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Aid workers and human rights groups are critical of how the Rohingya crisis has been handled by senior UN officials
A fortnight before Cyclone Mora slammed into his home, Abdel drank tea with us on his porch, reflecting bitterly on his surroundings.

"It is a prison," he said, his eyes surveying the makeshift neighbourhood that he has been forced to live in for five years.

Abdel, a fortysomething whose name has been changed to protect his identity, is a member of the long-persecuted Rohingya minority, a largely stateless Muslim group based in Myanmar's western Rakhine state.

He is one of tens of thousands living in crowded, insanitary camps for the displaced in the region. The Thet Kyae Pyin camp is less than 10 miles from Sittwe, the capital of Rakhine state and Abdel’s former home. His family were driven out by Buddhist mobs during widespread violence five years ago. Abdel used to own two fishing boats and a furniture-making business. They have gone; what became of them, he does not know.

Now he carves out a bare existence in a camp surrounded on three sides by military and police checkpoints and a dusty wicker fence. On the fourth side is the sea. Occasionally a fisherman takes to the water and sells his catch to the residents.

Abdel gesticulated around the settlement. "They are trying to make us beggars," he said of the ethnic nationalists, who forced him and other Muslims from their own neighbourhoods. "They want us to be beggars in our new home and beggars to the international community."

Around us there was bustle, despite the heat and humidity. Children played. Women gathered in colourful hijabs. When aid workers first built this part of the camp it was just a cluster of tents. While we spoke to Abdel, the sound of hammering filled the air, as the men sought to improve their makeshift homes, resigned to the fact that no one will be leaving the refugee sprawl any time soon.

Abdel has extended his own family home, although it was still little more than a hut. It consisted of two rooms, each around three metres square; one for cooking and living, the other for sleeping for himself, his wife and three children.

There was also the stench of sewage. The camp is situated on a low water table. The latrines - one of which was close to where we sat – are mounted on brick supports. “The sanitation here is terrible,” Abdel complained, glancing across the dirt road nearby.

He was aware that he was laying down roots in an open-air prison which he longs to leave while also trying to make the best of it. Inside the hut he had pinned English alphabet posters; the type wouldn't look out of place in a primary school.

Children gathered around as we spoke. A neighbour brought over a pack of biscuits, stamped with the acronym “WFP”- the World Food Programme.

Abdel explained that access to the camps for UN workers was rare, even since the recent outbreak of violence. "The United Nations are not doing enough," he said. "They are putting some pressure but not strongly enough and not specifically enough.

"If the United Nations spoke out, if they tried to get inside here and help us - maybe the monks wouldn't do what they do."

Why Abdel, and thousands more Muslims, fled

An estimated 120,000 Muslims now live in dozens of de facto internment camps across Rakhine state under conditions similar to Abdel. They are unable to leave the settlements, in which they are largely reliant on humanitarian assistance to survive. Their human rights, including freedom of movement, are far from settled.

There have long been tensions in the region between the Muslim Rohingya and the predominantly Buddhist ethnic Rakhine, yet trade and friendships persisted.

But then, in 2012, the rape and murder of a Buddhist woman sparked the first waves of large-scale violence in decades directed at the Rohingya, sparking a protracted crisis which saw Muslims confined to their camps. Human Rights Watch accused Myanmar’s state agencies, including the police and military, of participating in violence that amounted to “ethnic cleansing” and “crimes against humanity.”

At that time Sittwe was about 40 percent Muslim; now the proportion is less than three percent. At least 70,000 Muslims were driven from their homes in Sittwe Township alone. Mosques were burned but still stand, blackened and empty, in the centre of the city, not far from where Abdel used to live.

In October 2016, a Rohingya militant group attacked border guards, claiming that they had taken up arms to fight for the human rights they have long been denied. It is estimated that the Myanmar army may have killed more than a thousand Rohingya men, women and children in the crackdown that followed.

More recently, a report issued by the World Food Programme on 5 July warned that tens of thousands of children face acute malnutrition in the coming year.

It said that an estimated 80,500 children under the age of five are malnourished, based on an assessment of 45 villages in western Rakhine state.

Abdel lays a precious hand-drawn map out on a table. It shows the region, with neatly written figures besides the name of each town and village. The document details the number of deaths, the number of houses razed, the number of injuries during the purges. The scale of the “cleansing” that the Rohingya have faced is horrific.

“Before I had hope,” Abdel said, “but now I am hopeless. Now we don’t even have a parliament member to represent us. We can’t even vote.”

The estimated one million Rohingya Muslims in Myanmar were stripped of their right to vote ahead of the 2015 elections. The National League for Democracy party, which won a landslide, did not field a single Muslim candidate due to pressure from anti-Muslim Buddhist nationalists.

The party’s best-known member is Nobel laureate Aung San Suu Kyi, the de facto head of government, who in April 2017 denied that the Rohingya are victims of ethnic cleansing. She also opposes a UN fact-finding mission mandated by the UN Human Rights Council to investigate allegations of atrocities. Instead the Muslim Rohingya have had to look for support beyond Myanmar.

Abdel said: “We have nobody to represent us here. My trust is only in the international countries.”

But the efforts made by international organisations, especially the United Nations, appear to have raised more issues than they have solved.

An MEE investigation has revealed that sources within the UN, humanitarian community and international rights organisations are critical of how the Rohingya crisis has been handled by senior UN officials and, more broadly, by the organisation’s diplomatic presence in Myanmar.

Many of those who spoke to MEE did so on condition of anonymity, lest they face retaliation which might affect their careers.

Criticism #1: The UN's leadership style

Renata Lok-Dessallien is the UN’s resident coordinator in Myanmar - the most senior official in the country.

Lok-Desallien was appointed in 2014 and immediately faced a crisis when reports emerged of an alleged massacre of Rohingya in Northern Rakhine state. The incident, and the UN’s handling of it, remains controversial.

Initial reports suggested that up to 40 people had been killed at the village of Du Chee Yar Tan, but subsequent enquiries suggested that these figures may have been overstated. The resident coordinator allegedly blamed the OHCHR, the UN’s human rights agency, for making a mistake on the issue, although email records seen by MEE indicate that she had endorsed the death toll.

Relations with the government of Myanmar were seriously damaged by the incident. Lok-Desallien had to scramble to improve ties after the authorities mounted a campaign of denial about the alleged massacre.

Lok-Dessallien has served in Myanmar before: between 2000 and 2002 she was the UN Development Agency’s deputy resident representative. Prior to her return to the country she served in China, Bangladesh and Bhutan as resident coordinator.

An experienced humanitarian source in Sittwe described Lok-Desallien as “weak on human rights and generally unsupportive of anything that would bring things up to minimum international standards” in the refugee camps.

“No one has been lobbying the government or donors about shelter,” he said, referring to countries that fund humanitarian programmes.

In June, a UN spokesman, quoted by the BBC, speculated that Lok-Dessallien was leaving her post and that the decision had nothing to do with her performance. But the diplomatic and aid community in Yangon said that the move was linked to her failure to prioritise human rights, the broadcaster also reported.

A report, published by the International Rescue Committee (IRC), said that "sub-standard shelter conditions" in Myanmar have had a "debilitating impact" on the "well-being of internally displaced people”.

It said that “progress has been painfully slow” on shelter repairs, that conditions could not continue as they were and that standards in the camps still fell below international standards as outlined by the Sphere project, five years after refugees first lost their homes.

Sphere, which is funded by the US, Germany and Ireland among others, specifies that the minimum “covered floor area” per person should be 3.5 metres squared. But the IRC found that the area for those “living in longhouses in Sittwe IDP camps” was 2.9 metres squared. That figure does not reflect refugees living in tents, where conditions are often worse.

The report also noted that the poor state of shelter was contributing to “excess morbidities for preventable diseases such as dysentery, tuberculosis and scabies”.

A UN source told MEE that camp conditions were also responsible for worsening psycho-social problems – and even violence. “The longer people are kept in the camps, there is more gender-based violence, their mental health [deteriorates],” he said.

But Charles Petrie, resident coordinator in Myanmar between 2003 and 2007, said that problems with shelters were ultimately rooted in a lack of support from donors in governments.

"On the question of meeting the Sphere standards, I am not sure it is as much an issue of UN leadership - it's more a question of the availability of funds from donors. If you don't have that the standards are difficult to meet.”

Camp conditions dramatically worsened when Cyclone Mona damaged Rohingya shelters in Rakhine state and across the border in southern Bangladesh in May 2017. MEE was unable to reach Abdel after the cyclone has passed. Muhammad, another resident in the camp, said that many people had fallen ill due to the worsening conditions.

Criticism #2: In-fighting within the UN

Divisions within the UN are also complicating its efforts to improve the lives of vulnerable people in Myanmar, including the Rohingya, according to another document seen by MEE.

An internal note sent to UN Secretary General Antonio Guterres in April 2017 observes that the organisation in Myanmar has become “glaringly dysfunctional”.

“Strong tensions exist within the UN Country Team. The humanitarian parts of the UN system finds itself having to confront the hostility of the development arm, while the human rights pillar is seen as complicating both,” the document said.

The note also said that there “are potentially a number of parallels between the UN’s approach to dealing with the conflict in Sri Lanka and its efforts in Myanmar”.

Tens of thousands of civilians were killed in so-called “no-fire zones” by government forces during the final days of the civil war in Sri Lanka in 2009. A damning internal review found that there had been a “systemic failure” by the UN to uphold its responsibilities for protecting the vulnerable due to a system weakened by a “culture of trade-offs” with the government in Colombo.

The internal note about Myanmar said that UN decisions have been taken without consultation, noting that like in “Sri Lanka, actions are decided and decisions taken in a manner that do not seem to indicate comprehensive ownership or responsibility for their impact”.

A document, dated 19 February 2016 and signed by 11 aid agencies working in Rakhine state, also supported these observations. The letter, entitled “On Behalf of the INGOs Engaging in Humanitarian Action in Myanmar”, protested at the decision by the resident coordinator to unilaterally appoint a deputy humanitarian coordinator.

The new role was created in February 2016 to reduce the humanitarian responsibilities of the resident coordinator. It effectively deputised the job of handling relations with the humanitarian community to the person who would occupy the new position.

The note said that the signatories “express our concern about the non-consultative process, communication and actual appointment of the Dpt. HC”, which was imposed by decree rather than consensus.

The preferred candidate of the NGOs was Mark Cutts, head of OCHA, the UN’s humanitarian agency, in Myanmar. Instead the position was awarded to Dom Scalpelli, a former head of the World Food Programme in Myanmar, who is perceived as holding views which are compatible with the resident coordinator.

Humanitarian workers in Sittwe told Middle East Eye that the appointment was seen as an attempt to reduce the influence of organisations which had been critical of the coordinator.

One experienced aid worker told MEE that it was part of a wider trend of the affairs of Rakhine being controlled from the centre.

Another NGO source said the appointment was made because Lok-Dessallien "doesn't want NGOs involved in coordination. She sees us as troublemakers because we hold her to account.”

Criticism #3: Inadequate early-warning system

The emergence of a Rohingya militant movement in October 2016 caught many in the UN by surprise, various sources including senior officials told Middle East Eye.

Further attacks could precipitate another crackdown by the military, increasing the risk of further violence against the Rohingya.

In December 2013, then-UN secretary general Ban Ki Moon introduced Human Rights Up Front, a global initiative designed to improve the organisation’s response to human rights crises and prevent future atrocities.

It came after a damning internal review into UN conduct during the final stages of the Sri Lankan civil war called for a “cultural change” so UN staff would take “principled positions and act with moral courage”.

Yet several sources – including UN officials – told MEE that the UN mission in Myanmar had failed to properly implement the new policy, something corroborated by documents obtained in 2016 and verified by MEE.

Philippe Bolopion, Human Rights Watch’s deputy director for global advocacy, met senior UN officials in Myanmar in early 2017. He told Middle East Eye that not enough was being done to uphold the initiative

Bolopion said “there should be a coherent, system-wide approach and strategy” on Rohingya rights, but that such an approach “simply doesn't seem to be there".

He said that the UN system as a whole in Myanmar had not seized on the human rights catastrophe and that the response had been subdued.

“The UN are almost bystanders in the face of very serious abuses that they should be fully mobilised to combat,” he said.

Others agreed. An official working within the UN system said that “Human Rights Up Front is not on the agenda”.

Criticism #4: Lack of international action

But the problem is not just with the UN. MEE has seen a letter, signed by senior members of NGOs, which highlighted the need for concerted action to protect civilians across Myanmar, not only in Rakhine state but also in Kachin and Shan state.

It was circulated privately among embassies and senior UN officials during last year’s crisis, when Rohingya were being slaughtered and fleeing to Bangladesh.

The letter compared the response of the international community to the crisis – and toward operations taking part in the eastern part of Myanmar – to the final days of Sri Lanka’s civil war.

It said that there was a lack of any comprehensive strategy to tackle the crises in Myanmar and prepare for the risk of future escalations. It added that “like Sri Lanka, we are still disorganised as a community and we are underestimating what is possibly in front of us”.

Referring to the warning signs of the catastrophe in Sri Lanka, it added “we saw the signs early then, and we see the same signs unfolding before us now, only with greater clarity and foreboding".

The signatories stated that they “strongly believe that the only way to effectively avert a crisis of atrocity is through all levels of the international community working earnestly and in concert”.

One of the signatories was Charles Petrie, who chaired a panel commissioned by the UN to review its conduct of the Sri Lanka conflict.

“The Sri Lanka parallel works in terms of referring to the inability of the UN to approach the situation in Myanmar in a coherent way with responsibility taken at the highest level,” he told Middle East Eye.

“The UN continues to have a diffuse, uncoordinated approach to the problems in Rakhine.”

He said that the ultimate responsibility for this failure could not be laid at the feet of those working in Myanmar.

“The responsibility for a coordinated approach falls on New York. The [resident coordinator] does not have oversight of the political and human rights strategy; she's a cog in the machine. The definition of the RC role is to be the coordinator of the UN system’s development activities."

Criticism #5: Prioritising development over human rights

But where should the focus of solving the crisis be?

Some analysts and senior UN officials, both within and outside Myanmar, believe that the chief impetus to improve conditions for the Rohingya lies less with human rights advocacy and more with economic development.

Media reports indicate that the dominant approach of senior UN officials within Myanmar, including the resident coordinator, has been to avoid robustly challenging the government on its poor rights record. Instead it favours a “pragmatic” approach through which improvements can be gradually brought about for the Rohingya.

This approach was criticised in a review paper, authored in late 2015 by Liam Mahony of Fieldview Solutions, an external group which advises on strategic planning, research and analysis to international organisations in conflict zones.

The document, seen by MEE, was commissioned by the OHCHR. It examined the human rights implications of the UN’s approach to the Rakhine crisis.

The author noted that “excessive self-censorship” on rights was contributing to a situation in which “international institutions” were being forced “into complicity with systematic abuses” against the Rohingya.

The "current UN strategy of emphasising development investment as the solution to the problems in Rakhine state," the study further observed, "fails to take into account that development initiatives carried out by discriminatory state actors through discriminatory structures will likely have a discriminatory outcome.”

A cache of documents obtained by MEE demonstrate that not long after this document was written, the United Nations and some of the diplomatic community in Myanmar constructed plans to continue prioritising development - even as they were seeking to improve the rights of the Rohingya.

The papers were drawn up in October 2015, about a year before the current Rohingya insurgency began. They laid out a two-year plan up until 2017, involving a “Heads of Mission” group, drawn from Western embassies and parts of the United Nations.

One key document, entitled “A whole of Rakhine approach” envisioned tackling the “major human rights crisis” endured by the Rohingya, but only in phases.

The author, British consultant Lewis Sida, argued that in the final stage of the UN strategy the Rohingya would have finally attained their full human rights.

Then, and only by then, would key issues related to rights such as the Rohinya’s citizenship status be resolved. The document states this could be 15 years from the time of Suu Kyi’s election in 2015 – that is, 2030.

A source in the international NGO community in Sittwe warned that “the whole donor community is invested” in the idea that development had to precede any significant changes for the Rohingya.

But human rights groups insisted that the severe rights deprivations suffered by the Rohingya, which are largely the product of widely supported legislation, need to be tackled urgently.

Matthew Smith of Fortify Rights, a non-profit human rights organisation based in south-east Asia, said: “The idea that development in stages will somehow end pogroms, end impunity, resolve fundamentally legal problems, is confused at best. Market-based solutions only get you so far. How many more people have to die before the UN leadership stops tip-toeing around Myanmar’s leaders?”

A UN source who spoke to Middle East Eye said that economic development would have to precede any end to the detention of Rohingya in camps.

“The camps are likely to stay in place until the economy improves,” he said. “And no one should be expected to leave until then.”

He indicated that the process could take at least another five years.

What the UN says about the Rohingya

Pablo Barrera, a media spokesman for the Office of the UN Resident Coordinator in Myanmar, told Middle East Eye that the questions resulting from the MEE investigation “reflect the opinion of partners and individuals".

Barrera said: “While I fully respect them and I recognise that they are driven by the very desire and determination to find solutions to the situation of the people in Rakhine state - a desire and determination which I can assure you is shared by all of us involved in this very complex operational environment - I would prefer not to further speculate on these questions as it may lead to an inward looking turf battle/gossip type of discussion, not necessarily helpful to the objective of improving the situation in Rakhine.”

He described the situation in Rakhine as “extremely complex” as demonstrated by the number of groups and agencies “which are relentlessly searching for viable and sustainable approaches to help Myanmar to make progress".

Barrera said the government of Myanmar was ultimately responsible for ensuring the protection and wellbeing of its people and the difficulties in Rakhine state.

“For decades, due to a combination of reasons, successive governments have neglected the undertaking of measures aimed at addressing the causes and ensuring a dignified life and the enjoyment of basic rights, often abdicating on other entities the task to provide assistance to the population.

“In this context,” Barrera said, “the UN together with the entire humanitarian community have advocated for the government to take up its primary responsibilities while providing the necessary assistance to cover the humanitarian needs of the population.

“While firmly advocating on the humanitarian principles and international human rights standards, the humanitarian partners are also striving to pursue a constructive engagement with the government to ensure the respect of these principles. These advocacy efforts were further escalated after the events on 9 October, 2016.”

The UN, Barrera said, is “committed to remain engaged in supporting solutions in Rakhine state to the benefit of all communities and individuals. The contribution from all development and humanitarian partners, including UN agencies, NGOs, diplomatic missions, consultants and experts, is very much sought and welcome. There is certainly a need to join forces of all diverse entities in order to support constructive approaches to improve the situation of the population in Rakhine state."

Where does all this leave Muslims?

If mass violence does return to Rakhine, it would most likely be perpetrated by the military in response to an act of Rohingya militancy.

“We are not terrorists,” declares Atta Ullah, the leader of the Rohingya insurgency, speaking into the camera in a video released last year, as fighting between the insurgents and Myanmar army raged. Beside him laid wounded comrades, displaying visible gunshot injuries. “We do not want anything except our rights.”

A press release from the group announced in March: “We were hoping that [the] international community would take necessary measures including sending peacekeeping forces... to protect Rohingya from being subject to genocide We demand... [our] rights.”

Abdel is determined to ensure that he, his family and friends do not take up arms.

Like the overwhelming majority of Muslims in these camps, they view themselves as victims and don’t believe their plight will improve if they use weapons.

Yet such restraint, while admirable, alters nothing: Muslims like Abdel must still endure life in the open-air prison to which he has grown accustomed, knowing full well that he is set to be immured in its confines for years to come, even as development money looks set to flow into the city where he once lived freely.

Whether the Rohingya men, women and children, herded into those camps, will ever benefit from that investment remains to be seen.

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The UN has failed at everything. It is a western organisation like NATO whose job is to do their work. It baffles me that Muslims depend on a non Muslim organisation to help them liberate their lands or help save Muslim lives. This is not to suggest that Muslim organisations like OIC are any effective either. Muslims have no leaders or organisations that speak or work for them.
 
The Rohingya are not linked to a holy site or wanted by a nuclear power so their plight goes unnoticed. Shows the state of the world we live in.
 
The Rohingya are not linked to a holy site or wanted by a nuclear power so their plight goes unnoticed. Shows the state of the world we live in.

Sure but you can bet your pound sterling if they were Christians or Jews not only would they receive mass coverage but the fake winner of the peace prize would be back in jail. Of course the western governments dont give a damn unless it's in their own interests but where are the Muslim nations? Let's be frank Burma is no superpower, a few dozen airstrikes and it will be defeated. Turkey and Pakistan should step in here.
 
Sure but you can bet your pound sterling if they were Christians or Jews not only would they receive mass coverage but the fake winner of the peace prize would be back in jail. Of course the western governments dont give a damn unless it's in their own interests but where are the Muslim nations? Let's be frank Burma is no superpower, a few dozen airstrikes and it will be defeated. Turkey and Pakistan should step in here.

Likewise, if it was Palestine or Kashmir folks would be bawling their hearts out day and night but because it's Myanmar all couldn't care less.

Of course, go ahead and suggest an aerial bombing raid on the poor sods over this.
 
The UN has failed at everything. It is a western organisation like NATO whose job is to do their work. It baffles me that Muslims depend on a non Muslim organisation to help them liberate their lands or help save Muslim lives. This is not to suggest that Muslim organisations like OIC are any effective either. Muslims have no leaders or organisations that speak or work for them.

I never understood why people like you look at the world as

The world vs muslims
 
Likewise, if it was Palestine or Kashmir folks would be bawling their hearts out day and night but because it's Myanmar all couldn't care less.

Of course, go ahead and suggest an aerial bombing raid on the poor sods over this.

Maybe you're not aware but here in the UK Muslim have arranged many charity events to raise money and highlight the plight of these people. It's a one of the biggest crimes of humanity today but all we hear in the press is there is a conflict going on when the truth is, it's one sided ethnic cleansing.

Nothing wrong with bombing the military and government buildings of those who allow such cleansing to take place.

And people foolishly believe Bhuddists are flower powered pacifists.
 
Sure but you can bet your pound sterling if they were Christians or Jews not only would they receive mass coverage but the fake winner of the peace prize would be back in jail. Of course the western governments dont give a damn unless it's in their own interests but where are the Muslim nations? Let's be frank Burma is no superpower, a few dozen airstrikes and it will be defeated. Turkey and Pakistan should step in here.

Why should pakistan step in here?

Muslims in china also have to suffer, but should that stop our cpec?

If you say that we should step in on himanitarian groubds, that makes sense.

But to step in just because we have same religion?
 
Why should pakistan step in here?

Muslims in china also have to suffer, but should that stop our cpec?

If you say that we should step in on humanitarian grounds, that makes sense.

But to step in just because we have same religion?

Where did I write on religious grounds? I clearly pointed towards humanitarian grounds, unless you ethnic cleansing doesn't fall into this category? Your comparison with China is poor as China is only having problems with a certain group of Muslims ,it's not cleansing all Muslims from it's land.

Why not Pakistan along with Turkey? Both nations have strong air forces ,even pressure by them and the mere threat of strikes will bring the issue to the mainstream and force change but a threat mustn't be a lame threat but a promise to act if things don't change.
 
Sure but you can bet your pound sterling if they were Christians or Jews not only would they receive mass coverage but the fake winner of the peace prize would be back in jail. Of course the western governments dont give a damn unless it's in their own interests but where are the Muslim nations? Let's be frank Burma is no superpower, a few dozen airstrikes and it will be defeated. Turkey and Pakistan should step in here.

Western governments have tinges of neo-colonialism in their foreign policy. Anyone not of economic value is discarded and forgotten.

I don't know but I'm inclined to think you're overplaying the Christian angle. Christians are dying at the hands of Israelis in Palestine and by others in Egypt and they're only ever mentioned for point scoring in PR contests. Jews are obviously being used by Zionist ideologues so there is a case there. All said and done, it's not about religion as much it is about realpolitik, the only reason Islam is being demonised is because the vast amount of power is to be had in Muslim regions, the same reason that Judaism was hijacked by Zionists.

There's no way Pakistan or Turkey can be said to represent Muslim interests and be ready to 'step in' for Muslims. They are both pawns and are being cleverly manipulated by the global elite. Pakistan is neutralised by India and vice versa. Some would say it is why the creation of Pakistan was backed by Britain, that region has no influence beyond its own boundaries unless India and Pakistan can sort their differences. Both countries encourage the slaughter of Muslims when it suits their own purposes.

The reality is, those who analyse the situation in depth come to realise Muslims don't have any real representation. It is why groups like Daesh and Al Qaeda are able to recruit so many young naive Muslims with the 'Ummah' mindset. I think these groups are created by Western agencies to fish out anyone willing to challenge the status quo. The Rohingya and many other shaheed are victims of selfish Muslim rulers who are backed by jahil people. It's why I'm following the NS corruption scandal so closely, hoping against hope that change is on the horizon
 
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Rohingyas are unfortunate that they arent in a location of geo strategic importance for the major powers that their plight isnt highlighted at all.

At least a U.N Peacekeeping force could have been sent in there but without the major players pushing for anything the U.N is quite toothless.

But Burma's neighbours response has been pretty pathetic too. You'd expect some pressure but then again China wont care it already treat Uyghurs similar to Rohingyas.

N India n Pakistan are mired in their own issues while Bangladesh wants to build a figurative wall to keep them out. Seems like they have no allies sadly.
 
Western governments have tinges of neo-colonialism in their foreign policy. Anyone not of economic value is discarded and forgotten.

I don't know but I'm inclined to think you're overplaying the Christian angle. Christians are dying at the hands of Israelis in Palestine and by others in Egypt and they're only ever mentioned for point scoring in PR contests. Jews are obviously being used by Zionist ideologues so there is a case there. All said and done, it's not about religion as much it is about realpolitik, the only reason Islam is being demonised is because the vast amount of power is to be had in Muslim regions, the same reason that Judaism was hijacked by Zionists.

There's no way Pakistan or Turkey can be said to represent Muslim interests and be ready to 'step in' for Muslims. They are both pawns and are being cleverly manipulated by the global elite. Pakistan is neutralised by India and vice versa. Some would say it is why the creation of Pakistan was backed by Britain, that region has no influence beyond its own boundaries unless India and Pakistan can sort their differences. Both countries encourage the slaughter of Muslims when it suits their own purposes.

The reality is, those who analyse the situation in depth come to realise Muslims don't have any real representation. It is why groups like Daesh and Al Qaeda are able to recruit so many young naive Muslims with the 'Ummah' mindset. I think these groups are created by Western agencies to fish out anyone willing to challenge the status quo. The Rohingya and many other shaheed are victims of selfish Muslim rulers who are backed by jahil people. It's why I'm following the NS corruption scandal so closely, hoping against hope that change is on the horizon

Christians in Palestine or Egypt are minimal, minorities. Nothing of the proportions were see here but I understand your point. I agree Turkey and Pakistan are not saviours of Muslims, far from it but doing something here could be political advantages for both nations . E.g If Nawaz Sharif was to take a strong stand(we know he wont) he would gain so much political points as people of both countries give huge respect to those leaders who are seen as saviours of Muslims, Erdogan gained his power due to such feelings along with other policies he suggested.

I dont expect anything to happen.
 
I never understood why people like you look at the world as

The world vs muslims

Because the thread starter has asked why the UN has failed the Muslim's of Myanmar. Also because Muslims are the greatest victims of the so called war on terrorism. How many non Muslim countries have been invaded by the west or bombed in to oblivion? It is not about Muslim's versus the rest rather that Muslim's just happen to have their lands under occupation by non Muslim's in case it missed you. I would have said the same if Christian's were the victims of such oppression as well.
 
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Heck yeah, the UN has failed and the Rohingyas are really on their own, only the Lord can help them.
 
Maybe you're not aware but here in the UK Muslim have arranged many charity events to raise money and highlight the plight of these people. It's a one of the biggest crimes of humanity today but all we hear in the press is there is a conflict going on when the truth is, it's one sided ethnic cleansing.

A niche coffee table meeting isn't what I'm referring to. Where is the non-stop, woodpecker like whining online and on television media? Where are the subtle plots hatched in certain territories to teach Myanmar a lesson? Where are the crocodile tears that are seemingly in endless supply when it comes to Israel, or India, or USA?

There's a set of tier-A situations which receive the above privileges and the R-guys are unfortunate to be part of that. No sir, they're lumped with the likes of their U-guys from China, the Yemenis being bombed as we speak, the Muslims who receive zero airtime in Africa, and dare I say it - the poor victims in Pakistan / Afghanistan who experience such restlessness in their neighbourhood.
 
Bangladesh should accept these Rohingyas and seal the border.

Rohingyas look like Bangladeshis and Indians. They don't look Burmese. So any Rohingya person walking on the street can easily be identified by Burmese and targeted.
 
A niche coffee table meeting isn't what I'm referring to. Where is the non-stop, woodpecker like whining online and on television media? Where are the subtle plots hatched in certain territories to teach Myanmar a lesson? Where are the crocodile tears that are seemingly in endless supply when it comes to Israel, or India, or USA?

There's a set of tier-A situations which receive the above privileges and the R-guys are unfortunate to be part of that. No sir, they're lumped with the likes of their U-guys from China, the Yemenis being bombed as we speak, the Muslims who receive zero airtime in Africa, and dare I say it - the poor victims in Pakistan / Afghanistan who experience such restlessness in their neighbourhood.

Myanmar has Chinese backing. Nobody can touch them in Asia.

Politics are weird. China on one hand allows Myanmar to target Rohingyas and on the other hand cries crocodile tears for Kashmir and offers mediation.

Everyone including all Muslim countries like Pak knows what is happening. But the Islamic countries only show selective concerns only if it suits their plans.
 
I don't know but I'm inclined to think you're overplaying the Christian angle. Christians are dying at the hands of Israelis in Palestine and by others in Egypt and they're only ever mentioned for point scoring in PR contests. Jews are obviously being used by Zionist ideologues so there is a case there. All said and done, it's not about religion as much it is about realpolitik, the only reason Islam is being demonised is because the vast amount of power is to be had in Muslim regions, the same reason that Judaism was hijacked by Zionists.

Pretty much. If this much resources were in Hindu lands then Hindus would have been the targets. If Muslims were the real enemy then KKWC and PakLFC wouldn't be sitting and living comfortable lives in the West while bemoaning how the West hates Muslims.

Its all about geopolitik. The West needs the resources, the oil which don't belong to them. So creating ghosts and monsters ala terrorists helps them achieve their goal of targeting said nations. Let's all not forget all these scumbag organisations were created by the CIA or their funding. From AQ to IS the two biggest examples.
 
The West only care for Muslim lives when its in their economic or political interests to intervene. Europe didn't lift a finger when ethnic cleansing was happening on its doorstep in Bosnia.

The Muslims of Bosnia are white and some of the most liberal in the entire world. Yet the UN imposed an arms embargo which disproportionately affected the weaker Bosnian army leaving them defenceless and at the mercy of Serb savagery.

So you can be sure help will not be on its way for the Rohingyas who like the Bosnians aren't sitting on any oil that could be plundered.

It also highlights the utter failure of the Muslim World, riven by infighting, corruption and lack of leadership, that it cannot protect its own people. How many Rohingyan refugees have they taken in ? What efforts are being made to broker peace ? Organisations like OIC are a joke - nowhere to be seen in a crisis.
 
The West only care for Muslim lives when its in their economic or political interests to intervene. Europe didn't lift a finger when ethnic cleansing was happening on its doorstep in Bosnia.

The West aren't Muslim nations and shouldn't be expected to care for any other Muslim nations to begin with. At least they care about some, though the ulterior motives for this can be debated.

The Islamic countries are the ones who have to be hauled up if we're even in this game of pegging responsibility to countries for this crisis.
 
Where did I write on religious grounds? I clearly pointed towards humanitarian grounds, unless you ethnic cleansing doesn't fall into this category? Your comparison with China is poor as China is only having problems with a certain group of Muslims ,it's not cleansing all Muslims from it's land.

Why not Pakistan along with Turkey? Both nations have strong air forces ,even pressure by them and the mere threat of strikes will bring the issue to the mainstream and force change but a threat mustn't be a lame threat but a promise to act if things don't change.

It's a simplistic view to imagine that Pakistan or Turkey could interfere without backing from NATO which is the real world power. Countries that take military matters into their own hands will have to answer at some point to big brother. Just look at Turkey and their military forays since NATO stepped in against ISIS. There are countless different factions all supported by different govts. The Rohingya have to be seen in a global context as well. No country like Pakistan or Turkey is going to get involved without clearing it through the UN/NATO first.
 
The idea of Pakistan and Turkey intervening is a fantasy. Everyone has seen how Turkey have destabilised Syria and have committed abuses against the Kurds in the southeast. There is zero chance of Burma's government accepting Turkish troops on its soil, and Erdogan's government has no interest fighting a war or peacekeeping in south Asia when it cannot keep peace on its own doorstep in Iraq and Syria.

Plus Turkey are a part of NATO so cannot simply act unilaterally to commit troops to a part of the world where NATO have no interests.

Pakistan already has its hands full on the western frontier with Afghanistan, on the eastern frontier and in Balochistan. Why would Pakistan overstretch itself ? Not to mention at a time of ongoing political turmoil.

Burma's military is backed by the Chinese too - Pakistan will not endanger relations with its closest ally in China, at a time when CPEC is progressing, for the sake of being thekadar of the Muslim Ummah.

A more realistic policy is focusing on diplomatic pressure, mediation, offering humanitarian aid and accepting some refugees.
 
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The idea of Pakistan and Turkey intervening is a fantasy. Everyone has seen how Turkey have destabilised Syria and have committed abuses against the Kurds in the southeast. There is zero chance of Burma's government accepting Turkish troops on its soil, and Erdogan's government has no interest fighting a war in south Asia.

Plus Turkey are a part of NATO so cannot simply act unilaterally to commit troops to a part of the world where NATO have no interests.

Pakistan already has its hands full on the western frontier with Afghanistan, on the eastern frontier and in Balochistan. Why would Pakistan overstretch itself ? Not to mention at a time of ongoing political turmoil.

Burma's military is backed by the Chinese too - Pakistan will not endanger relations with its closest ally in China, at a time when CPEC is progressing, for the sake of being thekadar of the Muslim Ummah.

A more realistic policy is focusing on diplomatic pressure, mediation, offering humanitarian aid and accepting some refugees.

Since you brought up the ummah again, I will re-iterate the point I made about it in the dedicated thread. There is only one ummah when it comes to political and military muscle and that is NATO which is headed by non-muslim countries. Ironically one of the last times Pakistani troops operated on behalf of this 'ummah' was when they were sent to Sudan as UN peace keeping forces and lost many soldiers in the fight against the warlords. If the NATO ummah decides to send Pakistan troops to engage in Burma, who knows perhaps it might happen here too? I can't see it being a priority though.
 
Bangladesh should accept these Rohingyas and seal the border.

Rohingyas look like Bangladeshis and Indians. They don't look Burmese. So any Rohingya person walking on the street can easily be identified by Burmese and targeted.

They are not Indians.The govt is already looking to deport the illegal Rohingyas who have entered into India.
 
Where did I write on religious grounds? I clearly pointed towards humanitarian grounds, unless you ethnic cleansing doesn't fall into this category? Your comparison with China is poor as China is only having problems with a certain group of Muslims ,it's not cleansing all Muslims from it's land.

Why not Pakistan along with Turkey? Both nations have strong air forces ,even pressure by them and the mere threat of strikes will bring the issue to the mainstream and force change but a threat mustn't be a lame threat but a promise to act if things don't change.

Through which territory will PAF fly to Myanmar?

PAF cannot do anything in Myanmar.
 
It's a simplistic view to imagine that Pakistan or Turkey could interfere without backing from NATO which is the real world power. Countries that take military matters into their own hands will have to answer at some point to big brother. Just look at Turkey and their military forays since NATO stepped in against ISIS. There are countless different factions all supported by different govts. The Rohingya have to be seen in a global context as well. No country like Pakistan or Turkey is going to get involved without clearing it through the UN/NATO first.

As I wrote earlier, I dont expect it to happen but I hope this would happen. It's an important difference.

Turkey is part of Nato but is now buying weapons from Russia because Nato will not provide them. Its not as simplistic as some seem to think.

Diplomatic pressure doesn't seem to be taking place and in the meantime a whole group of people are being ethnically cleansed , not much different to how Hitler cleansed the Jews.
 
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They are staying illegally in India.They should go to their own country.India isnt dumping ground of refugees.

Bangladeshi Pakistani Lankan refugees everyone thinks India is the place to go.Stay there do jobs take citizenship all is set.No more.Hope GOI deports all illegal immigrants.
 
Meanwhile the heartless witch Aung San Suu Kyi remains silent. When she was imprisoned the whole world spoke up for her and now that others need her to speak up for them she's nowhere to be seen.
 
They are staying illegally in India.They should go to their own country.India isnt dumping ground of refugees.

Bangladeshi Pakistani Lankan refugees everyone thinks India is the place to go.Stay there do jobs take citizenship all is set.No more.Hope GOI deports all illegal immigrants.

I agree they should try other nations instead. Foolish to think a country like India would show them compassion esp with a right wing Hindu extremist government in power.
 
I agree they should try other nations instead. Foolish to think a country like India would show them compassion esp with a right wing Hindu extremist government in power.

Your snide pot shots mean little to anyone.

If you are so compassionate take them into Pakistan.I am sure the resources vacated by Hindus who migrated to India can be used here.

We already have Lankan Tamils,Bangladeshis,Pakistani hindus to take care ofm
 
They are staying illegally in India.They should go to their own country.India isnt dumping ground of refugees.

Bangladeshi Pakistani Lankan refugees everyone thinks India is the place to go.Stay there do jobs take citizenship all is set.No more.Hope GOI deports all illegal immigrants.

Well said joshila bhai. India is quite right to show the Bangladeshis the way home. They voted for independence now they should live with it. India has more important ties to secure with countries like Israel which are beneficial for partitioned India.
 
Well said joshila bhai. India is quite right to show the Bangladeshis the way home. They voted for independence now they should live with it. India has more important ties to secure with countries like Israel which are beneficial for partitioned India.

The bangladeshis didnot vote for independence,they fought through a genocide inflicted upon them to win Independence.

Bangladeshis are welcomed in India coming through the correct channels.The majority of illegal immigrants from BD are urdu speaking muslims.
 
The bangladeshis didnot vote for independence,they fought through a genocide inflicted upon them to win Independence.

Bangladeshis are welcomed in India coming through the correct channels.The majority of illegal immigrants from BD are urdu speaking muslims.

Ideally Bangladesh should take them in, but they have been heartless just like Burma. India is the next natural destination where rohingyas can feel at home, and a few thousands won't make any difference, since india has nepalese and sri lankan tamils staying on its soil.
 
Ideally Bangladesh should take them in, but they have been heartless just like Burma. India is the next natural destination where rohingyas can feel at home, and a few thousands won't make any difference, since india has nepalese and sri lankan tamils staying on its soil.

These few few thousands have now resulted in millions.The state policy has to be clear that refugees are not welcomed,illegal immigrants are not welcomed.India has to be a unwelcoming place for refugees and illegal immigrants so that none of them even thinks about coming to India.
 
These few few thousands have now resulted in millions.The state policy has to be clear that refugees are not welcomed,illegal immigrants are not welcomed.India has to be a unwelcoming place for refugees and illegal immigrants so that none of them even thinks about coming to India.

Unless they are Hindus or Sikhs living in Pakistan. I believe your govt welcomed those guys so maybe that is the reason why there is less space for Bangladeshis ( not sure what religion they are).
 
India is a very Brutal Nation to terrorize the already frightened Rohingyas.

There are few of them rotting in the graveyards of foreign terrorists in Kashmir. Muslim refugees are vulnerable to brainwashing that's why they're are attacking countries which ever gave them asylum. First countries are failing to restrict them from being jihadis i don't think a third world country like india is capable of doing it.
 
There are few of them rotting in the graveyards of foreign terrorists in Kashmir. Muslim refugees are vulnerable to brainwashing that's why they're are attacking countries which ever gave them asylum. First countries are failing to restrict them from being jihadis i don't think a third world country like india is capable of doing it.

So if I understand it correctly, you are saying that it is the Rohingyas who are the problem and not the victims of the ethnic cleansing? Interesting viewpoint if not in line with what is actually being reported since the trouble flared in Burma. Thank you for your input, always useful to get an Indian viewpoint.
 
So if I understand it correctly, you are saying that it is the Rohingyas who are the problem and not the victims of the ethnic cleansing? Interesting viewpoint if not in line with what is actually being reported since the trouble flared in Burma. Thank you for your input, always useful to get an Indian viewpoint.

The main problem is that india don't have sufficient mechanism to monitor these guys. IMO UN should create separate country for refugees, It's better to keep them there than in countries where they are failing to assimilate.
 
The main problem is that india don't have sufficient mechanism to monitor these guys. IMO UN should create separate country for refugees, It's better to keep them there than in countries where they are failing to assimilate.

Where would be a good part of Bangladesh for them to be kept in for now? Maybe build some huts which can stand clear of rising waters and see if they can assimilate better there? Of course one of the problems with the sea is it won't respect the borders of 1947 so you can imagine the pesky Rohingya problem is only going to get worse with them failing to assimilate in ever increasing numbers over the coming years.
 
Where would be a good part of Bangladesh for them to be kept in for now? Maybe build some huts which can stand clear of rising waters and see if they can assimilate better there? Of course one of the problems with the sea is it won't respect the borders of 1947 so you can imagine the pesky Rohingya problem is only going to get worse with them failing to assimilate in ever increasing numbers over the coming years.

They would be in a better position than being in a situation in which they were..... [MENTION=79064]MMHS[/MENTION]
 
India is already home to 20 million illegal immigrants from Bangladesh so what difference with another 40,000 rohingyas make. India should grant them asylum, especially the women and children.
 
Unless they are Hindus or Sikhs living in Pakistan. I believe your govt welcomed those guys so maybe that is the reason why there is less space for Bangladeshis ( not sure what religion they are).

No illegal immigrants and refugees means no one.
 
India is already home to 20 million illegal immigrants from Bangladesh so what difference with another 40,000 rohingyas make. India should grant them asylum, especially the women and children.

No thank you.No one should be granted asylum in India and strain our resources.Already we have 1.25bn people.

Then bangladeshi refugess Tibetan Lankan Tamils Pakistani hindus.There is no space.Tax payers money is not for this.
 
The main problem is that india don't have sufficient mechanism to monitor these guys. IMO UN should create separate country for refugees, It's better to keep them there than in countries where they are failing to assimilate.

Why should resources be used on these people?Dont we have enough indians to look after?
 
No thank you.No one should be granted asylum in India and strain our resources.Already we have 1.25bn people.

Then bangladeshi refugess Tibetan Lankan Tamils Pakistani hindus.There is no space.Tax payers money is not for this.

As I already said, you invited Hindu and Sikh residents from Pakistan to come and apply to live in India, so that can't be true.
 
Sure but you can bet your pound sterling if they were Christians or Jews not only would they receive mass coverage but the fake winner of the peace prize would be back in jail. Of course the western governments dont give a damn unless it's in their own interests but where are the Muslim nations? Let's be frank Burma is no superpower, a few dozen airstrikes and it will be defeated. Turkey and Pakistan should step in here.

Why do you want the Western Governments to come and give a lift to Muslim refugees? Why should the Christian and Jewish West have to worry about Muslim refugees in Burma?

Arab countries are rich enough to more than handle these poor refugees.
 
As I already said, you invited Hindu and Sikh residents from Pakistan to come and apply to live in India, so that can't be true.

I didnot.If the govt did i dont support such policies.

We have enough indians to take care of and i dont care what religion they are from.They are Indians and thats what matters for me.
 
I didnot.If the govt did i dont support such policies.

We have enough indians to take care of and i dont care what religion they are from.They are Indians and thats what matters for me.

fortunately those in power and policy making don't follow your ideology. and that is what matters.
 
Why do you want the Western Governments to come and give a lift to Muslim refugees? Why should the Christian and Jewish West have to worry about Muslim refugees in Burma?

Arab countries are rich enough to more than handle these poor refugees.

Everybody should, its called compassion. I dont expect a country like India who has voted in a right wing Hindu extremist government to care about Muslims though.
 
Everybody should, its called compassion. I dont expect a country like India who has voted in a right wing Hindu extremist government to care about Muslims though.

Why isnt islamic republic of pakistan taking them in?
 
fortunately those in power and policy making don't follow your ideology. and that is what matters.

The govt has already brought down illegal immigration from BD.Border will be sealed by 2018.100s of 1000s of illegal immigrants have had their names struck off from electoral rolls in last 12 to 18 months so its happening.

Visas to Pakistanis are down to a trickle so doesnt matter which religion,No pakistani can come and then ask for asylum.

So actually govt is thinking along such lines.
 
Everybody should, its called compassion. I dont expect a country like India who has voted in a right wing Hindu extremist government to care about Muslims though.

Compassion would come from Family (Ummah) first. Sitting on an internet forum and complaining would not work.

All Arab countries should take a few thousand and the problem will be solved. Instead of importing cheap labor from South India, Arab countries should import these Rohingya as workers.
 
They would be in a better position than being in a situation in which they were..... [MENTION=79064]MMHS[/MENTION]

For last 10-12 years, over a quarter million Rohinga's are living illegally in Bangladesh - at one point, it went much higher, but Govt. has been strict on this in last few months. I do understand their sufferings & feel for them, but BD is by far the most dense country in world. If you take out City based states like Singapore, Hong Kong, Monaco, our density is around 1200/sqKM, next is South Korea at around 450 & next probably India at 350+ .... that's more than twice of the 2nd country. The economy is growing fast, still it's one of the poorest country in world & we simply can't accommodate 2mn Rogingas without expanding the border. Besides, these hapless people are deprived of any human skill development for generations - they are basically illiterate human being without any technical skills apart from traditional fishing/sailing & agriculture, therefore they can't be consumed even as factory workers or transportation labor.

I see, two realistic solution is this - one won't be accepted by Bangladeshis, the other by Myanmar. We can arrange a peaceful migration of Rohinga people with our tribal people (The Chakmas & other tribes, mostly Buddhists), like it happened in 1947 or 1965 in Punjab & Bengal (BUT, must has to be much more peaceful). I don't see BD Govt. or our tribal people accepting that - because, over last 40 years, we have done lot to integrate the tribal people in the system - there are 4 MPs, 2 Ministers & at least 6 Secretary level bureaucrats, several SP or above level Police officers, District judges, Civil Servants, Doctors & Engineers from Chakma, Mog, Murong & other tribes (The President of Ivy Business School, University of Western Ontario is a Bangladeshi Chakma); there is around 3% quota for tribal people in almost every Govt. establishments (that's on top of whoever makes it on merit) .... these people won't go to Myanmar at any cost (neither BD Govt. 'll allow it's skilled people to leave with their assets).

2nd solution is - a considerate annexation of part of Rakhaine state with Bangladesh - it's around 36,000 Sq KM, with 3.5mn population, roughly half Rohinga, so, may be 18,000sqkm annexation is logical, but UN can intervene in this regard for a justifiable share. However, Rohinga's hardly own any land or asset in Myanmar, therefore, they won't spare a single squire KM in this regard, rather they'll keep doing what they have been doing for ages - ethnic cleansing of Rohinga Muslims.

I honestly want to do something for these poor people, who are suffering hell in this world (I in fact donate regularly in the Rohinga fund - one such effort arranged by a committee to support these people), but I don't know what's the solution.
 
Compassion would come from Family (Ummah) first. Sitting on an internet forum and complaining would not work.

All Arab countries should take a few thousand and the problem will be solved. Instead of importing cheap labor from South India, Arab countries should import these Rohingya as workers.

I dont live in Arab countries but the UK which has taken many refugees from all areas of the world. I would like them to taken in more from Myanmar and have done my bit to request this from the government.

But didnt expect India or Indians to having a compassionate side. You cant even take care of your own people in desperate poverty.
 
Everybody should, its called compassion. I dont expect a country like India who has voted in a right wing Hindu extremist government to care about Muslims though.

How many refugees Arab countries has taken? Why is it that you expect from India but not from your fellow muslim countries?

on this topic, I personally do not mind India accepting refugees as long as count is low, something like under 100k. Also why is it only India's responsibility to get all the refugees. China, Thailand, Malaysia, Laos they all share border with Burma.
 
I dont live in Arab countries but the UK which has taken many refugees from all areas of the world. I would like them to taken in more from Myanmar and have done my bit to request this from the government.

But didnt expect India or Indians to having a compassionate side. You cant even take care of your own people in desperate poverty.

Hence we do not need any more poor Rohingya refugees. Rich Arab nations and West should take them. But West is Evil and killed millions of Muslims as per you? So the onus is on Arab nations to save the day for Rohingyas.
 
How many refugees Arab countries has taken? Why is it that you expect from India but not from your fellow muslim countries?

on this topic, I personally do not mind India accepting refugees as long as count is low, something like under 100k. Also why is it only India's responsibility to get all the refugees. China, Thailand, Malaysia, Laos they all share border with Burma.

You do realise refugees tend to go to the nearest land of safety first? You expect them to navigate their tiny boats around India, cross the oceans into Europe without serious risk of death? Yes China and others should take them in to and any nation which can. Where did I say Arabs shouldn't ?

But I agree Indians dont and wont , they lack compassion as a nation imo.
[MENTION=141520]troodon[/MENTION] refer to above.
 
You do realise refugees tend to go to the nearest land of safety first? You expect them to navigate their tiny boats around India, cross the oceans into Europe without serious risk of death? Yes China and others should take them in to and any nation which can. Where did I say Arabs shouldn't ?

But I agree Indians dont and wont , they lack compassion as a nation imo.
[MENTION=141520]troodon[/MENTION] refer to above.

China taking Muslim refugees? :)) Will never happen.

India has 60 crore people taking a dump outside. You want to add a couple of lakhs of them and make them relieve outside too? Where are the facilities?
 
You do realise refugees tend to go to the nearest land of safety first? You expect them to navigate their tiny boats around India, cross the oceans into Europe without serious risk of death? Yes China and others should take them in to and any nation which can. Where did I say Arabs shouldn't ?

But I agree Indians dont and wont , they lack compassion as a nation imo.
[MENTION=141520]troodon[/MENTION] refer to above.

Dude, countries like China, Laos, Thailand, BD also share border with Burma - not only India
 
China taking Muslim refugees? :)) Will never happen.

India has 60 crore people taking a dump outside. You want to add a couple of lakhs of them and make them relieve outside too? Where are the facilities?

Exactly. In China muslims can't even practice their religion openly but I have never seen any Pakistani going after China.
 
Exactly. In China muslims can't even practice their religion openly but I have never seen any Pakistani going after China.

lol. This is a classic example of a little knowledge being dangerous. If I prove to you Muslims can practice their faith openly in China and show pictues of beautiful mosques, will you leave this forum? As it's tedious debating with someone who is totally ignorant. :)
 
lol. This is a classic example of a little knowledge being dangerous. If I prove to you Muslims can practice their faith openly in China and show pictues of beautiful mosques, will you leave this forum? As it's tedious debating with someone who is totally ignorant. :)

Why dont you read few links here.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/w...nce-extremism-crackdown-freedom-a7657826.html

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/w...muslim-holy-month-islam-fasting-a7765836.html

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2...eligious-names-for-muslims-babies-in-xinjiang
 
lol. This is a classic example of a little knowledge being dangerous. If I prove to you Muslims can practice their faith openly in China and show pictues of beautiful mosques, will you leave this forum? As it's tedious debating with someone who is totally ignorant. :)

Also why you think China is not taking any refugees from Myanmar?
 
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