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big_gamer007 said:
I wanted to see [MENTION=131701]Mamoon[/MENTION] and [MENTION=79064]MMHS[/MENTION] in these debates but I guess both of them are super busy during these troubled times.

Also, once debate ends might be a good idea to have a poll where others can vote who won in their opinion, just for bragging rights :). [MENTION=93712]MenInG[/MENTION]
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Haha - yes should be some fun when things calm down
 
My stance is that Hasan Ali should be in the radar rather than sidelining him.
 
I worry about Hasan Ali.

He had a brief successful period with the white ball, but he was unable to consolidate that because a fast bowler who is 5’8 in height has no margin for error in terms of the length he bowls. Really every inch under 6’0 you need to be twice as skilled, and I can’t remember any successful Test fast bowler as short as him - he makes Steyn and Marshall look like Curtly Ambrose or Mohammad Irfan.

I don’t understand what is wrong in the junior coaching system in Pakistan that someone doesn’t take short men like Hasan Ali and Musa Khan to one side and tell them that they are wasting their time, they have no prospect of a successful international career.

Having said that, I don’t think that all is lost for Hasan Ali. In my opinion when Pakistan plays in SENA they will require 2 pace bowling all-rounders to support Shaheen Shah Afridi and Naseem Shah. For me, Hasan Ali needs to work like a madman on his batting to compete with Faheem Ashraf, who is almost as short, for the Number 8 position. His potential role is as half a batsman and half a bowler, the fourth seamer.

Hasan Ali has obviously been excessively influenced by the slogging of Shahid Afridi. But if he can learn to knuckle down and defend properly he could be a decent Test number 8.
 
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big_gamer007 said:
I wanted to see [MENTION=131701]Mamoon[/MENTION] and [MENTION=79064]MMHS[/MENTION] in these debates but I guess both of them are super busy during these troubled times.

Also, once debate ends might be a good idea to have a poll where others can vote who won in their opinion, just for bragging rights :). [MENTION=93712]MenInG[/MENTION]
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My mind is just not in right place for any debate now with the situation - our close family is spread out across globe - Toronto, NY, LA, Boston, London, Sydney and obviously Bangladesh. Each of these places are now in red zone .....
 
Junaids said:
I worry about Hasan Ali.

He had a brief successful period with the white ball, but he was unable to consolidate that because a fast bowler who is 5’8 in height has no margin for error in terms of the length he bowls. Really every inch under 6’0 you need to be twice as skilled, and I can’t remember any successful Test fast bowler as short as him - he makes Steyn and Marshall look like Curtly Ambrose or Mohammad Irfan.

I don’t understand what is wrong in the junior coaching system in Pakistan that someone doesn’t take short men like Hasan Ali and Musa Khan to one side and tell them that they are wasting their time, they have no prospect of a successful international career.

Having said that, I don’t think that all is lost for Hasan Ali. In my opinion when Pakistan plays in SENA they will require 2 pace bowling all-rounders to support Shaheen Shah Afridi and Naseem Shah. For me, Hasan Ali needs to work like a madman on his batting to compete with Faheem Ashraf, who is almost as short, for the Number 8 position. His potential role is as half a batsman and half a bowler, the fourth seamer.

Hasan Ali has obviously been excessively influenced by the slogging of Shahid Afridi. But if he can learn to knuckle down and defend properly he could be a decent Test number 8.
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if you are 5'8n you need to bowl 135 plus no matter what with accuracy.

guys like jamieson can get away with bowling 130 but not guys under 5'11.
 
Guys this thread just to put down your names for debates etc.
 
MenInG said:
Need more brave people to step up!
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Just a personal point of view but you should let people chose their debate if none of those in the opening post interest them.

Some of them will never be debated I think, for example, Is VK an all time great, who do you think believe he isn't or he will not be? No one.
Is Saeed Anwar Pakistan best opener? I mean no one will come and say, no it's Imran Farhat. There is no other options in the last 60 years. So don't see anyone taking this debate either.

Same for some others on that list.

Then, I may be wrong, and these debate may be interesting, just that I don't find them interesting.
 
Mobashir said:
Just a personal point of view but you should let people chose their debate if none of those in the opening post interest them.

Some of them will never be debated I think, for example, Is VK an all time great, who do you think believe he isn't or he will not be? No one.
Is Saeed Anwar Pakistan best opener? I mean no one will come and say, no it's Imran Farhat. There is no other options in the last 60 years. So don't see anyone taking this debate either.

Same for some others on that list.

Then, I may be wrong, and these debate may be interesting, just that I don't find them interesting.
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We will add some more topics later.

However as we can see, what one person feels is a good topic may not be one that other one wants, its difficult to match everyone's favourites

I would say you suggest a topic you like and we can see who else likes it then we can see how it goes?
 
MenInG said:
Can you indicate are you against or for?
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Apologies for the late reply chief, would like to argue AGAINST the Power of the Big 3 being justified. Would like to give the option of opening the debate to the other person
 
KingOfPakBreakfast said:
Apologies for the late reply chief, would like to argue AGAINST the Power of the Big 3 being justified. Would like to give the option of opening the debate to the other person
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[MENTION=76058]cricketjoshila[/MENTION] you ok to go head to head FOR the topic?
 
KingOfPakBreakfast said:
Apologies for the late reply chief, would like to argue AGAINST the Power of the Big 3 being justified. Would like to give the option of opening the debate to the other person
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Ok so next debate on the Big 3 Topic between [MENTION=143541]KingOfPakBreakfast[/MENTION] and [MENTION=76058]cricketjoshila[/MENTION]
 
MenInG said:
Many thanks to [MENTION=141093]big_gamer007[/MENTION] for a similar idea.

See below for topics of debates (we will be open to more topics so feel free to add as a new post in this thread)


Debates to do:

Misbah-ul-Haq's coaching ability (@Major,???)
Is Virat Kohli an ATG
Wasim Akram vs Waqar Younis - who was better (For Waqar: [MENTION=147292]RedwoodOriginal[/MENTION])
Najam Sethi vs Ehsan Mani/Wasim Khan
Mohammad Hafeez and Shoaib Malik needed for T20 World Cup ( for : [MENTION=146498]Sher Khan[/MENTION],
Umar Akmal misunderstood genius
Best batting line-up in Tests - which country has it?
Saeed Anwar - Pakistan's best opening batsman?
T20 Leagues vs Country
Babar Azam v Rohit Sharma (@MoJoJoJo, ???)
Faheem Ashraf - A bright future or a waste of time? (Slim, ???)
BCCI vs PCB - Which board has done most for its cricketers? [MENTION=76058]cricketjoshila[/MENTION] , ???)
Is India's current superiority in Tests temporary?

Debates in progress

Hassan Ali still worth pursuing or a lost talent (@Junaids, [MENTION=142432]Titan24[/MENTION])
Power of Big-3 justfied? (@KingOfPakBreakfast [MENTION=76058]cricketjoshila[/MENTION])

Debates concluded

India fast-bowlers vs Pakistan fast-bowlers [all formats] (tyron_woodley, kingpin786)
Mohammad Hafeez and Shoaib Malik needed for T20 World Cup ( [MENTION=146498]Sher Khan[/MENTION], [MENTION=133760]Abdullah719[/MENTION])

http://www.pakpassion.net/ppforum/s...lers-all-formats-(tyron_woodley-v-kingpin786)
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I hope it’s not too late but I would love to participate in the Mickey Arthur vs. Hafeez debate (or seniors if it’s too specific).

Any chance of this happening?
[MENTION=9]Saj[/MENTION] [MENTION=133760]Abdullah719[/MENTION]
 
MenInG said:
Many thanks to [MENTION=141093]big_gamer007[/MENTION] for a similar idea.

See below for topics of debates (we will be open to more topics so feel free to add as a new post in this thread)


Debates to do:

Misbah-ul-Haq's coaching ability [MENTION=135038]Major[/MENTION],???)
Is Virat Kohli an ATG
Wasim Akram vs Waqar Younis - who was better (For Waqar: [MENTION=147292]RedwoodOriginal[/MENTION])
Najam Sethi vs Ehsan Mani/Wasim Khan
Mohammad Hafeez and Shoaib Malik needed for T20 World Cup ( for : [MENTION=146498]Sher Khan[/MENTION],
Umar Akmal misunderstood genius
Best batting line-up in Tests - which country has it?
Saeed Anwar - Pakistan's best opening batsman?
T20 Leagues vs Country
Babar Azam v Rohit Sharma (@MoJoJoJo, ???)
Faheem Ashraf - A bright future or a waste of time? (Slim, ???)
BCCI vs PCB - Which board has done most for its cricketers? [MENTION=76058]cricketjoshila[/MENTION] , ???)
Is India's current superiority in Tests temporary?

Debates in progress

Hassan Ali still worth pursuing or a lost talent (@Junaids, [MENTION=142432]Titan24[/MENTION])
Power of Big-3 justfied? (@KingOfPakBreakfast [MENTION=76058]cricketjoshila[/MENTION])

Debates concluded

India fast-bowlers vs Pakistan fast-bowlers [all formats] (tyron_woodley, kingpin786)
Mohammad Hafeez and Shoaib Malik needed for T20 World Cup ( [MENTION=146498]Sher Khan[/MENTION], [MENTION=133760]Abdullah719[/MENTION])

http://www.pakpassion.net/ppforum/s...lers-all-formats-(tyron_woodley-v-kingpin786)
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I'd like to debate [MENTION=135038]Major[/MENTION] against Misbah's coaching ability
 
msb314 said:
I hope it’s not too late but I would love to participate in the Mickey Arthur vs. Hafeez debate (or seniors if it’s too specific).

Any chance of this happening?

[MENTION=9]Saj[/MENTION] [MENTION=133760]Abdullah719[/MENTION]
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Hi [MENTION=93712]MenInG[/MENTION] - any update on the request above?
 
Please suggest more topics for debate and if you are interested in taking part.
 
Any takers for the

Najam Sethi vs Ehsan Mani/Wasim Khan debate?
 
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