The NFL Thread

[asifp]

lol. The Eagles. And Jason Avant

The Bills are 4-1. The Ealges are 1-4. Who woulda thought?

Eagles found interesting ways to lose man. hahah too funny.

So much for the dream team. You can get all you want but if your O-Line is not set you cannot win. Add to that the turnovers.

 

[SAF]

They are just making mistakes that's all. And lucky for them that their division is a joke..so season isn't exactly over for them..

 

[asifp]

They are just making mistakes that's all. And lucky for them that their division is a joke..so season isn't exactly over for them..

I agree, they can easily go on a run and win quite a few, however to make the playoffs they needs around 10 wins, which means 9 out of the next 11, not exactly a walk in the park.

 

[Inswinger]

Disappointing game for the Giants. The O-Line let us down big time.

 

[Gotham Cronie]

I agree, they can easily go on a run and win quite a few, however to make the playoffs they needs around 10 wins, which means 9 out of the next 11, not exactly a walk in the park.

It's not but there's not many coaches I'd rather have then Reid. He has one of the best records in the league in November and December.

 

[SAF]

wow, cruz! he made a ridiculous catch!!

http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/blog/sh...17-Cruz-makes-jaw-dropping-one?urn=nfl-wp9016

 

[QuarterBack]

Revenge is sweet!
Helping the Jests on their way to a 3 game losing streak is sweeter!
Icing the game - The sacking of the sorry derriere of Mark Sanchez.

Rex wanted to see ground and pound, he def saw some ground and pound, but by The Law Firm! That was some awesome smash mouth football by the Pats O!

Yeah baby!!!

 

[asifp]

The chosen one Tebow almost got Denver a insane comeback win.


on a side note hate late night Packer games, starts at 1am Monday night. Sleepy Monday in the office

 

[SAF]

The chosen one Tebow almost got Denver a insane comeback win.


on a side note hate late night Packer games, starts at 1am Monday night. Sleepy Monday in the office

huh? The game already started..and its 8 : 40 pm here (Sunday night)

 

[SAF]

Brady and his whining.. Why is he always crying to the refs?
Pats have NO defense. If Ravens can get their O together, they can easily be the best of the AFC right now.

and NY Jets stink lol. Good, they deserve it. Derrik Mason was benched in 3rd qtr lol. He'l probably be cut after a few games.

 

[Romali_rotti]

1 more loss for the Eagles and its season over...........

 

[asifp]

and the Aaron Rodgers shows continues. Without his starting Right or Left tackle, made adjustments, left the pocket, threw on the run and schooled the Falcons.

Is anyone else even allowed in the MVP race right now?

On a side now the Def finally showed up last night, after beeing doormat for the first four weeks.

Next two stops Rams and Vikings, we should be 7-0 going into the bye week

 

[QuarterBack]

Brady and his whining.. Why is he always crying to the refs?

Yikes, someone's obsessed with Brady... :kami

Pats have NO defense. If Ravens can get their O together, they can easily be the best of the AFC right now.

If my aunt had balls, she would be my uncle! One more observation about the AFC:
"If Pats can get their D together, they can easily be the best of the AFC right now"
There you go!
Being the best in the AFC is week 5 is equivalent to leading a marathon after one mile... Means jack!

and NY Jets stink lol. Good, they deserve it. Derrik Mason was benched in 3rd qtr lol. He'l probably be cut after a few games.

Agreed. Once a Raven, always a Raven - useless scared crow!

 

[asifp]

1 more loss for the Eagles and its season over...........

They are just sucking all over the place, however the rest of the schedule is quite good so the "dream team" can try to make some sort of a come back

 

[kingusama92]

Eagles are just awful. All name, no game.

 

[SAF]

EYikes, someone's obsessed with Brady... :kami

So you agree with me? Was he not whining like crazy last night? He needs to man up.

If my aunt had balls, she would be my uncle!

Well that sucks for you.

Plus whats with the balls joke lately? Seems like you are the one whose a little too obsessed with that pretty boy Tom Brady

One more observation about the AFC:
"If Pats can get their D together, they can easily be the best of the AFC right now

"
Lol atleast Ravens have the decent/above avg offensive players who just arent playing up to their potential. Who are the Pats' defensive players that you can brag about??

Btw, last time I checked, NE was deadlast in defensive category.

Being the best in the AFC is week 5 is equivalent to leading a marathon after one mile... Means jack!

Really? I didnt know that. Well, thanks for stating the obvious. Much appreciated

Agreed. Once a Raven, always a Raven - useless scared crow!

Scared? He actually had the guts to criticize the offense unlike some of the real wussies in that team. Useless? Depends. Jets are using him as a slot receiver when infact he is more of a sideline to sideline receiver. Plus Sanchez is an inaccurate qb, so that doesnt help either.

But you know whose useless? :

Chad Chavo "Theselfpromotor" Ochocinco Johnson

 

[Gotham Cronie]

Eagles are just awful. All name, no game.

The name players have game and have been doing well.

It's the no name linebackers and o-line that are killing this team.

 

[Gotham Cronie]

1 more loss for the Eagles and its season over...........

3 more and they're done. I think 10-6 will win the division.

 

[QuarterBack]

So you agree with me? Was he not whining like crazy last night? He needs to man up.

Err, no he was not. You need to watch some actual football. With Flacco as your QB, i can understand why you would forget what an elite QB does. You are forgiven for that.

Well that sucks for you.

Plus whats with the balls joke lately? Seems like you are the one whose a little too obsessed with that pretty boy Tom Brady

Man, you crow fans cant comprehend a simple quote, can you?! Tch tch...

"
Lol atleast Ravens have the decent/above avg offensive players who just arent playing up to their potential. Who are the Pats' defensive players that you can brag about??

L-O-L You mean player! Singular. Ray Rice. End there of! And yeah, Pats have all below average players on D! Wilfork, Ellis, Carter, McCourty, Chung, Big Al ---> did you say "not playing to potential"?

Btw just to clarify, at this point of time, Ravens are a better team than the Pats, no two ways about it IMO.

Btw, last time I checked, NE was deadlast in defensive category.

) Lol, go check again then! Pats are a respectable 14th/32 is PPG, which is what matters in football, not YPG. You can give up 500 yards a game and still shut out an O. Here's Football 101: Team with the most points wins the game, not the team with the most yards! Your football acumen (ahem ahem) is truly astounding!

Really? I didnt know that. Well, thanks for stating the obvious. Much appreciated

You are most welcome.

Scared? He actually had the guts to criticize the offense unlike some of the real wussies in that team. Useless? Depends. Jets are using him as a slot receiver when infact he is more of a sideline to sideline receiver. Plus Sanchez is an inaccurate qb, so that doesnt help either.

But you know whose useless? :

Chad Chavo "Theselfpromotor" Ochocinco Johnson

Derrick Mason?!

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'Nuff said!

 

[Romali_rotti]

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RIP JJ, how far down we have fallen since you left......

 

[asifp]

Lions and Packers undefeated.

NFC North is where it is. Can't wait till we bring Lions to their knees

 

[QuarterBack]

Lions and Packers undefeated.

NFC North is where it is. Can't wait till we bring Lions to their knees

I think the entire NFL is waiting for the Thanksgiving Day Packers - Lions match-up!

 

[insaftak]

What's wrong with my jets

 

[Inswinger]

Curry is headed to Oakland. What a bust he is turning out to be.

 

[asifp]

Curry is headed to Oakland. What a bust he is turning out to be.

and he was considered a sure thing.

Exactly what they are saying about Andrew Luck

 

[Inswinger]

Speaking of Luck, what do the Colts do if they end up with the number 1 pick?

a) Draft Luck and have him sit behind Manning for a couple of seasons like Rodgers.

b) Take another player with the first pick.

c) Hold a sale and turn the pick into multiple first and second rounders.

 

[Romali_rotti]

Do or Die for the Eagles, they lose this one and its pretty much OVER!!!!!!!

 

[asifp]

Speaking of Luck, what do the Colts do if they end up with the number 1 pick?

a) Draft Luck and have him sit behind Manning for a couple of seasons like Rodgers.

b) Take another player with the first pick.

c) Hold a sale and turn the pick into multiple first and second rounders.

I would go with the first option.

Luck is considered the best QB prospect since Elway, you don't want to miss a chance on a player like that. Top it off with the fact that he can learn from Manning for 2-3 years, well what else can they ask for

 

[asifp]

Already feeling sorry for the Rams. Packers can probably put 50 points on them if they want

 

[asifp]

6-0, the Packers keep on rolling. Only undefeated team left now.

 

[Inswinger]

Look who's on top of the NFC East!
Good win for Blue after a horrendous show against Seattle.

 

[QuarterBack]

Tom Vintage Brady!!! What a drive to win the game!
All alone at the top of AFC East !

 

[Love Pakistan]

Redskins lost like a bunch of idiots!

 

[SAF]

As expected, The 49ers, the Lions, and the Bills are a combined 14-4 after the first 6 weeks of the season.

Jags almost pulled off a win against Steelers. Lol, steelers looked like a sorry bunch. I hope they continue to struggle..

I saw the last few mins of Bills and Giants..feel bad for the bills. One of their players almost had an interception that could have sent the game to OT.

Eagles just saved their seasnon...I hope they continue to run the ball..

Ravens D continues to impress. Matt Schaub wont be moving around too much tomorrow!
And Ray Rice and Boldin both had a HUGE game today!
Ray Lewis, at this age, is still going strong. 12 tackles, 2 sacks today. He also became the 1st player ever to have 40 sacks and 30 ints. BEAST!

And lol at Derrik Mason. He thought he was gonna win a SB with the Jets . Deserved the boos today.. I bet he gets cut after Andre Johnson comes back.

and Jim Harbaugh is such a loser. Did you guys see his little scrimmage with the Lion's HC? He is a good coach but he needs to calm down with his over the top celebrations.. He acted like he just won a superbowl...

Now I cant wait for MNF.. Lets see Brandon Marshall sticks to his words!

 

[Romali_rotti]

Eagles finally getting some breathing space, good to see Winston Justice playing upto his potential as per draft hype @ Left Tackle...Once Jason Peters comes back then finally Vick wont be taking so much pounding..,

 

[Inswinger]

and Jim Harbaugh is such a loser. Did you guys see his little scrimmage with the Lion's HC? He is a good coach but he needs to calm down with his over the top celebrations.. He acted like he just won a superbowl...

Now I cant wait for MNF.. Lets see Brandon Marshall sticks to his words!

I'm not blaming it all on Harbaugh. Schwartz hasn't been too classy along the sidelines and deserved what he got from Harbaugh. The Lions have been hyped beyond reality and they are going to come crashing down fast.

 

[Inswinger]

Redskins lost like a bunch of idiots!

What do you expect from Rex?

 

[Inswinger]

Eagles finally getting some breathing space, good to see Winston Justice playing upto his potential as per draft hype @ Left Tackle...Once Jason Peters comes back then finally Vick wont be taking so much pounding..,

You can have the Patriots O-Line blocking for Vick and he'll still get hit. He needs to start sliding or he won't last the entire season.

 

[SAF]

I'm not blaming it all on Harbaugh. Schwartz hasn't been too classy along the sidelines and deserved what he got from Harbaugh. The Lions have been hyped beyond reality and they are going to come crashing down fast.

Dont know much about Schwartz, but Jim Harbaugh was acting like a douche. Its nothing new, he is always jumping around and going crazy.

This is the problem with all of the college coaches who come over to NFL.

Atleast John Harbaugh keeps his calm and acts professional. The only time he loses his calm is against refs..

 

[Inswinger]

Gotta feel for Sean Peyton. Broken leg and a torn meniscus. He'll be coaching fro the booth for the foreseeable future.

 

[Gotham Cronie]

Eagles finally getting some breathing space, good to see Winston Justice playing upto his potential as per draft hype @ Left Tackle...Once Jason Peters comes back then finally Vick wont be taking so much pounding..,

I thought Justice was playing Right Tackle?

 

[Gotham Cronie]

You can have the Patriots O-Line blocking for Vick and he'll still get hit. He needs to start sliding or he won't last the entire season.

Vick rarely ever he takes hits when he's running or scrambling. It's in the pocket that he was complaining about.

 

[Gotham Cronie]

 

[Gotham Cronie]

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[Gotham Cronie]

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[asifp]

2-4 Eagles, still a long way to go for the "dream". Managed to beat Redskins when the real Rexy Sexy showed up.

The real question is can anyone challenge the champions....

 

[QuarterBack]

My God, the Jets O is just putrid!

Fortunately for them tonight, the only thing worse is the Dolphins O!

 

[Romali_rotti]

I thought Justice was playing Right Tackle?

My bad, I meant RT

 

[Romali_rotti]

in 2 weeks Trent Cole & Brandon Graham should be back into the lineup will be a big boost.... I really hope BRandon Graham can make it in the NFL, he has talent no doubt:

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[Inswinger]

Carson Palmer likely headed to the Raiders for 2 first round picks!
Al Davis may be gone but the Raiders are continuing to make stupid decisions. Palmer is not worth 2 first rounders.

 

[SAF]

Did anybody watch the 1st and 10 today?

Skip Bayless got destroyed on every single topic by Terrell Suggs. lol

Great show, Asifp will like what he said about Rodgers (he said he is the best qb right now and Packers are the class of NFC)

He also said Brady can be beaten if he's under pressure and that when its all said and done, Rodgers will end up with more rings than Brady---that is if they're not facing the ravens

Compared Flacco vs Steelers to Payton vs Patriots and Jordan vs Pistons (both had to get over those teams to win a ring).

Topics included: Whose better, ravens or steelers? Matt Rayan vs Flacco vs Sanchez, Brady vs Rodgers, Tim Tebow's toughness, will Packers go undefeated? Palmer to Raiders, Reevis=best CB?, Jim Harbough handshake, top 3 nba players, and Lebron James.

audio podcast is available on espn.com

 

[Inswinger]

Skip is a bum. He gets all worked up when somebody tries to disagree with him.

 

[QuarterBack]

Even Pats fans will admit that Skip is a Patriots ball washer!

That being said, he owned Suggs, not surprisingly. Suggs was dead on about the NFL not fining the coaches, but that that. Are you kidding me with the Raiders being Super Bowl contenders with a QB who has not played pro football for 10 months?! )

And Cool Joe?! The Ernie look alike?!
In the words of Tom Jackson, "C'Mon Man"!!!

Honorary mentions - Revis not better than Baily and Woodson?!

That show has gotten progressively worse, with people rehearsing and sticking to their punch lines instead of actually debating something!

I heard that Suggs destroyed Sanchez, which given his playing level, is not a hard thing to do.

FWIW, Rogers is playing at an insane level right now and is easily the best QB in the league this year. We, as Pats fans know how that feels and how it feels to have an unbeaten record. Unfortunately, we also know how much it hurts if you fail to reach the ultimate goal! Something that the cheeseheads might go through too (given the rest of their schedule).

@#$@#$@#$ you Asante!!!

 

[Gotham Cronie]

Eagles finally getting some breathing space, good to see Winston Justice playing upto his potential as per draft hype @ Left Tackle...Once Jason Peters comes back then finally Vick wont be taking so much pounding..,

Yeah it'd be pretty sweet if WJ stepped it up.

Move Herremans back to LG. Him and Peters can make lanes all day.

 

[SAF]

lol, Suggs never said the Raiders would win SB, he said they were playoff contenders because of the RB, pass rush D and now a solid QB..

Skip repeatedly screamed out Flacco hasnt beaten good qb's in playoffs, and Suggs was quick to point out the Pats game, which completely shut up Skip! haha. Skip had nothing to say to Suggs up until the Tebow topic, where he completely lost his cool with Suggs. lol

 

[QuarterBack]

lol, Suggs never said the Raiders would win SB, he said they were playoff contenders because of the RB, pass rush D and now a solid QB..

err, the qn was if it makes them SB contenders and he said "yes". after the beat down by Skip, he corrected himself.

Skip repeatedly screamed out Flacco hasnt beaten good qb's in playoffs, and Suggs was quick to point out the Pats game, which completely shut up Skip! haha.

Oh the game where Flacco was 4-10 with 34 yards, 0 tds and 1 INT?! Yeah, smart of Suggs to point that out after being repeatedly called out with the Steelers game last year!

 

[SAF]

err, the qn was if it makes them SB contenders and he said "yes". after the beat down by Skip, he corrected himself.

Suggs obviously didnt get the complete question, he said the Raiders will definitely make the playoffs because of their running game and their pass rush D and that they can be a 'dangerous' team in the playoffs

Oh the game where Flacco was 4-10 with 34 yards, 0 tds and 1 INT?! Yeah, smart of Suggs to point that out after being repeatedly called out with the Steelers game last year!

Skip's point was: Flacco hasnt beaten a team with a good QB in the playoffs. When Suggs replied with the pats game, Skip had nothing to say and they went on to the next topic. ha! Nobody was comparing the two QB's

The only time they compared Flacco with other QB's was with Sanchez and Matt Rayan. (Though Suggs think Flacco has the potential to be better than Big Ben, which I disagree with..)

 

[QuarterBack]

Skip's point was: Flacco hasnt beaten a team with a good QB in the playoffs. When Suggs replied with the pats game, Skip had nothing to say and they went on to the next topic. ha! Nobody was comparing the two QB's

*Sigh*
Skip's point: Flacco has not beaten a good QB driven team
Suggs: Pats game! Pats game!

Err, news flash for Suggs and SAF: Ravens won that game on Ray Rice's and the D's back. They beat the Pats, Flacco tried his best to not give it away with his 10.0 passer rating. Ergo, HE did NOT beat the Pats, which was precisely Skip's point. Again, *Sigh* at the fact that Suggs didnt get it.

Suggs' point with Dilfer was also shot down just as fast by Skip, who rightly pointed out that
a. The league is different now
b. This D is nowhere as close as the 2000 Ravens D

 

[SAF]

*Sigh*
Skip's point: Flacco has not beaten a good QB driven team
Suggs: Pats game! Pats game!

Err, news flash for Suggs and SAF: Ravens won that game on Ray Rice's and the D's back. They beat the Pats, Flacco tried his best to not give it away with his 10.0 passer rating. Ergo, HE did NOT beat the Pats, which was precisely Skip's point. Again, *Sigh* at the fact that Suggs didnt get it.

Suggs' point with Dilfer was also shot down just as fast by Skip, who rightly pointed out that
a. The league is different now
b. This D is nowhere as close as the 2000 Ravens D

who said HE beat the Pats? lol watch from 9:38
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Oh ofcourse the league is different now. lol

Skip's an idiot, all of his silly points were shot down by Suggs, Mangini and other analysts. This is the same guy who thinks Tim Tebow is the best thing since sliced bread and that Vince Young is a better QB than Vick..

 

[QuarterBack]

who said HE beat the Pats? lol watch from 9:38

SAF, C'Mon man! You really need to listen to that again!

Suggs: "Excuse me, in 2009 who did HE beat in a playoff game?! He beat Tom Brady!" And Skip was right on to beat him silly "Ray Rice ran wild". And hence the whole point about Flacco not being able to beat good QB driven teams. Not the Ravens being unable to do so, but Flacco being unable to carry the team! Seriously, its not that hard to understand, unless for a Ravens homer. Duh!

Skip's an idiot, all of his silly points were shot down by Suggs, Mangini and other analysts. This is the same guy who thinks Tim Tebow is the best thing since sliced bread and that Vince Young is a better QB than Vick..

Lol, Mangina is incredibly silly and petty! And no, neither he, nor Suggs "shot down" Skip. Which is saying a lot, since Skip is not that good!

 

[Inswinger]

Joe Flacco will never be a QB that can put a team on his back. The Ravens will go as far as the D takes them, not Flacco. There are about 20 QBs in the NFL that are better than Joe.

 

[QuarterBack]

^^^ Exactly. Flacco is a def upgrade over Trent Dilfer and Marc Bulger, but unfortunately for the Ravens, thats not saying much.

And their FO messed up this off season IMO by not getting him more help. Their O runs through Ray Rice now. Stop him and thats half the battle won.

 

[SAF]

Joe Flacco will never be a QB that can put a team on his back. The Ravens will go as far as the D takes them, not Flacco. There are about 20 QBs in the NFL that are better than Joe.

Name me 20 qbs better than joe.

 

[SAF]

SAF, C'Mon man! You really need to listen to that again!

Suggs: "Excuse me, in 2009 who did HE beat in a playoff game?! He beat Tom Brady!" And Skip was right on to beat him silly "Ray Rice ran wild". And hence the whole point about Flacco not being able to beat good QB driven teams. Not the Ravens being unable to do so, but Flacco being unable to carry the team! Seriously, its not that hard to understand, unless for a Ravens homer. Duh!

Did you watch the rest? He clearly makes fun of this point by saying its a team game, hence correcting Skip's idiotic point that he keeps bringing up whenever he criticizes Joe. If you watched the whole video, he also says it was the whole team that lost the steelers in the playoffs, not just Joe flacco.

 

[QuarterBack]

^^^ Forget about 20. Better QBs than Flacco today:

Brady
P Manning
Rodgers
Brees
Fitzy
Vick
Stafford
Rapist
Shaub
Hasselback
Rivers
Eli
Cutler
Romo
Ryan
Bradford

not necessarily in the same order. Ravens are a better team than today with any one of these QBs rather than Flacco.

 

[QuarterBack]

Did you watch the rest? He clearly makes fun of this point by saying its a team game, hence correcting Skip's idiotic point that he keeps bringing up whenever he criticizes Joe.

Saf, its not an idiotic point. In the NFL of today, you need a QB who can carry the team. Skip's point was simple: "If the D is bad or even not as good, Flacco cannot carry the team going shoulder to shoulder against a good QB" I think even you will agree to that. Look at the QBs who won the superbowl the last few years:

2010: Rodgers
2009: Brees
2008: Rapist
2007: Eli
2006: Payton
2005: Rapist
2004: Brady
2003: Brady

This is the point here. Suggs is merely trying to cover up, claiming that Flacco can do the same. Its a team game, no one denies it. But the QB is simply THE most important position on the team in today's NFL.

 

[Gotham Cronie]

Name me 20 qbs better than joe.

I second this.

 

[Gotham Cronie]

^^^ Forget about 20. Better QBs than Flacco today:

Brady
P Manning
Rodgers
Brees
Fitzy
Vick
Stafford
Rapist
Shaub
Hasselback
Rivers
Eli
Cutler
Romo
Ryan
Bradford

not necessarily in the same order. Ravens are a better team than today with any one of these QBs rather than Flacco.

Bradford?

In his last 6 games:

4 TDs
8 Interceptions

 

[QuarterBack]

Bradford?

In his last 6 games:

4 TDs
8 Interceptions

As a pure QB, IMO, yes. He is having to force the ball a LOT this year with no receivers and with Sims Walker dropping everything thrown his way.

So I take it that you accept that there are 14 better QBs than Flacco...

 

[SAF]

^^^ Forget about 20. Better QBs than Flacco today:

Fitzy
Stafford
Shaub
Hasselback
Cutler
Ryan
Bradford

not necessarily in the same order. Ravens are a better team than today with any one of these QBs rather than Flacco.

Other than Manning, Rodgers, Vick, Rivers, Brady, Brees, Romo, and big ben, and Eli (maybe) how exactly are the rest ''better than'' Flacco? I consider many of them to be on his level tbh and lol at Ryan, Bradford, Stafford and Shaub in there ) Hey, why not include Sanchez and Kyle Boller in that list as well..

btw, I asked for 20

 

[Gotham Cronie]

As a pure QB, IMO, yes. He is having to force the ball a LOT this year with no receivers and with Sims Walker dropping everything thrown his way.

So I take it that you accept that there are 14 better QBs than Flacco...

I don't know about Fitzpatrick and Hasselback being better than Flacco.

So I'll take 13 qbs from your list before Flacco.

 

[SAF]

^thats reasonable.

My list:

1. Rodgers
2. Manning
3. Brady
4. Rivers
5. Vick
6. Brees
7. Big Ben
8. Romo

9. Newton (has potential to be great)
10. Palmer (maybe)
10. Eli (maybe)
10. Flacco

11. Ryan
and the rest..

 

[QuarterBack]

Other than Manning, Rodgers, Vick, Rivers, Brady, Brees, Romo, and big ben, and Eli (maybe) how exactly are the rest ''better than'' Flacco? I consider many of them to be on his level tbh and lol at Ryan, Bradford, Stafford and Shaub in there ) Hey, why not include Sanchez and Kyle Boller in that list as well..

btw, I asked for 20

20, 30, doesn matter. Flacco is a average QB in this league, at best. /Story

I don't know about Fitzpatrick and Hasselback being better than Flacco.

So I'll take 13 qbs from your list before Flacco.

Fitzy is doing what he is with mostly undrafted free agents on O and a below average O-line. Not to mention that his D cannot stop a nose bleed and he is winning the Bills football games, because of his play. Im sorry but if thats not better than a QB who needs his D to win games for him, I dont know what is. Hasselback is a subjective call.

^thats reasonable.

My list:

1. Rodgers
2. Manning
3. Brady
4. Rivers
5. Vick
6. Brees
7. Big Ben
8. Romo

9. Newton (has potential to be great)
10. Palmer (maybe)
10. Eli (maybe)
10. Flacco

11. Ryan
and the rest..

Ryan below Flacco?! See, thats how you spot a Ravens homer!
Why not put Flacco above Brady and Manning while at it!!! )

Stafford - If you seriously think Flacco is a better QB than Stafford, might as well crown the Ravens the SB champs for the next 10 years! :kami

Cutler - Terrible Terrible O line, but he has carried his team in the past, unlike ahem ahem Flacco

Shaub - I really think most objective fans will classify Shaub as a better QB than Flacco, IMO.

 

[SAF]

20, 30, doesn matter. Flacco is a average QB in this league, at best. /Story



Fitzy is doing what he is with mostly undrafted free agents and a below average O-line. If thats not better, I dont know what is. Hasselback is a subjective call.



Ryan below Flacco?! See, thats how you spot a Ravens homer!
Why not put Flacco above Brady and Manning while at it!!! )

Stafford - If you seriously think Flacco is a better QB than Stafford, might as well crown the Ravens the SB champs for the next 10 years! :kami

Cutler - Terrible Terrible O line, but he has carried his team in the past, unlike ahem ahem Flacco

Shaub - I really think most objective fans will classify Shaub as a better QB than Flacco.

Care to explain me why Ryan, Shaub and Stafford and even Cutler are better QBs than Flacco, please?

 

[SAF]

Btw, just so I put it out there, Ryan and Flacco have identical stats. But Flacco has 4 road playoff wins while Ryan has no playoff wins at all.

 

[QuarterBack]

Care to explain me why Ryan, Shaub and Stafford are better QBs than Flacco, please

For one, Ryan, Stafford and Schaub all have better career QB ratings than Flacco. Im pretty sure we both watch a fair amount of NFL shows. Majority of the experts/analysts also put Ryan and Stafford (part of MVP conversation this year!) ahead. Schaub, I cant say the same as far as the experts are concerned. But he passes muster better than Flacco wrt the eyeball test.

Ryan and Schaub also work with below average to bad Ds and yet lead their team to victory, on their shoulder.
Stafford has shown that when not hurt, he can put the Lions on his back too.

Im sorry, but Flacco has simply not shown that, in all of his 3 years in the league.

Btw, just so I put it out there, Ryan and Flacco have identical stats. But Flacco has 4 road playoff wins while Ryan has no playoff wins at all.

Ravens won because of Ray and their D SAF. Apart from @Chiefs, did Flacco even play at an average level in the other 3 games?!

 

[Gotham Cronie]

Fitzy is doing what he is with mostly undrafted free agents on O and a below average O-line. Not to mention that his D cannot stop a nose bleed and he is winning the Bills football games, because of his play. Im sorry but if thats not better than a QB who needs his D to win games for him, I dont know what is. Hasselback is a subjective call.

That D that can't stop a nose bleed leads the league with 12 interceptions. (Including 8 in 2 games against Tom Brady and Michael Vick)

They may be ranked low but they also had 4 straight games with a TD.

Winning football games because of his play?

I guess Fred Jackson who is 2nd in the league in rushing (9 yards behind 1st place) has had no impact.

 

[QuarterBack]

That D that can't stop a nose bleed leads the league with 12 interceptions. (Including 8 in 2 games against Tom Brady and Michael Vick)

They may be ranked low but they also had 4 straight games with a TD.

They are ball hawks, but they give up a ton of yards and points, thereby forcing the O to score more. Quite simple really.

Winning football games because of his play?

I guess Fred Jackson who is 2nd in the league in rushing (9 yards behind 1st place) has had no impact.

Err, i said because of his play, not SOLELY because of his play. Watch their comebacks against the Raiders and Pats. And, IMO Fitzy is more responsible for the Bills success this year, more than Jackson.

 

[SAF]

For one, Ryan, Stafford and Schaub all have better career QB ratings than Flacco. Im pretty sure we both watch a fair amount of NFL shows. Majority of the experts/analysts also put Ryan and Stafford (part of MVP conversation this year!) ahead. Schaub, I cant say the same as far as the experts are concerned. But he passes muster better than Flacco wrt the eyeball test.

1. No, Ryan doesnt have a better QB rating than flacco. As I said their numbers are identical. Ryan has 86, flacco has 87. Shuab does have a better rating because he has the best reciever in the nfl to throw to.

2. Ofcourse the analysts like to talk about Matty ''Ice''. He is the media darling, sells magazines, jerseys and gives them good ratings. But that doenst mean he is ''better than'' Flacco.

3. Flacco has way less weapons on offence to throw to, while Shaub's and Ryan's teams are filled with great offensive players. (btw, imo Forster and Turner were better than Rice last year)

Ryan and Schaub also work with below average to bad Ds and yet lead their team to victory, on their shoulder.

lol what a dramatic post...'on their shoulder''. haha.
Get your facts straight. Falcons were a top 5 D last year and Huston's D is doing pretty good so far this season (too bad their key players got injured 2 weeks ago.)

And if Ryan can lead their teams to victory, on his shoulders (lol) then how come matty 'ice' hasnt won a single playoff game yet? Same goes for Matt Shaub, who I think is highly overrated btw. Tell me when he leads his team to the playoffs first, on his shoulder...

Stafford has shown that when not hurt, he can put the Lions on his back too.

Who have the lions played so far..umm lets see.
Tampa Bay Bucs (4-2) 22nd ranked D
Kansas City (2-3) 28th ranked D
Minnosota Vikings (1-5) 22nd ranked D
Dallas Cowboys (2-3) 11th ranked D
Chicago Bears (3-3) 17th ranked D

Now lets see who the Joe Flacoo had to play against so far this season..

Pittsburgh-5th ranked D (will get even better as the season goes) and 1st ranked D in yds/game
Tennessee-3rd ranked D
New York-top 5 D (once they get their act together)
Texans--14th ranked
Rams...well they just suck

Not to mention, Flacco has to play the Steelers and Bengals twice in the season, both are top 5 D in yds/game (and top 5 and top 7 in pts/ game)

Matt Rayan is lucky to be in such an easy conference (d wise)

Im sorry, but Flacco has simply not shown that, in all of his 3 years in the league.

Well thats because you havent been watching many of his games lately. Just last week, he carried the offence against Texans. For the majority of the game, Ravens had no run game and the OL was awful at pass protection, and Flacco still made big throws that sealed the win at the end. I am guessing you also didnt watch the game against Steelers this season (forget the d for one second, and focus on the O).

There were plently of times last year where the D struggled in 4th Qtr (fact, Ravens D was one of the worst in 4th Qtr) and Flacco carried the O and won games for us. You just never heard of it because A. you didnt watch the games, or B. many sports channels have a habbit of focusing on the big name QBs (brady, vick etc..)

Ravens won because of Ray and their D SAF. Apart from @Chiefs, did Flacco even play at an average level in the other 3 games?!

lol, here we go again with the D helping us...
At Miami--we won 27-3
It was his first playoff game (rookie season), that too on the road. He threw for 135 yards without interception and scored the rushing touchdown in 4th quarter that SEALED the win.

At Tennessee- tough game, we won 13-10
Flacoo made victory-SEALING throws to Todd Heap and Mark Clayton in the 4th quarter that sat up a winning field goal from Matt Stover in the last minutes. He threw for 150 yrds (and a td) and no turnovers.

At Pittsburgh--hard fought game, Ravens lost in the last seconds because of Big Ben's clutch throw.
This was his first worst game

At New England
Ravens won but Flacco was injured in that game and Rice and the D played a big part in the win.

Lost to Colts at Indianapplis
Manning has the Ravens' number no matter who the QB is. Fact.

Lost to Steelers at Pittsburgh
Flacco was decent in this game. Ravens were up 21-7 at half. And the turnovers in 2nd half were beacause the fumbles by Rice and Birk. He threw an intception but the D didnt give up a td for it.

The play that sealed the game was made by Troy P. Great players make great plays and Troy P was unbelievable in that game.

We're talking all ROAD playoff games here. You gotta give credit where its due.

 

[QuarterBack]

1. No, Ryan doesnt have a better QB rating than flacco. As I said their numbers are identical. Ryan has 86, flacco has 87. Shuab does have a better rating because he has the best reciever in the nfl to throw to.

2. Ofcourse the analysts like to talk about Matty ''Ice''. He is the media darling, sells magazines, jerseys and gives them good ratings. But that doenst mean he is ''better than'' Flacco.

3. Flacco has way less weapons on offence to throw to, while Shaub's and Ryan's teams are filled with great offensive players. (btw, imo Forster and Turner were better than Rice last year)

I didnt realize Calvin Johnson was playing for Texans. He, is the best receiver in the league, not Andre Johnson. Thats up for debate anyway.

Flacco had Mason and Heap to throw the ball to, last year. And yes, his running game and O line are good enough to carry the O enough to not put pressure on Flacco.

lol what a dramatic post...'on their shoulder''. haha.
Get your facts straight. Falcons were a top 5 D last year and Huston's D is doing pretty good so far this season (too bad their key players got injured 2 weeks ago.)

Falcons D was bad last year. It helped that their schedule allowed that D to pad its stats, but the last few weeks and the playoff game exposed how BAD it was. They gave up a lead in the final minutes to the 49ers (God awful last year) and Ryan had to drive them to win the game and he did.

And if Ryan can lead their teams to victory, on his shoulders (lol) then how come matty 'ice' hasnt won a single playoff game yet? Same goes for Matt Shaub, who I think is highly overrated btw. Tell me when he leads his team to the playoffs first, on his shoulder...

Simple, just because he can, doesn mean he will. Ryan has played all of 2 playoff games, one of them against a red hot Packers team. And he does not have the same D to bail him out, unlike Flacco.

Who have the lions played so far..umm lets see.
Tampa Bay Bucs (4-2) 22nd ranked D
Kansas City (2-3) 28th ranked D
Minnosota Vikings (1-5) 22nd ranked D
Dallas Cowboys (2-3) 11th ranked D
Chicago Bears (3-3) 17th ranked D

What you missed there is the fact that the Lions run game has been horrible, except for the Chicago game and the fact that he led them on two huge comebacks, back to back! You gotta watch the games too, SAF. Stats only tell you so much.

Now lets see who the Joe Flacoo had to play against so far this season..

Pittsburgh-5th ranked D (will get even better as the season goes) and 1st ranked D in yds/game
Tennessee-3rd ranked D
New York-top 5 D (once they get their act together)
Texans--14th ranked
Rams...well they just suck

Not to mention, Flacco has to play the Steelers and Bengals twice in the season, both are top 5 D in yds/game (and top 5 and top 7 in pts/ game)

Again, you are getting caught up in the numbers too much. Im not saying that Flacco is terrible. He is good for the Ravens and vice versa. A good manager, better one than Dilfer.

Matt Rayan is lucky to be in such an easy conference (d wise)

That is true. But he is unlucky to not have a D that bails him out.

Well thats because you havent been watching many of his games lately. Just last week, he carried the offence against Texans. For the majority of the game, Ravens had no run game and the OL was awful at pass protection, and Flacco still made big throws that sealed the win at the end. I am guessing you also didnt watch the game against Steelers this season (forget the d for one second, and focus on the O).

There were plently of times last year where the D struggled in 4th Qtr (fact, Ravens D was one of the worst in 4th Qtr) and Flacco carried the O and won games for us. You just never heard of it because A. you didnt watch the games, or B. many sports channels have a habbit of focusing on the big name QBs (brady, vick etc..)

Oh believe me, I watched the Steelers-Ravens game. Who didnt?! It was week 1 and a great rivalry!!! Im pretty sure that the thing that struck me was not "Wow, Flacco is so good!" but "Man the Ravens D is awesome! And the Rapist driven O is just God awful"

lol, here we go again with the D helping us...
At Miami--we won 27-3
It was his first playoff game (rookie season), that too on the road. He threw for 135 yards without interception and scored the rushing touchdown in 4th quarter that SEALED the win.

How many points did the Ravens D allow Dolphins to score?! 3? You mean 1-2- 3 ? /Story

At Tennessee- tough game, we won 13-10
Flacoo made victory-SEALING throws to Todd Heap and Mark Clayton in the 4th quarter that sat up a winning field goal from Matt Stover in the last minutes. He threw for 150 yrds (and a td) and no turnovers.

Thanks for furthering my case again. This game was the perfect definition of "game manager". He did well,. "Complimentary football" as BB calls it.

At Pittsburgh--hard fought game, Ravens lost in the last seconds because of Big Ben's clutch throw.
This was his first worst game

At New England
Ravens won but Flacco was injured in that game and Rice and the D played a big part in the win.

Lost to Colts at Indianapplis
Manning has the Ravens' number no matter who the QB is. Fact.

All true.

Lost to Steelers at Pittsburgh
Flacco was decent in this game. Ravens were up 21-7 at half. And the turnovers in 2nd half were beacause the fumbles by Rice and Birk. He threw an intception but the D didnt give up a td for it.

The play that sealed the game was made by Troy P. Great players make great plays and Troy P was unbelievable in that game.

That was my point SAF. When the D wets the bed, like it did in the second half of that game, can Flacco win it with his arm?! He simply hasnt done that yet. Does that mean he wont do it at all? No, but your past record is there for a reason.

We're talking all ROAD playoff games here. You gotta give credit where its due.

Again, you are under some mis conception that I think Flacco is a horrible QB. I dont. Ravens mentality is to have a game manager at QB who does not make mistakes and let the D run wild. And that worls fine for them. Flacco is a good QB, no doubt. But middle of the pack, compared to other QBs in the league. Thats all Im saying.