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I think Pakistan should get a new LOI team under new leadership.
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Maybe he took that decision because he didn't know anything about cricket. Prior to CT, it seemed like Aqib had become his newest trusted guy.I don't like his politics but feel he is our only hope.
He is the only one with the power and authority to clean up and put processes place and the only one who can push back on the ex player cabal that has ruined us.
But he will need to be bold and in it for the long haul.
His decision to sack Kirsten and Gillespie was the wrong one and will be difficult to recover from, but if he is clever he will realise that it was due to ex player mafia that he was led down that path.
Before Ramiz, Sethi and Zaka had already played their musical chair from 2011-14. Take a few steps back, and there was Nasim Ashraf, who also allegedly enjoyed the same relations with Musharaf that Naqvi is enjoying from munir.No it all started with ramiz raja no political party has right to meddle with cricket affairs and make ramiz raja chairman based on friendship if pti can do then all other parties can do it too
So the players he named were performing great and winning tournaments before Naqvi, right? And Naqvi came and dragged the multiple trophy winners down?I don't blame you or anyone living in Pakistan for not speaking up against the butcher of Pakistan cricket, its hard, people are scared of saying anything against him, you never know what can happen.
They are comparing the actions of Ramiz as head of PCB as this is a discussion about PCB and Pakistan cricket.Our system rewards the boot polishers with positions for services rendered. I laugh when idiots compare Ramiz Raja with the mafia henchmen like Sethi, The money laundering guy from Sindh (name escaped me) and this disgraceful scum.
He made it worst , total failure.So the players he named were performing great and winning tournaments before Naqvi, right? And Naqvi came and dragged the multiple trophy winners down?
Does it matter? Do you have a counter to the fact I have quoted?
My age has nothing to do with the fact that Pakistan cricket team is literally run like a family business with addition of close friends here and there.
Stop this nonsense.They rose because they are our best cricketers. I dare you or anyone else to name players that are better than them in PK.They are comparing the actions of Ramiz as head of PCB as this is a discussion about PCB and Pakistan cricket.
Ramiz did exactly the same and he is responsible for rise of power of Babar and Rizwan.
You cannot condemn the one(Naqvi) without the other(Ramiz) for doing the exact same thing.
Before Ramiz, Sethi and Zaka had already played their musical chair from 2011-14. Take a few steps back, and there was Nasim Ashraf, who also allegedly enjoyed the same relations with Musharaf that Naqvi is enjoying from munir.
Take a few more steps back. Tauqir Zia was also made PCB head by Mushi. It's been like this for decades.
Means they can play with 70 SR batting till 30-35 overs chasing 321 and you would be okay with it?Stop this nonsense.They rose because they are our best cricketers. I dare you or anyone else to name players that are better than them in PK.
They are comparing the actions of Ramiz as head of PCB as this is a discussion about PCB and Pakistan cricket.
Ramiz did exactly the same and he is responsible for rise of power of Babar and Rizwan.
You cannot condemn the one(Naqvi) without the other(Ramiz) for doing the exact same thing.
Lol, its always the chairmans. Starting from Najam, Zaka to Mohsin (who is a very capable chairman).
Never Babar, Rizwan, Shaheen saya mafia group or the seeds of Misbah Azhar Ali, Asad Shafiq. The real leeches in the system.
Pakistani fans just suck so hard, they cannot help but politicise everything
Is this a good thing or a bad thing? I just don’t understand. If he is the 2nd most powerful person in Pak then surely he can streamline and execute a lot of the changes for the betterment of the team and administration. This then means that despite having power either he doesn’t know what to do or he does know and understand but as yet there is some master plan than we are not privy to.He is not going anywhere as he is the 2nd most powerful person in Pakistan
Is this a good thing or a bad thing? I just don’t understand. If he is the 2nd most powerful person in Pak then surely he can streamline and execute a lot of the changes for the betterment of the team and administration. This then means that despite having power either he doesn’t know what to do or he does know and understand but as yet there is some master plan than we are not privy to.
Now the things he has done look ok. The grounds are nice. Tournament arranged. PSL looks lie a big draw. But all these things were in the pipeline anyway.
I just don’t see what he has significantly achieved in his few months at the helm. If anything appointments of coaches looks to be a short term sticking plaster.
Is this a good thing or a bad thing? I just don’t understand. If he is the 2nd most powerful person in Pak then surely he can streamline and execute a lot of the changes for the betterment of the team and administration. This then means that despite having power either he doesn’t know what to do or he does know and understand but as yet there is some master plan than we are not privy to.
Now the things he has done look ok. The grounds are nice. Tournament arranged. PSL looks lie a big draw. But all these things were in the pipeline anyway.
I just don’t see what he has significantly achieved in his few months at the helm. If anything appointments of coaches looks to be a short term sticking plaster.
Early on, I thought they were our best cricketers too but then you soon realise that they are risk averse hence the low S/R. The high averages is due to hardly taking any risks and playing against weak bowling line-ups in bilateral tournaments. As soon as they are thrust into ICC tournaments against the best, they falter like a butterfly flying against hurricane winds!Stop this nonsense.They rose because they are our best cricketers. I dare you or anyone else to name players that are better than them in PK.
But the issue is that a domestic scene that is organised by total imbeciles isn't producing talent to keep anyone of the guys on their toes. These guys that played in CT are our best players. Just a plain fact. Lots of anger from the fans but no alternatives.Early on, I thought they were our best cricketers too but then you soon realise that they are risk averse hence the low S/R. The high averages is due to hardly taking any risks and playing against weak bowling line-ups in bilateral tournaments. As soon as they are thrust into ICC tournaments against the best, they falter like a butterfly flying against hurricane winds!
No. It's means that we need better players to push them and kick them out. Look at the 100s of posts but no alternative bar some get that once scored 42 and some obese guy that also fixes matches..Means they can play with 70 SR batting till 30-35 overs chasing 321 and you would be okay with it?
RR was sincere and had the qualifications. Look at his tenure and the disastrous reign of the mafia. Under RR we reached a SF and final, we can't win a game in our home tournament.They are comparing the actions of Ramiz as head of PCB as this is a discussion about PCB and Pakistan cricket.
Ramiz did exactly the same and he is responsible for rise of power of Babar and Rizwan.
You cannot condemn the one(Naqvi) without the other(Ramiz) for doing the exact same thing.
Saim Ayub and Mohammad Haris can replace themNo. It's means that we need better players to push them and kick them out. Look at the 100s of posts but no alternative bar some get that once scored 42 and some obese guy that also fixes matches..
the only reason you like RR is because he was selected by Imran khan don't try to fool people and he's the one who engineered the destruction of Pakistan cricket by given Babar full authority and no accountabilityRR was sincere and had the qualifications. Look at his tenure and the disastrous reign of the mafia. Under RR we reached a SF and final, we can't win a game in our home tournament.
Well Saim was already in the team. So that isn't a replacement and Haris's WK is barely FC from what I have seen.Saim Ayub and Mohammad Haris can replace them
I won't make any comments on issues outside of cricket since I am here to talk about cricket. But tell me how someone can hold Naqvi accountable for the disappointing performance of the cricket team, which is composed of largely the same players who have been part of the squad for quite some time?Ground Reality of Pakistan and Mohsin Naqvi:
- Mohsin Naqvi is the Interior Minister of Pakistan
- Mohsin Naqvi is the Narcotics Minister of Pakistan
- Mohsin Naqvi is the Chairman of PCB
State of Terrorism & Cricket
- Pakistan is now 2nd on the Global Terrorism Index
- Pakistan has climbed 7 positions in Synthetic Narcotics rankings
- Pakistan is 7th in Test rankings in Cricket
- Pakistan is 7th in T20 rankings in Cricket
- Pakistan is 3rd in ODI rankings
I won't make any comments on issues outside of cricket since I am here to talk about cricket. But tell me how someone can hold Naqvi accountable for the disappointing performance of the cricket team, which is composed of largely the same players who have been part of the squad for quite some time?
The argument about having largely the same set of players actually works against Naqvi because, when analyzed systematically, the decline of this "same set of players" is a structural issue rather than an individual one. The very argument being made highlights a drastic downward spiral in performance, which is a collective failure. While individual players are responsible for their own performances, the overall decline is demonstrable, severe, and systemic—and ultimate accountability lies with management, not individuals.Naqvi's vilification is really getting over the top. Your system is out and out needs revamp. He has done a decent job as PCB chairman. We never hear people asking Cricket board chairman to resign for the team's failure like in Pakistan. Guys, ignore your domestic political allegiances and actually focus on the cricket system thats rotten with Nepotism.
Most of your points are fair and make sense. But what i have noticed is the political bias of many pakistani posters here. Pakistan cricket has been a mess for decades, pcb Chairman has always been some politician with multiple hats. Naqvi has actually improved the finances of PCB and tried some changes in stagnant Pakistan cricket.The argument about having largely the same set of players actually works against Naqvi because, when analyzed systematically, the decline of this "same set of players" is a structural issue rather than an individual one. The very argument being made highlights a drastic downward spiral in performance, which is a collective failure. While individual players are responsible for their own performances, the overall decline is demonstrable, severe, and systemic—and ultimate accountability lies with management, not individuals.
It's convenient to avoid discussing non-cricketing issues, but the reality is that this single individual is overseeing multiple critical policy areas, all of which are deteriorating. The fundamental point I’m making is that no single person can effectively manage so many responsibilities at once—this "responsibility overload" is directly contributing to the decline across all areas under their purview.
If we’re discussing cricket, then let’s stick to cricket. The fact remains that this individual cannot continue running cricket alongside managing multiple other policy areas, especially amid a surge in terrorism, with increasingly frequent and deadly attacks affecting nearly half of Pakistan.
From a purely human perspective, they need to either focus solely on cricket or step back from cricket to handle other responsibilities. Anyone who disagrees is either biased or deliberately ignoring the obvious.
This point is not directed towards you, personally.Most of your points are fair and make sense. But what i have noticed is the political bias of many pakistani posters here. Pakistan cricket has been a mess for decades, pcb Chairman has always been some politician with multiple hats. Naqvi has actually improved the finances of PCB and tried some changes in stagnant Pakistan cricket.
The kind of stand mohsin naqvi took against bcci for champions trophy should be commended. Had he belonged to Imran khan's party, pp would have been flooded with praises of the mighty leadership of IK and his lieutenant Naqvi.
Blaming Naqvi, babar, Rizwan, Aaquib is too simplistic and ignores the core issues of Pakistan cricket as a whole. Naqvi has been one your better PCB chairman for the last 20 years. Not like some idiots in the past who ended up paying legal fees to BCCI.
There hasn't been any decline. The group of cricketers were always mediocre with moments of brilliance here and there. Ramiz gave Babar excessive power and created unjustified hype around him and his boys. Pakistan was fortunate to have faced depleted teams during his tenure and also benefited from rain interruptions in the 2022 T20 World Cup, which allowed them to advance past the group stage. But even then, they didn't win anything, not even an Asia Cup. When Ramiz took over, the team with the same group of players, started losing test matches at home. Naqvi has shown the courage in taking on the Nexus which is controlling Pakistan cricket team and has been excessively hyped despite getting below par results consistently.The argument about having largely the same set of players actually works against Naqvi because, when analyzed systematically, the decline of this "same set of players" is a structural issue rather than an individual one. The very argument being made highlights a drastic downward spiral in performance, which is a collective failure. While individual players are responsible for their own performances, the overall decline is demonstrable, severe, and systemic—and ultimate accountability lies with management, not individuals.
It's convenient to avoid discussing non-cricketing issues, but the reality is that this single individual is overseeing multiple critical policy areas, all of which are deteriorating. The fundamental point I’m making is that no single person can effectively manage so many responsibilities at once—this "responsibility overload" is directly contributing to the decline across all areas under their purview.
If we’re discussing cricket, then let’s stick to cricket. The fact remains that this individual cannot continue running cricket alongside managing multiple other policy areas, especially amid a surge in terrorism, with increasingly frequent and deadly attacks affecting nearly half of Pakistan.
From a purely human perspective, they need to either focus solely on cricket or step back from cricket to handle other responsibilities. Anyone who disagrees is either biased or deliberately ignoring the obvious.
Factually incorrect. Pakistan have never competed with India in most fields.This point is not directed towards you, personally.
It is a habit of people in Pakistan to start quoting the past or start drawing comparisons when there is no solid argument to their point.
But quoting the past doesn’t take away from the fact that Mohsin Naqvi cannot hold “key” political positions in the Government along with Chairman of PCB and everything that he is in charge of has been degraded.
- PCB has been a mess for decades.
- The previous Chairpersons of PCB have been incompetent.
- There has been a lot of political interference in the PCB for decades.
There has not been any independent financial Audit (for decades) so there is no solid evidence that Mohsin Naqvi has improved anything financially.
However, there is solid evidence that all the stadium repairs which he oversaw (for Champions Trophy) are now leaking and in disarray.
For me, India is not the shinning example of anything, a population over a billion people and until a few years ago Pakistan was able to compete with India in almost all fields (Sports or otherwise) with significantly less population and resources. India's competition is China and the sooner Pakistanees stop comparing themselves to India, the better. Pakistan doesn't need comparisons with India and fully capable to chart its own course. India is a huge population which is Cricket mad and Bollywood (is a copy/paste machine) and together are some of the reasons behind IPL (and financial windfall).
Good luck to India and Indians and my best wishes but Pakistan is capable of standing on its own.
Mohsin Naqvi is an abject failure in facets of Administration (Cricket or otherwise) and it is dead clear to everyone apart from those with political bias. Even a broken clock is right twice a day so Mohsin Naqvi being right on X or Y is merely coincidental.
All the audited PCB financial reports are available on the website. Please dont make random claims.This point is not directed towards you, personally.
It is a habit of people in Pakistan to start quoting the past or start drawing comparisons when there is no solid argument to their point.
But quoting the past doesn’t take away from the fact that Mohsin Naqvi cannot hold “key” political positions in the Government along with Chairman of PCB and everything that he is in charge of has been degraded.
- PCB has been a mess for decades.
- The previous Chairpersons of PCB have been incompetent.
- There has been a lot of political interference in the PCB for decades.
There has not been any independent financial Audit (for decades) so there is no solid evidence that Mohsin Naqvi has improved anything financially.
Oh put a sock in it…Only a stone rain can stop PCb , they are shameless
His plan was ditched and so was he after WT20 2022 FinalMisbah did this to us
Congratulations Imran Khan, your plan to revamp cricket failed beautifully
Yes. Do Remember us for this moment of your humiliation.So you win a tournament and the first thing that comes in to your mind is not to celebrate but to remember Pakistan.
I like it,
Every child should remember their parents on a big occasion.
what humiliation? Pakistan is not playing here.Yes. Do Remember us for this moment of your humiliation.
But you got played by Jay Shah.what humiliation? Pakistan is not playing here.
Another dumb post by you as usual.But you got played by Jay Shah.
Well its the Pakistanis who will be dumbfounded now by what happened to them?Another dumb post by you as usual.
Again, what has pakistan go to do with india playing a final with nz?Well its the Pakistanis who will be dumbfounded now by what happened to them?
But when India loses to any team you come out drooling and barking?Again, what has pakistan go to do with india playing a final with nz?
instead of celebrating you seem to be humping on pakistans leg.
When India loses. Meaning when India plays a game.But when India loses to any team you come out drooling and barking?
He doesnt have the bada dilMohsin Naqvi not showing up at the final ceremony shows the sort picture of Pakistan cricket and a sore loser mentality that’s grown in them unfortunately.
poor you. LMAOAnother dumb post by you as usual.