[Marathonrunner]

Would be a great match. I believe the pressure is equal on both teams . Would be bit less pressure on India as the World Cup is getting hosted in UAE and not in India.

 

[iniqbal223]

If we go by the history with seniors like Shoaib Malik in the team then it is clear what we get a near fighting display by the team, but eventually it will be India who will come out on top

 

[sharmaji]

No I am not. Which of my comparisons seem unsound to you?

Seriously? You are trolling, right?

 

[MenInG]

Shahid Afridi speaking on his YT:

"See, India vs Pakistan is always a high-pressure game. And whichever team handles pressure better will win. Also, whichever teams make the smallest of mistakes has a better chance of winning"

 

[Slim]

Good luck posting 180+ with Babar+Rizwan

The team is built to score a 160 total

Considering our mental fragility against India in world cup events - even 160+ would be a good score because you usually expect our mentally shot lot to bundle around 120 in such instances.

 

[Slim]

Rizwan on the pressure of the India-Pakistan group stage clash

"Even when you play against a club side, not me but even the superstars of cricket, will have pressure as they will be worried what if a junior player gets you out"

"This India-Pakistan match, we will consider it like any other game. The hype is being created by the Social Media and fans which is fine but in our hearts and minds, we will consider this game the same as one against any other side. Because, if we as players take on the additional pressure of this game, then that wont be good as it has happened before"

"The message from our captain and one that I agree with, is that this match will be considered as a normal game, just like we would with matches against other teams"

Mature comments and a breath of fresh air. Something people like Ramiz could learn from, who belong to the older generation, and can never stop with their verbal diarrhoea

 

[Thephenom]

We will humiliate and embarrass those frauds and we’ll win the tournament, we’ll show the world you can’t mess with Pakistan cricket!

 

[Mesozoic]

No I am not. Which of my comparisons seem unsound to you?

In what way is -

---Shaheen at the same level as Bumrah in T20s?

---Hasan Ali better than Bhuvi?

---Haider Ali at the same level as Ishan Kishan (even though it'll be Rishabh)?

---Malik (currently) at the same level as Hardik Pandya?

--- Hafeez better than SKY?

 

[Slim]

In what way is -

---Shaheen at the same level as Bumrah in T20s?

---Hasan Ali better than Bhuvi?

---Haider Ali at the same level as Ishan Kishan (even though it'll be Rishabh)?

---Malik (currently) at the same level as Hardik Pandya?

--- Hafeez better than SKY?

In what world is Bhuvi better than Hassan? And why and how is Bumrah better than Shaheen? Haider and Ishan are pretty much at the same level.

Rest, i agree.

 

[OMB]

With recent changes in the team and with Hayden and Philander at helm; I would say below scores would justify both the teams

If India bat first :

India : 170/7

Pakistan : 133 all out (18.2 overs)

If Pakistan bat first :

Pakistan : 141/ 9
India : 142/4 (17 overs)

I see, no rounding up. You certainly have been very specific. 142/4 and 133 all out

 

[Mesozoic]

In what world is Bhuvi better than Hassan?

If you read my post once again, you'll realize that I never actually said Bhuvi is better than Hasan but anyways....

Bhuvneshwar Kumar in T20 internationals -

Matches - 51
Average - 25
Economy - 6.9

Hasan Ali in T20 internationals -

Matches - 41
Average - 22
Economy - 8.3

Now Hasan Ali has better average but as it's T20, the focus is usually on economy rate and there, Bhuvi is leading by quite a bit. So it'd be fair to say that they both are pretty much at the same level.

And of course there's this big white elephant in the room i.e Hasan playing a lot more games against subpar opponents and on low scoring UAE wickets which is not the case with Bhuvi. So the fact that they have similar stats despite of that says everything we need to know.

And why and how is Bumrah better than Shaheen?

I can't believe one would even think of asking this question. Just check their records and decide for yourself. I'm not gonna waste my time proving the obvious.

Haider and Ishan are pretty much at the same level.

Lol no they are not. I have watched Haider Ali play and sorry to say but, he doesn't have half the hitting ability as that of Kishan. I mean the guy averages 19 FGS and that too after playing most of his games against rubbish bowling attacks of South Africa and Zimbabwe.

I know both of them are still newbies and things could change in the future, but at this stage , it's obvious that Kishan has a higher ceiling.

 

[Usman Chadda]

Unfair to compare Haider Ali with Ishan Kishan. The latter has probably played more domestic cricket than Haider has played since he picked up a bat.

Our youngsters are undercooked and all these comparisons are silly.

 

[Napa]

People have been saying Pakistan has 0 chance on Oct 24 against India and they're so confident about it.

I was putting deep thought into this and asked myself why no one picks Pakistan to win.

Since CT, during game days Ive always dreamed of batting first and posting a good total, the game is pretty much in our hands.

I honestly dont ever remember us losing from there, India especially now will not be chasing a good total down.

Lets not kid ourselves, If Pakistan win toss, bat first, and post a 200+ target, they are ending the streak.

Lots of Ifs, but they did it in 2007. No Other way of beating India.

I think a T20I can be unpredictable so Pakistan does have a decent chance of winning.

However, Pakistan plays best against India in English conditions. They got hammered in both games in the last Asia Cup in the desert, so conditions do favor India.

 

[sharmaji]

You're right about Bumrah > Shaheen. Both have similar stature in their teams and are feared by opposition for their yorkers, but Bumrah is more accomplished.

Both Hasan and Bhuvi are good death bowlers with their cutters, slow balls and yorkers, hence I placed them together. I rate Hasan slightly higher because of his batting.

Both Haider and Ishan are young rookies in international circuit, aggressive batsmen who prefer to slog towards leg-side, have great potential to score quick 50s for their teams, hence I placed them as equals. Also, both were out of form for a while, and got back into form very recently.

Hardik is not bowling. Or has bowled very little, just like Malik. Both Hardik and Malik, as batters, are known to be big six hitters of spinners, but they have been badly out of form for the past few years, even the recent domestic T20s have not helped their case. So I put them in the same category.

Hafeez is clearly better than SKY. He has better record and his allround skills give him advantage. Hafeez was in the form of his life in 2019-20 but lost his form in the past one year. SKY, inspite of his accomplishments in IPL is yet to be tested in international cricket. And his form(barring the recent innings in IPL) is a matter of concern. He may not even find a place in the XI, frankly speaking. So I rated Hafeez higher than SKY.

In what way is -

---Shaheen at the same level as Bumrah in T20s?

---Hasan Ali better than Bhuvi?

---Haider Ali at the same level as Ishan Kishan (even though it'll be Rishabh)?

---Malik (currently) at the same level as Hardik Pandya?

--- Hafeez better than SKY?

 

[dildilpak]

Just two weeks to go for the big game and so little hype!

 

[Mesozoic]

Both Hasan and Bhuvi are good death bowlers with their cutters, slow balls and yorkers, hence I placed them together.I rate Hasan slightly higher because of his batting.

Hafeez is clearly better than SKY. He has better record and his allround skills give him advantage. Hafeez was in the form of his life in 2019-20 but lost his form in the past one year. SKY, inspite of his accomplishments in IPL is yet to be tested in international cricket. And his form(barring the recent innings in IPL) is a matter of concern. He may not even find a place in the XI, frankly speaking. So I rated Hafeez higher than SKY.

Sorry that is not how you should be comparing two players. Hasan's primary skill is bowling and Hafeez's is batting so you should be taking only those into account.

This is like saying David Willey is a better option than Bumrah/Nortje/Lockie Ferguson because of his batting ability. No team would pick a bowler based on his batting skills and vice versa.

 

[Devadwal]

Just two weeks to go for the big game and so little hype!

IPL playoffs start from today so just wait for 15 October when IPL finished .after that all the hype about this game start.

 

[CrIc_Mystique]

Glad MI bombed out
Which basically means Jazz boom gets some much needed rest, a wonderful takeaway from this. If was worried about his burning out.
I still dont know why we keep selecting Bhuvi. A useless 120 kmph trundler who neither swings it, nor gets wickets and is cannon fodder on slow low UAE pitches, not the greatest fielder and frankly there are others like thakur or venki Iyer who are better with the bat and can do a better job.
I guess he knows someone really high up to be consistently selected when he should have been dropped post CT 2017.
My team:-
Hitman
KL
VK
Surya
Rishabh
Hardik / Shardul
Ash
Jads
Jazz boom
Shami / Siraj / even Umraan /Any one but Bhuvi
Varun / Rahul Chahhar

What say fellas?

U have people who can build the innings, knock it aroiund, and go for the tall timber in the last few overs.
Jads can be the floater to mix up the Leftie bit and throw bowlers off their lengths, if the going was too slow in the initial overs.
U have all round cover in jads, ashwin and pant, hardik(if he bowls) or thakur
u have quality spin
Decent pace in Jazz boom and shami/siraj/umran or anyone but Bhuvi.

 

[sharmaji]

I understand. I mean all else being equal, there will be a slight advantage for the allrounder.

Here, Hasan and Bhuvi have similar skills and abilities. Bhuvi is a better opening bowler but Hasan is a better bowler in the middle-overs. Both get wickets aplenty, and are excellent in the death overs. It is in this context that I considered Hasan's batting skills to place him above Bhuvi. But if you want to be purist, sure Hasan = Bhuvi as pure bowlers.

Sure, let's just take the batting abilities of Hafeez and Sky. I think Hafeez is a better batsman than SKY. He is more accomplished, has exhibited more ability to score runs, and the UAE pitches might suit his style of batting. Sky's form is quite poor, and he is yet to play an innings of impact in the international circuit. Perhaps it is not a good comparison between these two players, but I did that only because they're both middle-order batsmen in their respective teams.

Sorry that is not how you should be comparing two players. Hasan's primary skill is bowling and Hafeez's is batting so you should be taking only those into account.

This is like saying David Willey is a better option than Bumrah/Nortje/Lockie Ferguson because of his batting ability. No team would pick a bowler based on his batting skills and vice versa.

 

[moghul]

With current changes in Pakistan batting line, the match is now worth watching although India is clearly favorite to win.

Prior to the changes, with likes of Maqsood, Khushdil and Azam in the middle order , it would have been an extremely one sided affair.

 

[bala977]

If India opens with Varun and Bhumra in bowling, both Pak openers will be gone in a couple of overs I think

 

[Rana]

If India opens with Varun and Bhumra in bowling, both Pak openers will be gone in a couple of overs I think

India might play a left arm spinner for Babar. Even Jadeja will be a tough ask

 

[hitthestump]

IPL playoffs start from today so just wait for 15 October when IPL finished .after that all the hype about this game start.

We'll see, but i just don't think anyone really cares anymore.

The rivalry is finished for now. A surprise Pakistan win might be needed just to reignite any semblance of it.

 

[shamaan]

Seriously? You are trolling, right?

What's thier to trol about

 

[shamaan]

Even 130 wil be a big score for Pakistan bastsmen

Its not only the Indian bowling , people forget their incredible fielding as well , which converts half chances , and choke runs by good fielding (and players like Babar and Rizwan who tries to maneuver fields will struggle a lot)

If Pakistan is to chase 130 its tailormade for Babar Rizwan

 

[MenInG]

Former Test captain and legendary batsman Javed Miandad said that in order for Pakistan to do well in the upcomingT20 World Cup, each player must recognise their role in the team and contribute accordingly.

While speaking at the media at the Karachi Press Club, Miandad spoke about Pakistan’s chances in the mega event.

"The team needs to play with coordination. Each player needs to chip in with what they can because relying on 1 or 2 players will hurt Pakistan's chances in the World Cup," said Miandad.

Pakistan kicks off their campaign against a crunch match against India on October 24. Speaking about the fixture, Miandad said players need to put in a collective effort.

"The match against India needs to be played without fear and pressure. The players are not children, they have to develop confidence within themselves to overcome pressure situations and pressure matches," added Miandad.

The 64-year-old further stated that Pakistan needs to put up good performances and winning or losing should be a secondary matter.

"Pakistan batters need to play each ball on merit; the entire team needs to adopt that mentality and forget about money and if they play well, they will surely earn money," concluded Miandad.

https://cricketpakistan.com.pk/en/n...l-hurt-pakistan-team-in-t20-world-cup-miandad

 

[ritzy_123]

[MENTION=9]Saj[/MENTION] Rizwan's Injury Update

 

[Rajdeep]

This is the first time in a decade that in a Ind-Pak game, Virat Kohli (the batsman) is going without any pressure as he is expected to fail. KL Rahul and Rohit Sharma are main players that opposition will be wary about.

Otherwise since 2011 world cup, every Ind-Pak match was all about Kohli...get him out and beat India was the mantra. And to his credit, he did lived upto the hype most of the time. When he couldnt, India lost.

Kohli's effect in Ind-Pak matches (since 2011 world cup):

2012 WT20 - Man of the match performance, India wins.

Aane Do series - Kohli flops, India lost

2013 CT - Not out Kohli guides India to victory

2014 Asia Cup - Kohli flops, India lost

2014 T20 WC - Man of the match performance, India wins.

2015 WC - Man of the match performance, India wins.

2016 Asia Cup - Man of the match performance, India wins.

2016 T20 WC - Man of the match performance, India wins.

2017 CT Group match - Decent knock, India wins

2017 CT Finals - Kohli flops, India lost

2019 WC - Decent knock, India wins


Amazing stats.

 

[Devadwal]

This is the first time in a decade that in a Ind-Pak game, Virat Kohli (the batsman) is going without any pressure as he is expected to fail. KL Rahul and Rohit Sharma are main players that opposition will be wary about.

Otherwise since 2011 world cup, every Ind-Pak match was all about Kohli...get him out and beat India was the mantra. And to his credit, he did lived upto the hype most of the time. When he couldnt, India lost.

Kohli's effect in Ind-Pak matches (since 2011 world cup):

2012 WT20 - Man of the match performance, India wins.

Aane Do series - Kohli flops, India lost

2013 CT - Not out Kohli guides India to victory

2014 Asia Cup - Kohli flops, India lost

2014 T20 WC - Man of the match performance, India wins.

2015 WC - Man of the match performance, India wins.

2016 Asia Cup - Man of the match performance, India wins.

2016 T20 WC - Man of the match performance, India wins.

2017 CT Group match - Decent knock, India wins

2017 CT Finals - Kohli flops, India lost

2019 WC - Decent knock, India wins


Amazing stats.

Where is 183 knock vs Pakistan in Asia cup 2012.

 

[Devadwal]

My playing eleven against Pakistan

KL
Rohit
Virat
Sky
Pant
Hardik
Jadeja
Shardul
Shami
Bumrah
Chakravarthy

 

[Rajdeep]

Where is 183 knock vs Pakistan in Asia cup 2012.

Oh yes... my bad.

I forgot his best knock itself but listed others

Just goes to show what dominance Kohli had in the last decade.

Which batsman from either side will emulate him this decade?

 

[Devadwal]

Star sport's ads for India - Pakistan game .Mauka Mauka

https://twitter.com/StarSportsIndia/status/1448283154087772172?t=s6cEPlRs1_DmVNPXNvExxg&s=19

 

[NishanKonar]

Star sport's ads for India - Pakistan game .Mauka Mauka

https://twitter.com/StarSportsIndia/status/1448283154087772172?t=s6cEPlRs1_DmVNPXNvExxg&s=19

Mauka ads were good during 2015 Workd Cup

Since then its become lame and repetitive

 

[shamaan]

In what way is -

---Shaheen at the same level as Bumrah in T20s?

---Hasan Ali better than Bhuvi?

---Haider Ali at the same level as Ishan Kishan (even though it'll be Rishabh)?

---Malik (currently) at the same level as Hardik Pandya?

--- Hafeez better than SKY?

Shaheen is an excellent bowler but Bumrah is proberly the best bowler in the world.

Hassan Ali has similar stats to bhuvi but has bowls at the death I believe bhuvi bowls In the powerplay.hassan Ali is a a better batter.

Haider ali for me has a better ceiling and proberly play atleast 2/3 formats.pluss he can bat anywhere in the top6.

I would take malik and Hafeez over the two names you mentioned as they both can bowl.

 

[ahmadharis1]

Forget Kohli, Sharma, or Bumrah.... this dude Varun Chakravarthy is gonna dominate our batsmen easy

 

[MenInG]

Former Indian spinner Harbhajan Singh has taken a dig at Pakistan team ahead of the Men in Blue’s match against their arch-rivals during the upcoming T20 World Cup.

While speaking on Star Sports, the former off-spinner revealed his conversation with former Pakistan speedster Shoaib Akhtar.

“I have told Shoaib Akhtar, what is the point of Pakistan playing, you should give us a walkover, you will play, you will again lose, you will be upset,” said Harbhajan Singh

“Our team is very solid, very strong, they will easily beat you guys,” he concluded.

It must be noted that Pakistan have never defeated India in ICC World Cups, in 12 previous attempts.

Pakistan will face India on October 24 in Dubai.

https://cricketpakistan.com.pk/en/n...pakistan-shoaib-akhtar-ahead-of-t20-world-cup

 

[sam_ahm]

Pakistan are massively underrated for this world cup which could work in their favour.

Pakistan have a method now, they open with their two best batters Babar Azam and Mohammed Rizwan and more often than not I've seen them give Pakistan those wicket less starts, 70 or 80 for no loss in 12 overs.

Pakistan looks to go big in the last 8 with wickets in hand. Same approach while chasing, they keep Wickets in hand and then go big.

Pakistan's problem though is that if Babar and Rizwan get out early then they do not seem to have a plan B, but now banking on the experience of Hafeez, Fakhar and Malik in the middle order, Pakistan do seem to have a middle order than tlcan consolidate if they face the horror of losing Babar and Rizwan early.

For the first time, in a long time, Pakistan are going in with a team that bat's really deep. Haider Ali at 6, Nawaz/Imad at 7, Shadab at 8, Hasan Ali at 9 and possibly Wasim at 10 can all bat and go big. Which is what you need in T20s.

Coming to bowling department, Pakistan do hav Shaheen and Hasan Ali who are in top form, they have the surprise factor in Mohammed Wasim or Rauf who can bowl at some serious pace, their spin attack is a bit weak but don't forget even if Shadab and Nawaz are having a bad day, they experience of Hafeez and Malik with the ball can come in very very handy.

They have a solid team and I do not see any reason why Pakistan cannot make the semi finals. As for the game against India, if Pakistan can overcome their Mental block against us then we are in for a serious battle.

 

[The Yorker]

Pak usually bottle it. This one no different. Better if they refuse it to play against a vile and hostile nation.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

Pakistan should have very low expectations for this game, and the tournament in general. They were badly in need of good preparation to sort out key positions in the batting and bowling areas, but the poor weather in West Indies, followed by the kop out by NZ and England tours to Pakistan has left them severely undercooked.

Normally I would expect Pakistan to have a 50/50 chance of winning this game, but under these circumstances it will be a miracle.

 

[haiderva]

I was originally going to write that we don't stand a chance because on paper.. we are severely outclassed. But then again.. I am reminded of the 2017 Champions Trophy final and it gives me a glimmer of hope.
It will definitely take something special for us to beat the blue team.

 

[The Yorker]

Now you have indians talking up the game as if Pakistan have any chance. A dreadfully weak team will struggle here and maybe only win against minnows.

 

[drubwrubnat]

Going by odds. bookies now around 1.5 india & 2.5 Pakistan
Thats like a 250-300% more probability.

 

[Rajdeep]

Forget Kohli, Sharma, or Bumrah.... this dude Varun Chakravarthy is gonna dominate our batsmen easy

He is doubtful to play and may be out of the entire world cup due to knee injury. I am so upset. In all IPL matches this year, he has not conceeded more than 26 runs in 4 overs in any game. A super economical bowler.

He along with Yuzi Chahal would have created a spin web around Pak batsman. But looks like both wont play

 

[dravidthewall]

He is doubtful to play and may be out of the entire world cup due to knee injury. I am so upset. In all IPL matches this year, he has not conceeded more than 26 runs in 4 overs in any game. A super economical bowler.

He along with Yuzi Chahal would have created a spin web around Pak batsman. But looks like both wont play

Really what is the source?.Let's see weather he is playing IPL final or not

 

[ChennaiFan]

Pakistan team is a good team for T20 format. Indian team is also good, but I see the key players are not in form. I would put Pakistan team’s chances of winning the game on the 24th higher than Indian team’s chances. If Pakistan fields well, they will most likely win.

 

[Mesozoic]

Heard that Pakistan have their own 12-0 streak in T20is in the UAE since WT20 2016.

Stars are perfectly aligned.

 

[#GreenRoars]

Heard that Pakistan have their own 12-0 streak in T20is in the UAE since WT20 2016.

Stars are perfectly aligned.

I had to appear after centuries of break just to highlight mine Profile picture and to say the following

Eat..Sleep..Break the Streak..Repeat

Hope buddies like [MENTION=139664]street cricketer[/MENTION] [MENTION=134809]sensible-indian-fan[/MENTION] [MENTION=138254]Syed1[/MENTION] [MENTION=76058]cricketjoshila[/MENTION] and all are alive and well

 

[Usman Chadda]

Pakistan should have very low expectations for this game, and the tournament in general. They were badly in need of good preparation to sort out key positions in the batting and bowling areas, but the poor weather in West Indies, followed by the kop out by NZ and England tours to Pakistan has left them severely undercooked.

Normally I would expect Pakistan to have a 50/50 chance of winning this game, but under these circumstances it will be a miracle.

Very good point, people buying into the hype have to understand how terrible our preparations have been.

If we perform well, it will be a miracle to say the least.

 

[JattMaula]

I had to appear after centuries of break just to highlight mine Profile picture and to say the following

Eat..Sleep..Break the Streak..Repeat

Hope buddies like [MENTION=139664]street cricketer[/MENTION] [MENTION=134809]sensible-indian-fan[/MENTION] [MENTION=138254]Syed1[/MENTION] [MENTION=76058]cricketjoshila[/MENTION] and all are alive and well

When the world needed him most, he returned.

 

[Smbhayi]

Really what is the source?.Let's see weather he is playing IPL final or not

He has a knee problem.. They played him yesterday despite that and substitute him after bowled his full quote..

 

[globalcitizen]

Oh yes, then which spinner do you think could get into the XI? Ashwin?

Also, Hardik's form is not encouraging. Who could come in for him?

I guess you got the answer by now. It's thakur

 

[castortroy]

Pak fans getting carried away once again. Pak will never beat India in a wc match, not in our lifetime.

India have better seamers, spinners, batters and fielders.

Don't delude yourself. Write this game off and focus on the others

 

[speed_thrills]

This Pakistani team is lot stronger then the one in the final of CT 17 and Indian one is lot weaker.

Pakistan's game to lose.

 

[sharmaji]

Who are going to be the spinners?

Varun C is not fully fit, most likely he won't play.
Ashwin was never a good T20 bowler and he is not in a good form either
Rahul Chahar lost his form and confidence, he was even dropped from MI
Jadeja hardly spins, at best he can be economical in UAE conditions
Axar Patel, who is economical and perhaps a better spinner than Jadeja is dropped

The one in-form spinner, Chahal is not in the Squad. The rookie spinner who impressed the most, Harpreet is not selected.

So yes, spinners (and you're supposed to have a good 3 bowler spin attack in these UAE pitches) is a problem.

And then there's the other big problem:

Will Hardik bowl? If not, then will he and Thakur both play, in order to have 6 bowling options, but with one batter short?

Who is going to keep? Pant is in bad form, unlike Ishan Kishan who is in decent form.
Will Surya Kumar Yadav bat at 4? He is also not in great form. Who is his alternative? Ishan Kishan?

If Surya plays, look at the batting order:

KL (RHB)
Rohit (RHB)
Virat (RHB)
Surya (RHB)
Hardik (RHB)

That's too many RHBs in top order.

So, questions still remain.

I guess you got the answer by now. It's thakur

 

[castortroy]

India could play their reserve team and they will still win a wc game against pak