The Jasprit Bumrah workload myth: Is opting out of the 2nd Test against England justified?

[straighttalk]

So when stats fail..they are arguing just because he is rested he ain't a good bowler..lmao such a logic..just say he didn't get that many wickets or was injury prone.. how is that related to his impact and this is the first time he is rested.

 

[Sachin fan]

So when stats fail..they are arguing just because he is rested he ain't a good bowler..lmao such a logic..just say he didn't get that many wickets or was injury prone.. how is that related to his impact and this is the first time he is rested.

I will respond with what I wrote in the other thread as it's more suited here

Managing fast bowlers is how you ensure you have an good bench of bowlers and that your bowlers have a long career.

Australia and South Africa has been doing this for long. India have not which is why we lose a lot of promising bowlers to injury

This is not the 90s with less cricket played where bowlers can keep bowling unless you are smooth action like Anderson.

Its weird most of the criticism is coming from a country where not a single fast bowler has managed to take 200 wickets for many decades.

The fact that India has managed bumrah with all his injuries to be near 250 test wickets and still counting means they are doing something right.

We don't want bumrah to end up like Afridi or Naseem or any of the Pak fast bowlers who come with a bang and then in a year or 2 start trundling ineffectively because they were mis managed and don't have great careers.

Instead of learning how to manage fast bowlers from India, Pak fans are taking the wrong lessons and attacking

Maybe the country which has a 19 averaging bowler nearing 250 wickets despite an injury prone action, and which has won many overseas matches recently through bowling is doing it right and you, which does not have a single test fast bowlers take 200 wickets for many decades is doing it wrong?

Maybe?

 

[captain.hansolo]

I reckon England might have ended Bumrah’s Test career.

you need to reckon a lot less.

 

[BouncerGuy]

Bumrah just leave test cricket... His fitness issues make him less worthy to play this format... He is a good bowler but injury is not gonna help him here.

 

[Rafale Nidhal Fan]

Bumrah is a part-timer.

 

[MP2011]

Not sure why should anyone else have stomach ache when Indians themselves are fine with Bumrah missing a few games.

However, one thing I don't agree with is Bumrah playing all IPL games (except when he is injured). Don't think he is short of cash so he must try to prolong his international career.

 

[Sachin fan]

Bumrah just leave test cricket... His fitness issues make him less worthy to play this format... He is a good bowler but injury is not gonna help him here.

Yes a bowler nearing 250 test wickets with a 19 average is less worthy of tests. He should be averaging 35+ like the great Naseem.

Come on

 

[Sachin fan]

Not sure why should anyone else have stomach ache when Indians themselves are fine with Bumrah missing a few games.

However, one thing I don't agree with is Bumrah playing all IPL games (except when he is injured). Don't think he is short of cash so he must try to prolong his international career.

You know exactly why they are having stomach ache. Their entire world view was destroyed when bumrah SENA numbers against wasim, waqar and imran were shown here

From that time they have been crying non stop about bumrah everywhere

The variety of these Bumrah threads have been hilarious, it went from India cannot win without bumrah to bumrah makes others bowl bad to india doesn't win with bumrah to crying about bumrah being rested.

And mind you, this is all coming from a country which hasn't had a single fast bowler with 200 test wickets in many many decades

So we know exactly why the stomach ache, it's jealousy.

 

[Ab Fan]

Bumrah is already an all time great of the game even if he retires now. He has operated in a simply different league to other fast bowlers of this era across all formats and that too when you have a quality of Cummins or Rabada available.

 

[BouncerGuy]

Yes a bowler nearing 250 test wickets with a 19 average is less worthy of tests. He should be averaging 35+ like the great Naseem.

Come on

His injury prone body does not make his worthy to play test cricket... He might get injured big time and his career could be over...

 

[straighttalk]

Not sure why should anyone else have stomach ache when Indians themselves are fine with Bumrah missing a few games.

However, one thing I don't agree with is Bumrah playing all IPL games (except when he is injured). Don't think he is short of cash so he must try to prolong his international career.

This is a good criticism

 

[BreadPakoda]

Not sure why should anyone else have stomach ache when Indians themselves are fine with Bumrah missing a few games.

Jealousy. It’s natural. Their best in the last 10 years is Shaheen. Someone who wont even get into the Indian side.

 

[DeadlyVenom]

Not sure why should anyone else have stomach ache when Indians themselves are fine with Bumrah missing a few games.

However, one thing I don't agree with is Bumrah playing all IPL games (except when he is injured). Don't think he is short of cash so he must try to prolong his international career.

When Indians label a bowler the greatest of all time then other teams fans will chip in with their inputs.

 

[MP2011]

When Indians label a bowler the greatest of all time then other teams fans will chip in with their inputs.

Casting aspersions on someone's integrity isn't passing inputs.

Just because you don't like a particular cricketer doesn't mean you indulge in meaningless and clueless criticism.

 

[MP2011]

Be critical of him all you want, but be constructive. Do not accuse him of something which he may not even have any idea about

 

[BreadPakoda]

When Indians label a bowler the greatest of all time then other teams fans will chip in with their inputs.

Not just Indians. Just watched the Overlap cricket podcast episode uploaded a few hours back. Even Bumble and Tuffnel called him the best fast bowler they’ve ever seen.

Here’s another one 9 months ago.

You get Bumble’s answer in the first 25 seconds.

I don’t have an answer right now. Haven’t thought about this hard enough. But a lot of non Indians rate him as the best.

 

[BreadPakoda]

^ Kimber says it’s easier to find a McGrath. Same video.

Based on a super quick search.

Here’s Finn: called him the most complete fast bowler ever to play the game

Jasprit Bumrah: India star is most complete fast bowler in history - Steven Finn

Former England bowler Steven Finn explains why India superstar Jasprit Bumrah is the most complete fast bowler of all time after he takes 5-83 in the first Test.

www.bbc.com

NYT: Called him an ATG

Jasprit Bumrah: England witnesses a rare talent at the peak of his powers

What is it like to face one of the all-time great bowlers? The Athletic speaks to some cricketers who have

www.nytimes.com

Clarke: best ever all format fast bowler

Clarke lauds Bumrah as 'the best ever' all-format quick

The former Australia captain believes that with a handful more runs and a fit Bumrah could have taken India to victory at the SCG | ESPN.com

www.espn.com

Similar opinions / high praise:

Travis Head: One of the greatest ever

India’s Jasprit Bumrah hailed as ‘one of the greatest fast bowlers ever’

'It's going to be nice to look back at your career and tell the grandkids that you faced him,' Head says of Bumrah.

www.aljazeera.com

Wisden called Bumrah’s 2024 as the best year ever for a bowler. Ever. And not just for a fast bowler. For any bowler.

Is Jasprit Bumrah's 2024 The Best Year Ever For A Bowler In History?

Jasprit Bumrah’s near-absurd 2024 is not merely his best but may go down as one of the greatest calendar-year bowling performances of all time.

www.wisden.com

Ponting: Best series for a fast bowler he’s seen in his life

Ponting on Bumrah: "Probably the best series of fast bowling I've ever seen" | ICC World Test Championship | ICC

The Indian pace spearhead returned with 32 wickets from the five Tests in Australia, finishing as the Player of the Series.

www.icc-cricket.com

 

[BreadPakoda]

“I remember AB de Villiers (former South Africa batter) telling me Bumrah was the one bowler he’s faced where he didn’t know where the ball was going. AB was always ahead of all bowlers, but Bumrah was the one guy that he didn’t know what was coming. He could bowl anything.” Moeen Ali (NYT article)

 

[BouncerGuy]

Bumrah's only issue is injury injury-prone body... It will never allow him to play all games without any risk of injury.

 

[DeadlyVenom]

Not just Indians. Just watched the Overlap cricket podcast episode uploaded a few hours back. Even Bumble and Tuffnel called him the best fast bowler they’ve ever seen.

Here’s another one 9 months ago.

You get Bumble’s answer in the first 25 seconds.

I don’t have an answer right now. Haven’t thought about this hard enough. But a lot of non Indians rate him as the best.

They are entitled to his opinion and it reinforce my point further. He is a hot topic for all cricket fans not just Indians.

 

[DeadlyVenom]

Casting aspersions on someone's integrity isn't passing inputs.

Just because you don't like a particular cricketer doesn't mean you indulge in meaningless and clueless criticism.

Brother you have basically said similar things but in polite terms regarding your wish that he plays less IPL and more test. Some people may have used more harsh terminology

 

[Devadwal]

MCG.
Lord’s.
Eden Gardens.
Cape Town.
Gabba.
Perth.
Jamaica.

Jasprit Bumrah has fifers at most of the iconic Venues.

16th Fifer for the GOAT.

Takh nah

 

[Devadwal]

BUMRAH TO PLAY MORE ODI THAN T20I.

According to PTO report , Jasprit Bumrah is likely to play more ODI matches instead of T20I series over the next 18 months to ensure his preparations for 2027 ODI World Cup remain on track.

bcci is protecting the biggest asset... we need him 100% fit for 2027.

 

[Suleiman]

One of the best heel turns of all time on Pakpassion @shaz619 @RedwoodOriginal

 

[Sachin fan]

Bumrah's only issue is injury injury-prone body... It will never allow him to play all games without any risk of injury.

Brother you have basically said similar things but in polite terms regarding your wish that he plays less IPL and more test. Some people may have used more harsh terminology

Hazlewood and Cummins missed entire ashes, rabada missed a lot of important series recently, why is only Bumrah singled out?

Bumrah is the bowler who has bowled one of the most number of balls the past decade

 

[shah9425]

So far he has been effective with his managed workload

 

[Romali_rotti]

Bumrah shouldn't be playing T20 imo, he already is king of kings in that format. Just focus on only test matches, end the career with 300 plus wickets at an average of 19 and BAaaMM he is goated as the greatest...

 

[kron]

Bumrah shouldn't be playing T20 imo, he already is king of kings in that format. Just focus on only test matches, end the career with 300 plus wickets at an average of 19 and BAaaMM he is goated as the greatest...

But money is in t20

Why break backs for test?

I say quit odi
Useless dead format. Quit after winning 2027 WC and just focus on wtc tests and t20 WC only.

Plus play IPl

Quit useless odi

He can play till 37 that way. Get to 300 wickets and help us win a series hopefully in nz or SA

One series win in either and he is goated as top 3 test goat. Right now already top 6 test goat

He is the ultimate all format goat.

And in odi too he is easily top 7

 

[sweep_shot]

He has a very light workload. He is pampered like a trophy wife.

This is why he cannot be an ATG even if his action is legal (which I doubt).

A real ATG would have great fitness, have 400+ wickets, and have a huge workload. Bowlers like Starc, McGrath, Wasim, Walsh are genuine ATGs for a reason.

 

[shah9425]

But money is in t20

Why break backs for test?

I say quit odi
Useless dead format. Quit after winning 2027 WC and just focus on wtc tests and t20 WC only.

Plus play IPl

Quit useless odi

He can play till 37 that way. Get to 300 wickets and help us win a series hopefully in nz or SA

One series win in either and he is goated as top 3 test goat. Right now already top 6 test goat

He is the ultimate all format goat.

And in odi too he is easily top 7

He will be playing more Odis now to prepare for WC next year

Might skip t20s now

 

[kron]

He has a very light workload. He is pampered like a trophy wife.

This is why he cannot be an ATG even if his action is legal (which I doubt).

A real ATG would have great fitness, have 400+ wickets, and have a huge workload. Bowlers like Starc, McGrath, Wasim, Walsh are genuine ATGs for a reason.

Kapil?

 

[sweep_shot]

Kapil?

Yeah. Kapil should be included.

Kapil is a real legend. Bumrah is overhyped.

 

[charlie007]

He has a very light workload. He is pampered like a trophy wife.

This is why he cannot be an ATG even if his action is legal (which I doubt).

A real ATG would have great fitness, have 400+ wickets, and have a huge workload. Bowlers like Starc, McGrath, Wasim, Walsh are genuine ATGs for a reason.

Ok, so it’s established that Imran and Waqar are not real ATGs.

 

[kron]

Yeah. Kapil should be included.

Kapil is a real legend. Bumrah is overhyped.

But you have to see from modern point of view

Back then tests paid the bills

Now t20

Not much incentive outside Aus and England to play tests. As tests hardly pays. And I love tests

But I can’t blame the players.

our neighbours are lucky bumrah wants to perform in tests atleast until his body holds up.

He needs to quit odi imo. After WC and focus only on tests and t20