The myth of 'Pakistan mai talent bohat hai'

[muqarrab]

Also, why do people in this forum tout players like sohail tanvcir, bilawal bhatti, anwar ali, hasan ali, m nawaz like ARs?

 

[Slog]

For me PSL has really exposed this big time

The only talents of note have been some spinning all rounders or spinners and even those are of good quality but perhaps won't be world class as Nawaz showed since his international bow after last PSL

However a lot of people are arguing that the best young Pakistani talent didn't get the chance to play that's why it didn't come to the fore. Sorry I don't buy this. Franchises exist to win and they will fill their local player spaces up with the best players they see

 

[Syed1]

For me PSL has really exposed this big time

The only talents of note have been some spinning all rounders or spinners and even those are of good quality but perhaps won't be world class as Nawaz showed since his international bow after last PSL

However a lot of people are arguing that the best young Pakistani talent didn't get the chance to play that's why it didn't come to the fore. Sorry I don't buy this. Franchises exist to win and they will fill their local player spaces up with the best players they see

You honestly believe guys like Riffat, Asif Ali, Ifti, Saad Nasim, Maqsood etc are the best we got in terms of local talent?

 

[Slog]

You honestly believe guys like Riffat, Asif Ali, Ifti, Saad Nasim, Maqsood etc are the best we got in terms of local talent?

The coaches and the team management of these teams are at the forefront and I would think not EVERYONE of them are Duds to pick these players...

Also these guys do dominate domestic t20s and one dayers as well

It's not like they are totally paidal there

 

[Zohaib Shah]

We have a lot of talent in our country for sure. Mainly raw talent that needs grooming. You cant expect to nurture it when you got tried and tested failures hogging the spotlight.

 

[Zohaib Shah]

The coaches and the team management of these teams are at the forefront and I would think not EVERYONE of them are Duds to pick these players...

Also these guys do dominate domestic t20s and one dayers as well

It's not like they are totally paidal there

No I felt the franchises made these teams for money and not really focus on finding good talent to actually improve. Thats why we had so many ttf players in each squad. They were picked cause they added advertising value to the squads instead of actual cricketing benefits. Thats why you had players like Anwar Ali and Shafiq playing for Gladiaters over someone new.

If you think every deserving player got into this tournament of five teams than you are highly mistaken. Pakistan the country will never be this black and white. There is a lot of nepotism and corruption in the country. A lot of safrashi players get picked too. Lets be more realistic instead of considering Pakistan as some England.

 

[Hasan123]

There is talent in Pakistan no doubt. The problem is how the players are coached and dveloped.

 

[Prince of Pakistan]

They do not get to develop their game at a young age. In our domestic there isn't much challenge nor variation for example in pitches.

 

[Adil_94]

its just a nice little epithet we tell ourselves to make us feel better that Pakistan cricket will rise from the ashes and will find a Wasim Waqar an Inzi on a street playing Gully Cricket and they will be our new saviour. The chances of finding the next ATG or Pakistani Great on the streets are very minimal. The best way to nurture and coax top talent is at youth level using school cricket then the first class setup and U-19s Cricket as well.

 

[Sadevdesai]

This talent business is just a " Feel Good " nonsense. Australia is a lot smaller country, population wise, yet they have been near the Top for a loooooong time. Look at the Indians, they have lot more people, lot more resources and they have been near the Top for a looooong time !!!!! So who are we kidding ..... just ourselves, I am sure. The numbers and the Rankings don't lie. Not easy to admit that we are nowhere near the Top .... unfortunately !!!!!

 

[Citizen4]

We have a lot of talent in our country for sure. Mainly raw talent that needs grooming. You cant expect to nurture it when you got tried and tested failures hogging the spotlight.

couldn't have said it better myself

 

[Slog]

Imran Khan, Amir Sohail, Shoaib Muhammad (and Im sure many others) with the age-old mantra of 'talent bohat hai' after this defeat.

Is it me or are some of the recently retired cricketers such as Akhtar, Ajmal, Afridi etc more in tune with where we stand in international cricket and the talent pool on offer?

 

[Pakistanian]

Lol they say this about everything, music, movies, science, academia, and sports. I'm really sick of hearing this cliche.

 

[squarecut]

Raw talent may be available in plenty, but it is polishing and honing of talent that is needed. Raw talent may win you matches at lower level but it takes polished talent to win you matches at world level.

 

[arehaan]

couldn't have said it better myself

Very well said talent is there but as long as we keep recycling garbage like shehzad akmals wahab hafeez we will not get any where. The thing is we need to tear apart this team and build from scratch we will loose some matches but atleast it will be worth the experience for a young core.

Sharjeel for me is the big miss he was the best modern day player we had groomed in last 1-2 years and it was incompetence from PCB who failed to protect him from corruption when they knew he was on the wrong path.

 

[JibranAnsari]

The passion of cricket has gone down a lot in the last decade as far as playing cricket is concerned. The barren grounds on sundays which used to be full even on weekdays are a testament to it. Pakistans cricket is dying

 

[geraltofrivia]

If talent hota Hafeez, Malik, KAkmal wouldn't have careers.

 

[Titan24]

If talent hota Hafeez, Malik, KAkmal wouldn't have careers.

The players you have quoted are all rounders. Record wise, especially Malik and Hafeez I wont say they were bad all rounders but the irony is they have stopped being all rounders and are still playing as batsmen now a days.

 

[gani999]

I am sure Pakistan does have talent, plenty of it. It is highly improbable that a country of Pakistan's size has suddenly run out of talent.

Talent needs inspiration to grow and prosper. Pakistan's biggest problem, IMHO, is the complete absence of international cricket at its stadiums. There is no way a youngster with talent can get inspired to dedicate his life to cricket if he does not get to watch international giants competing with local stars on home ground. Of course, they all watch TV but it is not quite the same thing.

Pakistan's government must make the return of international cricket a top priority. To do this , they must deal with the security situation with an iron hand. Easier said than done in Pakistan.

Then of course, there is the issue of finding the talent and nurturing it to produce results. This requires a functional system and Pakistan has this. So it should be possible, notwithstanding all the corruption allegations. India isn't any less corrupt compared to Pakistan, and they have managed it.

 

[Savak]

I am sure Pakistan does have talent, plenty of it. It is highly improbable that a country of Pakistan's size has suddenly run out of talent.

Talent needs inspiration to grow and prosper. Pakistan's biggest problem, IMHO, is the complete absence of international cricket at its stadiums. There is no way a youngster with talent can get inspired to dedicate his life to cricket if he does not get to watch international giants competing with local stars on home ground. Of course, they all watch TV but it is not quite the same thing.

Pakistan's government must make the return of international cricket a top priority. To do this , they must deal with the security situation with an iron hand. Easier said than done in Pakistan.

Then of course, there is the issue of finding the talent and nurturing it to produce results. This requires a functional system and Pakistan has this. So it should be possible, notwithstanding all the corruption allegations. India isn't any less corrupt compared to Pakistan, and they have managed it.

Talent alone isn't enough. Talent without work ethic and continuous improvement is useless.

 

[Asif321]

sach mein bohaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaat hai

 

[Rayyman]

McCullum said that there is a lot of talent

 

[babajee]

Lol

Pakistan mai talent nahi hai

 

[Professor]

Its seems like [MENTION=138463]Slog[/MENTION], and most on this forum were extremely wrong. I guess can't blame them because they mistook incompetent selection for lack of talent.

 

[Chief Destroyer]

Its seems like [MENTION=138463]Slog[/MENTION], and most on this forum were extremely wrong. I guess can't blame them because they mistook incompetent selection for lack of talent.

You can blame their incompetency to realize the obvious.

 

[Mamoon]

Its seems like [MENTION=138463]Slog[/MENTION], and most on this forum were extremely wrong. I guess can't blame them because they mistook incompetent selection for lack of talent.

As I said earlier, Pakistan has a cricketing heritage of 60+ years and people are passionate about it. Obviously, there is cricketing talent in Pakistan. Any country that has a dominant sport will have talent for that sport.

However, the notion that Pakistan has the 'most' talent in the world is nonsense. Nature has not blessed Pakistani people with certain capabilities that their Indian, Australian, English, South African, Caribbean counterparts do not possess. Ultimately, the success of any cricket nation is going to be dependent on the system that is going to churn out those players.

For example, right now there is almost no local cricketing talent in Germany. However, if they give up football and invest in cricket as their main sport, 30-40 years down the line, they will produce quality cricketers.

Our domestic cricket has not been up to the mark which is why we have often failed to maximize our potential, but that does not mean that we will become an unstoppable force if we fix our domestic cricket.

Unfortunately, that has been our coping mechanism of dealing with the numerous disappointments that we have faced over the years. We like to believe that Pakistan is the most talented country in the world because we are zealously patriotic, delusional and optimistic.

So to the cut the long story short: does Pakistan have talent? Yes, but it is not a miracle. Any country that is focused on only one sport is obviously going to produce have talent for it.

Does Pakistan have the most talent in the world? No, that is rubbish and comical.

 

[babajee]

As I said earlier, Pakistan has a cricketing heritage of 60+ years and people are passionate about it. Obviously, there is cricketing talent in Pakistan. Any country that has a dominant sport will have talent for that sport.

However, the notion that Pakistan has the 'most' talent in the world is nonsense. Nature has not blessed Pakistani people with certain capabilities that their Indian, Australian, English, South African, Caribbean counterparts do not possess. Ultimately, the success of any cricket nation is going to be dependent on the system that is going to churn out those players.

For example, right now there is almost no local cricketing talent in Germany. However, if they give up football and invest in cricket as their main sport, 30-40 years down the line, they will produce quality cricketers.

Our domestic cricket has not been up to the mark which is why we have often failed to maximize our potential, but that does not mean that we will become an unstoppable force if we fix our domestic cricket.

Unfortunately, that has been our coping mechanism of dealing with the numerous disappointments that we have faced over the years. We like to believe that Pakistan is the most talented country in the world because we are zealously patriotic, delusional and optimistic.

So to the cut the long story short: does Pakistan have talent? Yes, but it is not a miracle. Any country that is focused on only one sport is obviously going to produce have talent for it.

Does Pakistan have the most talent in the world? No, that is rubbish and comical.

Of course, India has the most talent.

 

[Mamoon]

Of course, India has the most talent.

All major cricket nations have pretty much the same talent, and that is why there has not been one particular team that has dominated throughout the course of history. For example, the Caribbean islands have not lost cricket talent, but they have simply diversified the sports that they play and they have not kept up with the growing demands of the game.

Australia have largely been the most successful cricket team overall because they have the strongest domestic cricket along with England, who have been successful in spite of a small talent pool because of football. Similarly, South Africa have also been successful with a small talent pool in spite of the popularity of rugby. Same goes for New Zealand.

Teams go through phases where they produces a bunch of talented cricketers at the same time which leads to a dominant phase, but that is not sustainable. India have improved a lot over the last two decades because they improved their system. That does not mean that they did not produce talent earlier, but they were not capable of maximizing it.

However, in Pakistan we have been fed the narrative that nature has blessed this country with unparalleled talent that is going to dominate the world if we fix our domestic cricket. As I said, it is an effective coping mechanism.

 

[Savak]

Talent alone is not sustainable in the long run without hard work, work ethic and the passion to be the best you can be.

 

[DRsohail]

As I said earlier, Pakistan has a cricketing heritage of 60+ years and people are passionate about it. Obviously, there is cricketing talent in Pakistan. Any country that has a dominant sport will have talent for that sport.

However, the notion that Pakistan has the 'most' talent in the world is nonsense. Nature has not blessed Pakistani people with certain capabilities that their Indian, Australian, English, South African, Caribbean counterparts do not possess. Ultimately, the success of any cricket nation is going to be dependent on the system that is going to churn out those players.

For example, right now there is almost no local cricketing talent in Germany. However, if they give up football and invest in cricket as their main sport, 30-40 years down the line, they will produce quality cricketers.

Our domestic cricket has not been up to the mark which is why we have often failed to maximize our potential, but that does not mean that we will become an unstoppable force if we fix our domestic cricket.

Unfortunately, that has been our coping mechanism of dealing with the numerous disappointments that we have faced over the years. We like to believe that Pakistan is the most talented country in the world because we are zealously patriotic, delusional and optimistic.

So to the cut the long story short: does Pakistan have talent? Yes, but it is not a miracle. Any country that is focused on only one sport is obviously going to produce have talent for it.

Does Pakistan have the most talent in the world? No, that is rubbish and comical.

i still think we have more talent in cricket thn the likes of australia.englaned and even india but our system is rubbish and having tall\ent is due to the lack of other sports .and i think we are blessed with many things as a nation but we have not properly utilized it.u have been pessimistic in you ost but i think its not like this.the lack of good domestic system and merit is the reason we are below far so far..with these things fixed we can be in top 3 criket team easily.

 

[Haz95]

Shaheen, Amir, Hasan with a back up of Rumman, Shinwari (if he returns fit), Abbas, Junaid. Pakistan would have a potent pace attack and even their second string attack will be better than a lot of countries'. Then in the 3rd string, there's some supposed names like Bashir, Ehtisham, Mudassar and Irfan who apparently can handle themselves and are international class too. With good training and no nepotism with these players, who knows what could happen....Pakistan is definitely a country with good talent and definitely can be a lot superior if they had a better system. Batting however is questionable, there's not much batsmen in Pakistan who can even reach Pak legend level. Haris Sohail is talented but lacks dominance and stamina for big scores and truly there's only Azhar and Babar who are world class talents, the rest seem respectable.

When it comes to natural talent however, no one can touch the West Indies. Historically they've been them insane genetics which if fed through a proper system can produce players of the same calibre as the dreaded 80s pacers. Even batting talent they do have..Brathwaithe, Hope, Chase, Bravo, allrounders in Russel, Sammy who can send the ball miles away. They through a proper system can genuinely be world beaters.

 

[Markhor]

Plenty of talent when you look at this PSL draft. However will they be developed and coached properly ?

 

[Savak]

So how do we feel about this question today? Will people make fun of IK when he says Jitna talent Pakistan main hai purre dunya main nahin hai?"

 

[Mean&Green]

Damn thank you to whoever made this thread I never knew it existed I know this is the biggest myth ever we got no talent left in pk kids aren’t even interested in cricket anymore or sports half the Punjab is doing drugs and other activities I don’t want to mention which is where the majority of players come from in pak and khyber talent isn’t even nurtured properly so. Anyways point is there is no talent the ones playing right now are the best we have in Pakistan except maybe one or two of the players

 

[Usman Chadda]

Ofcourse it would look like we have no talent, when we have keyboard warriors like ourselves more interested in banging away commenting on a sport we can only dream to play at the highest level.

In a seriousness though, talent will always be there but the systems in place are archaic. Only a few on this site really understand what's truly wrong with Pakistan cricket, while the rest are content on blaming selectors, coach and captain in a vicious endless cycle. Fans are equally as unintelligent as the administrators in our cricket board.

 

[Sunny_majoka]

Damn thank you to whoever made this thread I never knew it existed I know this is the biggest myth ever we got no talent left in pk kids aren’t even interested in cricket anymore or sports half the Punjab is doing drugs and other activities I don’t want to mention which is where the majority of players come from in pak and khyber talent isn’t even nurtured properly so. Anyways point is there is no talent the ones playing right now are the best we have in Pakistan except maybe one or two of the players

I belong to small town in Punjab we are cricket loving people. When I was child we had luxury of playing in school ground in evening (only government school their). But now the only ground we had is now banned because of security reasons. So our youth has now lost interest in cricket and indulge in other activities.
Pakistan don't have the system to produce talent. The playing grounds in Pakistan have been transferred into commercial and residential areas.
What will you accept from a nation who's half of youth don't have access to play grounds and only play in streets.
This is now alarming situation. If Pakistan want to produce athletes they should focus on building play grounds.
Everything come from process to become world beater they have to go through from process. All have great potential but we only need process to discover hidden talent or potential Because it's the process which extract talent from youth.

 

[pillionrider]

This is now alarming situation. If Pakistan want to produce athletes they should focus on building play grounds.

This reminds me of an interview with Imran long time back. He talked about being amazed when he first went to Australia and England regarding the number of grounds and play areas available to kids. The onus is now on him to do something about this, now that he has the power.

 

[Greenstorm]

Talent is in abundance. You only need to visit some country side or suburbs and you will surely find young fast bowlers with beautiful rhythmic actions and batsmen gifted with perfect hand eye coordination.
Issue is that only a small fraction from our talent pool plays proper hardball cricket at a young age. Most of them waste their talent by playing tape ball cricket in streets or on kachey grounds.

 

[Dr_Bassim]

Talent is in abundance. You only need to visit some country side or suburbs and you will surely find young fast bowlers with beautiful rhythmic actions and batsmen gifted with perfect hand eye coordination.
Issue is that only a small fraction from our talent pool plays proper hardball cricket at a young age. Most of them waste their talent by playing tape ball cricket in streets or on kachey grounds.

But isn't that true for every country.

If we have talent, surely countries like NZ with half the population of Pakistan are riding on the crest of talent also.

You make it sound like only Pakistan is blessed with abundance of talent while other countries are searching hard but coming up short.

 

[Greenstorm]

But isn't that true for every country.

If we have talent, surely countries like NZ with half the population of Pakistan are riding on the crest of talent also.

You make it sound like only Pakistan is blessed with abundance of talent while other countries are searching hard but coming up short.

Obviously every country has enough talented players. It is all about putting the right system in place in order to nurture them.

 

[Savak]

I wonder if this PSL exposes this harsh reality. Ramiz Raja keeps talking about the need to declare a batting emergency in the country. Cricket nowdays is about batsmen and barring Babar Azam, we don't have any other batsmen.

 

[shamaan]

I wonder if this PSL exposes this harsh reality. Ramiz Raja keeps talking about the need to declare a batting emergency in the country. Cricket nowdays is about batsmen and barring Babar Azam, we don't have any other batsmen.

Unless you get rid of trash such as malik and hafeez wont happen

 

[sweep_shot]

I wonder if this PSL exposes this harsh reality. Ramiz Raja keeps talking about the need to declare a batting emergency in the country. Cricket nowdays is about batsmen and barring Babar Azam, we don't have any other batsmen.

Agreed.

Batting quality has gone down for Pakistan. There is no shortage of bowlers but batting needs attention.

Pakistan needs some clean hitters like Shahid Afridi and Abdul Razzaq.

 

[tyron_woodley]

used to have younis yousuf, inzi.

now? babar. need 2 more. Can they find 2 more?

 

[tyron_woodley]

But isn't that true for every country.

If we have talent, surely countries like NZ with half the population of Pakistan are riding on the crest of talent also.

You make it sound like only Pakistan is blessed with abundance of talent while other countries are searching hard but coming up short.

but they are far richer, have better school systems, better access to proper nutrition and diet. You think cricketers can become elite on a chicken biryani diet? They have better infrastructure, more resources and the standard of living is far better. That's why pakistam being able to compete with these richer nations is a credible feat.

 

[Kroll]

Add bohat unpredictable hai to that.

 

[khan_aa]

Went to Pakistsn after 22 years and just came back.

Barely saw anyone playing cricket in grounds and streets. Packed streets with.l cars, thela everywhere.

Much different than before.

I understand a lot of it was because of corona but all my friends said interest in cricket has declined

 

[Ab Fan]

Talent to hai but how far do you stretch your cricket with talent only?

 

[Saj]

The bowlers are coming through but the batting cupboard looks rather empty.

I look at talented batsmen as those who could win you or save you a Test match. I don't see many such batsmen.

 

[Sher Khan]

The bowlers are coming through but the batting cupboard looks rather empty.

I look at talented batsmen as those who could win you or save you a Test match. I don't see many such batsmen.

There is one batsman named Abdullah Shafique. He has a watertight technique and is a classy young batsmen. Scored a ton on FC debut, but hasnt got a match after. It comes down to a lack of oppurtunities.

 

[Savak]

The bowlers are coming through but the batting cupboard looks rather empty.

I look at talented batsmen as those who could win you or save you a Test match. I don't see many such batsmen.

Tbh I think it's a serious coaching issue at the NCA and domestic cricket, if a country has not produced batsmen for a long while, it's time to question the coaches and the quality of coaching they are giving to the next generation. It's been abysmal for a while

 

[Dr_Bassim]

but they are far richer, have better school systems, better access to proper nutrition and diet. You think cricketers can become elite on a chicken biryani diet? They have better infrastructure, more resources and the standard of living is far better. That's why pakistam being able to compete with these richer nations is a credible feat.

And that's why Pakistan hasn't won a World Cup since 1992.

 

[rockyboy2018]

This is the same drug that Pakistan prime minister and Army gives to their nation by chanting "Pakistan Zindabad" on 14th August or Pakistani are very talented people in academics even though hardly produced noble prize winners given its talented population. The only thing we are good at is "deluding ourselves".

Pakistan is not even in the race, the only thing, we can do is hope. If that hope produces good results, we should be happy otherwise Pakistan should not be compared to any developed countries. Similarly, when it comes to cricket or sports in general, it is the same thing. What is the use of talent if there is no brain cells at all. Education is very important even for sports personalities our primary education is a piece of junk, does not develop any critical thinking skills. Developing critical thinking is very important and leads to developing good game awareness. Not everything should be done on "gut" feeling. That is a paindoo thinking.

 

[CadPakFan]

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[MMHS]

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Any thoughts?

Nothing - to be harshly honest. In a country of 23 crore, if a sports is religiously followed in every corner, you'll see many, many such kids around. It doesn't mean any thing - talent doesn't produce pro sportsmen - that's the biggest myth. I also can post several BD kids with absolute picture perfect batting stance - high-elbow, steady head, toe in line ....... then they might end like Imrul Kayes.

You know what is natural talent - one US Boxing coach gave a little glimpse of that "..... when I was travelling for a week in Havana, I saw kids, 13/14/15 years old, playing on the beach ..... suddenly few of them made a ring standing together in round and two of them took out their shirt, rolled it around the wrist ....and started to box - no technique, footwork; just pure natural free swing of arm and lightning like reflexes, with steel made jaws and ribs. I could make couple of world beaters just from picking few from my one week stay there".................... that's natural talent, which Cubans converted in to 6 to 8 golds out of 12 in Olympics or World Championship, through their home made system; otherwise one Pro US boxer could have bought entire Cuban Boxing Federation by his one Credit Card.

The natural talent that PAK had was shaped into Imrans & Javeds & Akrams & Zaheers by English Counties - that's still is there, unfortunately without County, now it is better used to troll Bangladeshi & AFG fans here in PP. These clips I have seen many times in past - bring me one such kid after 7-8 years, where is he and what he is doing .......... last I can recall, I was given "gyaan" regarding natural talent of Yasir Jaan..........

Sorry for my rant, but just not in the mood after home locked for 19 days now, and counting.

 

[ManFan]

Nothing - to be harshly honest. In a country of 23 crore, if a sports is religiously followed in every corner, you'll see many, many such kids around. It doesn't mean any thing - talent doesn't produce pro sportsmen - that's the biggest myth. I also can post several BD kids with absolute picture perfect batting stance - high-elbow, steady head, toe in line ....... then they might end like Imrul Kayes.

You know what is natural talent - one US Boxing coach gave a little glimpse of that "..... when I was travelling for a week in Havana, I saw kids, 13/14/15 years old, playing on the beach ..... suddenly few of them made a ring standing together in round and two of them took out their shirt, rolled it around the wrist ....and started to box - no technique, footwork; just pure natural free swing of arm and lightning like reflexes, with steel made jaws and ribs. I could make couple of world beaters just from picking few from my one week stay there".................... that's natural talent, which Cubans converted in to 6 to 8 golds out of 12 in Olympics or World Championship, through their home made system; otherwise one Pro US boxer could have bought entire Cuban Boxing Federation by his one Credit Card.

The natural talent that PAK had was shaped into Imrans & Javeds & Akrams & Zaheers by English Counties - that's still is there, unfortunately without County, now it is better used to troll Bangladeshi & AFG fans here in PP. These clips I have seen many times in past - bring me one such kid after 7-8 years, where is he and what he is doing .......... last I can recall, I was given "gyaan" regarding natural talent of Yasir Jaan..........

Sorry for my rant, but just not in the mood after home locked for 19 days now, and counting.

Neither is anybody else.

As far the myth, when people say “talent”, it’s not that Pakistan has more talent than other countries. If so, NZ would win because it’s done the most with the least population.

But rather that their talent is good enough to compete without the resources and facilities that are offered in other cricketing nations and boards. Is it anyone’s fault? No one really except the inept administrators.

People may not like it but the monopoly of the Big Three is a major reason for the decline of cricket, both in popularity and interest. They have made cricket saturated and bent rules to appeal to the lowest denominator, robbing it of its appeal.

Pakistan still manages to capture the imagination of cricketing fans in ways that no other cricketing nation does. There’s always a story with Pakistan, which is part of the reason why you and I are here on this forum.

 

[ManFan]

Neither is anybody else.

As far the myth, when people say “talent”, it’s not that Pakistan has more talent than other countries. If so, NZ would win because it’s done the most with the least population.

But rather that their talent is good enough to compete without the resources and facilities that are offered in other cricketing nations and boards. Is it anyone’s fault? No one really except the inept administrators.

People may not like it but the monopoly of the Big Three is a major reason for the decline of cricket, both in popularity and interest. They have made cricket saturated and bent rules to appeal to the lowest denominator, robbing it of its appeal.

Pakistan still manages to capture the imagination of cricketing fans in ways that no other cricketing nation does. There’s always a story with Pakistan, which is part of the reason why you and I are here on this forum.

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[MMHS]

Neither is anybody else.

As far the myth, when people say “talent”, it’s not that Pakistan has more talent than other countries. If so, NZ would win because it’s done the most with the least population.

But rather that their talent is good enough to compete without the resources and facilities that are offered in other cricketing nations and boards. Is it anyone’s fault? No one really except the inept administrators.

People may not like it but the monopoly of the Big Three is a major reason for the decline of cricket, both in popularity and interest. They have made cricket saturated and bent rules to appeal to the lowest denominator, robbing it of its appeal.

Pakistan still manages to capture the imagination of cricketing fans in ways that no other cricketing nation does. There’s always a story with Pakistan, which is part of the reason why you and I are here on this forum.

No, I am here for the PAK team at the time of my boyhood - I didn’t have my own team therefore there was no unconditional loyalty; I started supporting the most exciting two teams of that era. Child & boyhood passed in Australia & UK, hence I had the chance to watch PAK & WIN teams more frequently when cricket was more of a radio thing. That PAK team was a gift of English county, players happen to carry PAK passport.

On top of that, mom was a big fan of PAK team - daughter of a civil servant, born in Karachi, schooled in Pindi, she took me to PAK cricket in my childhood - that first love is what brought me here and still continuing because of the emotional bondage with PP, that I have developed over the years ... otherwise the natural talent show that recent PAK team has shown, you couldn’t have dragged me here with couple of elephants. Just today, I wrote an essay on that Bangalore Test, 2005 - sweet, nostalgic memory, still chimes.

Cricket is still surviving for the big three - the earlier we realise that, there will be some efforts to be self sufficient and try to gain own weight.... otherwise, for many, many years we will be begging for an Indian tour or a trip to UK or Australia. Big three have preserved the core of this game, kept the basics still correct; otherwise if it was dictated by wrong hand, by now majority bowlers would have been chucking, bowler would have been using knife to “rough up the ball” ... add to that betting, fixing, doping .... by now our younger generation would have known that cricket is a game played for 5, 10 & 20 overs duration. I for one am extremely happy that it’s dictated by the people who values the core essence of it and knows how to run it commercially.

 

[Ab Fan]

Pakistan is the only cricket nation that went on to produce such great cricketers without a great cricket setup and administration.

India have gotten better in past two decades because of the drastic improvement in Indian cricket administration.

 

[Sean143]

pakistan is the only cricket nation that went on to produce such great cricketers without a great cricket setup and administration.

India have gotten better in past two decades because of the drastic improvement in indian cricket administration.

wi

 

[unemployedgm]

I believe there is talent in Pakistan. That talent is poorly identified, evaluated, projected, developed, and integrated into an aligned setup. Who is to blame?

You have to blame the board, because they have done a horrible job Identifying Selectors and that institution has failed Pakistan. We ve also been poor at grooming and selecting captains/coaches.

 

[tyron_woodley]

Pakistan is the only cricket nation that went on to produce such great cricketers without a great cricket setup and administration.

India have gotten better in past two decades because of the drastic improvement in Indian cricket administration.

Still the standard of living, plus nutrition/diet for the average player is poor. Sub par for both india and Pakistan. Facilities is still quite poor compared to SENA nations.

So credit to india and Pakistan should be given for being able to compete despite these disadvantages. Not to mention quota system and other internal politics due to caste etc and favoritism which is pervasive amongst the desi countries unlike in in england, australia and New zeland.

 

[Afhan Ali]

No, I am here for the PAK team at the time of my boyhood - I didn’t have my own team therefore there was no unconditional loyalty; I started supporting the most exciting two teams of that era. Child & boyhood passed in Australia & UK, hence I had the chance to watch PAK & WIN teams more frequently when cricket was more of a radio thing. That PAK team was a gift of English county, players happen to carry PAK passport.

On top of that, mom was a big fan of PAK team - daughter of a civil servant, born in Karachi, schooled in Pindi, she took me to PAK cricket in my childhood - that first love is what brought me here and still continuing because of the emotional bondage with PP, that I have developed over the years ... otherwise the natural talent show that recent PAK team has shown, you couldn’t have dragged me here with couple of elephants. Just today, I wrote an essay on that Bangalore Test, 2005 - sweet, nostalgic memory, still chimes.

Cricket is still surviving for the big three - the earlier we realise that, there will be some efforts to be self sufficient and try to gain own weight.... otherwise, for many, many years we will be begging for an Indian tour or a trip to UK or Australia. Big three have preserved the core of this game, kept the basics still correct; otherwise if it was dictated by wrong hand, by now majority bowlers would have been chucking, bowler would have been using knife to “rough up the ball” ... add to that betting, fixing, doping .... by now our younger generation would have known that cricket is a game played for 5, 10 & 20 overs duration. I for one am extremely happy that it’s dictated by the people who values the core essence of it and knows how to run it commercially.

I also agree that this " Pakistan mai talent boht hai" is nothing serious and not true but if county cricket is soo strong why England has just won 1 WC in their history in 2019?

 

[khan_aa]

talent without discipline is like a fast ship without a compass...

 

[TeymurBlake]

For talent to excel there needs be proper facilities, setup and regime within the system. Fitness nowadays is the big deciding factor in selection for Pakistan. There needs to be a proper setup for players to thrive and get selected. For example if your a batsman, you need to have the right technique, temperament and judgement. Fitness needs to be the basic commodity within any sports athlete let alone cricket. The problem is in Pakistan, there isn't any nutrition, dietitian nor mental health help. For a team to excel major departments need to be introduced and funded. Talent will only take you so far and we are beyond to days of unearthing another Wasim Akram.

 

[tyron_woodley]

I also agree that this " Pakistan mai talent boht hai" is nothing serious and not true but if county cricket is soo strong why England has just won 1 WC in their history in 2019?

they dint even win it rofl. Fluked a draw and stole a win morelike.

They weren't even the best team in the compeititon either.

biggest joke of the year.

They are a solid test side in swing conditions though.

 

[MMHS]

I also agree that this " Pakistan mai talent boht hai" is nothing serious and not true but if county cricket is soo strong why England has just won 1 WC in their history in 2019?

WC in not any scale - SAF hasn't won even one. Also, Country cricket has declined considerably in last 23 years once PCA forced Counties to reduce foreign quota from almost unlimited to one. Before that, Poms made three finals, but lost on the day to the better team.

County cricket is not about talent hunt, therefore relating it to English success or failure is silly. It's a platform for the best scouted talents to be polished into professional cricketers and it indeed was a fantastic platform with proper coaching and development programs. May be, the foreigners playing there during those days were simply more hungry than English players. Or they had better talent pool than England.

During the period of 1960s to 2000s, Australia & SAF had much better teams than England and most of their players we're groomed by their domestics, without County - that suggests, County cricket is just a name of a proper cricket system, which allowed global talents to be polished. Had Sheffield Shield allowed three four foreigners, PAK team could have been even better in late 1980s!!!! Imran played one season for NSW (1984-85) & result is 35 years later with executing power, he is trying to implement Australian system into Pakistan cricket.....

Pakistan & West Indies were two teams almost entirely dependent on foreign resources to develop their players - last true great of West Indies cricket was polished at Warwickshire.... that's why, decline or raise of Country cricket didn't affect England much, neither SAF or NZ; but these two teams, arguably the best two in world during the peak years of English Country are basically elite minnows these days - not because of the quality (or lack of it) of County Cricket, rather because it stopped hiring potential PAK & WIN youngsters since mid 90s - something should be eye opener. Asad Shafiques are not turning into Zaheer Abbas.

In a tiny cricket world, WHATEVER happens, in foreseeable future, PAK won't go down below 10th in Test ranking & 12th in ODI ranking - that's cricket world for you; compared to a game like soccer where 32 teams play World Cup and last time, two of the teams that failed to qualify were by the name of Italy & Holland. In reality, since Counties stopped hiring PAK players, in last 25 years, SRL & NZL have comfortably leap frogged PAK, when it comes to produce world class players, and India has gone to a different cloud. Still, just from the bowling action of a baby, if such thread is bumped, I feel something is not right here.

 

[Greenstorm]

Nothing - to be harshly honest. In a country of 23 crore, if a sports is religiously followed in every corner, you'll see many, many such kids around. It doesn't mean any thing - talent doesn't produce pro sportsmen - that's the biggest myth. I also can post several BD kids with absolute picture perfect batting stance - high-elbow, steady head, toe in line ....... then they might end like Imrul Kayes.

You know what is natural talent - one US Boxing coach gave a little glimpse of that "..... when I was travelling for a week in Havana, I saw kids, 13/14/15 years old, playing on the beach ..... suddenly few of them made a ring standing together in round and two of them took out their shirt, rolled it around the wrist ....and started to box - no technique, footwork; just pure natural free swing of arm and lightning like reflexes, with steel made jaws and ribs. I could make couple of world beaters just from picking few from my one week stay there".................... that's natural talent, which Cubans converted in to 6 to 8 golds out of 12 in Olympics or World Championship, through their home made system; otherwise one Pro US boxer could have bought entire Cuban Boxing Federation by his one Credit Card.

The natural talent that PAK had was shaped into Imrans & Javeds & Akrams & Zaheers by English Counties - that's still is there, unfortunately without County, now it is better used to troll Bangladeshi & AFG fans here in PP. These clips I have seen many times in past - bring me one such kid after 7-8 years, where is he and what he is doing .......... last I can recall, I was given "gyaan" regarding natural talent of Yasir Jaan..........

Sorry for my rant, but just not in the mood after home locked for 19 days now, and counting.

You are making an obvious point that talent is not the only factor that determines success.

There is nothing wrong in taking pride in a country's talent pool. If a Pakistani says "Pakistan mein talent bohat hai", it does not mean that he is trolling Bangladesh or Afghanistan.

 

[MMHS]

You are making an obvious point that talent is not the only factor that determines success.

There is nothing wrong in taking pride in a country's talent pool. If a Pakistani says "Pakistan mein talent bohat hai", it does not mean that he is trolling Bangladesh or Afghanistan.

No - what I tried to explain that, with that comments, someone is trolling Pakistan first. I

 

[Kroll]

I believe there is talent in Pakistan. That talent is poorly identified, evaluated, projected, developed, and integrated into an aligned setup. Who is to blame?

You have to blame the board, because they have done a horrible job Identifying Selectors and that institution has failed Pakistan. We ve also been poor at grooming and selecting captains/coaches.

In other words, its a horribly corrupt system.

 

[Mamoon]

The biggest myth ever.

First team getting humiliated in Test cricket.

Shaheen team getting humiliated by NZ domestic players.

 

[AMSS]

Pakistan may talent bohat hay.

An article of faith for me.

 

[iiqbal]

The biggest myth ever.

First team getting humiliated in Test cricket.

Shaheen team getting humiliated by NZ domestic players.

36

 

[Mamoon]

36

Keeping hanging on to “36” as India romp to another Test win in Australia while Pakistan are yet to draw a match since 1999.

But what else can Pakistani fans do when Indian cricket has left Pakistan cricket in its dust. Choti choti khushiyan are all we are left with.

 

[marlonbrowndo]

Forget about structural problems etc. We actually have less talent than most other cricketing countries. I’ll explain later in a longer post

 

[shah_1]

Cricket infrastructure in Pakistan is 3rd class, there is no plans by PCB to work on that. The number of semi professional cricketers declining as club cricket is on rapid decline. According to our PM that 6 teams will magically transform us into an elite team .

My relative who used to play club cricket in 80s and 90s, played with likes of Saeed Anwar in Karachi shared great experience of how
competitive it was and so many clubs played in that era . Now it is not 5% of 90s and 80s, most clubs closed due to lack of funds and grounds being encroached by land mafia.

 

[Savak]

India began investing in its cricket in the 90's and suffered a lot of pain, defeats and only started seeing marginal returns under Ganguly's leadership in the early 2000's, decent returns under Dhoni in the later 2000's and now big returns today.

Does Pakistan Cricket, fans, ex players, media officials, politicians have the stomach, patience to allow the current reforms being made by Ehsan Mani, Wasim Khan to show results in 10-20 years?

 

[The_KING]

Talent without work ethic, intelligence is useless. The talent is there but the problem is that a lot of our players don’t have the required work ethic or they simply aren’t very smart.

 

[pillionrider]

What's the average age of Pakistani posters on this forum. There seem to be plenty in their early 20s and a regular influx of new ones. Most of them seem passionate.

Some have questionable knowledge but at least jazba is there

Even if you factor in that a lot of them are outside Pakistan, isn't that a reflection of the culture. And if the culture is still cricket-crazy, shouldn't that translate to good upcoming cricketers? After all, isn't a passionate interest in the game the first step to being a good cricketer. When you consider the available population, even a small percentage of this population should suffice.

What's the TV/internet exposure in rural Pakistan. If this is decent, there must be hordes of quality players waiting to be harvested.

 

[azimiqbal]

It’s not a myth there is plenty of talent in plaid than but all talent needs nurturing !

Also merit is needed in order for talent to flourish , how can talent progress without being picked ?

Example Sindh under 19’s have been dominate in the last three years , but fail to reperesent Pakistan at under 19 level.

Also there have been countless examples of under 19 players being top performers but ignored by Pakistan under 19’s.

Finally you need a system in place to recognise talent in system and wrap them in cotton whool, giving them the best chance to succeed.

At the moment any players who succeed do regardless of the system not because of the system.