"The IPL is a massive competition. It's almost like a second T20 World Cup" : Heinrich Klaasen

[Ab Fan]

It seems AB preferred performing in IPL over performing in international T20s ever again. Australia, England and India weren't even worth his time but Chennai superkings certainly were Hmm

He also feels that the benchmark of IPL is higher than international T20s. Also, he found it too easy in PSL as he averaged 54 there and left because he thought this is some low quality cheap cricket where he shouldn't hang on too long. You know all time greats value higher form of cricket rather than some average tournaments

 

[rhony]

So why doesn't the BCCi allow its players to play in other leagues which will allow them to generate the income to pay high salaries?

It has to do with brand value. Most of the money is generated by Indian viewers in cricket. Most of the Indians watch cricket only if India or Indian players are playing.

That's why every other league will never match the stature of IPL. BCCi won't let their brand value diluted.

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

So why doesn't the BCCi allow its players to play in other leagues which will allow them to generate the income to pay high salaries?

Because BCCI gets all salty when it comes to other leagues? Fans talk about players having a right to earn money etc but they keep mum when people ask about active indian players playing in other leagues. I wonder why?

Now imagine a scenario where one of the indian player who plays in a foreign league skips an international series to play in that league. These same fans will call him a traitor and what not.

 

[rhony]

Yes instead of beating a team from the top 4, above them in the rankings, and clearly not worth their time. They figured they were too good for them anyways.

You don't seem.to get it. It's the world cups and IPL that matter in T20 cricket now. Half the teams don't even play their full strength team in T20I Bilaterals anymore.

 

[Ab Fan]

Who stopped other cricket boards to not allow their player to play franchise leagues outside their country??

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

Have you ever heard of Intellectual Property and copyrights? BCCI dont want to dilute its product by killing its golden goose and by allowing its players to participate in other leagues. It will never happen. We may see Pak players participating in IPL soon or Ind-Pak bilateral series but BCCI allowing Indian players to play other leagues would never happen. Its like shooting on your own feet.

Bhaijaan, if that's the case then they should also not let players who are signed with IPL play in other leagues.

 

[IMMY69]

It has to do with brand value. Most of the money is generated by Indian viewers in cricket. Most of the Indians watch cricket only if India or Indian players are playing.

That's why every other league will never match the stature of IPL. BCCi won't let their brand value diluted.

Oh get over yourself

Two Indians in the cpl and viewership would go up by 100m.

Just Kohli playing would generate 50m extra viewers in a heartbeat. The more viewers the more sponsors and advertising which means more revenue.

 

[IMMY69]

The IPL can never be devalued, not as long as you have a billion cricket mad fans.

 

[rhony]

Bhaijaan, if that's the case then they should also not let players who are signed with IPL play in other leagues.

Hilarious. BCCI doesn't have any contracts with foreign players. In IPL, foreigners have contracts with the IPL teams. Not with BCCI. However, every FC cricketer in India is tied with BCCI. Get it?

 

[rhony]

Oh get over yourself

Two Indians in the cpl and viewership would go up by 100m.

Just Kohli playing would generate 50m extra viewers in a heartbeat. The more viewers the more sponsors and advertising which means more revenue.

More revenue for CPL? Why would BCCI care about that?

 

[IMMY69]

More revenue for CPL? Why would BCCI care about that?

Exactly.

Thank you

 

[rhony]

Oh get over yourself

Two Indians in the cpl and viewership would go up by 100m.

Just Kohli playing would generate 50m extra viewers in a heartbeat. The more viewers the more sponsors and advertising which means more revenue.

Also, which league can actually afford a Kohli or Rohit?

 

[IMMY69]

So even if the IPL is unaffected the Indian Board would prefer to keep its players from playing other leagues as they don't want them to make money.

That is the bottom line

 

[Ab Fan]

Hilarious. BCCI doesn't have any contracts with foreign players. In IPL, foreigners have contracts with the IPL teams. Not with BCCI. However, every FC cricketer in India is tied with BCCI. Get it?

You can't expect sense to prevail in some scenarios. Here is one of them

 

[rhony]

So even if the IPL is unaffected the Indian Board would prefer to keep its players from playing other leagues as they don't want them to make money.

That is the bottom line

It's a weird way to look at it. Why will the IPL be unaffected if the Indian players play other leagues. We just discussed the brand value didn't we?

 

[Rajdeep]

Bhaijaan, if that's the case then they should also not let players who are signed with IPL play in other leagues.

BCCI cant stop players from other nations to play somewhere else. That is their prerogative. But the contracted BCCI players are not permitted to play in other leagues as it will dilute IPL. Imagine Kohli playing for Lahore Qalandars or Rohit for Karachi Kings, the huge Indian viewership for PSL will automatically increase. It will mean bigger money and sponsorship deal for PSL which will mean IPL as a product getting diluted. It will no longer remain a cash cow and exclusive. Mind you BCCI is a business organization and not charity

So Indian players playing in other leagues will never happen as long as they are contracted under BCCI.

 

[TheNightWatchman]

He also feels that the benchmark of IPL is higher than international T20s. Also, he found it too easy in PSL as he averaged 54 there and left because he thought this is some low quality cheap cricket where he shouldn't hang on too long. You know all time greats value higher form of cricket rather than some average tournaments

IPL was too tough for him compared to PSL I agree, I think he averaged a whopping 1 run less in 2018 compared to his PSL stats.
I also agree that he left the international arena behind because he realised Unadkat was more of a challenge to him than those pesky WC Knockout matches he lost because the rest of his team choked, not because it had anything to do with him.
He never said "The pressure of international cricket is too much for me so I'm retiring"...how can it? For him it was too easy. His real challenge was Unadkat all along and for him playing the IPL will always trump a WC victory apparently

 

[IMMY69]

It's a weird way to look at it. Why will the IPL be unaffected if the Indian players play other leagues. We just discussed the brand value didn't we?

Because the IPL will always generate massive viewership

 

[cricketjoshila]

If an English T20 league was franchise based and offered 500k up to 2m for six weeks work won't they players be flocking to it and biging it up to be best thing since sliced bread?

Who stopped the ECB?

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

Hilarious. BCCI doesn't have any contracts with foreign players. In IPL, foreigners have contracts with the IPL teams. Not with BCCI. However, every FC cricketer in India is tied with BCCI. Get it?

It seems I really need to spoon-fed everything to you but anyways, I will try to summarise you everything in this single post. If you still don't learn, then I will suggest you to not quote me with your nonsensical stuffs again.

To begin with, the thread is about IPL which is not an ICC tournament. The administrators are BCCI and a google search would give you this answer before you try to bring an ICC tournament argument in an IPL thread.

Secondly, below is the record of the two men who were in question in ICC World tournaments, i.e. WT20 and ODI World Cup:-

ODI World Cup:-

de Villiers- Runs 1207, Avg 65, S/R 117
Bumrah- Wickets 18, Avg 20, Econ 4.42

T20 World Cup:-

de Villiers- Avg 30, S/R 144

Bumrah played his only WT20 tournament in 2016 which was long back and it was during the start of his career. The next two WT20s will define his overall performance in that format.

Now, based on these stats, what it suggests me that these two have got probably one of the best Average/SR and Average/Economy combo you can ask from any player in ICC World tournaments. So, next time onwards, I suggest you watch some cricket before coming up with your illogical and brainless arguments in any discussion.

Now, I hope you understand that no ICC tournament is bigger than ODI world Cup or T20 World Cup so you don't bring some other lower known ICC tournaments in consideration.

You can't expect sense to prevail in some scenarios. Here is one of them

Surely it shouldn't be too hard for BCCI to stop foreign players from participating in other leagues.

 

[rhony]

Because the IPL will always generate massive viewership

After the first season of IPL, there was a talk of auction again. What that meant was, Dhoni could have been picked up by Punjab instead of staying in Chennai and Sachin could have been picked up by Chennai. The heads that matter decided that it's absurd. The marquee brands need an identity. A specific identity where viewers can associate a certain marquee player with a certain city. That's how you build loyalty. Not by switching around. If they think it's detrimental to brand value if an Indian player is playing for different cities in India, why will they even entertain an idea of the same player playing in a.different league? So, no. Viewership will not be the same if there's no loyalty. People in Chennai don't watch as much if Dhoni played for Pune. There is a city rivalry and only then there's loyalty. Loyalty brings in viewership, and that's brings in ads. Ads get you revenues.

 

[cricketjoshila]

So why doesn't the BCCi allow its players to play in other leagues which will allow them to generate the income to pay high salaries?

Why should BCCI do that? They compensate their players to not play in other leagues.

 

[Ab Fan]

IPL was too tough for him compared to PSL I agree, I think he averaged a whopping 1 run less in 2018 compared to his PSL stats.
I also agree that he left the international arena behind because he realised Unadkat was more of a challenge to him than those pesky WC Knockout matches he lost because the rest of his team choked, not because it had anything to do with him.
He never said "The pressure of international cricket is too much for me so I'm retiring"...how can it? For him it was too easy. His real challenge was Unadkat all along and for him playing the IPL will always trump a WC victory apparently

That match had Jofra Archer also bowling from other end and not just Unadkat

Both World Cup and IPL matters and he performed in both. Undoubtedly, a legend of the game. A 50+ test average, 50+ ODI average at 100+ SR and a 40+ IPL average at strike rate of 150+. Better batsman than any other batsman who ever played for Pakistan

 

[rhony]

So they added the ability to retain players. IPL has evolved over time and will always take advantage of other boards to get maximum revenues. Even 2 to 3 years ago, one wouldn't have imagines foreign players leaving their international games to play in IPL. That's a reality now. End game is IPL getting bigger with more teams, more foreign stars and international calender built around the IPL. Could happen in a decade.

 

[Third Man]

Those comments on that thread about Pakistanis watching the IPL, some fans were like " i don't watch it because no Pakistan players play in it" . Like who cares? The cricketing world doesn't revolve around Pakistan lol. They don't watch the IPL for that reason but will watch a World Cup semi final or final that doesn't involve Pakistan lol.

What? Nobody asked you to care. Nobody said the cricketing world revolves around Pakistan. Some people's cricketing world may revolve around Pakistan and that's great. They don't like IPL because they don't have their favorite cricketers in it. This is nothing to laugh at.

Every season, I watch maybe 2 or 3 matches of IPL and mostly only watch PSL matches that have some young players I'm interested in. It's just how I feel about these tournaments. However, I will definitely enjoy a test match between any two of India, England, and Australia if I have the time.

Just because you like these T20 leagues doesn't mean everyone should.

 

[cricketjoshila]

So even if the IPL is unaffected the Indian Board would prefer to keep its players from playing other leagues as they don't want them to make money.

That is the bottom line

Is BCCI responsible for the finances of other boards?

 

[Napa]

AB is not a sell-out. He has served South African cricket for 14 years and achieved multiple test series wins in Australia, test series wins and draw in several other country. He is not like a Amir or Asif who sold their country just for the sake of money by doing spot fixing. He deserves far more respect and is a legend of the game who has win his country plenty of matches. When a player achieves that much, he has the license to decide when he wants to retire, especially if his country's board is fine with that.

Now, time for you to answer my question. You finally agree that IPL is of higher value than international T20s as five of South Africa's world class players which includes Rabada and de kock preferred IPL over playing a T20 series vs an international standard team who toured SA?

I don't agree.

No point in arguing with Bhaag. He will keep calling IPL things like "paid vacation". Obviously, no player is going to think of work which gets him the largest portion of his income comes from as a "vacation". He is going to give it his best effort.

Bhaag misses a simple point. The people at the IPL franchises who decide to pay millions to particular players, care ONLY ABOUT PERFORMANCE. Sifarish and favoritism has no place as can often happen with national teams. So the players also know they have to give their best effort or they will not get the contract next year.

These things should be so obvious that it is surprising that we have to keep explaining it again and again.

 

[Mesozoic]

IPL was too tough for him compared to PSL I agree, I think he averaged a whopping 1 run less in 2018 compared to his PSL stats.
I also agree that he left the international arena behind because he realised Unadkat was more of a challenge to him than those pesky WC Knockout matches he lost because the rest of his team choked, not because it had anything to do with him.
He never said "The pressure of international cricket is too much for me so I'm retiring"...how can it? For him it was too easy. His real challenge was Unadkat all along and for him playing the IPL will always trump a WC victory apparently

I'm sure you're thinking you're being hilarious with that repeated "Unadkat" remark but you are only coming off as salty and desperate.

IPL also possesses names like Bumrah, Cummins, Archer, Rabada, Bhuvi, Boult, Nortje, Ferguson, Shami etc who are all better than any fast bowler that has ever played in you know what league.

Or maybe you have gone blind to quality fast bowling after watching the likes of Rauf and Musa...

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

What? Nobody asked you to care. Nobody said the cricketing world revolves around Pakistan. Some people's cricketing world may revolve around Pakistan and that's great. They don't like IPL because they don't have their favorite cricketers in it. This is nothing to laugh at.

Every season, I watch maybe 2 or 3 matches of IPL and mostly only watch PSL matches that have some young players I'm interested in. It's just how I feel about these tournaments. However, I will definitely enjoy a test match between any two of India, England, and Australia if I have the time.

Just because you like these T20 leagues doesn't mean everyone should.

Just because their world revolves around IPL they think everyone cares about it.

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

No point in arguing with Bhaag. He will keep calling IPL things like "paid vacation". Obviously, no player is going to think of work which gets him the largest portion of his income comes from as a "vacation". He is going to give it his best effort.

Bhaag misses a simple point. The people at the IPL franchises who decide to pay millions to particular players, care ONLY ABOUT PERFORMANCE. Sifarish and favoritism has no place as can often happen with national teams. So the players also know they have to give their best effort or they will not get the contract next year.

These things should be so obvious that it is surprising that we have to keep explaining it again and again.

Same logic : No point in arguing with IPL fans. They will keep worshipping it and will never listen to opinions different than theirs.

 

[TheNightWatchman]

I'm sure you're thinking you're being hilarious with that repeated "Unadkat" remark but you are only coming off as salty and desperate.

IPL also possesses names like Bumrah, Cummins, Archer, Rabada, Bhuvi, Boult, Nortje, Ferguson, Shami etc who are all better than any fast bowler that has ever played in you know what league.

Or maybe you have gone blind to quality fast bowling after watching the likes of Rauf and Musa...

This isn't a PSL thing. It's not an IPL thing. League cricket can never ever trump international cricket as much as you try to convince yourself of IPL being up to international standards.

 

[CricketCartoons]

This isn't a PSL thing. It's not an IPL thing. League cricket can never ever trump international cricket as much as you try to convince yourself of IPL being up to international standards.

It is not a league thing. it is not an international thing. It is the quality of players which determines the standards of the game. IPL teams, with 4 top quality international players, along with 2-3 first choice indian national team players has high standards better than most international teams.

 

[TheNightWatchman]

Here's where I think IPL is really good. It gets explayers as coaches and players get to learn things from players of different countries and the coaches too, which I find interesting. For instance Ponting who coaches DC, easily dissected Shaws technical deficiencies in the test matches vs Australia. These players have accessability to some of the best of their time and can take advantage of it

 

[TheNightWatchman]

It is not a league thing. it is not an international thing. It is the quality of players which determines the standards of the game. IPL teams, with 4 top quality international players, along with 2-3 first choice indian national team players has high standards better than most international teams.

Sure but do you think those players give it their all playing these games or training for them as opposed to games in international tournaments?

 

[rhony]

Here's where I think IPL is really good. It gets explayers as coaches and players get to learn things from players of different countries and the coaches too, which I find interesting. For instance Ponting who coaches DC, easily dissected Shaws technical deficiencies in the test matches vs Australia. These players have accessability to some of the best of their time and can take advantage of it

That SA kid in the Mumbai team has Trent Boult and Zaheer khan to teach him. And he bowled the last over in the opening game of the IPL between two gun teams. Good training, experience the pressure situation. I'm sure he's a better player now compared to just 2 days ago. He did well with hundreds of millions watching him bowl the critical over. He can't get that even if he plays for SA national team at 20.

 

[CricketCartoons]

Sure but do you think those players give it their all playing these games or training for them as opposed to games in international tournaments?

That also depends. Do you think England with their rotation policy were giving their all?

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

That SA kid in the Mumbai team has Trent Boult and Zaheer khan to teach him. And he bowled the last over in the opening game of the IPL between two gun teams. Good training, experience the pressure situation. I'm sure he's a better player now compared to just 2 days ago. He did well with hundreds of millions watching him bowl the critical over. He can't get that even if he plays for SA national team at 20.

SA kid? Is this IPL or SAPL? I am pretty sure you still can't name 13 Indian national players unearthed by IPL in the last 13 years.

 

[OMB]

Sure but do you think those players give it their all playing these games or training for them as opposed to games in international tournaments?

I always believed that the Professional players give it their all. Always. They do it for national team and for franchises for different reasons but commitment is same.

 

[TheNightWatchman]

That SA kid in the Mumbai team has Trent Boult and Zaheer khan to teach him. And he bowled the last over in the opening game of the IPL between two gun teams. Good training, experience the pressure situation. I'm sure he's a better player now compared to just 2 days ago. He did well with hundreds of millions watching him bowl the critical over. He can't get that even if he plays for SA national team at 20.

See I'm not doubting that IPL is a good learning curve for a lot of players. I see why players would say it's good quality cricket and what not and I'm sure it's helped some of the best players around today no doubt. Brilliant minds together. How much you can learn from each other.
BUT
Ultimately that performance will want to be replicated in the international arena. Because face it. International cricket is the be all end all. And as good as the IPL maybe, international is a whole different ball game, pressure and performance wise. International tournaments cannot be compared to IPL is my point.
A kid born in Chennai would love to play and win IPL for CSK sure, but his ultimate goal would be to win a WC for India. The stakes are just higher and when the stakes are high that's when you see real real quality cricket.

 

[Rohan]

Wow, Pant captained DC today. Nice progress by him after so much criticism.

 

[rhony]

See I'm not doubting that IPL is a good learning curve for a lot of players. I see why players would say it's good quality cricket and what not and I'm sure it's helped some of the best players around today no doubt. Brilliant minds together. How much you can learn from each other.
BUT
Ultimately that performance will want to be replicated in the international arena. Because face it. International cricket is the be all end all. And as good as the IPL maybe, international is a whole different ball game, pressure and performance wise. International tournaments cannot be compared to IPL is my point.
A kid born in Chennai would love to play and win IPL for CSK sure, but his ultimate goal would be to win a WC for India. The stakes are just higher and when the stakes are high that's when you see real real quality cricket.

And you think they don't want to play in a world cup? Even Messi who couldnt care less about Argentina is desperate to win the WC with Arg. IPL is the best preparation for international cricket. And they all.dream to.win a WC. Most international games are crap unless they are played between good teams. Even when good teams play, some games are one sided. For example in the recent T20 series between top 2 teams Eng and Ind, there were 3 one side games. Comprehensive wins. In international cricket, the team selection is limited based on the talent available in that country. In IPL they can pick anybody so the games are closer.

 

[rhony]

SA kid? Is this IPL or SAPL? I am pretty sure you still can't name 13 Indian national players unearthed by IPL in the last 13 years.

I'm sure you know the kid's name. I'm also sure you watched the entire game. Your posts were always funny but these days they are entertaining too. For a guy who hates IPL, u watch it and u also linger a lot in the IPL threads.

 

[Oxfordchamp]

Each and every budding and active cricketer wants to be part of IPL and play in it. It helps their game enormously apart from obvious financial benefits and getting to play with the best in the world. That's an absolute undeniable fact. Many cricketers including Eoin Morgan who admitted this fact recently. It is natural for Pakistanis to downplay IPL especially since their players are the only ones not invited to the party but that's a harsh fact for them.

 

[Oxfordchamp]

The World T20 world cup is coming up and most of the first choice 11 players of all top teams are all playing in the IPL. Some teams and players give it more importance and play in it by even skipping bilaterals for their national team. Last year England rested their players for t20s against Pakistan so that they can play in the IPL and now SA is doing the same.

 

[rhony]

SA kid? Is this IPL or SAPL? I am pretty sure you still can't name 13 Indian national players unearthed by IPL in the last 13 years.

And this is precisely why u don't "get it" for the most part. Indian doemaric cricket has become robust in the last 2 decades is identifying talent. They are groomed well. To be an international cricketer, you need to prove yourself. What IPL did was add another layer to it and make the players match ready. It also provided a platform for fringe players to showcase their worth. In rare cases it has unearthed talent that first class cricket failed to do so. Like India's best all format bowler in Bumrah.

I'll tell you why it's dumb to think IPL will unearth players once a year. Even first class cricket doesn't produce one new international cricketer a year. So, being able to name 13 players for 13 IPL years is just immature thought.

Gone are the days of Sujeet Somasundar, a domestic stalwart batting like a deer in head lights against Alan Donald. IPL players get to face the best international bowlers even thought they haven't played international games yet. So, they are ready.

 

[rhony]

I could have simply asked to name 50 world class bowlers that Indian domestic cricket has created in the last 70 years. But I didn't because it's just dumb. Indian bowling has been crap for decades and the current bowling is at least decent and for large part because of IPL. So, learn this stuff. It will only help.

 

[Oxfordchamp]

And this is precisely why u don't "get it" for the most part. Indian doemaric cricket has become robust in the last 2 decades is identifying talent. They are groomed well. To be an international cricketer, you need to prove yourself. What IPL did was add another layer to it and make the players match ready. It also provided a platform for fringe players to showcase their worth. In rare cases it has unearthed talent that first class cricket failed to do so. Like India's best all format bowler in Bumrah.

I'll tell you why it's dumb to think IPL will unearth players once a year. Even first class cricket doesn't produce one new international cricketer a year. So, being able to name 13 players for 13 IPL years is just immature thought.

Gone are the days of Sujeet Somasundar, a domestic stalwart batting like a deer in head lights against Alan Donald. IPL players get to face the best international bowlers even thought they haven't played international games yet. So, they are ready.

Pakpassion is a generous forum that entertains dumb questions. And u ask a lot of them. The only complaint rest of us have is you never learn.

To add to this check out Ashwins youtube channel interviews. He says he got into India team by playing for CSK and getting noticed by Dhoni.

 

[Rohan]

I could have simply asked to name 50 world class bowlers that Indian domestic cricket has created in the last 70 years. But I didn't because it's just dumb. Indian bowling has been crap for decades and the current bowling is at least decent and for large part because of IPL. So, learn this stuff. It will only help.

Plus, IPL is not created with the purpose of unearthing players for international cricket. It’s main idea is to entertain and revenue generation, which it has filled with flying colors. If some players are polishing their skills here prior to playing in internationals is a bonus.

Selection criteria to get into Indian XI is totally dependent on domestic performances, there may be an exception here and there.

How difficult it to understand for some posters is beyond anyone’s logic. Or do those posters have a special agenda?

 

[Bhaijaan]

Anyone still arguing against IPL in 2021 hasn't aged well as a cricket fan.

 

[jiduguravindra]

Lol baloney. You think someone like Warner really cares about Hyderabad (or whomever he plays for) winning or losing?

Lol.. U have taken wrong example here. Warner have been more loyal and infact gives 110% percent while playing fir srh than playing for aus. U can check his stats in ipl over the years, if he cares less he could have not performed that well.

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

And this is precisely why u don't "get it" for the most part. Indian doemaric cricket has become robust in the last 2 decades is identifying talent. They are groomed well. To be an international cricketer, you need to prove yourself. What IPL did was add another layer to it and make the players match ready. It also provided a platform for fringe players to showcase their worth. In rare cases it has unearthed talent that first class cricket failed to do so. Like India's best all format bowler in Bumrah.

I'll tell you why it's dumb to think IPL will unearth players once a year. Even first class cricket doesn't produce one new international cricketer a year. So, being able to name 13 players for 13 IPL years is just immature thought.

Gone are the days of Sujeet Somasundar, a domestic stalwart batting like a deer in head lights against Alan Donald. IPL players get to face the best international bowlers even thought they haven't played international games yet. So, they are ready.

Just name the 13 Indian players unearthed by IPL in the last 13 years and end this debate. Why is it so hard for you?

 

[TheNightWatchman]

And you think they don't want to play in a world cup? Even Messi who couldnt care less about Argentina is desperate to win the WC with Arg. IPL is the best preparation for international cricket. And they all.dream to.win a WC. Most international games are crap unless they are played between good teams. Even when good teams play, some games are one sided. For example in the recent T20 series between top 2 teams Eng and Ind, there were 3 one side games. Comprehensive wins. In international cricket, the team selection is limited based on the talent available in that country. In IPL they can pick anybody so the games are closer.

The conversation was about comparing it to a T20 WC. Close matches and entertainment is something else. When you play international cricket it is the highest level you can be playing at even if some matches may be one sided every now and then. International cricket is still top dog and a match between Aus and SA will always hold more weight than Sunrisers vs MI

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

I'm sure you know the kid's name. I'm also sure you watched the entire game. Your posts were always funny but these days they are entertaining too. For a guy who hates IPL, u watch it and u also linger a lot in the IPL threads.

FYI I haven't watched and commented on any IPL match thread here ever. I know it is hard for you to digest this fact. Discussing IPL's side effects and discussing it in the match thread are two different things. Learn the difference.

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

Plus, IPL is not created with the purpose of unearthing players for international cricket. It’s main idea is to entertain and revenue generation, which it has filled with flying colors. If some players are polishing their skills here prior to playing in internationals is a bonus.

Selection criteria to get into Indian XI is totally dependent on domestic performances, there may be an exception here and there.

How difficult it to understand for some posters is beyond anyone’s logic. Or do those posters have a special agenda?

Lol what? You can find many posts here giving credit to IPL for Indian performances in recent years and also taking the credit for finding many young talents. I am just asking those guys to name the talents unearthed by IPL. It is not that hard.

 

[Hasan123]

What? Nobody asked you to care. Nobody said the cricketing world revolves around Pakistan. Some people's cricketing world may revolve around Pakistan and that's great. They don't like IPL because they don't have their favorite cricketers in it. This is nothing to laugh at.

Every season, I watch maybe 2 or 3 matches of IPL and mostly only watch PSL matches that have some young players I'm interested in. It's just how I feel about these tournaments. However, I will definitely enjoy a test match between any two of India, England, and Australia if I have the time.

Just because you like these T20 leagues doesn't mean everyone should.

Pakistan fans don't watch the IPL or don't like it but spend a lot of time putting it down and mocking players and pundits who rate it highly.

It's not about favourite cricketers. The best players in the world play in the IPL. So if you and others don't enjoy that, there is something wrong with you.

 

[rhony]

To add to this check out Ashwins youtube channel interviews. He says he got into India team by playing for CSK and getting noticed by Dhoni.

At the end of the day it's a fool's argument. When you say Player X got picked into team because of IPL, they will say he played first class and age group cricket first.

If you show interviews of the players themselves crediting IPL , they will say blah they want to get IPL contracts.

As they say, argue with the wise, argue with the unwise, but never argue with unwise that acts wise.

 

[IMMY69]

Pakistan fans don't watch the IPL or don't like it but spend a lot of time putting it down and mocking players and pundits who rate it highly.

It's not about favourite cricketers. The best players in the world play in the IPL. So if you and others don't enjoy that, there is something wrong with you.

I'm watching it now.
It's not good

 

[rhony]

The conversation was about comparing it to a T20 WC. Close matches and entertainment is something else. When you play international cricket it is the highest level you can be playing at even if some matches may be one sided every now and then. International cricket is still top dog and a match between Aus and SA will always hold more weight than Sunrisers vs MI

A match between Aus and SA doesn't hold more weight than Sunrisers vs MI? It's subjective. More people watch the Sunrisers vs MI than Aus vs SA. There are two world class bowlers in Aus vs SA. Rabada and Nortje. As far as batsmen go, there's Finch, Warner, De Kock and that's it. Rest are average and just above average.

This is the list of world class players in SRH vs MI - Rohit, Warner, Bairstow, Williamson, De Kock, Bumrah, Boult, BK, Rasheed Khan. You get the gist

 

[Rajdeep]

Kane Williamson is benched today and Steve Smith last night. Show me a tournament with such pedigree....I will wait.

Yes I am aware of the 4 foreign player rule but the amount of stars playing together in IPL is only seconded by T20 world cup.

We can twist it in any way and try to be as much salty as we want but its a fact. I just hope sanity and peace prevails and we get to see Pakistani players in IPL too. How many would made it...thats for another thread.

 

[Ab Fan]

Kane Williamson is benched today and Steve Smith last night. Show me a tournament with such pedigree....I will wait.

Yes I am aware of the 4 foreign player rule but the amount of stars playing together in IPL is only seconded by T20 world cup.

We can twist it in any way and try to be as much salty as we want but its a fact. I just hope sanity and peace prevails and we get to see Pakistani players in IPL too. How many would made it...thats for another thread.

IPL is the World Series Cricket of T20 format. All great elite players play only in this tournament. WSC at that time was arguably as good as international cricket and same is the case with IPL today which is as good as world T20s.

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

I think IPL can be called an extended version of Hong Kong Sixes with international player rules. Nobody used to take those seriously. Or if you are still serious you can compare it to something like Road Safety series where legends like Sachin and Lara played. I think it was also as good as T20 World Cup.

 

[Ab Fan]

So, the usual suspect had as usual no answer to my stats of ABD and Bumrah on World Cup knockouts.

Bumrah 1-38(10 overs) in WC semi 2019

AB 65*(45) in WC semi 2015 , S/R 140 and not out.

So, this according to him is a failure in World Cup knockout and look how cleverly he sidelined the argument ripping stats..

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

So, the usual suspect had as usual no answer to my stats of ABD and Bumrah on World Cup knockouts.

Bumrah 1-38(10 overs) in WC semi 2019

AB 65*(45) in WC semi 2015 , S/R 140 and not out.

So, this according to him is a failure in World Cup knockout and look how cleverly he sidelined the argument ripping stats..

Obviously why would you mention 2016 T20 World Cup semi final or ICC CT 2017 final for Bumrah? And lol has AB D only played one knockout match in his entire career? You yourself confessed that he chokes in IPL too so why are you again bringing this up?

 

[Rohan]

So, the usual suspect had as usual no answer to my stats of ABD and Bumrah on World Cup knockouts.

Bumrah 1-38(10 overs) in WC semi 2019

AB 65*(45) in WC semi 2015 , S/R 140 and not out.

So, this according to him is a failure in World Cup knockout and look how cleverly he sidelined the argument ripping stats..

AB bhai let it go. He even defended Aqib Javed's nonsensical statement in other thread and bloated how he could screw opposition (India) by his statements and without taking 7fers anymore. He never misses any chances to belittle India or Indian cricketers' performances.

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

Main thing which some people here in this thread are talking about is the quality of cricket in Big International Tournaments and IPL. Point is not to demean Bumrah/AB D. They are just examples of how even the best players can get under pressure in big matches in International Cricket. But I am expecting some usual suspects to deliberately take this thread to somewhere else.

I have nothing against Bumrah though. I like him as a bowler but want him to remain always fit and available for International matches. He can always improve his stats in knock outs and finals. Usual suspects should relax and try to understand the point being put. Once again the main point being raised is the quality of IPL vs International Tournaments like World Cup.

As far as AB is concerned. Everyone knows he is a choker.

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

AB bhai let it go. He even defended Aqib Javed's nonsensical statement in other thread and bloated how he could screw opposition (India) by his statements and without taking 7fers anymore. He never misses any chances to belittle India or Indian cricketers' performances.

What is Aaqib Javed doing in this thread?

I didn't defend him. I asked you to ignore his statements since you were getting hurt there. Don't make up stuff like this.

 

[CrIc_Mystique]

Quote Immy "You were doing well when you said IPL is a top class T20 competition which it is due to the money generated from it and they wages paid to players. However, better then a bi lateral series?
Come on man, how can supporting the Delhi Daredevils or Mumbai Kings compare with say India playing the Aussies? For that matter even when India plays a minnow team??? "

Maybe I'm just being to cynical but when I see from players, coaches to commentators speaking about a T20 league, doesn't have to be just IPL, I think my god what these guys will do and say for money.

I watched a bit of today's game and honestly watching AB bat made me almost feel sick.
Here's a guy who is so talented and he gave up playing for his country maybe three or four years prematurely... so we missed out watching him at the World Cup and then again all the various bi lateral series..

Than I see Bumrah running in and thought don't burn yourself out mate.

To watch them make such sacrifices for the money to play in a format that we would have out colts play in club cricket in the 80's just seems wrong.

I think you know where I'm going with this.

Immy bro...I 100 pc with you. The thrill of a Gill facing Cummins or Anderson or SSA in india colours is any day > than whatzhis name playing for the Bombay bagsnatchers against the Delhi dhakkanwaalas or the Punjab pickpockets the Islamabad idontknowwhatthefridge in an international T20 league, end of the day its money entertainment and one match meshes into another with their same paint accident spill inspired uniforms, screeching commies and artificial hype. All I care about IPL is spotting any new talent for india and hopefully it does not burnout our guys for the most important WTC finals and the ardous eng tour coming up.
End of the day everyone remembers your performances in internationals, tests etc....the IPL starts, everyone rememb ers the first match and the finals, the middle is a blur.
Am not against IPL but the labeling of this as some sort of 'up there' and ' the second coming of modern cricket' or 'its fantastically good for the game' - lets cut some slack and keep it reasonable, shall we?
cheers

 

[Smudger]

How can a "World Cup" not involve even a single country. IPL is more like a India Cup.

 

[Abu_Hamza]

From next year IPL will have 10 teams means the carnival will go for three months. After some years it will have 12 teams and then 14, 16, 18 , 20 and so on. So there will be 6 months of IPL and remaining 6 months will have CPL, BPL, BBL, LPL , PSL, The Hundred and INT. CRICKET.

 

[Rajdeep]

From next year IPL will have 10 teams means the carnival will go for three months. After some years it will have 12 teams and then 14, 16, 18 , 20 and so on. So there will be 6 months of IPL and remaining 6 months will have CPL, BPL, BBL, LPL , PSL, The Hundred and INT. CRICKET.

Nope IPL time frame will remain the same. There will be more double headers to accomodate extra games.

 

[Saj]

In a strange way the players leaving for IPL may help South African cricket.

It means they have to play a second string team and some of those guys will step up and show the selectors how good they are, when they probably wouldn't have had the chance if the IPL guys were still around.

 

[CRIC_FANtastic]

I think IPL can be called an extended version of Hong Kong Sixes with international player rules. Nobody used to take those seriously. Or if you are still serious you can compare it to something like Road Safety series where legends like Sachin and Lara played. I think it was also as good as T20 World Cup.

You can call whatever makes you happy. I am sure IPL does not care as long as best players in the world are lining up to play and BCCI continues to make truck load of money.

 

[Napa]

Surely it shouldn't be too hard for BCCI to stop foreign players from participating in other leagues.

They can... just like the NBA won't allow any of their players to play in any other league.

But these things take time. About a decade ago ABD wrote about his amazement at being paid $300,000.

"De Villiers also wrote about his amazement when he was told that he had been bought by the Delhi Daredevils for USD 300,000 per year in a three-year deal. “Really? Are you sure there isn’t one nought too many?” he queried."

https://www.cricketcountry.com/news/ab-de-villiers-cricket-south-africa-supported-ipl-concept-519783

Now we have top players getting $2M+ per year. A decade from now, we shouldn't be surprised if they get $5M+. At that point, IPL will pretty much be able to dictate terms.

 

[Oxfordchamp]

In a strange way the players leaving for IPL may help South African cricket.

It means they have to play a second string team and some of those guys will step up and show the selectors how good they are, when they probably wouldn't have had the chance if the IPL guys were still around.

It's a wIn win win situation for SA cricket. They make money by sending their main guys to IPL and being in the good books of BCCI. Make money by hosting Pakistan during IPL and lastly also benefit by playing their second string players and helping them gain valuable experience.

 

[The Bald Eagle]

Klaasen showed his super class today against KKR in IPL 2024, hit 8 sixes to accumulate a score of 63(29) before getting dismissed.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1771597427306365255

 

[sweep_shot]

From next year IPL will have 10 teams means the carnival will go for three months. After some years it will have 12 teams and then 14, 16, 18 , 20 and so on. So there will be 6 months of IPL and remaining 6 months will have CPL, BPL, BBL, LPL , PSL, The Hundred and INT. CRICKET.

If this happens, I think many may lose interest in cricket.

 

[Slim]

Another day, another sell out money hungry saffer trying to over-hype IPL. Absolute clown stuff. They think the people are idiots lmao

You cannot get the white english, australian or kiwi to say it so you get the cheaper poorer more money hungry saffer

 

[Statpadder Inc]

Another day, another sell out money hungry saffer trying to over-hype IPL. Absolute clown stuff. They think the people are idiots lmao

You cannot get the white english, australian or kiwi to say it so you get the cheaper poorer more money hungry saffer

And saffer players earn more than pakistani players, so who's really poor?

There's no need to hype the ipl, it's the biggest league with the best players, the kind of players who wouldn't even look the psl.

It looks the psl needs to start paying someone to hype (that's if they can) because that 3rd league has even fallen behind the wpl lol.

the ipl is going to get even bigger and richer and there's nothing you can do about it

 

[Slim]

And saffer players earn more than pakistani players, so who's really poor?

There's no need to hype the ipl, it's the biggest league with the best players, the kind of players who wouldn't even look the psl.

It looks the psl needs to start paying someone to hype (that's if they can) because that 3rd league has even fallen behind the wpl lol.

the ipl is going to get even bigger and richer and there's nothing you can do about it

Who said ipl cannot be bigger and richer but passing statements like ABD and Klassen calls for seeking professional medical help.

 

[Rana]

I remember people here arguing with me that Rizwan is a better T20 keeper batsman than Klaasen

Some people will never learn