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He hasn't got all round stats everywhere although he is improving his record in England. He also hasn't taken on bowling attacks like Tendulkar. Also it is just that he does have the aura that others had.

He is very close to ATG mind you but I will reserve my judgement till he retires.
 
it has to be agreed that Sanga played really well in ENG in this series. Quiet frankly i didn't expect him to do this well. but still i don't think he is in the class of SRT or Lara or even Ponting. May be in Dravid or Kallis class.
 
There's a reason Viv richard ranks higher than Kallis as a batsman (rightly so) regardless of Kallis having significantly better stats, cricket is not played on a calculator. Gilchrist while averaging under 50 has played many more great innings than players averaging over 50, same with Lara. No disrespect to Sangakkara who will obviously go down as ATG.


As a batsman Sanga is far ahead of Gilly in Test
 
He hasn't got all round stats everywhere although he is improving his record in England. He also hasn't taken on bowling attacks like Tendulkar. Also it is just that he does have the aura that others had.

He is very close to ATG mind you but I will reserve my judgement till he retires.
He took on Akthar and Dale Steyb on. Made 230 and 287 respectively on both occasions.
 
Overall Sachin is better than Sangakkara. However Sangakkara in the last 5 years has been better than sachin have ever been.

Sanga in the last 5 year against 5 best bowling units,

Vs SA - avg 30
Vs NZ - Avg 33
Vs Eng - avg 40
Vs Aus - avg 46
Vs Pak - avg 79

I don't see anything great in Sanga's performance in the last 5 years to be honest. He had better period earlier.
 
Sanga has been called all the names for some time now but look at his recent scores in the England Series.

147, 61 , 79, 55.............. A half ton in each of the 4 innings

And the travesty is that Sri Lankan tour in England is over. International Cricket is not a level playing field when teams like India get 5 Tests in same conditions while Sri Lanka gets only two. You can notice that Sanga has mastered English conditions and is in form of his life , if only there were a couple of more Tests he would have scored a ton or more with ease but there is no opportunity. Either he will never tour England again or even if he does he might not be in good form. There is no equal opportunity for batsmen from all country to take advantage or capitalize on their good form in overseas conditions.
 
Sanga has been called all the names for some time now but look at his recent scores in the England Series.

147, 61 , 79, 55.............. A half ton in each of the 4 innings

And the travesty is that Sri Lankan tour in England is over. International Cricket is not a level playing field when teams like India get 5 Tests in same conditions while Sri Lanka gets only two. You can notice that Sanga has mastered English conditions and is in form of his life , if only there were a couple of more Tests he would have scored a ton or more with ease but there is no opportunity. Either he will never tour England again or even if he does he might not be in good form. There is no equal opportunity for batsmen from all country to take advantage or capitalize on their good form in overseas conditions.

you cannot have it one sided.for eg: take Sanga's 2011 series.he avg:ed 30 that time.baring a 119 all his scores were below 26.so suppose he played 1 more test in that series his avg: would have been worse by the logic you specified.and that time he was much younger too.any way Sanga has played 124 tests. that is enough a sample size to judge player. more tests mean either you can get better or worse.
 
you cannot have it one sided.for eg: take Sanga's 2011 series.he avg:ed 30 that time.baring a 119 all his scores were below 26.so suppose he played 1 more test in that series his avg: would have been worse by the logic you specified.and that time he was much younger too.any way Sanga has played 124 tests. that is enough a sample size to judge player. more tests mean either you can get better or worse.

http://www.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/match/474465.html

No . Because Sanga's ton in that series also came in the 3rd Test, infact it was his last innings in that series. He had got used to the conditions by then.
 
http://www.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/match/474465.html

No . Because Sanga's ton in that series also came in the 3rd Test, infact it was his last innings in that series. He had got used to the conditions by then.

are you sure that's always the case?i don't think so.because SAnga flopped so badly in his first 5 inns , even though he scored >100 in the last inns of the series , it was not enough to have an over all good record in that series.that is the way i view it.any way each to his own.
 
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342 runs in England in just a 2 Match Test Series. And many haters call him a FTB.

Just because it is in england, doesn't mean there isn't flat tracks. Lord was beauty for batting and no cloud cover, no swing, nothing. This test, the ball is doing a little but wickets fall in clusters.
 
Further to the above points. Just because it is in Bangladesh or the subcontinent doesn't mean it won't be swinging conditions with grass on the pitch.

But as a general rule it is an acceptable assumption.
 
Sanga has been called all the names for some time now but look at his recent scores in the England Series.

147, 61 , 79, 55.............. A half ton in each of the 4 innings

And the travesty is that Sri Lankan tour in England is over. International Cricket is not a level playing field when teams like India get 5 Tests in same conditions while Sri Lanka gets only two. You can notice that Sanga has mastered English conditions and is in form of his life , if only there were a couple of more Tests he would have scored a ton or more with ease but there is no opportunity. Either he will never tour England again or even if he does he might not be in good form. There is no equal opportunity for batsmen from all country to take advantage or capitalize on their good form in overseas conditions.

exactly, he could have far more well rounded record if given more chances(long/frequent tours) at his peak.
 
It's out of Sanga's hands if he plays a limited amount of cricket in the countries where he would want to rectify his records as [MENTION=132925]amax[/MENTION] pointed out.
 
From What I noticed all down-rating of Sanga has been coming majorly from Indian posters. Majority of the posts from Pak, SA, Eng etc users have been constructive and reasonable. Opinions made on personal reasons towards a player shouldn't be posted as unbiased opinion. Just express the dislike for the player instead. Peace
 
Have many of you seen Sobers, Border and etc ? Have you seen their avg in different playing conditions ?
 
Have many of you seen Sobers, Border and etc ? Have you seen their avg in different playing conditions ?

I have seen Border and Lara.

Well, Border's lowest avg is 38 in south Africa. Everywhere else Border averaged 45+
Lara has less well rounded performance than Border in different playing conditions. He averaged mid 30s in India and NZ.

Some of may have missed Lara and most of you have missed Border but Border was a gun batsman. He may as well be the second best batsman from Aus. Greg/Ponting are also there but just putting things in perspective.
 
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Sanggas is too boring to be an ATG. Dravid was slow too, but in a tense way, often in tight situations and vs good attacks.
 
Indians had better batsman of course. But currently they don't have some one like Sanga. He will walk in to Indian test side over any player.

Hardly any doubt about it. In fact Sanga will walk into ANY Test side right now.
 
Further to the above points. Just because it is in Bangladesh or the subcontinent doesn't mean it won't be swinging conditions with grass on the pitch.

But as a general rule it is an acceptable assumption.
Top post. Batting in SC countries is usually considered to be easy which is ridiculous to say the least. There was some stats work done on cricinfo to show that touring batsmen scored most runs in England and least in SA. India was somewhere in between
 
Its not about who I would rather watch.

Wasn't Gavaskar an ATG batsman?

Can anyone in the world deny that?

Similarly, Dravid and Kallis will be regarded as ATG batsman.

By the way, Dravid (for all his weakness in Aus) won us 2 matches in Aus.

How many did Sachin (for all his greatness) win us in Aus?

By the way, Irfan Pathan (for all his weaknesses everywhere) won us a Test in Aus, whereas Zaheer and Srinath have never done so.
Surely, it would make a claim for Irfan to be better than the other two.
 
From What I noticed all down-rating of Sanga has been coming majorly from Indian posters. Majority of the posts from Pak, SA, Eng etc users have been constructive and reasonable. Opinions made on personal reasons towards a player shouldn't be posted as unbiased opinion. Just express the dislike for the player instead. Peace

Inidans are some of the most insecure sport fans ever


For those Inbians who still says Sanga can`t score in England - Sanga also played all his tests in Early English summer..Not in sunny , dryer conditions like Sachin/Dravid and laxman
 
342 runs in England in just a 2 Match Test Series. And many haters call him a FTB.

LOL, yeah, the first match pitch was spitting venom. :facepalm:

People calling him an FTB has got more to do with the fact that he made his innings played on the flat tracks count in a very exaggerated manner. His career on flat tracks and against minnows stands out. No one can deny the fact that he is a decent player in tough conditions. Just like Laxman.

No one is calling him a Rohit Sharma kind of FTB... he is FTB in a sense that his game on flat tracks and against minnows is vastly superior to his game in testing conditions.
 
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I see a lot of jellous Indians here :)). When any thread is started praising Srilanka, they are all over the place.
Sangakara is an ATG no doubt
 
Inidans are some of the most insecure sport fans ever


For those Inbians who still says Sanga can`t score in England - Sanga also played all his tests in Early English summer..Not in sunny , dryer conditions like Sachin/Dravid and laxman

That too on a tough and uneven bouncy pitch at Lord's against bowlers who were eager to kill.
 
Another article on Sanga.. I am not saying I agree fully to it, but posting it for reference.

http://www.sportskeeda.com/cricket/statistics-kumar-sangakkara-sachin-tendulkar-greatest-bradman/

Sangakkara, the best batsman? Not yet. Sachin Tendulkar and 1990s greats are still unbeaten



In a recent article on the Cricket Australia website Sam Ferris suggested that, on the weight of his stats, Kumar Sangakkara now had a shot at being “The best batsman since Bradman”. See link.

Ferris said: “Statistically, Sangakkara is practically peerless (except for Bradman) and dominates the modern greats including Tendulkar, Ponting, Kallis, Lara.”

Ferris has, rightly, considered some elements but with mixed results: Sangakkara’s role as ‘keeper’ made batting excellence tougher. He has “feasted on the bottom-ranked Test nations” and has been “ruthless against all opposition”.

But it’s dangerous to assess greatness merely on stats, especially if we end up drawing hasty inferences from a seductive batting average. The point isn’t so much about whether Sangakkara is better than Bradman. He probably is. The point is that he isn’t greater than batting greats from the 1990s.

It is possible to take Ricky Ponting and the other greats in turn, to show why Sangakkara was good but nowhere near as great as they were. For now, let’s consider one batsman – Sachin Tendulkar.

Percentages are a handy measure but they aren’t enough. Perspective is as, if not more, important. We often ignore the kind of opposition a batsman has faced and consistently defeated. Context is crucial.

So it isn’t enough to say that only 11% of Sachin’s Test runs came against relative weaklings, Bangladesh and Zimbabwe but as much as 21% of Sangakkara’s. We must go on to say that Sachin’s 11% is a far smaller piece of his mountain of nearly 16,000 runs. Sangakkara’s 21% is a massive chunk of his hill of over 11,000 runs. Sachin’s 11% came from 23 innings while Sangakkara’s 21% came from 27 innings.

It isn’t enough to say that like the great Sunil Gavaskar, Sachin dominated the most dominant team. We must go on to say that against Australia, Sachin has been unbeaten on 8 occasions; Sangakkara only once. Sachin’s 11 tons against a mighty Australia probably counts for a bit more than Sangakkara’s lone ton?

It isn’t enough to caution that Sangakkara’s Test strike-rate of 54 is not on par with Sachin’s 54. We must go on to explain that while Sangakkara has maintained his rate over about 21,000 deliveries, Sachin maintained his rate over nearly 30,000 deliveries. Sachin sustained his rate for 117 innings more than Sangakkara has.

Much is made of Sangakkara’s role as a keeper, implying that it made run-scoring tougher but we must be careful not to overstate that. Sangakkara pulled off 151 dismissals behind the stumps. Sachin has bowled 706 Test overs, taken 46 wickets as a bowler and 115 catches as a fielder. Forget about the unparalleled pressure that Sachin faced, he’s the one who should have struggled as a batsman - to get past 50 Tests, let alone 50 tons.

Sangakkara bloomed only in the early 2000s and was spared the strange downward pressure that 1990s Test bowling greats exerted on even the best scoring rates. They were in their prime when they tested the world’s greatest batsmen. Some of the world’s most prolific bowlers were fading by the time Sangakkara had gotten into stride and even those who were in their prime just didn’t see enough of Sangakkara. He saw little or almost nothing of Brett Lee, Waqar Younis, Allan Donald, Shoaib Akthar, Glenn McGrath, Shane Warne absolutely nothing of Courtney Walsh, Curtly Ambrose and obviously nothing of Muttiah Muralitharan. Sachin has seen and bettered them all.

Sangakkara is a very good batsman. He’s still young and may go on to prove himself even further. So far, he simply hasn’t been tested enough and consistently enough to be ranked with the 1990s greats. He’s a tantalising 500 or so runs short of Brian Lara’s Test tally but has he faced anywhere near the depth and ferocity of opposition that Lara did? Still, it is unfair to rank Sangakkara below anyone who has played fewer than 100 Tests, even if they are rightly admired players such as Bradman, Weekes, Sutcliffe or Barrington.

Sangakkara’s elegance is endearing, even if he does look out of place amidst 21st century aggression. He deserves every bit of credit that got his name so enviably etched on the Lord’s Honours Board. He is every bit the “graceful, silky, purposeful, unflappable” player that BBC Cricket Correspondent Jonathan Agnew says he is.

But it is a grave injustice to go on to say that “his career average of 58.53 is superior to any of his illustrious peers”. It isn’t. Not yet.

Rudolph Lambert Fernandez is the author of a new non-fiction book, ‘GREATER THAN BRADMAN: celebrating Sachin, the greatest batsman in cricket history’. www.greaterthanbradman.com
 
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I'll agree with you here .... Lara, Sehwag, Sangakkara, all 3 of them have had this appetite for big double hundreds.

I wish if sehwag scores his BIG DOUBLE HUNDREDS in difficult conditions or on bowling wickets otherwise it is disdain to Lara & Sanga by fixing sehwag in same cordon.
 
I wish if sehwag scores his BIG DOUBLE HUNDREDS in difficult conditions or on bowling wickets otherwise it is disdain to Lara & Sanga by fixing sehwag in same cordon.

Yes, Sanga always hit double hundreds against quality bowlers on bowling pitches.
 
By the way, Irfan Pathan (for all his weaknesses everywhere) won us a Test in Aus, whereas Zaheer and Srinath have never done so. Surely, it would make a claim for Irfan to be better than the other two.

I don't even know when I posted that comment.

Anyways, I never said Dravid was better than Sachin so the question of Irfan better than Zaheer does not arise.

Isn't it obvious?
 
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I wish if sehwag scores his BIG DOUBLE HUNDREDS in difficult conditions or on bowling wickets otherwise it is disdain to Lara & Sanga by fixing sehwag in same cordon.

Haha, all Sehwag big scores came in matches won. So if our trundlers managed 20 wickets there, the pitch has to be difficult. Seriously, count me some of Sanga's big doubles in tough conditions or matches won against a decent opposition.
 
In case of performance in Australia ?

No not even in that case. Sachin performed in more tours, against ATG bowlers (McGrath & Warne) and was more assured than Dravid ever was. Plus it was pointed out to me that even in Perth test which we won (by Hitman - I checked this thread), Dravid was struggling while Sachin was sublime.

Laxman scored 79 in the 2nd innings (when both Dravid and Sachin flopped) to help us set a target of 400+.

What an AMAZING batsman this Laxman is. Defining innings when it matters.
 
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If he overtakes Sachins Test runs tally forget best left hand batsmen, he'll go down as the best batsmen since Bradman.
 
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No not even in that case. Sachin performed in more tours, against ATG bowlers (McGrath & Warne) and was more assured than Dravid ever was. Plus it was pointed out to me that even in Perth test which we won (by Hitman - I checked this thread), Dravid was struggling while Sachin was sublime.

Laxman scored 79 in the 2nd innings (when both Dravid and Sachin flopped) to help us set a target of 400+.

What an AMAZING batsman this Laxman is. Defining innings when it matters.

Arre bhai, you wrote about Dravid winning us 2 Tests in Australia, so I replied. I don't disagree with anything else you wrote though.

BTW, I don't remember Dravid struggling in Perth (was he ?) for his 92.

Lax was a superb batsman, but he was way too inconsistent in early part of his career, plus he struggled against bowlers like Akram.

In other thread I pointed out this particular innings of Lax to show why he was so valuable without increasing his average while batting with tail.
 
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Arre bhai, you wrote about Dravid winning us 2 Tests in Australia, so I replied. I don't disagree with anything else you wrote though.

BTW, I don't remember Dravid struggling in Perth (was he ?) for his 92.

Lax was a superb batsman, but he was way too inconsistent in early part of his career.

1. Never said you disagreed. You asked me a question about Dravid being better than Sachin in Aus. I answered and gave you my reasoning.

2. Never said Laxman is ATG. Just commented on how good he was in certain situations.

3. You should become a lawyer. :)
 
1. Never said you disagreed. You asked me a question about Dravid being better than Sachin in Aus. I answered and gave you my reasoning.

2. Never said Laxman is ATG. Just commented on how good he was in certain situations.

3. You should become a lawyer. :)

1. Not everything that I wrote above was "in disagreement".. I was making general comments too in extension to your point.

2. I also did not call him an ATG, I was commenting more on your point. When did I say you called him an ATG ? In other thread I pointed out this particular innings of Lax to show why he was so valuable without increasing his average while batting with tail.


3. What makes you think I am not one, already :)
 
1. Not everything that I wrote above was "in disagreement".. I was making general comments too in extension to your point.

2. I also did not call him an ATG, I was commenting more on your point. When did I say you called him an ATG ? In other thread I pointed out this particular innings of Lax to show why he was so valuable without increasing his average while batting with tail.


3. What makes you think I am not one, already :)

I think you work in the IT sector.

Judging from some of your posts in one of the threads in the Time Pass sections.
 
Having said all that, I think Sachin's 241 in Sydney was not far behind Dravid's 233 in Adelaide in terms of being a match winning innings.

Dravid's innings though was a superb back-to-wall effort, and however second string Australia attack was, it was a huge effort to lift India from 80-4 to 500+.

The fact that he followed it up with a 70+ in the second innings, this effort will surely be regarded as great and perhaps the best Test match effort by an Indian in Australia.
 
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LOL, yeah, the first match pitch was spitting venom. :facepalm:

People calling him an FTB has got more to do with the fact that he made his innings played on the flat tracks count in a very exaggerated manner. His career on flat tracks and against minnows stands out. No one can deny the fact that he is a decent player in tough conditions. Just like Laxman.

No one is calling him a Rohit Sharma kind of FTB... he is FTB in a sense that his game on flat tracks and against minnows is vastly superior to his game in testing conditions.

Load of rubbish as usual. The Lord’s wicket wasn't too bad actually. Plus apart from the first couple of days it was dark and gloomy so to say there wasn’t much in it for the bowlers is just utter nonsense. I mean even the SL attack had Eng 5 down for 200 odd in the 1st innings (actually would have been 6 for 200 odd had Reiffel given Prior’s plumb LBW when he was on 0) and in the 2nd innings Eng were 6 down for 120 odd. It’s just that SL bowlers struggled against the lower order and Eng bowlers struggled against the top order. Hardly the wicket’s fault.
 
Haha, all Sehwag big scores came in matches won. So if our trundlers managed 20 wickets there, the pitch has to be difficult. Seriously, count me some of Sanga's big doubles in tough conditions or matches won against a decent opposition.

The guy only averages what 75 in wins against the top 6

http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/en...efault;result=1;template=results;type=batting

and 65 in matches drawn against the top 6?

http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/en...efault;result=4;template=results;type=batting
 
Here we go this is for all the haters here spouting utter nonsense. From Sanga all the way from Engarrlaand. Enjoy! :36:

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Sangakkara is underrated IMO. A good batsman. The only thing I dont like about him is his obsession for records like ....
 
From What I noticed all down-rating of Sanga has been coming majorly from Indian posters. Majority of the posts from Pak, SA, Eng etc users have been constructive and reasonable. Opinions made on personal reasons towards a player shouldn't be posted as unbiased opinion. Just express the dislike for the player instead. Peace

Inidans are some of the most insecure sport fans ever


For those Inbians who still says Sanga can`t score in England - Sanga also played all his tests in Early English summer..Not in sunny , dryer conditions like Sachin/Dravid and laxman

unfortunate for Sanga that he's from srilanka. If he belongs to one particular country & with this record he may be resembled as god shod or such funny things
 
Haha, all Sehwag big scores came in matches won. So if our trundlers managed 20 wickets there, the pitch has to be difficult. Seriously, count me some of Sanga's big doubles in tough conditions or matches won against a decent opposition.

I think you havent seen bangalore test of 2005 ag Pakistan
 
Load of rubbish as usual. The Lord’s wicket wasn't too bad actually. Plus apart from the first couple of days it was dark and gloomy so to say there wasn’t much in it for the bowlers is just utter nonsense. I mean even the SL attack had Eng 5 down for 200 odd in the 1st innings (actually would have been 6 for 200 odd had Reiffel given Prior’s plumb LBW when he was on 0) and in the 2nd innings Eng were 6 down for 120 odd. It’s just that SL bowlers struggled against the lower order and Eng bowlers struggled against the top order. Hardly the wicket’s fault.

agreed, it was the bowlers who were not doing too much till the last 2 sessions.
 
Inidans are some of the most insecure sport fans ever


For those Inbians who still says Sanga can`t score in England - Sanga also played all his tests in Early English summer..Not in sunny , dryer conditions like Sachin/Dravid and laxman

your generalization of Indians is getting over the top , i suppose.yes Sanga played very well in this series. credit to him .no doubt.for your info...go thru Sachin's inns in ENG to know more about your 'conditions' claim.
 
Another article on Sanga.. I am not saying I agree fully to it, but posting it for reference.

http://www.sportskeeda.com/cricket/statistics-kumar-sangakkara-sachin-tendulkar-greatest-bradman/

Sangakkara, the best batsman? Not yet. Sachin Tendulkar and 1990s greats are still unbeaten



In a recent article on the Cricket Australia website Sam Ferris suggested that, on the weight of his stats, Kumar Sangakkara now had a shot at being “The best batsman since Bradman”. See link.

Ferris said: “Statistically, Sangakkara is practically peerless (except for Bradman) and dominates the modern greats including Tendulkar, Ponting, Kallis, Lara.”

Ferris has, rightly, considered some elements but with mixed results: Sangakkara’s role as ‘keeper’ made batting excellence tougher. He has “feasted on the bottom-ranked Test nations” and has been “ruthless against all opposition”.

But it’s dangerous to assess greatness merely on stats, especially if we end up drawing hasty inferences from a seductive batting average. The point isn’t so much about whether Sangakkara is better than Bradman. He probably is. The point is that he isn’t greater than batting greats from the 1990s.

It is possible to take Ricky Ponting and the other greats in turn, to show why Sangakkara was good but nowhere near as great as they were. For now, let’s consider one batsman – Sachin Tendulkar.

Percentages are a handy measure but they aren’t enough. Perspective is as, if not more, important. We often ignore the kind of opposition a batsman has faced and consistently defeated. Context is crucial.

So it isn’t enough to say that only 11% of Sachin’s Test runs came against relative weaklings, Bangladesh and Zimbabwe but as much as 21% of Sangakkara’s. We must go on to say that Sachin’s 11% is a far smaller piece of his mountain of nearly 16,000 runs. Sangakkara’s 21% is a massive chunk of his hill of over 11,000 runs. Sachin’s 11% came from 23 innings while Sangakkara’s 21% came from 27 innings.

It isn’t enough to say that like the great Sunil Gavaskar, Sachin dominated the most dominant team. We must go on to say that against Australia, Sachin has been unbeaten on 8 occasions; Sangakkara only once. Sachin’s 11 tons against a mighty Australia probably counts for a bit more than Sangakkara’s lone ton?

It isn’t enough to caution that Sangakkara’s Test strike-rate of 54 is not on par with Sachin’s 54. We must go on to explain that while Sangakkara has maintained his rate over about 21,000 deliveries, Sachin maintained his rate over nearly 30,000 deliveries. Sachin sustained his rate for 117 innings more than Sangakkara has.

Much is made of Sangakkara’s role as a keeper, implying that it made run-scoring tougher but we must be careful not to overstate that. Sangakkara pulled off 151 dismissals behind the stumps. Sachin has bowled 706 Test overs, taken 46 wickets as a bowler and 115 catches as a fielder. Forget about the unparalleled pressure that Sachin faced, he’s the one who should have struggled as a batsman - to get past 50 Tests, let alone 50 tons.

Sangakkara bloomed only in the early 2000s and was spared the strange downward pressure that 1990s Test bowling greats exerted on even the best scoring rates. They were in their prime when they tested the world’s greatest batsmen. Some of the world’s most prolific bowlers were fading by the time Sangakkara had gotten into stride and even those who were in their prime just didn’t see enough of Sangakkara. He saw little or almost nothing of Brett Lee, Waqar Younis, Allan Donald, Shoaib Akthar, Glenn McGrath, Shane Warne absolutely nothing of Courtney Walsh, Curtly Ambrose and obviously nothing of Muttiah Muralitharan. Sachin has seen and bettered them all.

Sangakkara is a very good batsman. He’s still young and may go on to prove himself even further. So far, he simply hasn’t been tested enough and consistently enough to be ranked with the 1990s greats. He’s a tantalising 500 or so runs short of Brian Lara’s Test tally but has he faced anywhere near the depth and ferocity of opposition that Lara did? Still, it is unfair to rank Sangakkara below anyone who has played fewer than 100 Tests, even if they are rightly admired players such as Bradman, Weekes, Sutcliffe or Barrington.

Sangakkara’s elegance is endearing, even if he does look out of place amidst 21st century aggression. He deserves every bit of credit that got his name so enviably etched on the Lord’s Honours Board. He is every bit the “graceful, silky, purposeful, unflappable” player that BBC Cricket Correspondent Jonathan Agnew says he is.

But it is a grave injustice to go on to say that “his career average of 58.53 is superior to any of his illustrious peers”. It isn’t. Not yet.

Rudolph Lambert Fernandez is the author of a new non-fiction book, ‘GREATER THAN BRADMAN: celebrating Sachin, the greatest batsman in cricket history’. www.greaterthanbradman.com


top analysis. Sanga even after his heroics is some levels below Sachin for me.i am taking 'Sachin' here because i am more in a position to
analyse Sanga's career to his than any other great batsman.In short

1. Sachin has much more longevity. his avg: stood at 56.94 after 177 tests.more remarkably 56.95 abroad.
2. Sachin avg:ed over 40 in all countries. Sanga still has 3 below 40s.
3. the over all quality of bowlers faced by these 2 players differed substantially.
4. Sachin's career was characterised by extreme pressure which was some levels above than that of any other batsman
 
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It's out of Sanga's hands if he plays a limited amount of cricket in the countries where he would want to rectify his records as [MENTION=132925]amax[/MENTION] pointed out.

this claim is slightly over the top.Sanga played 11 tests in ENG spread over 4 series. out of these, in 3 series he played 3 tests apiece.
In SAF he played 8 tests spread over 3 series. in 2 series he played 3 tests apiece.In India he played 2 series with 3 tests apiece.
a 3 test series means you are getting ample oppertunities to prove yourself.yet Sanga didn't make full use of the oppertunities.
In India in his first series he was undone by Kumble. Once Kumble left he had reasonable success in his 2nd series. In NZL & AUS he has high avg:s any way. so this 'limited amount' claim is invalid in these 2 countries .so all in all this claim is not that valid
 
If sanga is an ATG then Sky is Green and grass is blue.
Sanga is on the way to correcting his records away from home, if he does so, he'll probably end up surpassing Sachin. Which I feel is the real issue with a few Indian fans here.
 
Sanga is on the way to correcting his records away from home, if he does so, he'll probably end up surpassing Sachin. Which I feel is the real issue with a few Indian fans here.

LOL what ? Almost every expert rates Sachin as the best ever or second best after Bradman. And regarding surpassing Sachin's run tally , Mahela has more runs than Bradman , but i don't think any sane human being puts Mahela ahed of Don.
 
Sanga is on the way to correcting his records away from home, if he does so, he'll probably end up surpassing Sachin. Which I feel is the real issue with a few Indian fans here.

LOL what ? Almost every expert rates Sachin as the best ever or second best after Bradman. And regarding surpassing Sachin's run tally , Mahela has more runs than Bradman , but i don't think any sane human being puts Mahela ahed of Don.
 
LOL what ? Almost every expert rates Sachin as the best ever or second best after Bradman. And regarding surpassing Sachin's run tally , Mahela has more runs than Bradman , but i don't think any sane human being puts Mahela ahed of Don.
Does Mahela have a higher average than the don too? :91:
 
Brian Lara, Graeme Pollock, Alan Border, Garfield Sobers, Shivnarine Chanderpaul and Adam Gilchrist...hmm nope.
 
Sanga is an ATG. But unfortunately with him and Mahela gone, Lankans will be in deep trouble. I don't see any capable batsmen in the side aside from Mathews and to an extent, Kaushal Silva. Thirimanne is a hack. Kushal Perera is a wild card who might either go the Sanath way or the highway.
 
Sanga is an ATG. But unfortunately with him and Mahela gone, Lankans will be in deep trouble. I don't see any capable batsmen in the side aside from Mathews and to an extent, Kaushal Silva. Thirimanne is a hack. Kushal Perera is a wild card who might either go the Sanath way or the highway.
Don't the Lankans call Thirmanne young Sanga?
 
I don't see how anyone who has spent the last 30 or so years following cricket can call Sangas a ATG. How and who against you've made your runs matters more than how many you make.
 
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How ignorant of the ppers to completely Ignore sir imran farhat and sir umar amin. Justice please.
 
I don't see how anyone who has spent the last 30 or so years following cricket can call Sangas a ATG. How and who against you've made your runs matters more than how many you make.

Having a 40+ avg against every team doesn't matter?
 
:)))

Forget young Sanga. He is not even young Asanka Gurusinha.


Thirimanne is a quality player and he is way better than Asanka.Also he is better than what Sanga was at 24.Don`t be a fool and rate young batman based on 2,3 bas bad inns..

Ask from anyone who plays/works with SL cricketers..Thiri has the talent and discipline to be good as Sanga/Mahela...Chandimal is no different.And we have couple of good young batsman coming through the ranks as well.In fact SL won`t have a problem in finding batsmen..The issue for SL is fast bowlers.
 
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