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Syed1 said:
We call it Seraiki and yes there is a large chunk of population that does speak it in South Punjab. Personally to me it sounds like a hybrid between Punjabi and Sindhi.
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Yes seraiki. Is it spoken only in Multan or popular in other parts of Pakistan as well?
 
Syed1 said:
Any folks from Hyderabad, India been to Karachi Bakery?

I recently went to a desi store and bought some cookies that were in a beautifully packaged box with Karachi Bakery written on it and the type of biscuits were called Osmania. They might be the perfect biscuits to have with chai. Slightly sweet, slightly salty and they melt in your mouth. I thought Karachi Bakery might be some bakery in Karachi which I had not heard of while I was there, but I turned the box over and it said Product of India and the address was from somewhere in Hyderabad, India.
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Yes we get it in all stores although the ones bought from Hyderabad tasted much better than the ones i got at a retail store in Chennai.
Its a splty in Hyderabad nowadays(the bakery),they have diff varieties try the assorted ones next time.Cashew ones are my fav.

Osmania biscuits(local ones not from Karachi Bakery) are usually had with Irani Chai in Hyderabad if you can get anywhere there..
 
LastManstanding said:
Yes seraiki. Is it spoken only in Multan or popular in other parts of Pakistan as well?
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Mostly it is spoken in Southern Punjab of which Multan is the biggest city while you may find some Seraiki speaking folks who have moved to other cities such as Islamabad, Lahore, Karachi, Faisalabad etc for employment.
 
JaDed said:
Yes we get it in all stores although the ones bought from Hyderabad tasted much better than the ones i got at a retail store in Chennai.
Its a splty in Hyderabad nowadays(the bakery),they have diff varieties try the assorted ones next time.Cashew ones are my fav.

Osmania biscuits(local ones not from Karachi Bakery) are usually had with Irani Chai in Hyderabad if you can get anywhere there..
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Oh they had the Cashew ones on the shelf as well. I'll try those next time..
 
Some guy named Carlos Brathwaite tried to recruit me to the military today.

I was like no man, I am not serving Trump.
 
So what's the deal with desis frowning upon men with long hairstyles? 2nd time today got an earful from an uncle. Was telling me how the prophet P.B.U.H never kept long hair, which I'm pretty sure he did (?). But even if he didn't, what's the fuss all about? Any uncles on here who can give me their opinion, will be much appreciated.
 
Btw, to any hair experts on here, what's a good oil to apply right after a shower? Or are there any grooming techniques one must follow with long hair? Any suggestions?
 
Belawal2014 said:
So what's the deal with desis frowning upon men with long hairstyles? 2nd time today got an earful from an uncle. Was telling me how the prophet P.B.U.H never kept long hair, which I'm pretty sure he did (?). But even if he didn't, what's the fuss all about? Any uncles on here who can give me their opinion, will be much appreciated.
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Pretty sure Prophet P.B.U.H had long hair.


Let the uncles speak, do as you please.
 
Anyone watching Genie Vs Sharapova?? The match is more than Tennis, it is hate ! :snack:
 
[MENTION=26195]DW44[/MENTION] If you don't mind me asking, what were your reasons of moving to Qatar?
 
Belawal2014 said:
Btw, to any hair experts on here, what's a good oil to apply right after a shower? Or are there any grooming techniques one must follow with long hair? Any suggestions?
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Comb your hair in the direction and shape you want it to grow.
 
ExpressPacer said:
[MENTION=26195]DW44[/MENTION] If you don't mind me asking, what were your reasons of moving to Qatar?
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The company I was working for left Pakistan and most jobs in my field pay about half of what they paid(it was one of the three biggest engineering services and consultancy firms in the world). I was still OK with making less as long as I didn't have to go to the GCC but my dad found this job through some friend of his and me taking it was the job equivalent of a forced marriage. Only here until my paperwork for Australia comes through which should be another year or slightly longer.
 
DW44 said:
The company I was working for left Pakistan and most jobs in my field pay about half of what they paid(it was one of the three biggest engineering services and consultancy firms in the world). I was still OK with making less as long as I didn't have to go to the GCC but my dad found this job through some friend of his and me taking it was the job equivalent of a forced marriage. Only here until my paperwork for Australia comes through which should be another year or slightly longer.
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Australia's worse dude, it's like a poor imitation of America and also a lot smaller in terms of population and the economy.
 
DW44 said:
The company I was working for left Pakistan and most jobs in my field pay about half of what they paid(it was one of the three biggest engineering services and consultancy firms in the world). I was still OK with making less as long as I didn't have to go to the GCC but my dad found this job through some friend of his and me taking it was the job equivalent of a forced marriage. Only here until my paperwork for Australia comes through which should be another year or slightly longer.
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I see. That must've been hard. Unfortunately, a lot of people are being made redundant because of lots of international companies leaving Pakistan.

Any-who, my personal experience of spending some time in Doha hasn't been that bad. It's a good place for vacation, much like Dubai. But maybe living there isn't the greatest thing in the world. As for Australia, best of luck! Do you have a job in mind there?
 
Pakistanian said:
Australia's worse dude, it's like a poor imitation of America and also a lot smaller in terms of population and the economy.
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Pretty much the only thing I'm concerned with is that the country I move to not be an Islamic state and must not have a Muslim majority. Australia has the most straight forward PR process and besides, their job market and wage structure is far superior to the alternative which is Canada, something made better by the fact that there's a serious skill shortage there in my field. Marijuana is practically legal in Canberra so that's all my basis covered since I'm not too demanding - secular state, small Muslim minority, legal(ish) marijuana.
 
ExpressPacer said:
I see. That must've been hard. Unfortunately, a lot of people are being made redundant because of lots of international companies leaving Pakistan.

Any-who, my personal experience of spending some time in Doha hasn't been that bad. It's a good place for vacation, much like Dubai. But maybe living there isn't the greatest thing in the world. As for Australia, best of luck! Do you have a job in mind there?
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My primary issue is with the Islamic laws(prohibition, corporal punishment etc), the Muslim majority and the racism(Pakistanis are treated like vermin here) so it's not that great for me. How much one likes this part of the world depends a lot on what their priorities in life are.
 
DW44 said:
My primary issue is with the Islamic laws(prohibition, corporal punishment etc), the Muslim majority and the racism(Pakistanis are treated like vermin here) so it's not that great for me. How much one likes this part of the world depends a lot on what their priorities in life are.
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Can't disagree there. If you're looking for a Western, liberal culture then Australia is one of the best options. Perhaps Netherlands too but the racism in Europe would be a bigger problem than what it is in the gulf.
 
DW44 said:
Pretty much the only thing I'm concerned with is that the country I move to not be an Islamic state and must not have a Muslim majority. Australia has the most straight forward PR process and besides, their job market and wage structure is far superior to the alternative which is Canada, something made better by the fact that there's a serious skill shortage there in my field. Marijuana is practically legal in Canberra so that's all my basis covered since I'm not too demanding - secular state, small Muslim minority, legal(ish) marijuana.
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Seems a good fit for your then but Australia isn't really all that and it's really small population and market and lack of history is the main reason for that and the fact that it's mostly an uninhabitable desert outside the few major cities means there isn't a lot of potential for it to become anywhere as successful as America.
 
Pakistanian said:
Seems a good fit for your then but Australia isn't really all that and it's really small population and market and lack of history is the main reason for that and the fact that it's mostly an uninhabitable desert outside the few major cities means there isn't a lot of potential for it to become anywhere as successful as America.
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For now, my priority is to get to a livable environment and get away from the Islamofascism of Pakistan. I'll worry about success when I have my freedom which, for now, is my first priority.
 
DW44 said:
For now, my priority is to get to a livable environment and get away from the Islamofascism of Pakistan. I'll worry about success when I have my freedom which, for now, is my first priority.
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That makes sense.
 
DW44 said:
Pretty much the only thing I'm concerned with is that the country I move to not be an Islamic state and must not have a Muslim majority. Australia has the most straight forward PR process and besides, their job market and wage structure is far superior to the alternative which is Canada, something made better by the fact that there's a serious skill shortage there in my field. Marijuana is practically legal in Canberra so that's all my basis covered since I'm not too demanding - secular state, small Muslim minority, legal(ish) marijuana.
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You are right although they have brought in some changes last month,hopefully you are aware regarding those.
 
Belawal2014 said:
And was this realization all of a sudden? Or something that was compounded over time?
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It was always a matter of when rather than if. Just needed the right trigger and starting my practical life in Pakistan(i.e. after completing my education and stepping into the real world), seeing an Islamic society in action, was that trigger. That lead to a period of exhaustive research, which led me to the conclusion that there's simply no way any of this stuff was true.
 
DW44 said:
It was always a matter of when rather than if. Just needed the right trigger and starting my practical life in Pakistan(i.e. after completing my education and stepping into the real world), seeing an Islamic society in action, was that trigger. That lead to a period of exhaustive research, which led me to the conclusion that there's simply no way any of this stuff was true.
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Do you think your problem with Islam is mostly with they way it's been used/misinterpreted/misrepresented by the masses, or is your objection wrt to the fundamentals of Islam + the Quran itself?
 
Belawal2014 said:
Do you think your problem with Islam is mostly with they way it's been used/misinterpreted/misrepresented by the masses, or is your objection wrt to the fundamentals of Islam + the Quran itself?
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The fundamentals​ and the core message is pretty problematic to begin with(e.g. slavery and women's rights) - I can't use a stronger term here because that's​ like waving a red cloth in front of the censor board but problematic doesn't even come close to what I'd say if I didn't have to worry about censorship - and I don't see the actions of the so called bad/misguided Muslims as a misrepresentation or corruption of "real" Islam but as one of many interpretations of it.
 
Pakistanian said:
Seems a good fit for your then but Australia isn't really all that and it's really small population and market and lack of history is the main reason for that and the fact that it's mostly an uninhabitable desert outside the few major cities means there isn't a lot of potential for it to become anywhere as successful as America.
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There's a lot more than a "few" major cities situated outside the desert.

95% of the country live near the coast- the middle is near empty, hence the tiny population when compared to land mass.

Lack of history?

[MENTION=26195]DW44[/MENTION] what city are you planning on staying?
 
Ellipsism said:
There's a lot more than a "few" major cities situated outside the desert.

95% of the country live near the coast- the middle is near empty, hence the tiny population when compared to land mass.

Lack of history?

[MENTION=26195]DW44[/MENTION] what city are you planning on staying?
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Brisbane initially because I'll save a lot of money on rent and stuff living with my sister but my priority would be to get a job in Melbourne. Australia is basically a cluster of big cities with a whole lot of nothing in between and I despise hot and/or sunny weather with a passion so Melbourne's the only option for me because of its semi passable climate.
 
DW44 said:
Brisbane initially because I'll save a lot of money on rent and stuff living with my sister but my priority would be to get a job in Melbourne. Australia is basically a cluster of big cities with a whole lot of nothing in between and I despise hot and/or sunny weather with a passion so Melbourne's the only option for me because of its semi passable climate.
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I suggest you start looking for some decent areas to stay in Melbourne- you'd want to stray from the areas where the Lebanese or African population dominate there's a fairly high crime rate and a lot of gang related issues.
 
LastManstanding said:
[MENTION=137142]JaDed[/MENTION] did you go for data science or are you still working with tibco?
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Still with Tibco mate,I did get Spark,Scala training and certain POC projects though but didn't get a fulltime project.

How is it going for you?Are you planning to move out of country?
 
JaDed said:
Still with Tibco mate,I did get Spark,Scala training and certain POC projects though but didn't get a fulltime project.

How is it going for you?Are you planning to move out of country?
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Spent few months in London but tbh didn't like much there. So planning to stay in India only. Right now working with play framework which is mixture of java and Scala but it doesn't have much scope in the market from the looks of it.
 
LastManstanding said:
Spent few months in London but tbh didn't like much there. So planning to stay in India only. Right now working with play framework which is mixture of java and Scala but it doesn't have much scope in the market from the looks of it.
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The market is an issue mate although MVC might pick up,if you have 5 above experience try PR for Aus or Canada,my partner lived for a year in London,but she lived in multiple zones from 1 to 5 so she had a mixed experience but positive overall esp in central London.

Also I'm in one of those IT body shops so work will never be interesting ,ever! What didn't you try Big Data,Java/Scala with BIG Data will defn gain a lot of demand and is already in use by US based companies,plus everything can be installed locally(cloudera).
 
JaDed said:
The market is an issue mate although MVC might pick up,if you have 5 above experience try PR for Aus or Canada,my partner lived for a year in London,but she lived in multiple zones from 1 to 5 so she had a mixed experience but positive overall esp in central London.

Also I'm in one of those IT body shops so work will never be interesting ,ever! What didn't you try Big Data,Java/Scala with BIG Data will defn gain a lot of demand and is already in use by US based companies,plus everything can be installed locally(cloudera).
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I found London a good place to visit and may be perhaps stay there for few months, but not a place where I would like to live few years. I also stayed in central London and its a fantastic place, but quite expensive too and salaries in London for IT engineers aren't that great considering the cost of living there. After doing calculations, I realized that I can get much better lifestyle in India.

I have close to 9 years of work ex but considering the change in visa policies in places like Australia, I guess it wouldn't be that easy for IT professionals like us.

The thing with Big data is that it is in great demand in India but every company looks for real time project experience before hiring you. POC alone wouldnt be able to land you a job. I am thinking of trying my hands at node js though. Lets see how it works out.
 
LastManstanding said:
The thing with Big data is that it is in great demand in India but every company looks for real time project experience before hiring you. POC alone wouldnt be able to land you a job. I am thinking of trying my hands at node js though. Lets see how it works out.
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IT guys in India should start looking for jobs in other fields..maybe become teachers in schools or give private tuitions. Too many good for nothing lazy wannabes who can't even write quicksort and have been living on copy paste from google had it coming.
 
LastManstanding said:
I found London a good place to visit and may be perhaps stay there for few months, but not a place where I would like to live few years. I also stayed in central London and its a fantastic place, but quite expensive too and salaries in London for IT engineers aren't that great considering the cost of living there. After doing calculations, I realized that I can get much better lifestyle in India.

I have close to 9 years of work ex but considering the change in visa policies in places like Australia, I guess it wouldn't be that easy for IT professionals like us.

The thing with Big data is that it is in great demand in India but every company looks for real time project experience before hiring you. POC alone wouldnt be able to land you a job. I am thinking of trying my hands at node js though. Lets see how it works out.
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9 work experience is huge ,u can try Canada with Express entry score pretty low but the thing is IT market is terrible there even if you have Canadian degree, mostly banking projects.

Yeah I got personal experience on BIG data rejection, although tbf BIG DATA adminstration is a hot line due to severe shortage but again that line is usually possible for ppl who were in adminstration before.

The thing with American projects I'm noticing now is(in my company and non BFS) many of them are preferring hiring locally there due to much of the unlicensed stuff available with wide variety of information available, most of us need to up the skill for sure,more than ever.
 
JaDed said:
9 work experience is huge ,u can try Canada with Express entry score pretty low but the thing is IT market is terrible there even if you have Canadian degree, mostly banking projects.

Yeah I got personal experience on BIG data rejection, although tbf BIG DATA adminstration is a hot line due to severe shortage but again that line is usually possible for ppl who were in adminstration before.

The thing with American projects I'm noticing now is(in my company and non BFS) many of them are preferring hiring locally there due to much of the unlicensed stuff available with wide variety of information available, most of us need to up the skill for sure,more than ever.
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The problem is every IT company wants to jump to Big Data bandwagon but they dont have enough resources. So, they look outside for Big data experts who can also lead projects and train the inexperienced resources in their company due to which there is an acute demand of Big data and hadoop.

Upgrading skills is important but the paradigm is changing very rapidly nowadays. Every few months there is a new CMS and Ecommerce tool coming in the market. And the older ones go out of demand very quickly. A strong base in Java at least provides me the flexibility to try my hands at these tools as I have Java to fall back upon.
 
CricketCartoons said:
IT guys in India should start looking for jobs in other fields..maybe become teachers in schools or give private tuitions. Too many good for nothing lazy wannabes who can't even write quicksort and have been living on copy paste from google had it coming.
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Thanks for your advice but how is it related to the post you quoted?
 
LastManstanding said:
The problem is every IT company wants to jump to Big Data bandwagon but they dont have enough resources. So, they look outside for Big data experts who can also lead projects and train the inexperienced resources in their company due to which there is an acute demand of Big data and hadoop.

Upgrading skills is important but the paradigm is changing very rapidly nowadays. Every few months there is a new CMS and Ecommerce tool coming in the market. And the older ones go out of demand very quickly. A strong base in Java at least provides me the flexibility to try my hands at these tools as I have Java to fall back upon.
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Yes I would say you did well that way, sadly I find myself struggling in most of them even though I have no issues with OOPS or core Java as such.

Tbf I'm not able to keep up but somehow Tibco keeps getting me work but I would say at best one more year ,also wonder if you saw the new tech crunch winners imo that could change a lot of implemented in companies basically for ppl that copy paste from Google.It heavily relies on third party.

https://www.google.co.in/amp/s/techcrunch.com/2017/05/14/codecorrect-disruptny-hackathon/amp/
 
JaDed said:
Yes I would say you did well that way, sadly I find myself struggling in most of them even though I have no issues with OOPS or core Java as such.

Tbf I'm not able to keep up but somehow Tibco keeps getting me work but I would say at best one more year ,also wonder if you saw the new tech crunch winners imo that could change a lot of implemented in companies basically for ppl that copy paste from Google.It heavily relies on third party.

https://www.google.co.in/amp/s/techcrunch.com/2017/05/14/codecorrect-disruptny-hackathon/amp/
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I would suggest exploring node js. It is good alternative to Java and knowing a language along with a product always comes in handy. If you have around 5-6 years or lesser work experience then its better for you because after 8 years, companies look for team leads and solution architects, so they demand you have at least 2 years of work experience on working on a technology. For lesser experienced resources, the interview isnt that difficult if its a niche skill.
 
LastManstanding said:
I would suggest exploring node js. It is good alternative to Java and knowing a language along with a product always comes in handy. If you have around 5-6 years or lesser work experience then its better for you because after 8 years, companies look for team leads and solution architects, so they demand you have at least 2 years of work experience on working on a technology. For lesser experienced resources, the interview isnt that difficult if its a niche skill.
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Thanks ,will look into node js.
 
TalentSpotterPk said:
So,

She was student of Pakistan's best Medical College.

MashaAllah.
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today for the first time in my life i went to pindi stadium to watch u19 semi final..but my entry was denied and they said that no one is allowed to enter the stadium..i dont know why,,,,,,and zaid alam was excellent today..i think he is a future star??/
 
DRsohail said:
how can i tag u in my posts????
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DRsohail said:
today for the first time in my life i went to pindi stadium to watch u19 semi final..but my entry was denied and they said that no one is allowed to enter the stadium..i dont know why,,,,,,and zaid alam was excellent today..i think he is a future star??/
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Brother you have to type @ before my username. I will get notification.

Pathetic from Rcc admin. They should have checked you, asked for your ID and than allowed you. Ajeeb kaalay qanoon ka raaj hai hamaray mulk mein.


Will look for Zaid Alam in future. Any fast bowler ? ie 140 plus ?
 
TalentSpotterPk said:
Brother you have to type @ before my username. I will get notification.

Pathetic from Rcc admin. They should have checked you, asked for your ID and than allowed you. Ajeeb kaalay qanoon ka raaj hai hamaray mulk mein.


Will look for Zaid Alam in future. Any fast bowler ? ie 140 plus ?
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the real story was that ..i was in a hotel in isd with my friend who was there to take US medical licensing exam.which i also took last month but result is awaited...i siwthed on super and karachi batting was goin on with wxcellent century from one of their opener ...it was his 2nd century of the u19 tournament...so i got exited and staright away went there,,,but i was shocked to see that they were not allowing us to enter there....disappointed really ..how can a cricekt board deprive their people to watch a cricekte match....it is good for the players and for the cricket of the country but i dont know why......and i watced half of the 2nd innings on tv.target was 354 but that guy zaid alam got hundred and was impressive...they were 225/3 in 35 over when i left hotel ....bk in pehawar now....
 
no good fast bowler all were in 12o range...not even a good spinner..there were 4 to 5 lefet arm spinner but none was impressive ......
 
DRsohail said:
the real story was that ..i was in a hotel in isd with my friend who was there to take US medical licensing exam.which i also took last month but result is awaited...i siwthed on super and karachi batting was goin on with wxcellent century from one of their opener ...it was his 2nd century of the u19 tournament...so i got exited and staright away went there,,,but i was shocked to see that they were not allowing us to enter there....disappointed really ..how can a cricekt board deprive their people to watch a cricekte match....it is good for the players and for the cricket of the country but i dont know why......and i watced half of the 2nd innings on tv.target was 354 but that guy zaid alam got hundred and was impressive...they were 225/3 in 35 over when i left hotel ....bk in pehawar now....
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Well so you are leaving Pak aswell. Hopefully. I guess USMLE step 1 or 2 it would be.

Well I am very happy for you but very sad for Pakistan & KPK.


You don't get pay like USA in Pakistan Post Fellowship and my observation says that only extremely right wing Muslim Doctors immediately return to Pakistan after fellowship ie less than 5% while 5 to 10 % return along with wealth and family once their children become Adults. All others stay abroad 70 % stay in USA and work there while remaining 10-15 % opt for other western countries or Middle East.


Sad trend but justified because We humans look for better oppurtunities.


Kaash k hanaray mulk k halaat ache hotay :'(


Will keep an eye on zaid alam.
 
TalentSpotterPk said:
Well so you are leaving Pak aswell. Hopefully. I guess USMLE step 1 or 2 it would be.

Well I am very happy for you but very sad for Pakistan & KPK.


You don't get pay like USA in Pakistan Post Fellowship and my observation says that only extremely right wing Muslim Doctors immediately return to Pakistan after fellowship ie less than 5% while 5 to 10 % return along with wealth and family once their children become Adults. All others stay abroad 70 % stay in USA and work there while remaining 10-15 % opt for other western countries or Middle East.


Sad trend but justified because We humans look for better oppurtunities.


Kaash k hanaray mulk k halaat ache hotay :'(


Will keep an eye on zaid alam.
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my intentions are clear and those are to return to pakistan after my training..as i have my evrything here but its my dream to get quality training ....but one never knows that what life makes u in future.....i consider myself of that 10% ......
 
DRsohail said:
my intentions are clear and those are to return to pakistan after my training..as i have my evrything here but its my dream to get quality training ....but one never knows that what life makes u in future.....i consider myself of that 10% ......
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Hopefully. Best wishes and prayers.
 
All this talk of going abroad for education and returning to serve your country reminds me of my own time at uni. Actually ended up coming back and then... let's just say things happened and mistakes were made. Wouldn't​ recommend it to anyone who values any degree of personal freedom or isn't a complete extremist.
 
DW44 said:
All this talk of going abroad for education and returning to serve your country reminds me of my own time at uni. Actually ended up coming back and then... let's just say things happened and mistakes were made. Wouldn't​ recommend it to anyone who values any degree of personal freedom or isn't a complete extremist.
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What do you suggest? Should one stay in Pakistan for Uni if that's where they want to settle eventually? I can't seem to make up my mind. Absolutely obfuscated at the moment. I have the option to go and study in the UK or even the USA in a good Uni but leaving behind my mother for 4 years or the thought of staying out of Pakistan for Masters or a job is heart-wrenching.

You're one poster who's opinion I seriously respect on PP because you ere in Pakistan until just recently. So, what is your opinion? Are there enough jobs in Pakistan to promise a good living, and if so, in what fields?

Frankly, I'm a realist and not some overly patriotic nut. I don't necessarily want to serve my country (although I wouldn't mind because of my love for Pakistan) but I don't want to spend majority of my time outside of Pakistan. Once you've lived in Pakistan even as a middle class person, relocating yourself abroad can be a real hassle, especially with all the independence and loneliness. So, what is your opinion on this matter?
 
ExpressPacer said:
What do you suggest? Should one stay in Pakistan for Uni if that's where they want to settle eventually? I can't seem to make up my mind. Absolutely obfuscated at the moment. I have the option to go and study in the UK or even the USA in a good Uni but leaving behind my mother for 4 years or the thought of staying out of Pakistan for Masters or a job is heart-wrenching.

You're one poster who's opinion I seriously respect on PP because you ere in Pakistan until just recently. So, what is your opinion? Are there enough jobs in Pakistan to promise a good living, and if so, in what fields?

Frankly, I'm a realist and not some overly patriotic nut. I don't necessarily want to serve my country (although I wouldn't mind because of my love for Pakistan) but I don't want to spend majority of my time outside of Pakistan. Once you've lived in Pakistan even as a middle class person, relocating yourself abroad can be a real hassle, especially with all the independence and loneliness. So, what is your opinion on this matter?
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Up to you really. A foreign degree can be pretty hit and miss in terms of giving you an advantage in Pakistan, some people get it and some don't. I know people who couldn't find jobs two years after coming back. A LUMS grad in Pakistan (do NOT, however, go to IBA. That place is full of poorly socialised idiots) would be much more desirable for most employers than someone who studied abroad unless they went to a top notch school (Ivies, Stanford, MIT, Oxbridge, LSE and Imperial).

The job situation is pretty dire, at least in technical fields unless you're willing to settle for something ridiculous like 15 grands a month because there's very few players in that sector. The influx of Chinese money has also made things worse because they bring their own people from China so there's very few high end jobs, at least for engineers. To give you an example, back in the early 2000s, when Nokia and Ericsson supplied most of Ufone/Telenor/Mobilink's networking equipment, the vendors (Nokia/Ericsson) were staffed almost entirely by Pakistanis except for very high ranking positions like Country Head. They have now been driven out by Huawei and ZTE who fill most technical positions with Chinese engineers, only hiring Pakistanis for low end engineering work and as technicians etc. As CPEC picks up pace, this pattern will repeat in most other sectors(already started in the power sector to some extent) so competition for decent jobs will be even fiercer.

It was stupid on my part to want to "develop Pakistan" but I was lucky to learn my lesson pretty quickly after returning. As for the independence/loneliness business, it depends from person to person. I, for instance, am pretty withdrawn and get easily annoyed if my family calls me more than once every three or four days. At home, I ate in my room because I just prefer being by myself so the independence and freedom suits me. A friend from university, on the other hand, used to go to Pakistan twice a year during our two week Easter and Christmas break because he had a very different relationship with his family, my point being that it depends on the person. This is something you have to decide for yourself based on your own preferences.
 
To add to my previous post, there's been some serious wage depression since the entry of Chinese companies. From a random sample of 10 engineers who were all working at Ericsson or Nokia for, say, PKR 150'000 a month back in the telecom industry's heyday, about half would most likely be working for a subcontractor for around PKR 30'000 to 50'000 while one or two would be working at Huawei or ZTE for 70'000 to 80'000, one lucky guy would have found a job in Telenor or Mobilink(Ufone hasn't been hiring for years and Zong is a terrible place to work with subcontractor level remuneration on top of having to deal with Chinese managers), while the other two or three may have left Pakistan, be unemployed or working in a different field.
 
DW44 said:
All this talk of going abroad for education and returning to serve your country reminds me of my own time at uni. Actually ended up coming back and then... let's just say things happened and mistakes were made. Wouldn't​ recommend it to anyone who values any degree of personal freedom or isn't a complete extremist.
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I am demotivated :( :'(
 
DW44 said:
Up to you really. A foreign degree can be pretty hit and miss in terms of giving you an advantage in Pakistan, some people get it and some don't. I know people who couldn't find jobs two years after coming back. A LUMS grad in Pakistan (do NOT, however, go to IBA. That place is full of poorly socialised idiots) would be much more desirable for most employers than someone who studied abroad unless they went to a top notch school (Ivies, Stanford, MIT, Oxbridge, LSE and Imperial).

The job situation is pretty dire, at least in technical fields unless you're willing to settle for something ridiculous like 15 grands a month because there's very few players in that sector. The influx of Chinese money has also made things worse because they bring their own people from China so there's very few high end jobs, at least for engineers. To give you an example, back in the early 2000s, when Nokia and Ericsson supplied most of Ufone/Telenor/Mobilink's networking equipment, the vendors (Nokia/Ericsson) were staffed almost entirely by Pakistanis except for very high ranking positions like Country Head. They have now been driven out by Huawei and ZTE who fill most technical positions with Chinese engineers, only hiring Pakistanis for low end engineering work and as technicians etc. As CPEC picks up pace, this pattern will repeat in most other sectors(already started in the power sector to some extent) so competition for decent jobs will be even fiercer.

It was stupid on my part to want to "develop Pakistan" but I was lucky to learn my lesson pretty quickly after returning. As for the independence/loneliness business, it depends from person to person. I, for instance, am pretty withdrawn and get easily annoyed if my family calls me more than once every three or four days. At home, I ate in my room because I just prefer being by myself so the independence and freedom suits me. A friend from university, on the other hand, used to go to Pakistan twice a year during our two week Easter and Christmas break because he had a very different relationship with his family, my point being that it depends on the person. This is something you have to decide for yourself based on your own preferences.
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Thanks for the detailed post. Should be really helpful in making the decision easier.

Most of my family, friends, people I know have relocated themselves abroad or are looking to do so (for obvious reasons) but I've tried my hand at living outside Pakistan and frankly, I can't do it, especially with the growing racism for people with brown skin and Muslim sounding names. The world out there is a great place to travel, to have a great vacation or to even spend a couple of years for you job or whatever, but to go there, penniless, jobless, homeless and most importantly alone is certainly not my cup of tea.

But unfortunately, I do see myself studying/working somewhere outside of Pakistan because of the dire job situation in Pakistan. Seriously hoping that improves. I'm considering doing my undergrad in Pakistan and then going abroad for Masters and hopefully I can take my mother with me then - somehow.
 
ExpressPacer said:
Thanks for the detailed post. Should be really helpful in making the decision easier.

Most of my family, friends, people I know have relocated themselves abroad or are looking to do so (for obvious reasons) but I've tried my hand at living outside Pakistan and frankly, I can't do it, especially with the growing racism for people with brown skin and Muslim sounding names. The world out there is a great place to travel, to have a great vacation or to even spend a couple of years for you job or whatever, but to go there, penniless, jobless, homeless and most importantly alone is certainly not my cup of tea.

But unfortunately, I do see myself studying/working somewhere outside of Pakistan because of the dire job situation in Pakistan. Seriously hoping that improves. I'm considering doing my undergrad in Pakistan and then going abroad for Masters and hopefully I can take my mother with me then - somehow.
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Which is why I'm changing my name to one of Grom Hellscream, Cairne Bloodhoof or Illidan Stormrage soon.
 
DW44 said:
Which is why I'm changing my name to one of Grom Hellscream, Cairne Bloodhoof or Illidan Stormrage soon.
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I have a feeling those are names of characters from a movie based on medieval times. :p

Anyway, sure, go ahead. And while you're at it, get a couple of tattoos on your arms. Trust me, it helps. Especially at airports.
 
JaDed said:
Does anyone feel angry all the time coz the hot weather?
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Yes, yes of course. In fact, I love the feeling of being all heated up.

That's why they say that Arabs are hot-headed. Because of the desert. Just look at how much anger and violence occurs in that region.
 
Rayyman said:
Yes, yes of course. In fact, I love the feeling of being all heated up.

That's why they say that Arabs are hot-headed. Because of the desert. Just look at how much anger and violence occurs in that region.
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I don't mean to be offensive but a lot of them are considered as slow(polite word) as well,on a generalizing way,so yeah must be sad if i'm heading that way.
 
Guys how do I swing the bat fast. My bat speed is too low for hardball cricket. What kind of exercise can I do to improve my bat speed ? I pick the length and line easily but have difficulties to executing.
 
Specialisttailender said:
Guys how do I swing the bat fast. My bat speed is too low for hardball cricket. What kind of exercise can I do to improve my bat speed ? I pick the length and line easily but have difficulties to executing.
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Maybe post this in the "my cricket" forum
 
[MENTION=141114]Hasan123[/MENTION], you keep using "there" instead of "their." I've seen you do it 6+ times now. Not sure if it's wrong in British English, but it is in American English.
 
Rayyman said:
[MENTION=141114]Hasan123[/MENTION], you keep using "there" instead of "their." I've seen you do it 6+ times now. Not sure if it's wrong in British English, but it is in American English.
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Grammar Nazi. :misbah3

And yes, using 'there' instead of 'their' is wrong in both British and American English.
 
What are good places to eat non veg food (no beef) in places like Swindon/London? Also what are the best party places in these areas and how are the people over there? Friendly or rude? This is the fist time I'll be travelling to Swindon/London and it's a bit of long term 6 months project so would like to know as much about it as possible..
[MENTION=46929]shaz619[/MENTION] [MENTION=138980]TalentSpotterPk[/MENTION] [MENTION=131867]London_Lahori[/MENTION]
 
I m feeling exhausted today.In this hot weather very difficult to go outside.Ab bas jaldi roza khul jaye intezar nhi ho rha ab
 
big_gamer007 said:
What are good places to eat non veg food (no beef) in places like Swindon/London? Also what are the best party places in these areas and how are the people over there? Friendly or rude? This is the fist time I'll be travelling to Swindon/London and it's a bit of long term 6 months project so would like to know as much about it as possible..
[MENTION=46929]shaz619[/MENTION] [MENTION=138980]TalentSpotterPk[/MENTION] [MENTION=131867]London_Lahori[/MENTION]
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I wouldn't know but hopefully [MENTION=131867]London_Lahori[/MENTION] [MENTION=7898]Gabbar Singh[/MENTION] can point you in the right direction
 
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