The NFL Thread

[Inswinger]

Name me 20 qbs better than joe.

NFC East
-Eli
-Vick
-Romo

NFC South
-Brees
-Ryan
-Newton
-Freeman

NFC North
-Rodgers
-Stafford
-Cutler

NFC West
-Bradford

AFC East
-Brady
-Fitzpatrick

AFC South
-Manning
-Schaub
- Hasselback

AFC North
-Ben

AFC West
-Rivers
-Palmer
-Cassel


That's 20 right there who would make the Ravens a better team.

Jury is still out on a few who are starting their careers this year. The likes of Ponder, Locker, Gabbert

 

[Inswinger]

^thats reasonable.

My list:

1. Rodgers
2. Manning
3. Brady
4. Rivers
5. Vick
6. Brees
7. Big Ben
8. Romo

9. Newton (has potential to be great)
10. Palmer (maybe)
10. Eli (maybe)
10. Flacco

11. Ryan
and the rest..

It's one thing to be a fan but another to be a blind homer. Eli is maybe better than Joe? Are you kidding me?

I seriously have to question your knowledge of the NFL now.

 

[SAF]

It's one thing to be a fan but another to be a blind homer. Eli is maybe better than Joe? Are you kidding me?

I seriously have to question your knowledge of the NFL now.

Eli- overrated

No, you are a blind fan, not me.

Eli is good but he cant be compared to the elites, just like Flacco.

 

[SAF]

didnt realize Calvin Johnson was playing for Texans. He, is the best receiver in the league, not Andre Johnson. Thats up for debate anyway.

the only reason the dude is so popular right now is because of his nickname. He is a great player but Andre Johnson is obviously the best reciever.

Flacco had Mason and Heap to throw the ball to, last year. And yes, his running game and O line are good enough to carry the O enough to not put pressure on Flacco.

One who was 38 last year, another who is a injury prone. Both way past his prime. Seriously?

Falcons D was bad last year. It helped that their schedule allowed that D to pad its stats, but the last few weeks and the playoff game exposed how BAD it was. They gave up a lead in the final minutes to the 49ers (God awful last year) and Ryan had to drive them to win the game and he did.

Why are you only bringing up a just 1 or two games. Every team has its bad days..

Simple, just because he can, doesn mean he will. Ryan has played all of 2 playoff games, one of them against a red hot Packers team. And he does not have the same D to bail him out, unlike Flacco.

Even if he did have a D like Ravens, I wouldnt expect him to lead them to SB anyways.

What you missed there is the fact that the Lions run game has been horrible, except for the Chicago game and the fact that he led them on two huge comebacks, back to back! You gotta watch the games too, SAF. Stats only tell you so much.

True, I am just saying it isnt fair to compare Flacco's perfomance to someone like Bradford because Flacco has had to play much tougher teams than Lions and Falcons so far in this season (and the playoffs in the past)

Again, you are getting caught up in the numbers too much. Im not saying that Flacco is terrible. He is good for the Ravens and vice versa. A good manager, better one than Dilfer.

lol everyones better than Dilfer.
and stats dont lie.

Oh believe me, I watched the Steelers-Ravens game. Who didnt?! It was week 1 and a great rivalry!!! Im pretty sure that the thing that struck me was not "Wow, Flacco is so good!" but "Man the Ravens D is awesome! And the Rapist driven O is just God awful"

You ignored Flacco's performance. As expected...

How many points did the Ravens D allow Dolphins to score?! 3? You mean 1-2- 3 ? /Story

Again, ignoring the Ravens' O and focusing on the D..

That was my point SAF. When the D wets the bed, like it did in the second half of that game, can Flacco win it with his arm?! He simply hasnt done that yet. Does that mean he wont do it at all? No, but your past record is there for a reason.

We lost the lead because of the offensive turnovers. (two fumbles by Rice and Birk--huge)
Flacco actually had a chance to win the game, but as I said, Troy P made an unbelievable play.

Again, you are under some mis conception that I think Flacco is a horrible QB. I dont. Ravens mentality is to have a game manager at QB who does not make mistakes and let the D run wild. And that worls fine for them. Flacco is a good QB, no doubt. But middle of the pack, compared to other QBs in the league. Thats all Im saying.

Im not saying he's Brady either. But to say that someone like Ryan and Stafford are better than him is just a joke, especially Ryan since they both have identical stats.

 

[SAF]

NFC East

-Vick
-Romo

NFC South
-Brees
-Newton

NFC North
-Rodgers

-Cutler

AFC East
-Brady

AFC South
-Manning

AFC North
-Ben

AFC West
-Rivers




That's 20 right there who would make the Ravens a better team.

Jury is still out on a few who are starting their careers this year. The likes of Ponder, Locker, Gabbert

I'll give you those^^^^

The ones I took out:

-Eli--debatable. I dont rate Eli that high, as in, I dont consider him as one of the elites. Just my opinion.
-Hasselback--are you kidding? Just last year flacco threw for almost 1000 more yards and had a better rating.
-Palmer--Past his prime. Right now--he isnt better than flacco..He is just in Flacco's league.
-Cassel-- another overrated and overpaid QB. Had one good season in New England and has been avg/below avg ever since.
-Ryan- Not better than Flacco. just like the ones above--in Flacco's league
-Stafford-has a had a good start to this season, but how is he better?
-Freeman-again, how is he better than Flacco? Im confused.
-Fitzpatrick- lol what?
-Sam bradford-lmao, this is just hilarious now.

 

[QuarterBack]

the only reason the dude is so popular right now is because of his nickname. He is a great player but Andre Johnson is obviously the best reciever.

Like i said, up for debate. There is no wrong answer to that question though.

One who was 38 last year, another who is a injury prone. Both way past his prime. Seriously?

The two players who accounted for 13 out of Flacco's 25 TDs last year. In other words, the players who accounted for over half of Flacco's TDs.

Why are you only bringing up a just 1 or two games. Every team has its bad days..

I thought we were talking about a QB having to overcome his team's deficiencies to win the game? It was just an example of Ryan doing that, thats all.

Even if he did have a D like Ravens, I wouldnt expect him to lead them to SB anyways.

I dunno about that Saf. We disagree about this obviously, but take it from an opposing fan. I would fear the Ravens more if they had Ryan than now with Flacco. Thats an easier way of stating why i think Ryan's better.

True, I am just saying it isnt fair to compare Flacco's perfomance to someone like Bradford because Flacco has had to play much tougher teams than Lions and Falcons so far in this season (and the playoffs in the past)

Numbers wise, Flacco is killing Bradford, no question. I just think Bradford is a better QB though 1-1 with Flacco. Again, IMO Raves with Bradford - huge improvement over Ravens with Flacco.

You ignored Flacco's performance. As expected...

Again, ignoring the Ravens' O and focusing on the D..

Its not about ignoring the O Saf. The O was not required to perform well to win the game in either case. In other words, the D was so good that the O was not under any pressure. Again, the point is not "Flacco is bad", its simply "Flacco cannot take over a game". Both these games are examples of when he did not have to, he just had to not screw up and he did that a.k.a game manager!

D didnt wet the bed. The O did--(two fumbles by Rice and Birk.)
Flacco actually had a chance to win the game, but as I said, Troy P made an unbelievable play.

True about Troy. But the D did wet the bet, esp with that long bomb on 3rd and long. For a team that prides itself on being one of the best Ds in the game, that was embarrassing.

Im not saying he's Brady either. But to say that someone like Ryan, Schaub, and Stafford are better than him is just a joke, especially Ryan since they both have identical stats.

Seriously, Stafford is def a better QB. Any of these QBs on the Raves = Ravens a batter team. Thats my point.

 

[SAF]

If its going to come down to opinion (sadly) and not stats , then I am fine with that.

I just cant wait for the day Flacco lifts that trophy in february.

 

[QuarterBack]

If its going to come down to opinion and not stats (sadly), then I am fine with that.

I dont know about that!

QBs sorted by QB rating (you know stats) for 2011:

http://www.nfl.com/stats/categoryst...=QUARTERBACK&d-447263-s=PASSING_PASSER_RATING

Where is Flacco?! 23rd

QBs sorted according to completion % for 2011:

http://www.nfl.com/stats/categoryst...&archive=false&conference=null&qualified=true

Where is Flacco?! 31st LMFAO )

Another stat for you - He has thrown as many TDs in 2011 as, wait for it... Cam Newton!!!

Since numbers only tell half the story, the eyeball test. I dont think there are 30 or even 22 QBs better than him. Thats my opinion. If it were based on just stats, that would mean Tavaris Jackson makes Ravens a better team than Flacco!

I just cant wait for the day Flacco lifts that trophy in february.

Err, its time to wake up.

 

[SAF]

I dont know about that!

QBs sorted by QB rating (you know stats) for 2011:

http://www.nfl.com/stats/categoryst...=QUARTERBACK&d-447263-s=PASSING_PASSER_RATING


QBs sorted according to completion % for 2011:

http://www.nfl.com/stats/categoryst...&archive=false&conference=null&qualified=true

Where is Flacco?! 31st LMFAO )

Another stat for you - He has thrown as many TDs in 2011 as, wait for it... Cam Newton!!!

Since numbers only tell half the story, the eyeball test. I dont think there are 30 or even 22 QBs better than him. Thats my opinion. If it were based on just stats, that would mean Tavaris Jackson makes Ravens a better team than Flacco!

Why this season?? We have only played 5/6 games.

2010: Flacco was 7th best.

Come again

 

[SAF]

Just to add to that, Ravens have gone under a massive offense overhaul this season.

Completely different O line, new running backs, new full back, new wide recivers (our 2nd best receiver probably wont play until December, and our current #2 is a rookie, our current #3 and 4 are also rookies, brand new rookie TEs as well in Dennis Pitta and Dickson.


Flacco's major weapons from last year are all gone (heap, mason, magahee, mclain)

 

[SAF]

Bottom line, no current QB (excluding the elites) has had more success in their first 4 years than Flacco- fact. Stats dont lie.

Sadly for Flacco, he doesnt have the pretty boy looks, isnt flashy enough, doesnt have a cool enough nickname like ''Matty Ice'', and plays in a less popular market==hence he doesnt get enough coverage in the media===people like you tend to go for the highlights..

 

[QuarterBack]

Why this season?? We have only played 5/6 games.

2010: Flacco was 7th best.

Come again

Err, I thought we were discussing about this year, not last years. FYI, the 2010 season is over.

What Flacco is today, how good/bad the Ravens are this year is the point of conversation.

And acc to stats, Flacco is the 23rd rated QB in this league. Ergo, Ravens would be a better team with 22 other QBs in 2011, not 2010 or 2000.

 

[QuarterBack]

Bottom line, no current QB (excluding the elites) has had more success in their first 4 years than Flacco- fact. Stats dont lie.

Really?

Forget about elite QBs: Mark Sanchez has been more "successful" in his first 2 years than Flacco. 2 trips to the AFC Championship game! Flacco had just one in his two years!
Its about how you define something like "success". Facts --> Sanchez has had two better years (team result wise) than Flacco. Disagree?!

Sadly for Flacco, he doesnt have the pretty boy looks, isnt flashy enough, doesnt have a cool enough nickname like ''Matty Ice'', and plays in a less popular market==hence he doesnt get enough coverage in the media===people like you tend to go for the highlights..

Im sorry Saf, but your point has been proven wrong acc to
a). Stats (23/32 in the league)
b). Championships (0 SB appearances, 1 AFCC game appearance)
c). Eyeball test (stated above)

Im not sure why you are even bringing in sad little excuses like looks or market! I have one name for you, Payton Manning. Ugly as hell, small crappy market! Does he not get his due?! And to a smaller extent, Rapist. Its about on field performance and results Saf, not any of the excuses you have stated above.

 

[SAF]

Err, I thought we were discussing about this year, not last years. FYI, the 2010 season is over.

What Flacco is today, how good/bad the Ravens are this year is the point of conversation.

And acc to stats, Flacco is the 23rd rated QB in this league. Ergo, Ravens would be a better team with 22 other QBs in 2011, not 2010 or 2000.

you cant just judge someone from 5 games. I thought we were talking about whose the better qb and obviously last year's stats will give more accurate results. If you were so keen on this season then why did you bring up Ryan's and Schaub's performance from last year (remember "on his shoulders..").

But as I bring up that Flacco was the 7th best qb last year rating wise,..then "oh, you cant talk about last year" lol!

 

[QuarterBack]

you cant just judge someone from 5 games. I thought we were talking about whose the better qb and obviously last year's stats will give more accurate results. If you were so keen on this season then why did you bring up Ryan's and Schaub's performance from last year (remember "on his shoulders..").

But as I bring up that Flacco was the 7th best qb last year rating wise,..then "oh, you cant talk about last year" lol!

You are going around in circles now.
Schaub, Ryan and Stafford's specific performances last year were illustrated to make a point: That Flacco has not done that EVER in all of his 4 years in the league, that they have done at some point in their career.

You know thats true. Then you came back saying that Im not looking at the stats. Well, I did Saf. And they point out that Flacco is the 23rd rated QB in the league this year. *Shrugs*

PS: Yes, Flacco a had good QB rating last year. Does that mean he was the 7th best QB last year?! If so, you also need to admit that there are 22 QBs better than him this year! (which you didnt). The answer is somewhere in between. Again, stats paint only half the picture. That is what Ive been trying to say, before you came with a lame "opinions, not stats"

 

[Inswinger]

No point going in circles with a homer.

 

[SAF]

Forget about elite QBs: Mark Sanchez has been more "successful" in his first 2 years than Flacco. 2 trips to the AFC Championship game! Flacco had just one in his two years!
Its about how you define something like "success". Facts --> Sanchez has had two better years (team result wise) than Flacco. Disagree?!

you obviously didn't see then word 'stats'

Im not sure why you are even bringing in sad little excuses like looks or market! I have one name for you, Payton Manning. Ugly as hell, small crappy market! Does he not get his due?! And to a smaller extent, Rapist. Its about on field performance and results Saf, not any of the excuses you have stated above.

He was still seen as one step below Brady. Had to beat Brady and win the SB to get the full credit.

 

[SAF]

You are going around in circles now.
Schaub, Ryan and Stafford's specific performances last year were illustrated to make a point: That Flacco has not done that EVER in all of his 4 years in the league, that they have done at some point in their career.

You know thats true. Then you came back saying that Im not looking at the stats. Well, I did Saf. And they point out that Flacco is the 23rd rated QB in the league this year. *Shrugs*

PS: Yes, Flacco a had good QB rating last year. Does that mean he was the 7th best QB last year?! If so, you also need to admit that there are 22 QBs better than him this year! (which you didnt). The answer is somewhere in between. Again, stats paint only half the picture. That is what Ive been trying to say, before you came with a lame "opinions, not stats"

All I am saying is that I cant judge someone off of just 5 games. I have been using past year(s) as an example to show how flacco is better than or equal to most of the QB inswinger mentioned..
Wait, so you can use past year to make a point, but I cant?
If you only had to use this season than why is Palmer (and many others) on Inswinger's list? The dude hasnt even played a single game yet.

As far as Flacco struggling this year, read post 1050 (just one of the main reasons)

Read your post 1046, its full of opinions without any facts. This is why I said what I said about 'stats and opinions

 

[SAF]

No point going in circles with a homer.

If you got nothing better to say, then why bother?

 

[QuarterBack]

you obviously didn't see then word 'stats'


He was still seen as one step below Brady. Had to beat Brady and win the SB to get the full credit.

C'mon now, you and I know its not true. Well before Manning won his first SB in 2006, and even now when Brady has 2 more rings than Manning, there are PLENTY who say Manning is a better QB. Its not that Manning had to win so that ppl would see the talent in him, he had to win to validate it, big difference.

All I am saying is that I cant judge someone off of just 5 games. I have been using past year(s) as an example to show how flacco is better than or equal to most of the QB inswinger mentioned..
Wait, so you can use past year to make a point, but I cant?
If you only had to use this season than why is Palmer (and many others) on Inswinger's list? The dude hasnt even played a single game yet.

I never said you cant Saf. All Im saying is that, if you put that much emphasis on stats and accept Flacco as the 7th best QB in 2010, you should be willing to admit that there 22 QBs better than him in 2011.

As far as Flacco struggling this year, read post 1050 (just one of the main reasons)

So you accept that he is not a top 20 QB in the league this year and that the Ravens will be a better team in 2011 with the others in front of him because of these "main reasons"! See, that was simple.

Read your post 1046, its full of opinions without any facts. This is why I said what I said about 'stats and opinions

Lol, so it is opinion, not fact that Mason and Heap combined for more than half of Flacco's TDs last year?
And is it not a fact that I am an opposing fan, not a Ravens homer like you?!
The comparisons bet Flacco and Bradford/Ryan were my opinions, yeah. Again, since you put this much into facts/stats, are you willing to admit that there are 22 better QBs in the league than Flacco who can help the Ravens more than him?!

 

[SAF]

Flacco had one of the worst QB rating last year after the 4th game..but how did that turn out to be at the end of the season? (7th best)

I have said it before, 5 games just isnt enough.

And how many of these ''analysts'' rated Manning over Brady before 2006==not many. They called him a choker and all sorts of things. As i said before, he had to go over the pats to win the SB to shut up his haters. Just like Flacco has to go over the Steelers.

 

[QuarterBack]

I dunno which NFL you were watching, but until 2007 and Brady's monster season, more if not most of the analysts picked Manning over Brady!

Im sure once the Ravens beat the Rapist, but lose to someone else, the cry will be "We just need to get past xxx".

Fact remains, outside of Ravens homer nation, Flacco will be perceived as a game manager until he proves otherwise. *Shrugs*

 

[Inswinger]

I don't understand what you're trying to say. You keep changing your criteria for rating the players, always going for the categories in which Flacco will be near the top.

Flacco is a game manager, just like Mark Sanchez. It's the defense and the running game that has made them a success.

 

[QuarterBack]

Very hard for a Pats fan to say this, but I have to agree with a Giants fan!

 

[SAF]

I don't understand what you're trying to say. You keep changing your criteria for rating the players, always going for the categories in which Flacco will be near the top.

Flacco is a game manager, just like Mark Sanchez. It's the defense and the running game that has made them a success.

Im not changing anything. All I said was 5 games isnt enough to judge one player because last year Flacco had a terrible rating after 4 games and he ended up with the 7th best. I didnt even bring this up, QB did with his QB ratings from this season. And then I said if we really had to judge the QB's this season, than why is Palmer on YOUR list??

nvm. I am done with this topic. Lets move on

 

[SAF]

any of you have madden 12 for ps3??

 

[QuarterBack]

any of you have madden 12 for ps3??

I wasted $12 on Madden for the iPad. Sucks donkey balls! Anyone who makes a tackle ALWAYS falls down like he is drunk!

 

[QuarterBack]

So what did we find out yesterday?

1. Sporano will be out of a job before the end of a season
2. Caldwell will be out of a job before the end of a season
3. Suh is fast becoming the dirtiest player in the NFL
4. Packers are a mirror image of the 2007 Pats, but with a slightly worse defense. They are awesome!
5. Rivers is not an elite QB this year
6. Manning might just win the MVP award without having played a snap the entire year
7. We have some very impressive rookie QBs in the league this year.
8. Raiders are going to rue the day they let the ghost of Al Davis pull off the trade for Palmer!

 

[Inswinger]

So what did we find out yesterday?

1. Sporano will be out of a job before the end of a season
2. Caldwell will be out of a job before the end of a season
3. Suh is fast becoming the dirtiest player in the NFL
4. Packers are a mirror image of the 2007 Pats, but with a slightly worse defense. They are awesome!
5. Rivers is not an elite QB this year
6. Manning might just win the MVP award without having played a snap the entire year
7. We have some very impressive rookie QBs in the league this year.
8. Raiders are going to rue the day they let the ghost of Al Davis pull off the trade for Palmer!

1. Won't be fired before the end of the season. Phins are in full "Suck For Luck" mode.
2. Won't be fired
3. Agree
4. Agree. A team with a great pass rush can beat them.
5. Agree. He doesn't have a great football IQ.
6. Agree.
7. Yeah. Newton, Dalton, and even Ponder have shown good talent.
8. Can't make this call yet. He might have a few good years left.
9. Stafford will never play a full 16 game schedule.

 

[SAF]

So what did we find out yesterday?

1. Sporano will be out of a job before the end of a season
2. Caldwell will be out of a job before the end of a season
3. Suh is fast becoming the dirtiest player in the NFL
4. Packers are a mirror image of the 2007 Pats, but with a slightly worse defense. They are awesome!
5. Rivers is not an elite QB this year
6. Manning might just win the MVP award without having played a snap the entire year
7. We have some very impressive rookie QBs in the league this year.
8. Raiders are going to rue the day they let the ghost of Al Davis pull off the trade for Palmer!

1. likely
2. probably not.
3. why?
4. No, that Pats team was much better. Packers are still beatable


you forgot about the comeback of the season. Tebowww!!

still not sold on him but he continues to find ways to win.. whatta finish that was! Matt Moore completely screwed up.

 

[SAF]

1. Won't be fired before the end of the season. Phins are in full "Suck For Luck" mode.
2. Won't be fired
3. Agree
4. Agree. A team with a great pass rush can beat them.
5. Agree. He doesn't have a great football IQ.
6. Agree.
7. Yeah. Newton, Dalton, and even Ponder have shown good talent.
8. Can't make this call yet. He might have a few good years left.
9. Stafford will never play a full 16 game schedule.

He's done. Had two good seasons and then the injury messed him up. What a waste of two first round picks. Raiders have no picks in the upcoming draft I think..

 

[QuarterBack]

1. Won't be fired before the end of the season. Phins are in full "Suck For Luck" mode.
2. Won't be fired

Fins and Colts are in intense battle for Luck. Personally, I hope he comes to the Fins. Will make the Division more interesting. Also since Miami has not had a decent QB since Marino. Sporano will be canned before the end of the regular season and the fins will continue to suck for luck with a puppet coach. The coaching change is not for winning, but to try to make peace with fans and try to get bums on the seats.

But make no mistake, Caldwell will not be coaching in the NFL in 2012. Last night's game was not a defeat, it was not a beatdown, it was public humiliation in front of national audience at its worst. The Saints might as well have played with 2 players, a QB and RB on O and still would have beaten the Colts. Thats how bad it was. Colts fans are baying for blood, their primary blogs (ones the the owners and FO are a part of) are reporting that Caldwell will be gone.

You can take that to the bank.

8. Can't make this call yet. He might have a few good years left.

He might have a few good years, but the Raiders will still regret the day they agreed to give away what was left of their draft picks for him. They do not have enough to go past the first round of the Playoffs (at best) and without draft picks and in cap hell, I cant see them rebuild to progress!

9. Stafford will never play a full 16 game schedule.

True that!

 

[QuarterBack]

1. likely
2. probably not.
3. why?
4. No, that Pats team was much better. Packers are still beatable


you forgot about the comeback of the season. Tebowww!!

still not sold on him but he continues to find ways to win.. whatta finish that was! Matt Moore completely screwed up.

2. See above. It will happen
3. Didnt you see what the Falcons O linemen said happened?
http://www.google.com/url?url=http:...sg=AFQjCNFfPf_icMzm7kxwobPc7NIEP7H5jg&cad=rja

The NFL and Goddell might let him get away with it. But word travels in the NFL. You think the D-line players are angry ones?! Experienced O linemen are as nasty as they come, especially if they sense a danger to their QB. Thats why the QBs ALWAYS make it a point to develop a special relationship with them and take them out for dinner and stuff. If Suh keeps this up, it is merely a matter of time before one po'ed O lineman takes it upon himself to try to end Suh's career.

Oh yeah, completely forgot about Tebow. My bad! I agree with you, Im not convinced he is a long term solution. Having said that, he might have some issues, but man the kid has heart! It is really hard to not cheer for him. Good kid, hope he succeeds!

 

[QuarterBack]

SAF,

Still wondering why the rest of us think Flaccid, err Flacco is nothing more than average?!

 

[Amir]

Its Tebow Time! Only had to show up for the last 3 minutes of the game and won.

 

[QuarterBack]

Did Terrell Suggs who "destroyed" Skip, as Saf calls it, just "destroy" his Ravens' team unity by calling out Harbaugh?!

http://espn.go.com/blog/afcnorth/post/_/id/34213/suggs-questions-ravens-offensive-strategy

 

[Inswinger]

Joe Flacco has started to regress. He's had some of the most putrid games this season. Same can be said for Matt Ryan.

 

[asifp]

What a boring weekend in the NFL, the champs (Packers) sit and relax and watch everyone else fight for the second spot

 

[QuarterBack]

What a boring weekend in the NFL, the champs (Packers) sit and relax and watch everyone else fight for the second spot

Yuck it up while it lasts, my friend. The higher you go, the harder the fall hurts.

Green Bay is special this year, no doubt but with that porous a D, an unbeaten run looks improbable.

 

[QuarterBack]

Joe Flacco has started to regress. He's had some of the most putrid games this season. Same can be said for Matt Ryan.

Im not sure if this is all on Flacco though. Their FO messed up big time by taking away his big time targets. It sure doesnt help that he is average though.

 

[asifp]

Yuck it up while it lasts, my friend. The higher you go, the harder the fall hurts.

Green Bay is special this year, no doubt but with that porous a D, an unbeaten run looks improbable.

Yeah the D is down this year, letting Cullen Jenkins go was a mistake. His replacemtn was a much stronger Mike Neal but he is too injury prone.

Losing a pro bowl safety also hurts, especially the one that took a INT for a TD in the super bowl, Nick Collins is being missed.

A few guys are hurt as well, but I think the bye week will help them heal and come back ready.

But seriously have you seen the offense, it can like score at will!

 

[Inswinger]

Combined record of the teams the Packers have faced so far is 15-30

 

[Inswinger]

Rams seem to be the favorites for Luck at this point. If i were the Rams GM, I'd trade Bradford for a first and a second round pick and draft Luck.

 

[QuarterBack]

Yeah the D is down this year, letting Cullen Jenkins go was a mistake. His replacemtn was a much stronger Mike Neal but he is too injury prone.

Losing a pro bowl safety also hurts, especially the one that took a INT for a TD in the super bowl, Nick Collins is being missed.

A few guys are hurt as well, but I think the bye week will help them heal and come back ready.

But seriously have you seen the offense, it can like score at will!

Dude, I am a Pats fan and witnessed first hand the 2007 season. So believe me, i know how awesome it is to have an offense air it out at will

But I also know how it feels when your team is so good and yet cant reach its final goal. IMO, the 2007 Pats D >>> 2011 Packers D. That might come to haunt them in the future.

 

[QuarterBack]

Rams seem to be the favorites for Luck at this point. If i were the Rams GM, I'd trade Bradford for a first and a second round pick and draft Luck.

But the Raiders dont have a first and second. And no one but Crazy Al would agree to that deal...

 

[Romali_rotti]

Its Cowgurl week, BIRD UP

 

[Inswinger]

But the Raiders dont have a first and second. And no one but Crazy Al would agree to that deal...

I think the Dolphins would happily trade a first and a second for Bradford if they can't get Luck. A first and a third would be easy to get.

 

[QuarterBack]

I think the Dolphins would happily trade a first and a second for Bradford if they can't get Luck. A first and a third would be easy to get.

Im not so sure. Also rem that Fins would then have to take on Bradford's monster contract too. A 1st and 4th or 5th maybe with that deal.

 

[SAF]

Flacco had a terrible game. But it wasnt only him.. Jags did a great job stopping Rice and Boldin.
We'll be fine. Obviously the injuries are hurting us big time. The O-line isnt the same with Grubbs.
Lee Evans being out has put all the pressure on Boldin and Rice..and other than Boldin, all of our receivers are rookies.

I just hope our injured players (Jimmy Smith, Carr, Evans, Grubbs mainly) are back in two weeks when we play the steelers (cant wait!)

Oh well, I hope Pats win, so we can go back on top in AFC north.

 

[SAF]

Btw, Idk whats the big deal about Packers. Their D still sucks.

 

[asifp]

Combined record of the teams the Packers have faced so far is 15-30

you can beat what is put in front of you.

The best part about this 7-0 record is that except a few games we have not gone full throttle all four quarters.

And no worries about the Defense, it has been dinged up, it will tighten up as the year goes on and Dom Capers makes changes.

 

[SAF]

Flacco on criticism this past week:

"Oh, yeah," Flacco said. "What are you going to do? It's not like I pay attention and watch all that stuff, but that's the name of the game in the NFL. It's the name of the game in football. Like John [Harbaugh] said, they look at the quarterback when things are good and things are bad. That's what happens."

The players continue to support Flacco.

“That’s people on the outside,” center Matt Birk said of the criticism. “Everyone here on offense knows it’s everybody. We all stunk.”

 

[SAF]

Our O-line SUCKS!!!

Flacco played horrible on Monday night and he's playing horrible today.

Grubbs and Lee Evans better be back next week!

I still think we can win this one though.

 

[SAF]

Now this is the Joe Flacco I was defending in this thread. WOW!! What a turn around performance by him in the 3rd Qtr. Anquan Boldin is simply unstoppable right now!

 

[SAF]

All done. Clutch throw at the end by Flacco and an amazing catch by Torrie to seal the win. Boldin was simply too good in the 2nd half. Flacco definitely saved his butt today . I thought we were gonna see a repeat of last week, but he came out unstoppable in the 2nd half. I think the Ravens should do more no-huddle offense, thats where we are at our best. Now all we need is Grubbs and Evans in the line up, and we are set for next week's big game.

Now a Pats win is all I need to make this day perfect!!

 

[SAF]

Where is QB?

Cant belive Pats didnt challange their td with 4:00 on the clock. Instead they wasted almost 2mins and then went on to kick a terrible onside kick

And their defense....smh.

 

[Gotham Cronie]

Great NFC East battle about to start!

 

[SAF]

Eagles owned that game. About time..

What made it even more sweeter was Lebron James attending the game, just to see his team lose miserably.

 

[Romali_rotti]

Eagles starting to warm things up, Giants better start worrying...

 

[Gotham Cronie]

Eagles starting to warm things up, Giants better start worrying...

Can't wait for the Sunday night game against the Giants.

 

[QuarterBack]

Where is QB?

Cant belive Pats didnt challange their td with 4:00 on the clock. Instead they wasted almost 2mins and then went on to kick a terrible onside kick

And their defense....smh.

Pass Defense is just the worst in the league. I dunno how much of it is on BB and how much is on the personnel, but something's gotta change. You cant make the Rapist look like a world beater!

About the challenge, BB said he couldnt see it clearly. Plus TOs were a premium at that point of time.

Onside kick, AWFUL! Worst two onside kick attempts I've ever seen. Looked like the Pats couldn adjust to the actual grass field at Heinz after playing at turf.

This team will, in all probability make the playoffs. But unless the pass D improves dramatically, there's not much further we can travel.

 

[QuarterBack]

EDIT: About the challenge, BB said he couldnt see it clearly. Half CBS's fault and half was a case of we hurting ourselves. As soon as that play was not called a TD, CBS did not show the replay (which is what the coaches see up in the booth). The reason CBS did not show the replay was that Brady immediately lined up the O for the next snap, to not waste any more time.

The smarter thing that refs could have done was call it a TD, review it upstairs (automatic) and then find out what happened with replays. But the refs were duds! That safety call, hello, Troy had no business swatting the ball into the end zone, that is ILLEGAL! And then the guy recovers it out of bounds and its still called a safety! Go figure how!

 

[SAF]

so umm..do you guys remember that guy Phillip Rivers?

 

[Romali_rotti]

Can't wait for the Sunday night game against the Giants.

Same here.... Back to the Cowgurl game; how good was Jason Peters ?? He was BEASTIN like crazy mauling all of the Dallas defense single handedly, he is easily the best Left Tackle in the game today; HUGE BODY with feet of a running back ...

 

[Romali_rotti]

Lesean Mccoy the best RB in the NFL currently, on pace to break the eagles franchise record of 18 tds held by Steve Vurren ?

 

[Romali_rotti]

Another impressive STUD find by the birds; rookie center Jason Kelce, 1:34 onwards see how well he handles Ratliff, AWESOMEEEE :


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[asifp]

the PACK is BACK today. Time for the A-Rod show to continue.

 

[asifp]

and Pitt-Baltimore as well tonight, will it be a massacre like week one?

 

[SAF]

I am officially worried about Flacco today..this is the first time in this season where I have a bad feeling about the Ravens.

 

[asifp]

I cannot believed I made a trade for Tom Brady, how awful has he been in the past 2-3 weeks

 

[QuarterBack]

I cannot believed I made a trade for Tom Brady, how awful has he been in the past 2-3 weeks

Time for BOB to run the friggin ball more! They are passing like 60% of the time! And as "bad" TFB has been, he still drove down the field to score what would have been the game winning TD with any other D but this soft candy a** D that we have!

 

[SAF]

My qb is clutch, whose yours?

What a win. 92 yards in 2 mins. Beastly stuff from Flacco.

Keep hating, haters

 

[Inswinger]

My qb is clutch, whose yours?

What a win. 92 yards in 2 mins. Beastly stuff from Flacco.

Keep hating, haters

Eli Manning, two clutch drives in the final quarter, says hello.

Best QB in the 4th quarter.

 

[asifp]

Eli Manning, two clutch drives in the final quarter, says hello.

Best QB in the 4th quarter.

You don't need to be clutch if you can just blow away the opponents with your awesomeness.

A-Rod another perfect game.

As of now, he is on track to have the all the all time top 3 and maybe the greatest season by a QB in the history of the NFL

Yes I can gloat till it lasts

 

[SAF]

LOL

 

[asifp]

can we say bye bye eagles!

 

[whyhkk]

In theory Eagles aren't out of it but it must be like 5% chance they will make the playoffs. Oh well, onto next season.

 

[Inswinger]

Dream Team can start dreaming about next season!

 

[SAF]

Eagles friggin suck.. I really feel bad for Vick.

 

[SAF]

Sizzles owns Skip bayless again on his show. ahahaha