The myth of 'Pakistan mai talent bohat hai'

[Nikhil_cric]

Plenty of talent but I guess fans are victims of their own history - or atleast whatever they remember of their own history while being oblivious to the changes in the cricketing world around

 

[Hasan]

It’s not a myth but a reality. Pakistan has abundance of talent however that talent is not nurtured because Pak fans, media and administrators do not have the patience and vision to let the latent mature.

We are forever looking for quick fixes rather than accepting of short term pain to allow a set and settled team and management to emerge.

Pakistan talent has given us success far beyond what the nation could expect from an incoherent and disruptive set up.

I just wished the fans, media and administrators could back the players through thick and thin, afford the players to find their feet on the international stage and be accepting of the fact that in sport (as in life) you have ups and downs. Enjoy the game and not use it to further personal biases and agenda.

 

[Usman Chadda]

Talent is the main reason for us even being remotely competitive in today's cricketing world. Our grassroots level is so messed up, the common Pakistan fan hardly has any idea about the destruction that has been caused in the last decade or so.

Sri Lanka and Bangladesh have tremendously more mature systems than ours, let alone the top level teams.

It's the perseverance of the cricketers coming through that even leaves us with a semblance of competitiveness.

 

[Angrez Pakistani]

Pakistan has talent, but the problem is that it lacks the capacity to grow and the system lacks the capacity to nurture that growth.

 

[coy0607]

Essentially since the 2011 World Cup, we have never seen a Pakistani Team team composed solely of the most talented (or best performing domestic) players at each position.

Even now, Shan Masood and Abid Ali are NOT the best openers in Pakistan. These guys average in the mid to high 30's in First Class. And are no where near top run getters in the QAE.

Same thing goes for some of the bowler; Yasir, Naseem and Abbas are not top performers in First Class. Not even close

The major selection criteria for the Test team now is just your 'seniority' (or age), your connections and if you are liked by the coach/selector/captain

 

[IAJ]

Pakistan has talent but lacks talent of discovering the talent.

 

[ElRaja]

pakistan has as much talent as any country of 200 million where arguably 75% of the population have access to the sport at a semi professional level.

what pakistan lacks is professionalism, there is no way the best talents of aus or eng would prosper if they played 6 or 7 first class games a year, and toured pak or india with no prior experience of these countries conditions.

arrange at least 3 first class games for the shaheens in the southern hemisphere and you will get a meterial improvement in the teams performance in 3 or 4 years.

 

[Markhor]

Even now, Shan Masood and Abid Ali are NOT the best openers in Pakistan. These guys average in the mid to high 30's in First Class.

Who are the best openers in reserve ? Imam-ul-Haq and Imran Butt have only one FC season in their career where they averaged above 40. Abid's done so six times.

Imran Butt's only big season was on dead flat pitches last year when everyone scored runs for fun. Imam was found out against the short ball and outside offstump even in UAE Tests.

The top scoring opener in QEA Trophy this season is Sharjeel Khan. Domestic journeymen like Zain Abbas and Israrullah are next. The youngsters like bin Yousuf and Zaryab aren't anywhere close.

 

[Saj]

Overused word is talent when it comes to Pakistan cricket.

Our version of talent is a promising young kid who has played a couple of good knocks in domestic cricket or taken a couple of 5fers.

The strongest cricketing nations version of talent is a young yet already battle-hardened cricketer who has shown his mettle and skills in domestic cricket particularly in the 4-day format.

 

[Titan24]

Overused word is talent when it comes to Pakistan cricket.

Our version of talent is a promising young kid who has played a couple of good knocks in domestic cricket or taken a couple of 5fers.

The strongest cricketing nations version of talent is a young yet already battle-hardened cricketer who has shown his mettle and skills in domestic cricket particularly in the 4-day format.

Absolutely.

 

[hoshiarpurexpress]

you have to be one thick person to call Haris Sohail or any cricketer ordinary after 17 matches or their first big tournament.

He played averagely which is actually a phenomenal way to start off your career. You have to be pretty thick to label him ordinary. Most players in most sports don't have their best form during the first 17 matches of their career.

Looks like Harris Sohail hype machine was up in 2015. Bonafide TTF now. Though injuries plagued him. Alas What could have been!!

 

[Chief Destroyer]

Pakistani mai ignorance bohat hai.

 

[azimiqbal]

I do believe Pakistan has a lot of talent but there is number factors why that talent is not materialising

1) players not being picked on merit - this is at the higher levels but even more hazardous at the lower levels , were deserving players are ignored and some leave cricket.

2) nurturing talent - we do not have any kind of system in place we’re players are nurtered to get the best out of them.

3)sport science - we are a decade behind other countries in the world , every team down to under 16 should have nutritionist etc

 

[wasim-fan]

It’s been years since I commented here. I am an Indian but avidly follow Pakistan cricket.

Muhammad Waseem is good man. Man of integrity. But he can’t create talent. The issue is not of selection. The issue seems to be of sustainable talent. Some players show immense potential for game or two then fade away.

In my view, overhaul will not work for Pakistan. Team will have to be built around core of seniors.

 

[shah_1]

We are only team in the world that picks 30+ age player consistently in the test team. Abid, Fawad, and now Tabish. Now media want Usman Salaudin. Where are the 21 to 23 year old youngsters debuting like we see in England and India(Gill, Pope, Crawley and Dan Lawernce)? There is no talent otherwise media wouldn't be crying about these oldies.

If managment does pick a youngster then it is some random 16 to 18 year old kid or a batmen with 1FC experince.

 

[Markhor]

We are only team in the world that picks 30+ age player consistently in the test team. Abid, Fawad, and now Tabish. Now media want Usman Salaudin. Where are the 21 to 23 year old youngsters debuting like we see in England and India(Gill, Pope, Crawley and Dan Lawernce)? There is no talent otherwise media wouldn't be crying about these oldies.

If managment does pick a youngster then it is some random 16 to 18 year old kid or a batmen with 1FC experince.

Exactly it's one extreme or the other. Selectors are not ruthless enough in discarding underperforming seniors. Look how long Asad Shafiq limped on.

 

[Bewal Express]

The problem is not talent but for the talent needs platforms to show case what they can do. Just a simple example, in how any countries would you have the likes of Dilbar and Haris playing tape ball cricket and not even being close to 1st class cricket. What we need is investment in clubs and more importantly,lots more clubs. This requires the PCB to stop being self serving and having a plan to develop proper grounds and leagues.
We need more 4 day matches, 10 isnt anywhere enough, there should be at least 16 a season.
We have the fast developments in Gwadar, why can't the PCB invest heavily in grounds just outside the city as land is likely to be cheaper and play more FC matches on purpose built grounds.

 

[Zaz]

Talent is there but talent alone only gets you so far You dont become a regular intnl quality cricketer on talent alone

Like many have said there isnt the system in place to nurture that talent and forge and sculpt it into battle hardened intnl cricketers who can show case their skill under pressure with consistentcy over a number of years

There isnt enough fc cricket first of all There needs to be at least 15 games per season for both first and second 11 The priority just seems to be t20 cricket The pcb needs to prioritise and incentivise it so more cricketers want to play the format and can forge and hone their skill in this format and then get picked having performed in this format

The changes in the fc system, in selection and televising fc are good and more needs to continue to be done

 

[Saj]

In recent times we have seen the huge gap between Pakistani domestic cricket and international cricket, where domestic performers by and large struggle when they enter international cricket.

In the past that gap was smaller and the players were better prepared and sometimes special cricketers.

PCB is trying to tackle this issue but it's going to take quite a few years.

 

[naseem]

A tours and training in foreign environment.... I.E bilateral collaboration with Eng/Aus/Nz/Sa will help....
Pak need to look beyond Zimbabwe for sure....need more tests and first class cricket......like 4 day tour games in SA AUS....or u19 u23 players getting to play
The touring teams......do a 2 month tour to UK.....in Ireland England and Holland..... This will help..

I think we need modern uptodate coaches too....not Misbah type.... Need Rixon type fielding coaches .....

 

[Colorblind Genius]

Perhaps talent is not that much of an issue as we may think it is. And perhaps we may be overly dependent on finding this so called “talent”.

What we actually and truly lack in our cricket atmosphere, and in our general social setup is “Great DISCIPLINE”.

The having of sharp focus and following a great discipline for a continuous and long amount of time is not in our nature. It’s not a part of social environment and we don’t have any good examples to follow.

By nature, our brains can’t even think to form a proper queue if there is a crowd.

We need security personal with guns and long sticks to force us in forming a queue. We can’t do it on our own.

This lack of great discipline is evident within our team environment. Many are not even college level graduates so expecting a great discipline is sometimes wishful thinking.

And mind you, discipline is not about acting like a school kid to be yes sir type of a good kid.

Discipline is about not letting yourself fall for anything that off tracks you from marching towards improvement.
Discipline is about staying away from controversy. Discipline is about earning respect with your actions.
Discipline is about being intelligent.
Discipline is about being able to think logically and act swiftly.
Discipline is about making the best use of your time in a positive and productive way.

 

[UzmanBeast]

Perhaps talent is not that much of an issue as we may think it is. And perhaps we may be overly dependent on finding this so called “talent”.

What we actually and truly lack in our cricket atmosphere, and in our general social setup is “Great DISCIPLINE”.

The having of sharp focus and following a great discipline for a continuous and long amount of time is not in our nature. It’s not a part of social environment and we don’t have any good examples to follow.

By nature, our brains can’t even think to form a proper queue if there is a crowd.

We need security personal with guns and long sticks to force us in forming a queue. We can’t do it on our own.

This lack of great discipline is evident within our team environment. Many are not even college level graduates so expecting a great discipline is sometimes wishful thinking.

And mind you, discipline is not about acting like a school kid to be yes sir type of a good kid.

Discipline is about not letting yourself fall for anything that off tracks you from marching towards improvement.
Discipline is about staying away from controversy. Discipline is about earning respect with your actions.
Discipline is about being intelligent.
Discipline is about being able to think logically and act swiftly.
Discipline is about making the best use of your time in a positive and productive way.

There is heaps of talent in Pakistan, it's just the disastrous grass-root systems filled with yes-men coaching and lack of player development skills that's been our downfall.

Our simple-minded management has potentially ruined Naseem Shah from what he could have been. I have said this time and time again, he was not a ready product. He did not deserve to go to that Australia tour. We should not have tampered with his opportunity to grow as a player. As a result, we have made him change his runup, lose heaps of confidence, and additionally left him in a worse position than we found him. Is that how you treat talent?

The thing is, Naseem's tale is just one of many where talent is carelessly managed and no development takes place, and whether that blame falls on the player or the management is different in every situation. A lot of people here have bitter memories of Ahmed Shehzad and Umar Akmal, but at one point in time, they were truly world beaters. They could have achieved so much in their careers by this stage if they had been managed properly, and also if they didn't have such attitude problems as well.

The list for bowlers goes on and on, and so many people forget Junaid Khan and others who were once great quality fast bowlers. Even right now, we are ignoring Usman Khan Shinwari in every series despite him performing better than others in ODI and FC. How you manage talent is the biggest determinant of your team.

I promise you, if Naseem Shah was in India, he would have played 2 or 3 seasons of Ranji Trophy before debuting, and the coaching staff would have figured out where he would be most effective, whilst we, Pakistan, the so-called "Land of Fast Bowlers" can't even understand that his natural line/length is either attaching the stumps or attacking the body.

We see this time and time again, and it's heartbreaking to see potential superstars fade away. So anyone who criticizes the country for having "depleted talent" needs to wake up and look at all the talent that has been wasted.

 

[Colorblind Genius]

There is heaps of talent in Pakistan, it's just the disastrous grass-root systems filled with yes-men coaching and lack of player development skills that's been our downfall.

Our simple-minded management has potentially ruined Naseem Shah from what he could have been. I have said this time and time again, he was not a ready product. He did not deserve to go to that Australia tour. We should not have tampered with his opportunity to grow as a player. As a result, we have made him change his runup, lose heaps of confidence, and additionally left him in a worse position than we found him. Is that how you treat talent?

The thing is, Naseem's tale is just one of many where talent is carelessly managed and no development takes place, and whether that blame falls on the player or the management is different in every situation. A lot of people here have bitter memories of Ahmed Shehzad and Umar Akmal, but at one point in time, they were truly world beaters. They could have achieved so much in their careers by this stage if they had been managed properly, and also if they didn't have such attitude problems as well.

The list for bowlers goes on and on, and so many people forget Junaid Khan and others who were once great quality fast bowlers. Even right now, we are ignoring Usman Khan Shinwari in every series despite him performing better than others in ODI and FC. How you manage talent is the biggest determinant of your team.

I promise you, if Naseem Shah was in India, he would have played 2 or 3 seasons of Ranji Trophy before debuting, and the coaching staff would have figured out where he would be most effective, whilst we, Pakistan, the so-called "Land of Fast Bowlers" can't even understand that his natural line/length is either attaching the stumps or attacking the body.

We see this time and time again, and it's heartbreaking to see potential superstars fade away. So anyone who criticizes the country for having "depleted talent" needs to wake up and look at all the talent that has been wasted.

I 100% agree with you in every point. This is part of a multifold problem.
I have spoken in the exact same sentiments as you just did.

My blood was boiling when I saw how Naseem was totally shattered in confidence when the mic picked up his conversation where he feared for being yelled at if he didnt take the single, and then in that presser where he sounded like a third grade school kid who was terrorized by a viscous teacher.

I wish if I could literally put Waqar and Misbah in jail for the crime they have committed in suffocating all the great potential this kid had.

However, there is another side of the story too. And that is developing personal trait and following a highly disciplined life style EVEN after you become a megastar.

Take a look at how easily many of our players fall off the track outside the cricket field. They land into trouble in seconds if not continuously monitored.
Drugs, corruption, fixing, breaking rules, staying up late at night while there is a game next day, personal parties and late night clubbing at tours. There is a serious lack of professionalism while at work.

These are things that are part of person and they are developed in a social set up where they only see such things and they only do these things.

Becoming a great player, not only requires talent and good grooming of that talent but it must also be supported by a great discipline. And hard work is just a part of this great disciplined life.

 

[UzmanBeast]

I 100% agree with you in every point. This is part of a multifold problem.
I have spoken in the exact same sentiments as you just did.

My blood was boiling when I saw how Naseem was totally shattered in confidence when the mic picked up his conversation where he feared for being yelled at if he didnt take the single, and then in that presser where he sounded like a third grade school kid who was terrorized by a viscous teacher.

I wish if I could literally put Waqar and Misbah in jail for the crime they have committed in suffocating all the great potential this kid had.

However, there is another side of the story too. And that is developing personal trait and following a highly disciplined life style EVEN after you become a megastar.

Take a look at how easily many of our players fall off the track outside the cricket field. They land into trouble in seconds if not continuously monitored.
Drugs, corruption, fixing, breaking rules, staying up late at night while there is a game next day, personal parties and late night clubbing at tours. There is a serious lack of professionalism while at work.

These are things that are part of person and they are developed in a social set up where they only see such things and they only do these things.

Becoming a great player, not only requires talent and good grooming of that talent but it must also be supported by a great discipline. And hard work is just a part of this great disciplined life.

Great discipline means that you can back your talent and know where you need to improve on.

Player discipline is crucial to player development.

Rightly said.

 

[Mamoon]

Pakistan is one of the least talented cricket nations in the world.

 

[Bigboii]

Overused word is talent when it comes to Pakistan cricket.

Our version of talent is a promising young kid who has played a couple of good knocks in domestic cricket or taken a couple of 5fers.

The strongest cricketing nations version of talent is a young yet already battle-hardened cricketer who has shown his mettle and skills in domestic cricket particularly in the 4-day format.

Every PCT fan/administrator/ cricketer/ selecter

Should put this quote on thier walls and whenever they're thinking about a talented players

They should look at this definition and match it with that individual player

 

[shah_1]

Seeing grandpa spinner debuting and another 36 year old uncapped grandpa still in the squad. It is a very alarming suitation for Pakistan cricket. The worst effected is the bowling, people would believe me if they have closely followed Pak domestic cricket. Even the batting talent doesn't aspire much confidence but bowling resources are all time low.

 

[Mamoon]

This will sting people, but the reality is that Pakistan is arguably the least talented cricket nation ever. We have very, very little to show for considering that we have the largest cricket population in the world after India.

Pakistan has never produced a single batsman who is worthy of being considered in the same class as Tendulkar, Viv Richards, Lara, Ponting, Kohli etc.

Pakistan has never produced a single ATG WK batsman in the same class as Gilchrist, Dhoni, Sangakkara etc. Heck, we have not even produced anyone of McCullum, de Kock, Pant, Buttler and Bairstow level.

Pakistan has not produced a single successful Test class all-rounder since Imran Khan. Razzaq was a mediocre Test cricketer and Mahmood was a one series wonder.

Pakistan has not produced a single spinner with 350+ Test wickets.

No ODI batsman from Pakistan has scored more than 20 hundreds.

Pakistan have produced only one successful all-format middle-batsman in the last 20 years. Between Yousuf and Babar’s debuts, no middle-order batsman had the game to succeed in all formats.

Pakistan has a mediocre legacy in all departments of the game except fast bowling, and the fast bowling legacy itself was largely established due to reverse-swing achieved with dubious means.

As soon as those dubious means became less accessible and practicable due to better quality cameras, the quality of our fast bowling tumbled.

The likes of Shaheen and Naseem would also be demolishing sides from 120/2 to 150 all out in the 80’s and 90’s with the type of balls the likes of Imran, Wasim and Waqar were bowling with.

Pakistan has no natural talent in cricket. We are just amazing at making excuses and benefiting from illegal practices. On top of that, we are the most ignorant and intellectually bankrupt cricket nation in the world.

Our players, ex-players, coaches, selector, media analysts and even fans etc. have zero understanding of cricket.

 

[Saj]

We talk about our bowlers at length, but what is very concerning is that so many of our batsmen that are being brought into international cricket have such basic flaws in their technique and look like walking wickets.

For a nation that has had so many high quality batsmen over the years, most of the current crop and indeed the ones coming through really do look pretty average.

 

[ManFan]

This will sting people, but the reality is that Pakistan is arguably the least talented cricket nation ever. We have very, very little to show for considering that we have the largest cricket population in the world after India.

Pakistan has never produced a single batsman who is worthy of being considered in the same class as Tendulkar, Viv Richards, Lara, Ponting, Kohli etc.

Pakistan has never produced a single ATG WK batsman in the same class as Gilchrist, Dhoni, Sangakkara etc. Heck, we have not even produced anyone of McCullum, de Kock, Pant, Buttler and Bairstow level.

Pakistan has not produced a single successful Test class all-rounder since Imran Khan. Razzaq was a mediocre Test cricketer and Mahmood was a one series wonder.

Pakistan has not produced a single spinner with 350+ Test wickets.

No ODI batsman from Pakistan has scored more than 20 hundreds.

Pakistan have produced only one successful all-format middle-batsman in the last 20 years. Between Yousuf and Babar’s debuts, no middle-order batsman had the game to succeed in all formats.

Pakistan has a mediocre legacy in all departments of the game except fast bowling, and the fast bowling legacy itself was largely established due to reverse-swing achieved with dubious means.

As soon as those dubious means became less accessible and practicable due to better quality cameras, the quality of our fast bowling tumbled.

The likes of Shaheen and Naseem would also be demolishing sides from 120/2 to 150 all out in the 80’s and 90’s with the type of balls the likes of Imran, Wasim and Waqar were bowling with.

Pakistan has no natural talent in cricket. We are just amazing at making excuses and benefiting from illegal practices. On top of that, we are the most ignorant and intellectually bankrupt cricket nation in the world.

Our players, ex-players, coaches, selector, media analysts and even fans etc. have zero understanding of cricket.

Magnificent summary.

Pakistan cricket is dead and so is the game of cricket.

There are only three nations that have the means and ability to produce enough high-quality cricket to attract viewers.

The other teams produce pure, garbage level cricket with the odd-intriguing performance.

 

[wasim-fan]

We talk about our bowlers at length, but what is very concerning is that so many of our batsmen that are being brought into international cricket have such basic flaws in their technique and look like walking wickets.

For a nation that has had so many high quality batsmen over the years, most of the current crop and indeed the ones coming through really do look pretty average.

I don’t get it. Based on the talent on display, I wonder what Asad Shafiq has done so wrong. He might have been out of form but he is class.

 

[wasim-fan]

This will sting people, but the reality is that Pakistan is arguably the least talented cricket nation ever. We have very, very little to show for considering that we have the largest cricket population in the world after India.

Pakistan has never produced a single batsman who is worthy of being considered in the same class as Tendulkar, Viv Richards, Lara, Ponting, Kohli etc.

Pakistan has never produced a single ATG WK batsman in the same class as Gilchrist, Dhoni, Sangakkara etc. Heck, we have not even produced anyone of McCullum, de Kock, Pant, Buttler and Bairstow level.

Pakistan has not produced a single successful Test class all-rounder since Imran Khan. Razzaq was a mediocre Test cricketer and Mahmood was a one series wonder.

Pakistan has not produced a single spinner with 350+ Test wickets.

No ODI batsman from Pakistan has scored more than 20 hundreds.

Pakistan have produced only one successful all-format middle-batsman in the last 20 years. Between Yousuf and Babar’s debuts, no middle-order batsman had the game to succeed in all formats.

Pakistan has a mediocre legacy in all departments of the game except fast bowling, and the fast bowling legacy itself was largely established due to reverse-swing achieved with dubious means.

As soon as those dubious means became less accessible and practicable due to better quality cameras, the quality of our fast bowling tumbled.

The likes of Shaheen and Naseem would also be demolishing sides from 120/2 to 150 all out in the 80’s and 90’s with the type of balls the likes of Imran, Wasim and Waqar were bowling with.

Pakistan has no natural talent in cricket. We are just amazing at making excuses and benefiting from illegal practices. On top of that, we are the most ignorant and intellectually bankrupt cricket nation in the world.

Our players, ex-players, coaches, selector, media analysts and even fans etc. have zero understanding of cricket.

Mamoon, i love your posts. But that was harsh and unfair.

 

[Savak]

We talk about our bowlers at length, but what is very concerning is that so many of our batsmen that are being brought into international cricket have such basic flaws in their technique and look like walking wickets.

For a nation that has had so many high quality batsmen over the years, most of the current crop and indeed the ones coming through really do look pretty average.

Lol, the bowlers are the ones who lost us the test series in Australia, England, New Zealand. Our batsmen in comparison punched above their weight in those conditions.

 

[Saj]

Lol, the bowlers are the ones who lost us the test series in Australia, England, New Zealand. Our batsmen in comparison punched above their weight in those conditions.

Punched above their weight?

Here's some numbers from the NZ Test series:

Fawad Alam average 32
Abid Ali average 19
Haris Sohail average 7
Shan Masood average 2.50

 

[hadi123]

This will sting people, but the reality is that Pakistan is arguably the least talented cricket nation ever. We have very, very little to show for considering that we have the largest cricket population in the world after India.

Pakistan has never produced a single batsman who is worthy of being considered in the same class as Tendulkar, Viv Richards, Lara, Ponting, Kohli etc.

Pakistan has never produced a single ATG WK batsman in the same class as Gilchrist, Dhoni, Sangakkara etc. Heck, we have not even produced anyone of McCullum, de Kock, Pant, Buttler and Bairstow level.

Pakistan has not produced a single successful Test class all-rounder since Imran Khan. Razzaq was a mediocre Test cricketer and Mahmood was a one series wonder.

Pakistan has not produced a single spinner with 350+ Test wickets.

No ODI batsman from Pakistan has scored more than 20 hundreds.

Pakistan have produced only one successful all-format middle-batsman in the last 20 years. Between Yousuf and Babar’s debuts, no middle-order batsman had the game to succeed in all formats.

Pakistan has a mediocre legacy in all departments of the game except fast bowling, and the fast bowling legacy itself was largely established due to reverse-swing achieved with dubious means.

As soon as those dubious means became less accessible and practicable due to better quality cameras, the quality of our fast bowling tumbled.

The likes of Shaheen and Naseem would also be demolishing sides from 120/2 to 150 all out in the 80’s and 90’s with the type of balls the likes of Imran, Wasim and Waqar were bowling with.

Pakistan has no natural talent in cricket. We are just amazing at making excuses and benefiting from illegal practices. On top of that, we are the most ignorant and intellectually bankrupt cricket nation in the world.

Our players, ex-players, coaches, selector, media analysts and even fans etc. have zero understanding of cricket.

We have produced a few world class batsmen such as Inzamam, Javed Mianadad, Younis Khan.

But I agree with you overall.

 

[chacha kashmiri]

We play young tear aways too soon and they get discarded too soon, same with young batsmen
The likes of naseem shah, ahmed jamal and Umaid asif have no chance of being groomed for selection in our set up
The only way batsmen are groomed is if they come up the youth system and the under 19s etc
It's no coincidence that are best two players have been coached by the pcb since they were about 13
You will see the likes of rohail, qasim, Harris and even arshad rolled out slowly over the next few years after they have been groomed fully

Our only saviours are the lahore qalandar and their scouting network

 

[Savak]

Punched above their weight?

Here's some numbers from the NZ Test series:

Fawad Alam average 32
Abid Ali average 19
Haris Sohail average 7
Shan Masood average 2.50

We scored 240, 270 plus, 297 and 186. The bowlers in comparison conceeded 450 and then 659/6 on a seaming wicket. Considering Pakistan's weaking batting line up's in the past which have folded for 70-100 runs on these wickets, the batting definately punched above their weight against the likes of Bolt, Southee, Jamison in their conditions. The bowlers lost the series for us

 

[Ami]

This will sting people, but the reality is that Pakistan is arguably the least talented cricket nation ever. We have very, very little to show for considering that we have the largest cricket population in the world after India.

Pakistan has never produced a single batsman who is worthy of being considered in the same class as Tendulkar, Viv Richards, Lara, Ponting, Kohli etc.

Pakistan has never produced a single ATG WK batsman in the same class as Gilchrist, Dhoni, Sangakkara etc. Heck, we have not even produced anyone of McCullum, de Kock, Pant, Buttler and Bairstow level.

Pakistan has not produced a single successful Test class all-rounder since Imran Khan. Razzaq was a mediocre Test cricketer and Mahmood was a one series wonder.

Pakistan has not produced a single spinner with 350+ Test wickets.

No ODI batsman from Pakistan has scored more than 20 hundreds.

Pakistan have produced only one successful all-format middle-batsman in the last 20 years. Between Yousuf and Babar’s debuts, no middle-order batsman had the game to succeed in all formats.

Pakistan has a mediocre legacy in all departments of the game except fast bowling, and the fast bowling legacy itself was largely established due to reverse-swing achieved with dubious means.

As soon as those dubious means became less accessible and practicable due to better quality cameras, the quality of our fast bowling tumbled.

The likes of Shaheen and Naseem would also be demolishing sides from 120/2 to 150 all out in the 80’s and 90’s with the type of balls the likes of Imran, Wasim and Waqar were bowling with.

Pakistan has no natural talent in cricket. We are just amazing at making excuses and benefiting from illegal practices. On top of that, we are the most ignorant and intellectually bankrupt cricket nation in the world.

Our players, ex-players, coaches, selector, media analysts and even fans etc. have zero understanding of cricket.

Exaggeration.

 

[Saj]

We scored 240, 270 plus, 297 and 186.

Mediocre scores that will rarely win you Test matches.

The bowlers were terrible, the batsmen nearly as bad.

 

[Mamoon]

We have produced a few world class batsmen such as Inzamam, Javed Mianadad, Younis Khan.

But I agree with you overall.

They were excellent batsmen but they do not belong in the elite category either and are a level below the batsmen I mentioned.

No Pakistani batsman would be anywhere near even the C team of an all-time world XI.

Our failure to produce a single batsman of that class in spite of all the passion for the game and the human capital at our disposal clearly shows the lack of talent in the country.

 

[RajBan]

They were excellent batsmen but they do not belong in the elite category either and are a level below the batsmen I mentioned.

No Pakistani batsman would be anywhere near even the C team of an all-time world XI.

Our failure to produce a single batsman of that class in spite of all the passion for the game and the human capital at our disposal clearly shows the lack of talent in the country.

I haven't seen Zaheer Abbas bat but heard he was world class in terms of attitude (think about somebody like Richards or Sehwag).

Anwar and Inzamam both were world class. Anwar was a superb timer during his era and Inzamam has that lazy elegance. I think Inzi was impacted by bit of fitness issues, so probably underachieved when compared to few of his contemporaries. Both Youhana and Younis Khan were good players as well. They may not be at the same class as Inzi but Younis in particular has been a very fighting cricketer.

Also if I may add it's not just about the talent, but also smartness of a sports person that matters. During 80s-90s Pakistan used to have lot of smart cricketers talented or not that was a major factor behind their success.

 

[Varun]

"You shake a tree in Pakistan and 2-3 talented fast bowlers will fall down."

 

[Saj]

"You shake a tree in Pakistan and 2-3 talented fast bowlers will fall down."

And then you wake up from your dream.

 

[Dantheone]

This will sting people, but the reality is that Pakistan is arguably the least talented cricket nation ever. We have very, very little to show for considering that we have the largest cricket population in the world after India.

Pakistan has never produced a single batsman who is worthy of being considered in the same class as Tendulkar, Viv Richards, Lara, Ponting, Kohli etc.

Pakistan has never produced a single ATG WK batsman in the same class as Gilchrist, Dhoni, Sangakkara etc. Heck, we have not even produced anyone of McCullum, de Kock, Pant, Buttler and Bairstow level.

Pakistan has not produced a single successful Test class all-rounder since Imran Khan. Razzaq was a mediocre Test cricketer and Mahmood was a one series wonder.

Pakistan has not produced a single spinner with 350+ Test wickets.

No ODI batsman from Pakistan has scored more than 20 hundreds.

Pakistan have produced only one successful all-format middle-batsman in the last 20 years. Between Yousuf and Babar’s debuts, no middle-order batsman had the game to succeed in all formats.

Pakistan has a mediocre legacy in all departments of the game except fast bowling, and the fast bowling legacy itself was largely established due to reverse-swing achieved with dubious means.

As soon as those dubious means became less accessible and practicable due to better quality cameras, the quality of our fast bowling tumbled.

The likes of Shaheen and Naseem would also be demolishing sides from 120/2 to 150 all out in the 80’s and 90’s with the type of balls the likes of Imran, Wasim and Waqar were bowling with.

Pakistan has no natural talent in cricket. We are just amazing at making excuses and benefiting from illegal practices. On top of that, we are the most ignorant and intellectually bankrupt cricket nation in the world.

Our players, ex-players, coaches, selector, media analysts and even fans etc. have zero understanding of cricket.

Perfectly summed up though I can sense some despair in the post.
Pakistan cricket is at minnow level right now. Something that Sri Lanka and Bangladesh used to be some years ago.
What i can add to above post is player's lack of mental strength. Pakistan team is almost always looking to survive. Never consistent and sadly that was repackaged as "exciting".
Survial cricket at it's best (sadly).

 

[aqeelPK]

We have abundance of old fashioned talent. Talent that is suitable for 80s & 90s style of cricket. Youngsters can't be blamed for it. They lack exposure to modern cricket. Even cricket broadcasts on TV are very very limited & unwatchable thanks to the cable mafia in the country.

 

[Hawkeye]

Everyone's failing.

The oldies like Fawad, Azhar only ones scoring.

 

[observer1]

They were excellent batsmen but they do not belong in the elite category either and are a level below the batsmen I mentioned.

No Pakistani batsman would be anywhere near even the C team of an all-time world XI.

Our failure to produce a single batsman of that class in spite of all the passion for the game and the human capital at our disposal clearly shows the lack of talent in the country.

Once again, you make a sweeping statement but as usual, nothing of substance or anything empirical to support it.

Do tell us then, who would you have in your mythical "World XI" A and B Teams?

Javed Miandad is only one of three batsman in history to never have his batting average go below 50.

Mohammad Yousuf has the most runs in a Calendar year.

Hanif Mohammad and Zaheer Abbas have long ben credited for revolutionizing the way the game was played.

To claim it a "failure to produce a single batsman of that class" is just another one of your miserable hyperboles.

There is talent. Anyone who has seen Pakistani's or Pakistani diaspora would see straight away the passion and talent they have.

The problem is, every country has to nurture that talent to a competitive XI. Pakistan has often lagged behind its counterparts largely due to incompetence. Something all members here would agree with. Whether its clout with the ICC, state of the art facilities or grooming of domestic talent.

The only thing of note done in recent years is the massive professional overhaul that Wasim Khan has done with the PCB. (Ofcourse Mamoon has had his temper tantrums over him, so i'm convinced Wasim must be doing something right).

 

[shamaan]

They were excellent batsmen but they do not belong in the elite category either and are a level below the batsmen I mentioned.

No Pakistani batsman would be anywhere near even the C team of an all-time world XI.

Our failure to produce a single batsman of that class in spite of all the passion for the game and the human capital at our disposal clearly shows the lack of talent in the country.

Can you produce your so called A,B and C team of an all time world XI ?

 

[Mamoon]

Once again, you make a sweeping statement but as usual, nothing of substance or anything empirical to support it.

Do tell us then, who would you have in your mythical "World XI" A and B Teams?

Javed Miandad is only one of three batsman in history to never have his batting average go below 50.

Mohammad Yousuf has the most runs in a Calendar year.

Hanif Mohammad and Zaheer Abbas have long ben credited for revolutionizing the way the game was played.

To claim it a "failure to produce a single batsman of that class" is just another one of your miserable hyperboles.

There is talent. Anyone who has seen Pakistani's or Pakistani diaspora would see straight away the passion and talent they have.

The problem is, every country has to nurture that talent to a competitive XI. Pakistan has often lagged behind its counterparts largely due to incompetence. Something all members here would agree with. Whether its clout with the ICC, state of the art facilities or grooming of domestic talent.

The only thing of note done in recent years is the massive professional overhaul that Wasim Khan has done with the PCB. (Ofcourse Mamoon has had his temper tantrums over him, so i'm convinced Wasim must be doing something right).

Miandad’s average, like most batsmen of his era, was boosted because of biased home umpiring. He was not LBW’d in Pakistan for years.

However, he is undoubtedly Pakistan’s greatest batsman so far, but other countries have produced several better batsmen then him. There are more than a dozen better batsmen then him in the last 30-40 years alone.

Yousuf had a legendary 2006 and a really good 2002, but other than that, he was just a very good batsman. Certainly not in the league of the batsmen that I mentioned.

Same goes for Hanif and Zaheer. Very good batsmen, but not elites among elites.

 

[Mamoon]

Can you produce your so called A,B and C team of an all time world XI ?

If you look at the last 30-40 years alone, hardly 1-2 Pakistani cricketers would make an all-time XI and certainly no batsman would come close.

 

[shamaan]

If you look at the last 30-40 years alone, hardly 1-2 Pakistani cricketers would make an all-time XI and certainly no batsman would come close.

So they would not get into a A team world xi but a few may get into a B team world xi

 

[Rana]

As long as you have a proper system to nurture Colts/juniors who want to play cricket at a young age starting from 7 years old, your talent will NEVER expire.

Too many kids playing on the streets, they need to be enrolled in cricket clubs with a proper weekly training schedule. Continue to ensure that they remain a part of that club system throughout their youth into adult cricket.

The streets is a huge, huge market that needs to be tapped into and transformed into the club cricket scene.

Of course there is plenty of talent, but I’m not sure about the structure. Also, if there is anyway that we can help improve the core structure from the base at u7, u9, u11 level, I would love to know how.

 

[hitthestump]

There are only three nations that have the means and ability to produce enough high-quality cricket to attract viewers.

The other teams produce pure, garbage level cricket with the odd-intriguing performance.

You can probably remove England from that too eventually. England are running way above the norm with their current talent stocks. They were hopeless before and they'll become hopeless again. People there really don't care about cricket that much compared to other sports.

 

[Rana]

Plenty of talkers/philosophers/fortune tellers giving their usual chat...

You need the ‘doers’ to step up and fix the issues at juniors level, and widen the scope at juniors cricket level.

 

[CrIc_Mystique]

This will sting people, but the reality is that Pakistan is arguably the least talented cricket nation ever. We have very, very little to show for considering that we have the largest cricket population in the world after India.

Pakistan has never produced a single batsman who is worthy of being considered in the same class as Tendulkar, Viv Richards, Lara, Ponting, Kohli etc.

Pakistan has never produced a single ATG WK batsman in the same class as Gilchrist, Dhoni, Sangakkara etc. Heck, we have not even produced anyone of McCullum, de Kock, Pant, Buttler and Bairstow level.

Pakistan has not produced a single successful Test class all-rounder since Imran Khan. Razzaq was a mediocre Test cricketer and Mahmood was a one series wonder.

Pakistan has not produced a single spinner with 350+ Test wickets.

No ODI batsman from Pakistan has scored more than 20 hundreds.

Pakistan have produced only one successful all-format middle-batsman in the last 20 years. Between Yousuf and Babar’s debuts, no middle-order batsman had the game to succeed in all formats.

Pakistan has a mediocre legacy in all departments of the game except fast bowling, and the fast bowling legacy itself was largely established due to reverse-swing achieved with dubious means.

As soon as those dubious means became less accessible and practicable due to better quality cameras, the quality of our fast bowling tumbled.

The likes of Shaheen and Naseem would also be demolishing sides from 120/2 to 150 all out in the 80’s and 90’s with the type of balls the likes of Imran, Wasim and Waqar were bowling with.

Pakistan has no natural talent in cricket. We are just amazing at making excuses and benefiting from illegal practices. On top of that, we are the most ignorant and intellectually bankrupt cricket nation in the world.

Our players, ex-players, coaches, selector, media analysts and even fans etc. have zero understanding of cricket.

The highlighted part - bit brutal Mamoon Bro....U still needed skill/talent/strength that comes from training etc to hurl it at 150 kmph which a lot of 'those guys' ur pointing about did, they had fighting attitude, jazba , pagal junoon in spades & also the spirit & imagination to fight and have the opposition collapse from 150/2 to 180 a o....
if it was just dubious means there were other bowlers of all nations going around who could never achieve the level of magic that the two W's , shoiab etc achieved, I mean guys like mullaly or Prasad or wickramsinge or agarkar or caddick or nash etc who played in the same era could not get bag fuls if they bowled with the same ball or did whatever dubious tricks ....That said - good analysis of the 'talent' situation.
My 5 c take on this....an attitude tobe honest to yourself, willingness to sacrifice for the greater good, no compromise hard work will always trump pure talent.
take a guy like akshar patel, am sure he will have bad days when he does not get favourable pitches, I'd still back him to be successful, he will run thru walls for you...oreven jadeja - who was raw and average, sheer hard work and determination made him what he is...and for that as an indian I'd say what we've got right is in our U19 and our A tour's format and schedules, we've invested in these and its paying off....long may it continue

 

[Indiafan]

Talent is there in every country. And certainly in a cricket mad nation like Pakistan with such a high population. There is no way youngsters who grow up idolizing this sport wont practice and develop these skills

IMO, what Pakistani cricket lacks is a professional board and direction. The system is very weak. Once you reach the team or shine in a couple of matches, hit a few sixes, take few wickets, you are untouchable. Players and management have too much power (and not just the captain).

1) First, you have to acknowledge how the world and other boards have changed over time. How they have put stronger and stronger structure and management in place. The support system which they have in place for youngsters, how many people are involved in the process. Look at the support someone like Green or Pant gets and compare it with someone like Naseem

2) Acknowledge why teens are not being thrown to the wolves anymore, by other teams. How many years did Shaw or Pant play in domestics? Why do other countries not put teenage fast bowlers into the team? The only exception was Cummins and then he broke down and missed 5 years.

Reality has changed. Its war out there with most of the games being a lot mental and strategical. When India won in Australia there was a deliberate strategy to put bowling all rounders who could bat. Their roles were chosen to perfection, instead of following the standard formula, Pant, Sundar and Thakur were all chosen for their batting.

Thats the level of strategy which goes into matches. A youngster simply cannot cope unless he has prior exposure or exact guidance on what his role is

He is talented, therefore he will click doesn't work

3) Have a structure and stick to it. Identify pipelines through PSL, choose your core and then focus on them. Let those outside your core toil a bit more to prove themselves. Don't think of it as a playing XI or playing 22 but a pool of much larger, 50-60 core players

4) For God's sake run your organization with discipline and professionalism. When every 6 months you break a rule for some player, that just means there is no rule except chaos. You cannot talk about need for fitness and then immediately break that rule for the next talented player. You cannot talk about making game free of corruption and let not only corrupt players walk back every time, but welcome them as heroes and saviors

Not a single player will respect a board that does that. The new head of PCB was supposed to bring professionalism, all he has brought is some more leaders who are willing to break all rules. No young player who sees this will ever think fixing is bad if he saw Sharjeel make millions (which is more than what he would have made from legal means in the same 5 years) and then walk back to the team

Also, I love how the logic works, you can make exceptions to select players but cannot make exceptions not to select? In a private board?

This lack of professionalism then spills over everywhere. This is why the franchises won't listen to the board. And PCB makes exception for franchises and players like Sammy. Why would any player ever respect such a weak board which keeps making exceptions and cannot enforce a single rule despite chest thumping about them?

They TALK about fitness but then make exception
They TALK about corruption and then make exceptions
They TALK about bubble and then make exceptions

Today every single player as well as other countries know - its all just TALK

Unless the board walks the talk, they will continue to be a laughing stock, all the players will only be at God's mercy with no support and Pakistani cricket will continue to be in chaos, not utilizing the talent in the best way they can

 

[shariqnoor]

In Pakistan, anybody who can pick up a bat or roll their arm over is talented. I've yet to hear anyone say that a particular cricketer isn't talented.

I'm pretty sure if you dug up old news, you'd find some article saying 'talented' Junaid Zia debuting for Pakistan.

 

[Saj]

We can't take that raw talent to the next level and that's the biggest problem.

 

[Buffet]

Talent will be always there when you have a large population and cricket being the prime sport.

The question becomes how do you identify and shape up the next generation.


Claiming that talent is there but then end up still selecting fixers and unfit players means something is going wrong in grooming many talents. Otherwise, you won't have to rely on fixers and unfit players. I am certain that talent exists in Pakistan, but PCB has not done a good job of harnessing it.

 

[Saj]

I'd also suggest that there is a lack of talent in coaching too.

Most of our former players like to sit on tv and talk. but many aren't interested in getting their hands dirty and coaching at the grass roots level, where it's needed most.

 

[Mamoon]

It is ironic that the country with the least amount of “talent” is the one that has always talked about “talent” the most.

 

[UzmanBeast]

What defines talent?

Do we expect some youngster to immediately start taking 5fers and 10fers? Will some 17-year old batsman start scoring hundreds like Tendulkar?

I think our fans are being unrealistic with using the term talent. Just because some kid hit a 50 doesn't mean he's the next Javed Miandad. Just because some 16-year-old bowls 90+ doesn't mean that he's the next Wasim Akram.

Nowadays, cricket is an entirely different sport. You can't expect a youngster to just acclimatize immediately. It's not how the game works.

Player development is essential. If Australia, England, New Zealand, or India got someone like Naseem, they'd invest all their resources to make him into a great bowler. We used him a few times and then threw him away.

The three players on the Pakistan Team who look to be improving are Babar Azam, Mohammad Rizwan, and Shaheen Shah Afridi. Everyone else is just mediocre or regressing. Shaheen is the only fast bowler who I see people and the management really pay attention to. He has improved considerably in the last few years.

However, the player development at the grassroot level is missing, which is costing us a lot.

You don't wait for the next Wasim Akram, it won't happen. You need to wake up from this reality and start making the best out of the bowlers you have. Shaheen is there, invest everything into making him into a world beater. Rizwan is there, do the same for him. Babar is there, do it for him. Haider, Imam, and more are also there. Invest in them, get them the necessary experience, send them to training camps overseas, have them play in challenging conditions, and genuinely use the resources at disposal to make them better.

That's what's missing. Talent is intangible, there is no way to measure talent.

 

[Saj]

Also there is a danger that given what's happened in the past with players being fast-tracked and becoming greats, PCB and some fans expect this to continue. The fact is, it won't.

The likes of Waqar, Wasim, Inzi and others were found and took to international cricket like a duck to water. That won't always happen as we have found the hard way.

'Talent' doesn't grow on trees as we have seen with how Musa and Naseem have struggled in international cricket.

 

[Markhor]

What can be said about this topic that hasn't been said already in the past 20 years ? For so long we've not had a proper pathway into the national team, with a bloated domestic structure featuring a hotchpotch of departments and regions where players got lost in the system. Whether you performed or not was irrelevant - nobody would ever lose their spot as a player or coach so a culture of mediocrity became embedded.

The tier below First Class cricket suffered from chronic underinvestment - club and school cricket that churned out many FC cricketers became irrelevant. This is the level where coaching and mentoring is pivotal, where youngsters ought to be identified and brought into Academies - but PCB never invested in this expecting the production line of international cricketers to never end, much like the West Indies and Sri Lanka during their Golden Era, who are now paying the price.

A big reason why Pakistan were competitive once it received Test status post-Partition was because so many players came through the school and college system. Rivalries like Government College vs Islamia College exposed youngsters to pressure situations and big games. Those two colleges alone produced so many Test cricketers.

If somehow a youngster made it into international cricket - there too they faced obstacles from lack of support from captains (which would constantly change), coaches coming and going, and whimsical selection policies. Above all, as cricket has professionalised immensely since the 1990s with use of technology and data becoming necessities not choices in improving players and giving them real-time strategies - Pakistan has remained in the past. Greats like Javed Miandad infact detest "laptop coaching" and commentators talk of "individual matchwinners" as opposed to systemic processes for success.

How many names have come and gone, wasted by this amateurish system ? Enough to fill a book probably. Only now is the system being reformed but people are still complaining.

 

[MenInG]

Aaron Finch:

"The talent of Pakistan cricket is extraordinary, so I think world cricket is better when Pakistan are playing well and world cricket is better also when Pakistanis are playing in our domestic league"

"If Babar Azam is available to play the Big Bash then any team would love to have him; Any of the Pakistan guys, we love having them as part of our domestic competition; Any opportunity to have them fit into our domestic competition is fantastic and they will always be welcome in the Big Bash"

 

[BunnyRabbit]

Aaron Finch:

"The talent of Pakistan cricket is extraordinary, so I think world cricket is better when Pakistan are playing well and world cricket is better also when Pakistanis are playing in our domestic league"

"If Babar Azam is available to play the Big Bash then any team would love to have him; Any of the Pakistan guys, we love having them as part of our domestic competition; Any opportunity to have them fit into our domestic competition is fantastic and they will always be welcome in the Big Bash"

Well the thing about talent bohat hai ya nahin hai depends a lot on the selectors. Had they picked someone out of the blue who had won a test for Pak, everyone had been going insane. But it didn't happen. Sajid and Nauman looked toothless and hapless out there. Our batting length looked like Sajid Khan's hairline. Non existing.

 

[squanchy]

Can we get rid of the J dot drama and have an actual talent hunt?

Instead of having to watch old aunties and uncles painfully chuck deliveries from 5 yards out, why not arrange a nationwide talent hunt where the fastest amateur cricketers have a go from a full 22 yards on the sidelines, and their pace is recorded, and the fastest individuals can get picked up by 2nd XIs, regional teams, etc?

 

[MenInG]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-partner="tweetdeck"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Darren Gough about the Lahore Qalandars trials "people have come from all parts of Pakistan to show their talent. I met someone who had come all the way from Karachi and I met a little boy who had come from the North of the country and had travelled 8-9 hours" <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Cricket?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Cricket</a> <a href="https://t.co/WGkiYQXn6m">pic.twitter.com/WGkiYQXn6m</a></p>— Saj Sadiq (@SajSadiqCricket) <a href="https://twitter.com/SajSadiqCricket/status/1526976501299789824?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">May 18, 2022</a></blockquote>
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[PakFan2010]

Truly embarassing, cannot find decent top order batsmen or decent spin bowlers.

PCB not investing in academies and cricket schools is coming home to roost.

 

[gazza619]

Well even if there was good talent, do you think the corrupt mafia will let it flow through the system? Don’t think so.

 

[hassan918]

Without the talent, it would not be possible to be at the number one position. The talent is always there and you will see a really good cricketer is every part of the country but it must be identified early so he can be groomed at a young age. I think it's not difficult to find talented cricketers in Pakistan but it is important to manage and groom this talent better.

 

[daytrader]

A disastrous tournament for the Shaheens in the Asian games. Only winning 1 game against Hong Kong. And to think we even had international players playing

 

[Stewie]

Truly embarassing, cannot find decent top order batsmen or decent spin bowlers.

PCB not investing in academies and cricket schools is coming home to roost.

I disagree. We have shafique who is a decent top order batsman. We also have spinners who are taking wickets such as Abrar. ODIs are a curious case now because we don’t play too much of these. You need to play a lot of 50 over cricket to be consistent and top quality.
But our selections and prep is where we have a problem. We have the talent and we have decent players coming up, we are just not investing in them properly. The focus lately has been in PSL and T20 cricket and I doubt the List A tournaments are looked at seriously by fringe players.

 

[MenInG]

A disastrous tournament for the Shaheens in the Asian games. Only winning 1 game against Hong Kong. And to think we even had international players playing

Haider Ali, Khushdil etc

 

[mominsaigol]

Talent isn't natural though, no one is born with genes to succeed. You build talent by giving players a proper run + developing a growth mindset to improve player skills.

It's why talent management is so important. Something that Pakistan lacks.

I remember Indians use to critise rohit sharma and give him a parchi tag and all fo the sudden he's now an ATG once he got promoted.

No one is naturally talented lol, talent is built, it's plain and simple. We can't build talent because we either ruin players via media hype hence players like shehzad got the selfie tag, or we just apply unfair selection criteria's to players or we don't correctly identify their batting positions or how to utilise them as bowlers

 

[BouncerGuy]

Haider, Khusdil, and Asif were all there and they needed to show their A-game. But all of these players failed miserably.

 

[hassan918]

It is not the myth. Abdullah and Saud have proved in the last couple of matches that there is surely a lot of talent in Pakistan.

 

[Technics 1210]

There is plenty of talent in Pakistan, just need to find the jazba and unity!

 

[saqib.rai]

There is plenty of talent in Pakistan, just need to find the jazba and unity!

There isn't any supernatural talent in Pakistan. Step out of the country and you would see that the rest of the world is much more hardworking and punctual

This myth was started by Imran Khan as he wanted to rise as the third power and so wanted to shape the opinion that Pakistan is full of talent, it's just the corrupt that prevent that talent from coming through

And the bholi awaam started to believe this narrative

 

[Technics 1210]

There isn't any supernatural talent in Pakistan. Step out of the country and you would see that the rest of the world is much more hardworking and punctual

This myth was started by Imran Khan as he wanted to rise as the third power and so wanted to shape the opinion that Pakistan is full of talent, it's just the corrupt that prevent that talent from coming through

And the bholi awaam started to believe this narrative

Who is asking for supernatural talent?

It is you who believes in myths if you're expecting supernatural talent.

Tell when Pakistan last had a talented line up the team?

I know Indian fans like yourself believe Tendulkar is a God, but please do tell me of supernatural players, outside of Pakistan, in the history of the game.