The Real Pathan - Yusuf Pathan!

[Hooked _for_6]

What an innings. Measured. Well constructed. Made a 300 plus total look small. And certainly the biggest six I've ever seen - the one that landed on top of the roof.

Well done Yusuf you played well.

If he plays like this in the WC, I don't see anyone getting near India!

 

[insaaniyat]

^ He is on fire

 

[farazaidi]

I remember in 2005, there were threads like Pathan vs Pathan on other forums I visited. Would be a good time now to play India and have another crack at that


Good for India btw, no.7 spot is sealed then and good riddance of Jadeja

 

[hashbb]

Well done yusuf you just did a razzaq!

 

[farazaidi]

Yusuf would be more successful in int'l cricket if he tries to emulate someone like Razzaq or Symonds, instead of trying to be the next Afridi

 

[saeed-sohail]

Always admired Pathan brothers.Coming from humble background and playing for their country is no mean feat.

 

[Pakistani93]

He played a great inning today but it stil dosent change the fact that he is a naqli pathan

 

[saeed-sohail]

And please no real/fake arguments.Chasing 315 with an unbeaten hundred is something so called reals can only dream off.

 

[PB]

The hell, real Pathan? Get out of here Mate
No way in hell is he real.

But that was a pretty good innings

 

[Prince_Pathan]

lol... him being real or fake is for another pathan to decide ) and nobody else...no offence intended

him and irfan are as real as it come...but that is just comming from me...people will say he cant speak pashto etc or whatever...

great innings...

 

[Desi]

The hell, real Pathan? Get out of here Mate
No way in hell is he real.

But that was a pretty good innings

I'd take him over Afridi anyday

 

[thelandofthebravepeople]

lol... him being real or fake is for another pathan to decide ) and nobody else...no offence intended

him and irfan are as real as it come...but that is just comming from me...people will say he cant speak pashto etc or whatever...

great innings...

+1

He is ethnically Pathan so whats the fake and real about? According to me pathans should never forget Pashto but thats what happens when you don't live in your native country.

 

[z2_daredevil]

I'd take him over Afridi anyday

ok, u do that...

 

[Rizie]

 

[PB]

I'd take him over Afridi anyday

Oh Wow, He scores after 25 ODIS, and you want him over Afridi already, talk about a knee jerk reaction..

 

[Boi]

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lulz, I just fell off my chair.

 

[KingKhanWC]

Looks like a good innings but if Kiwis can rack up 300+ it must have been a good batting track. Pathan struggles with pace bowlers usually and I don't think he will be a major threat in the World Cup.

 

[Amir]

Small stadium. Flat wicket. Crap team. Every dog has its day, please with the real pathan crap.

 

[Desi]

Oh Wow, He scores after 25 ODIS, and you want him over Afridi already, talk about a knee jerk reaction..

306 288 18 6431 124 23.81 5676 113.30 6 30 591 280 101 0


i'd actually take a number of players over afridi in 50 over cricket tbh

 

[farazaidi]

I'd take him over Afridi anyday

Ditto!

Or might just keep Afridi at the boundary, leading the the team of cheerleaders. My brother calls him a glorified cheerleader

 

[W63L35]

While everybody is comparing them as players, let me compare their numbers.

YP has played 41 ODIs so far.... but has batted only in 28 innings with 10 not outs. His not out number is very large becuase he genrally batted lower down the order in those 28 innings.

But still.. here is the comparison between their first 28 innings;

       [B] Mat Inns NO   Runs    HS     Ave     BF     SR    100 50   0   4s  6s[/B] 
Afridi   31  28   0    642   102    22.92   521   123.22   1   5   2   62  30 
Pathan   41  28  10    528   123*   29.33   480   110.00   1   2   6   41  25

YP has much better average than Afridi because of his 10 not out... Afridi on the other hand was never NotOut in his first 28 inning.... because he most of the time batted higher batting order. This is how they compare in their first 28 innings;

                [B]Afridi   YP[/B]
1st position      1       -
2nd position     13       -
3rd position      4       -
4th position      -       4
5th position      1       3
 
6th position      2       6
7th position      1      15
8th position      5       -
9th position      1       -

Since YP has been out in 18 inngins so far, I picked first 18 innings in which Afridi has been out.... after excluding YP's notout innings;

 [B]       Mat Inns NO   Runs    HS     Ave     BF     SR    100 50   0   4s  6s[/B] 
Afridi   21  18   0    385   102    21.38   299   128.76   1   1   1   35  20 
Pathan   18  18   0    205    44    11.38   243    84.36   0   0   6   21   6

Draw your own conclusions!


..and oh, by the way, here is how their bowling compares ..for the first 170 or so overs.... since YP has bowled 171.2 overs so far;

    [B]    Mat  Inns   Overs   Mdns  Runs   Wkts   BBI    Ave    Econ   SR    4  5[/B] 
Afridi   22   22    176.5    3    778     23    3/33  33.82   4.39  46.1   0  0 
Pathan   41   34    171.2    1    977     27    3/49  36.18   5.70  38.0   0  0

# Afridi got to bowl 176 overs in his first 22 matches when Pakistan was full of bowling resources...where as YP bowled his 171 overs in 41 matches when their bowling seems to be low on bowling resources. Strange!!! Can anybody try to explain this? I think, the reason could be that Afridi came into the team as a specialist bowler but YP was drafted as batsman who could bowl, if needed.

# Because of above reason, Afridi has much better wicket/ODI ratio.

# YP has better S/R but Afridi has better Econ/Rate.

 

[USaqaf]

Oh Wow, He scores after 25 ODIS, and you want him over Afridi already, talk about a knee jerk reaction..

Afridi scores after 26 ODIs so still Yusuf is a better deal.

 

[KingKhanWC]

Afridi is a far better cricketer than Yousuf, it's a foolish comparison. Most bowlers in the world fear Afridi and most don't fear Yousuf Pathan. Afridi is a far better bowler, fielder and also is a captain.

 

[1137moiz]

I personally rate Afridi well above Pathan--but what a knock

 

[PB]

Afridi faced tougher bowling attacks, on different pitches then the flatbeds Pathan plays on and still couldn't score until today..

 

[saeed-sohail]

Great work W63L35.Similar numbers but real let down with afridi is inability to improve after 300+ games.It's to be seen if yousaf improves with experience.

 

[saeed-sohail]

Afridi faced tougher bowling attacks, on different pitches then the flatbeds Pathan plays on and still couldn't score until today..

Where did afridi score his first hundred?That was what you call flat pitch with small boundaries.

 

[1137moiz]

Where did afridi score his first hundred?That was what you call flat pitch with small boundaries.

Yep. But Pathan has to repeat his feats many times over before he can upstage 'Freedi. Till now he's only had a handful of decent one-day innings

 

[farazaidi]

here comes the fear factor, waiting for the fans to come up that beastly comments now!

I guess I'll just walk out of this thread quitely before things turn ugly. Ciao

 

[PB]

Where did afridi score his first hundred?That was what you call flat pitch with small boundaries.

So what if the boundaries were small..Watch his video..He cleared the boundary with all his sixes..Even if boundaries were bigger, they still would have went for six....And Plus that was his debut innings....Afridi scored his 100 that too the fastest..in his first innings...How long did it take Yusuf? Was he on his debut too? No he wasn't.

 

[Crazy_K]

Can someone change the thread title so we can stop this stupid real pathan debate. Coz it really is quite silly

 

[Desi]

Great work W63L35.Similar numbers but real let down with afridi is inability to improve after 300+ games.It's to be seen if yousaf improves with experience.

endthread

 

[GOAT]

Eh? Whats with the debate, Yusuf Pathan has the "greatest hundred" ever seen by Shane "I Talk Too Much" Warne.

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[saeed-sohail]

Yousaf has some way to go before he has the same sort of impact on ODIs as afridi did at same stage of his career but if yousaf has similar stats without an improvement he won't play hundred games let alone three hundred.

 

[USaqaf]

Afridi bats and captains like a fool, PP pretty much stamped this during the recent series.

 

[Hassan0987]

Haha, not sure if he is the REAL Pathan, but anyways good knock

 

[saeed-sohail]

So what if the boundaries were small..Watch his video..He cleared the boundary with all his sixes..Even if boundaries were bigger, they still would have went for six....And Plus that was his debut innings....Afridi scored his 100 that too the fastest..in his first innings...How long did it take Yusuf? Was he on his debut too? No he wasn't.

Don't twist things you brought flat pitches into this argument and ignored afridi also enjoyed flat pitch and short boundaries in his career.It doesn't matter how far the shots go.Big boundaries put extra pressure on batsmen and they think twice before going big.

 

[rhussain33]

Just keep bowling Pathan short, Wahab, Gul, Akhtar, he wont be hitting no where just in the air to a fielder hopefully.

But yes I wish him to do good against the other teams.

 

[PB]

Don't twist things you brought flat pitches into this argument and ignored afridi also enjoyed flat pitch and short boundaries in his career.It doesn't matter how far the shots go.Big boundaries put extra pressure on batsmen and they think twice before going big.

I don't know how flat pitches were back then, you know better, since your older, and watched matches from back then. But I'm pretty sure, the pitches today are much flater. Afridi faced different kinds of bowling attacks, in his first 28 innings, he faced the likes of, Vaas, Jayasuriya, Muralitharan, Walsh, Ambrose, Bishop, Mcgrath and Warne. Those are the bowlers Afridi had to face in his first 28 innings, and thats why he had that 22 average. He still had the higher strike rate, and more 50's than Yusuf, and that was in the "bowlers era".

Yusuf on the other hand, made his debut in the "batting era". In his first 28 innings faced bowlers like, Kyle Mills, Vettori, Ian O'Brien, Steyn, Parnell, Sohail Tanvir, Abdur Rauf.

The bowlers that Yusuf faced against are much poorer compared to the likes of, Walsh, Ambrose, Mcgrath, Vaas, Murali..

Yusufs average would 11, if it weren't for the Not outs...The only reason his average went up from 22 or 21 I believe? Was because of todays 123..Not Out

So, even when facing easier bowlers, he still isn't better then Afridi

 

[1137moiz]

I don't know how flat pitches were back then, you know better, since your older, and watched matches from back then. But I'm pretty sure, the pitches today are much flater. Afridi faced different kinds of bowling attacks, in his first 28 innings, he faced the likes of, Vaas, Jayasuriya, Muralitharan, Walsh, Ambrose, Bishop, Mcgrath and Warne. Those are the bowlers Afridi had to face in his first 28 innings, and thats why he had that 22 average. He still had the higher strike rate, and more 50's than Yusuf, and that was in the "bowlers era".

Yusuf on the other hand, made his debut in the "batting era". In his first 28 innings faced bowlers like, Kyle Mills, Vettori, Ian O'Brien, Steyn, Parnell, Sohail Tanvir, Abdur Rauf.

The bowlers that Yusuf faced against are much poorer compared to the likes of, Walsh, Ambrose, Mcgrath, Vaas, Murali..

Yusufs average would 11, if it weren't for the Not outs...The only reason his average went up from 22 or 21 I believe? Was because of todays 123..Not Out

So, even when facing easier bowlers, he still isn't better then Afridi

The pitches in that Nairobi series were terribly flat, worse than most of today's pitches. I still think Afridi is better though

 

[PB]

The pitches in that Nairobi series were terribly flat, worse than most of today's pitches. I still think Afridi is better though

He took advantage of it then...And Yusufs played on flatter tracks in his 28 innings, and still couldn't be better then Afridi

 

[insaaniyat]

Oh Wow, He scores after 25 ODIS, and you want him over Afridi already, talk about a knee jerk reaction..

Yousuf Pathan
Batting: Ave 29.33 S/R 110
Bowling: S/R 38.0

Afridi
Batting: Ave 23.81 S/R 113.3
Bowling: S/R 45.5


Apple per apple Yousef Pathan seems to be a better player. What do you see in Afridi's stats to be proud of.

 

[PB]

Yousuf Pathan
Batting: Ave 29.33 S/R 110
Bowling: S/R 38.0

Afridi
Batting: Ave 23.81 S/R 113.3
Bowling: S/R 45.5


Apple per apple Yousef Pathan seems to be a better player. What do you see in Afridi's stats to be proud of.

Afridis maintained that Strike rate from 288 innings, when big hitting was very rare..

While Yusuf when big hitting is very common, its only 110..

And Lol, Do you even watch Afridi bowl?

 

[Prince_Pathan]

+1

He is ethnically Pathan so whats the fake and real about? According to me pathans should never forget Pashto but thats what happens when you don't live in your native country.

exactly i heard their dad is as pathan as itgets from swat valley...they just grew up in a country and were not exposed to pashto really so it isnt their fault at all...

 

[Prince_Pathan]

and can people stop comparing him and afridi...

this thread is about yusuf pathan

NOTTTT shahid afridi

 

[insaaniyat]

Afridis maintained that Strike rate from 288 innings, when big hitting was very rare..

While Yusuf when big hitting is very common, its only 110..

And Lol, Do you even watch Afridi bowl?

ball
Of all this stats you picked the strike rate?) You must be joking. Yusuf takes wicket every 38 balls while Afridi evrey 45 balls

 

[1137moiz]

Afridis maintained that Strike rate from 288 innings, when big hitting was very rare..

While Yusuf when big hitting is very common, its only 110..

And Lol, Do you even watch Afridi bowl?

"only" 110 )

Both are good hitters, end of story

 

[PB]

Of all this stats you picked the strike rate?) You must be joking

Okay, Afridi has no not outs in his 28 innings, while Yusuf has 10...If you take those not outs out, His average drops to 11..Look at W63L35's statistics..

 

[PB]

"only" 110 )

Both are good hitters, end of story

Lol

Agreed
but no way in hell, is Yusuf better then Afridi right now.

 

[insaaniyat]

Lol

Agreed
but no way in hell, is Yusuf better then Afridi right now.

why? Do you have any good stats to backup beside strike rate?

 

[PB]

why? Do you have any good stats to backup beside strike rate?

Look at my post above..

 

[1137moiz]

lol

agreed
but no way in hell, is yusuf better then afridi right now.

 

[philhunter]

Has Afridi made any 100 chasing 300 plus score against anybody

 

[insaaniyat]

Look at my post above..

I gave you the styats did you look at it?

 

[1137moiz]

why? Do you have any good stats to backup beside strike rate?

Insaaniyat what is it with you and spewing hatred against random players? A year ago it was YK, now it's Afridi

 

[insaaniyat]

Insaaniyat what is it with you and spewing hatred against random players? A year ago it was YK, now it's Afridi

I am justy stating the fact my friend, no hate for anyone. Stats don't lie

 

[1137moiz]

I am justy stating the fact my friend, no hate for anyone. Stats don't lie

So two days ago you would've admitted Afridi was better than Pathan?

 

[PB]

So two days ago you would've admitted Afridi was better than Pathan?

LoooooL..

 

[PB]

I gave you the styats did you look at it?

Yes

 

[insaaniyat]

So two days ago you would've admitted Afridi was better than Pathan?

na, I have always rated Yusuf better than him. If it was harbajan may be

 

[AnotherIndian]

The hell, real Pathan? Get out of here Mate
No way in hell is he real.

But that was a pretty good innings

How do you know that he is not a real Pathan?

Explain!!!

 

[PB]

How do you know that he is not a real Pathan?

Explain!!!

Doesn't know Pashto

 

[deviously~fading~away]

Only in Pakistan can a comparison be made between Yusuf (who was on the verge of been dropped had he not performed today) and Afridi (who is your countrys captain!)

 

[insaaniyat]

Doesn't know Pashto

good one

 

[AnotherIndian]

Doesn't know Pashto

In that case 99% Pastuns outside of that small area (Afghan/Pak border) cannot speak Pashto.

If my kids dont speak Hindi, will they not be ethnically North Indian?

Your argument that Yusuf does not speak Pashto is dumb.

 

[PB]

In that case 99% Pastuns outside of that small area (Afghan/Pak border) cannot speak Pashto.

If my kids dont speak Hindi, will they not be ethnically North Indian?

Your argument that Yusuf does not speak Pashto is dumb.

Its not my argument its 's Argument

 

[W63L35]

Great work W63L35.Similar numbers but real let down with afridi is inability to improve after 300+ games.It's to be seen if yousaf improves with experience.

Thanks!

Inability to improve where? He was a bowler... and he still is one of best bowlers in ODIs and T20s.

5th highest wicket taking spinner in ODIs;

http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/en...ickets;size=200;template=results;type=bowling



Highest wicket taker in T20 - Spinner or Pacer;

http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/en...ickets;size=200;template=results;type=bowling

 

[AnotherIndian]

Its not my argument its 's Argument

Ahh!!!

Sorry mate. If Afridi says so, then it must be true.

 

[Prince_Pathan]

Doesn't know Pashto

sorry man...only another pathan can decide whether he is a pathan or not nobody else can pass that judgement on him...i mentioned it before and ill say it again...i dont meanany offence by it either...

 

[insaaniyat]

Great work W63L35.Similar numbers but real let down with afridi is inability to improve after 300+ games.It's to be seen if yousaf improves with experience.

well said

 

[PB]

sorry man...only another pathan can decide whether he is a pathan or not nobody else can pass that judgement on him...i mentioned it before and ill say it again...i dont meanany offence by it either...

Those are not my words, those are the words of the real Pathan. .

Should have put it in quotes...My Bad.

 

[Prince_Pathan]

In that case 99% Pastuns outside of that small area (Afghan/Pak border) cannot speak Pashto.

If my kids dont speak Hindi, will they not be ethnically North Indian?

Your argument that Yusuf does not speak Pashto is dumb.

what you on about...nearly every pathan is thought pashto...only the ones in india dont apart from feroz khan and his family actively speak it...and salman khans dad...that is about it though...

the area is pretty extensive and leads into afghanistan too...so small area is a moderately large one

but i agree about the pashto bit though...they should speak it but if they dont we are nobody to judge

 

[Prince_Pathan]

Those are not my words, those are the words of the real Pathan. .

Should have put it in quotes...My Bad.

afridi has been quoted as saying yusuf pathan is not a real pathan??

 

[Prince_Pathan]

baaah....why does every pathan /afghan thread lead to this ****...

can we not just say good innings then get out of the thread lol...

 

[PB]

afridi has been quoted as saying yusuf pathan is not a real pathan??

There was a video, where Afridi says to Harsha Bhogle, that Irfan Pathan isn't a real Pathan because he doesn't know Pashto.

Irfan and Yusuf are half brothers...

 

[Prince_Pathan]

fair enuf...afridi is as pathan as they come

the bigger and more honourable one is younus though so until he says it i will hold my breath

 

[in_cutter]

 

[Romali_rotti]

YP has major issues vs the short ball, bowl short and he will be out in no time regardless it was a good innings. Both Afridi & Pathan = CRAP with decent performances occasionally....Also who the F**** Cares if they are a Pathan or not, outside of Pakistan and Afghanistan you talk about Pathan's and you will get responses like these; Who ?? Care Factor ???..................

 

[Kray_jackson7]

) ) )

Amazing work haters. keep it up


Talking about comparisons, new zealand number 3 jamie how. He is a much better ODI player then YK

 

[insaaniyat]

YP has major issues vs the short ball, bowl short and he will be out in no time regardless it was a good innings. Both Afridi & Pathan = CRAP with decent performances occasionally....Also who the F**** Cares if they are a Pathan or not, outside of Pakistan and Afghanistan you talk about Pathan's and you will get responses like these; Who ?? Care Factor ???..................

You summed it up pretty good. I still would say Afridi is worse CRAP than YP.