The Rishabh Pant thread

[hoshiarpurexpress]

Pant has already won a test series for India in Aus where the real teams of these pseudo fans are routinely violated.

With a bit of luck, he will also win a WC for India and retire as an ATG keeper from all formats of the game.

Even then something will be found to criticise like his average has 45 not 50+.. he catches balls in reverse etc etc etc with a fake concern about his fitness and he should not IPL wagerah wagerah

 

[Pakhs]

Pant has already won a test series for India in Aus where the real teams of these pseudo fans are routinely violated.

With a bit of luck, he will also win a WC for India and retire as an ATG keeper from all formats of the game.

Even then something will be found to criticise like his average has 45 not 50+.. he catches balls in reverse etc etc etc with a fake concern about his fitness and he should not IPL wagerah wagerah

Lol he is not as good as you guys are making it out. This will be found out over the course of his career which is just starting. With his current level of keeping he will be lucky to play for next 10 years for team like India because as soon as his batting form drop questions will be asked of his keeping again and India is always likely to produce another keeper to give him competition.

 

[hoshiarpurexpress]

Lol he is not as good as you guys are making it out. This will be found out over the course of his career which is just starting. With his current level of keeping he will be lucky to play for next 10 years for team like India because as soon as his batting form drop questions will be asked of his keeping again and India is always likely to produce another keeper to give him competition.

Sounds more like a wish then fact based.
The thing is, Batsmen in India are not rated highly just at random. One thing we know is how to nurture and produce world class batsmen. So if someone like Rahul Dravid and Ganguly and Kohli and Rohit and Ashwin, all ATGs believe in his ability then so do we. Add to that the support system.
Even Prithvi Shaw will be backed to hilt and will make a comeback.
Failures are just part of the process.

 

[Pakhs]

Sounds more like a wish then fact based.
The thing is, Batsmen in India are not rated highly just at random. One thing we know is how to nurture and produce world class batsmen. So if someone like Rahul Dravid and Ganguly and Kohli and Rohit and Ashwin, all ATGs believe in his ability then so do we. Add to that the support system.
Even Prithvi Shaw will be backed to hilt and will make a comeback.
Failures are just part of the process.

I got no wishes, But currently he is the worst keeper India has and only in the team due to his batting.

 

[hoshiarpurexpress]

I got no wishes, But currently he is the worst keeper India has and only in the team due to his batting.

Did you see his keeping in last test match against spinners.
His keeping is fine against Fast bowlers, and needs to improve against
Spinners.
But yeah he is not only the worst keeper India has, but wicket keeping wise he is worse than all the other international teams wicketkeeper presently.
So, he has to improve a lot in that.

But he also has a record in his name, so he can learn improve for sure.

"Indian wicketkeeper-batsman Rishabh Pant equalled a world record during the first Test of the Test series against Australia with the eleventh catch that he took. The 21-year-old equalled the record of Jack Russell and AB de Villiers, both of whom had taken 11 catches "

 

[Pakhs]

Did you see his keeping in last test match against spinners.
His keeping is fine against Fast bowlers, and needs to improve against
Spinners.
But yeah he is not only the worst keeper India has, but wicket keeping wise he is worse than all the other international teams wicketkeeper presently.
So, he has to improve a lot in that.

But he also has a record in his name, so he can learn improve for sure.

"Indian wicketkeeper-batsman Rishabh Pant equalled a world record during the first Test of the Test series against Australia with the eleventh catch that he took. The 21-year-old equalled the record of Jack Russell and AB de Villiers, both of whom had taken 11 catches "

He will never be a world class keeper because he is not a natural keeper so for him to have a long career he must keep his batting average above 40 at a minimum. He will never be a keeper who will go through seasons without missing any chances, He will have some good matches and bad when it comes to catches.

He is not over rated because I myself will have him in the team on current form. But how long for we dont know.. If we compare him with Dhoni who also not looked great with his keeping but never missed many chances at all so his keeping was never in doubt in that sense.

 

[hoshiarpurexpress]

He will never be a world class keeper because he is not a natural keeper so for him to have a long career he must keep his batting average above 40 at a minimum. He will never be a keeper who will go through seasons without missing any chances, He will have some good matches and bad when it comes to catches.

He is not over rated because I myself will have him in the team on current form. But how long for we dont know.. If we compare him with Dhoni who also not looked great with his keeping but never missed many chances at all so his keeping was never in doubt in that sense.

Name one keeper who has not dropped a chance. It is a statistical impossibility.
We should never compare a 23 year old with someone like Dhoni.
Even Dhoni missed a few chances here and there and was called an ugly and unnatural wicketkeeper when he started. He got preference over Dinesh Karthik because of his batting skills.

Adam Gilchrist, a bit inferior keeper to Ian Healy and Australia even had better keepers then Adam in their State Teams(you can read it up on his Wikipedia page), but still he was preferred and backed.

I am not at all comparing Pant with these two legends, but Pant has 3 FC Triple hundreds, he was one of the top scorers in U-19 WC which India lost to WI. So he can bat and bat long.
Now what is a natural keeper ? Natural fast bowler I understand but natural keeper ?
Wicketkeeping is a practice and repetition based skill like batting which requires focus and can be learnt.

 

[OMB]

He will never be a world class keeper because he is not a natural keeper so for him to have a long career he must keep his batting average above 40 at a minimum. He will never be a keeper who will go through seasons without missing any chances, He will have some good matches and bad when it comes to catches.

He is not over rated because I myself will have him in the team on current form. But how long for we dont know.. If we compare him with Dhoni who also not looked great with his keeping but never missed many chances at all so his keeping was never in doubt in that sense.

Fine. Looks like he has focussed more on his batting than his keeping in his under19 years. I don't know about natural wicketkeeper but certain that he will get chance to develop now that BCCI will show faith in him

 

[Pakhs]

Name one keeper who has not dropped a chance. It is a statistical impossibility.
We should never compare a 23 year old with someone like Dhoni.
Even Dhoni missed a few chances here and there and was called an ugly and unnatural wicketkeeper when he started. He got preference over Dinesh Karthik because of his batting skills.

Adam Gilchrist, a bit inferior keeper to Ian Healy and Australia even had better keepers then Adam in their State Teams(you can read it up on his Wikipedia page), but still he was preferred and backed.

I am not at all comparing Pant with these two legends, but Pant has 3 FC Triple hundreds, he was one of the top scorers in U-19 WC which India lost to WI. So he can bat and bat long.
Now what is a natural keeper ? Natural fast bowler I understand but natural keeper ?
Wicketkeeping is a practice and repetition based skill like batting which requires focus and can be learnt.

Natural keep is like faokes.. Keeping is relatively easier skill so Pant can do it but he will never be as good as a natural keeper. Not denying Pants batting ability thats why he is in the team for in the first place.

 

[leg-side-flick]

Lol he is not as good as you guys are making it out. This will be found out over the course of his career which is just starting. With his current level of keeping he will be lucky to play for next 10 years for team like India because as soon as his batting form drop questions will be asked of his keeping again and India is always likely to produce another keeper to give him competition.

If India finds a better keeper batsman then we should discard Pant and move onto the next best thing for team. That's true for all players btw...

How many keeper batsmen have played for 10 years across formats.. There will be a handful globally, Why keep the benchmark so high for Pant, let him play series by series...

Posters here want Rishabh pant to

1) Bat at an avg of > 40

2) Not drop catches / stumpings

3) Open the batting ( dumb poster)

4) Not play IPL ( because hey I like to pretend I like tests and hence have to hate IPL)

This is not all, there is one more

He should not give chances to opposing team while batting, if he does and they don't take them, then it will still be counted against him..

 

[Pakhs]

If India finds a better keeper batsman then we should discard Pant and move onto the next best thing for team. That's true for all players btw...

How many keeper batsmen have played for 10 years across formats.. There will be a handful globally, Why keep the benchmark so high for Pant, let him play series by series...

Posters here want Rishabh pant to

1) Bat at an avg of > 40

2) Not drop catches / stumpings

3) Open the batting ( dumb poster)

4) Not play IPL ( because hey I like to pretend I like tests and hence have to hate IPL)

This is not all, there is one more

He should not give chances to opposing team while batting, if he does and they don't take them, then it will still be counted against him..

Well we are talking about India so we need to talk about how he can sustain this position for 10 year currently I dont believe India can go 10 years with his level of keeping that never happened before. Personally I believe his batting average over a long period of time would be around 38-40 but currently its 45 which is why he is keeping his place in the team despite missing chances and not even getting criticized.

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

If India finds a better keeper batsman then we should discard Pant and move onto the next best thing for team. That's true for all players btw...

How many keeper batsmen have played for 10 years across formats.. There will be a handful globally, Why keep the benchmark so high for Pant, let him play series by series...

Posters here want Rishabh pant to

1) Bat at an avg of > 40

2) Not drop catches / stumpings

3) Open the batting ( dumb poster)

4) Not play IPL ( because hey I like to pretend I like tests and hence have to hate IPL)

This is not all, there is one more

He should not give chances to opposing team while batting, if he does and they don't take them, then it will still be counted against him..

Before crying here and blaming others for setting the high benchmark you should actually read the posts in this thread and find out posters who were calling him Gilly 2.0 and better than Sehwag.

1. You should blame those who were overhyping him to be a 50+ averaging batsman.

2. Has dropped almost 13-14 catches in his test career so far. I shared an article above. Read it before jumping on me.

3. Once again you should find those idiots who were comparing him with Sehwag and even called him better than him.

4. Don't be like this. Quote the poster(me) directly here and discuss rather than posting like a coward.

Your post is a perfect example of f@nboyism. It seems Pant is already like a God for you and he is way above criticism. I mean you and others are so blind that you can't even accept that he is an average wicketkeeper.

 

[Romali_rotti]

Well we are talking about India so we need to talk about how he can sustain this position for 10 year currently I dont believe India can go 10 years with his level of keeping that never happened before. Personally I believe his batting average over a long period of time would be around 38-40 but currently its 45 which is why he is keeping his place in the team despite missing chances and not even getting criticized.

Still waiting on the 2 dropped catches per match proof as per your claim

 

[Indiafan]

Before crying here and blaming others for setting the high benchmark you should actually read the posts in this thread and find out posters who were calling him Gilly 2.0 and better than Sehwag.

1. You should blame those who were overhyping him to be a 50+ averaging batsman.

2. Has dropped almost 13-14 catches in his test career so far. I shared an article above. Read it before jumping on me.

3. Once again you should find those idiots who were comparing him with Sehwag and even called him better than him.

4. Don't be like this. Quote the poster(me) directly here and discuss rather than posting like a coward.

Your post is a perfect example of f@nboyism. It seems Pant is already like a God for you and he is way above criticism. I mean you and others are so blind that you can't even accept that he is an average wicketkeeper.

Dhoni dropped similar amount fo catches in early career and was on the verge of being dropped because he couldn't keep to Kumble. We have Dhonis own words for ot

Dude once again, why the pretense of being Indian? You have been exposed big time here. Of course you wouldn't want an Indian player with such potential to do well. But best thong was when you were pretending to be a big test cricket fan and then you attack someone who orchestrated our biggest overseas test series win. Any true test cricket fan would worship such a guy and be a fan of him instead of attacking him

 

[Ab Fan]

18 tests:-

1)Two tours to Australia
2) One tour to England
3) One tour to New Zealand

He averages 45 after these tough tours and people over here still have the audacity to criticize a player lik this. There won't be more delusional people than these guys anywhere in the world.

 

[MP2011]

Hope Pant has a grand English tour later this year. Will haters then get off his back?

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

Dhoni dropped similar amount fo catches in early career and was on the verge of being dropped because he couldn't keep to Kumble. We have Dhonis own words for ot

Dude once again, why the pretense of being Indian? You have been exposed big time here. Of course you wouldn't want an Indian player with such potential to do well. But best thong was when you were pretending to be a big test cricket fan and then you attack someone who orchestrated our biggest overseas test series win. Any true test cricket fan would worship such a guy and be a fan of him instead of attacking him

Calm down. You are not worshipping him you are literally licking his boots here. There is no need to cross your line just because I don't do such things to your favorite player. You keep questionning my identity instead of giving a logical answers. These are the signs of a pretty weak individual. Quote me when you have something useful to say because right now you are posting like a toddler.

 

[Pakhs]

Still waiting on the 2 dropped catches per match proof as per your claim

Not two drops two missed chances per match. I think there was someon else who already gave you his stats which were worst among all other active international keepers.

Its not exciting enough for me to waste time and dig up stats as its very clear to me he is the worst keeper available currently in international cricket as was out of team for this very reason with Saha preferred. But ofcourse he forced his way into the team as a proper batsman who is averaging 45.

 

[Pakhs]

18 tests:-

1)Two tours to Australia
2) One tour to England
3) One tour to New Zealand

He averages 45 after these tough tours and people over here still have the audacity to criticize a player lik this. There won't be more delusional people than these guys anywhere in the world.

Who is criticizing his batting?

 

[Pakhs]

Hope Pant has a grand English tour later this year. Will haters then get off his back?

Last time he had a torrid time it would be a good test to see if his keeping has actually improved.

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

18 tests:-

1)Two tours to Australia
2) One tour to England
3) One tour to New Zealand

He averages 45 after these tough tours and people over here still have the audacity to criticize a player lik this. There won't be more delusional people than these guys anywhere in the world.

He did nothing in New Zealand and will be tested in England this time. His hundred in England last time came in a dead rubber which we lost. Even KL Rahul scored a century in that match and did nothing in the series against West Indies. He was dropped after that and he isn't a regular in this team.

Also calm down before you call others delusional here. These are Pant's away stats :

Aus : 62 (pretty good)
Eng : 27
NZ : 15
West Indies :19

You want people to ignore his stats in other countries? He has a lot to prove and improve in these countries. Not everyone will worship humans in this world.

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

Who is criticizing his batting?

Why are you afraid of doing it? Just because he had a good tour in Australia he conquered all countries and can't be criticised? He still has to prove himself in Eng, Africa, NZ and West Indies. What's the big deal? If he plays well he will do that but why can't others criticise him until he does that. Yes you can't criticise his performances in South Africa because he is yet to play there but in other countries where he played, his performances can be questionned.

His away stats:

Aus : 62 (pretty good)
Eng : 27
NZ : 15
West Indies :19

 

[Ab Fan]

Who is criticizing his batting?

His batting is too good to criticize him for anything else. Whatever extra he is giving, it is beneficial for team.

All said and done, he is the only Asian batsman to have played a standout role in a test series victory in Australia. That is a massive massive achievement, probably as good as winning a World Cup.

 

[Romali_rotti]

Its not exciting enough for me to waste time and dig up stats

In other words you have zero proof to back up your claim.. That someone else advised he has dropped around 13 catches through out his career so far, he has played about 18 test matches. That does not equate to; 2 dropped catches per match.. Maybe you don't know mathematics ?

 

[Pakhs]

His batting is too good to criticize him for anything else. Whatever extra he is giving, it is beneficial for team.

All said and done, he is the only Asian batsman to have played a standout role in a test series victory in Australia. That is a massive massive achievement, probably as good as winning a World Cup.

K Perera is the only Asian Batsmen to have contributed in a test series win in SA maybe he is better than even Sachin who couldn't in 6 attempts? Actually it was not even just contribution it was all him. His innings was the best innings ever played by any batsmen in SENA countries.

Now please stop with such stupid logic, one or two innings however good will not make a career not in an established team like India. I would be surprised if he goes on to play for another 10 years with his current level of keeping skills as soon as he suffers a batting slump / loss of form his place will come under pressure.

 

[Ab Fan]

Why are you afraid of doing it? Just because he had a good tour in Australia he conquered all countries and can't be criticised? He still has to prove himself in Eng, Africa, NZ and West Indies. What's the big deal? If he plays well he will do that but why can't others criticise him until he does that. Yes you can't criticise his performances in South Africa because he is yet to play there but in other countries where he played, his performances can be questionned.

His away stats:

Aus : 62 (pretty good)
Eng : 27
NZ : 15
West Indies :19

Babar Azam is hailed as the next big thing and for some, a couple of months ago, he already removed Joe Root from the part of fab four based on these performances:-

Australia 36
South Africa 36
New Zealand 47( good)
West Indies 27
England 65( but no great knock to remember)

And he doesn't keep wickets so he is playing as specialist batsman.

If you are not delusional, you can see there is no reason to criticize him but actually plenty of reasons to hype him. But if you are delusional enough, then kya hi kahe fir...

 

[Pakhs]

In other words you have zero proof to back up your claim.. That someone else advised he has dropped around 13 catches through out his career so far, he has played about 18 test matches. That does not equate to; 2 dropped catches per match.. Maybe you don't know mathematics ?

Thats 13 catches plus missed chance would make maybe even more than 2.. but like I said no need to waste time and dig up stats for something that is really known.

 

[Pakhs]

Why are you afraid of doing it? Just because he had a good tour in Australia he conquered all countries and can't be criticised? He still has to prove himself in Eng, Africa, NZ and West Indies. What's the big deal? If he plays well he will do that but why can't others criticise him until he does that. Yes you can't criticise his performances in South Africa because he is yet to play there but in other countries where he played, his performances can be questionned.

His away stats:

Aus : 62 (pretty good)
Eng : 27
NZ : 15
West Indies :19

For a keeper batsman its enough.. But only if his keeping improves and thats why if he does not improve his keeping I cant see how he will have a long career for India.

 

[Romali_rotti]

Not two drops two missed chances per match.

Yes, you are correct you did not say 2 dropped catches.

However 2 missed chances per match is ever more Ludacris, if true Pant is probably the worst wicket keeper in India or anywhere for that matter right now as far as keeping goes.

Come on

Back it up, show the proof or you are just talking lies.

 

[Romali_rotti]

but like I said no need to waste time and dig up stats for something that is really known.

Like I said, you are lying

 

[Pakhs]

Yes, you are correct you did not say 2 dropped catches.

However 2 missed chances per match is ever more Ludacris, if true Pant is probably the worst wicket keeper in India or anywhere for that matter right now as far as keeping goes.

Come on

Back it up, show the proof or you are just talking lies.

He is the worst keeper in India and international cricket at present among top 6 nations atleast. Its his batting average which currently stands at 45 which is keeping him in the team and blinding fans like you.

As soon as that average drops to below 40 you will the first one asking for a keeper who is more solid behind stumps. There was a reason why he was dropped after England tour.

 

[Ab Fan]

K Perera is the only Asian Batsmen to have contributed in a test series win in SA maybe he is better than even Sachin who couldn't in 6 attempts? Actually it was not even just contribution it was all him. His innings was the best innings ever played by any batsmen in SENA countries.

Now please stop with such stupid logic, one or two innings however good will not make a career not in an established team like India. I would be surprised if he goes on to play for another 10 years with his current level of keeping skills as soon as he suffers a batting slump / loss of form his place will come under pressure.

Rishabh Pant:-

159* vs Australia
114 vs England
97 vs Australia
89* vs Australia
91 vs England

Kindly mention 5 top knocks of Kusal Perera.

 

[Romali_rotti]

He is the worst keeper in India and international cricket at present among top 6 nations atleast. Its his batting average which currently stands at 45 which is keeping him in the team and blinding fans like you.

As soon as that average drops to below 40 you will the first one asking for a keeper who is more solid behind stumps. There was a reason why he was dropped after England tour.

So where the proof he misses 2 chances per match ?

 

[Pakhs]

Rishabh Pant:-

159* vs Australia
114 vs England
97 vs Australia
89* vs Australia
91 vs England

Kindly mention 5 top knocks of Kusal Perera.

So two 100s? How many Kusal Parera has? Pant is averaging 45 with the bat good but not good enough to play simply as a batsmen in Indian team so he must keep wickets to stay in the side.

So his batting wont compensate for him in the long run, In any case i am not saying he is not a good batsman he is but his keeping must improve if he wants to have a long career for India.

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

Babar Azam is hailed as the next big thing and for some, a couple of months ago, he already removed Joe Root from the part of fab four based on these performances:-

Australia 36
South Africa 36
New Zealand 47( good)
West Indies 27
England 65( but no great knock to remember)

And he doesn't keep wickets so he is playing as specialist batsman.

If you are not delusional, you can see there is no reason to criticize him but actually plenty of reasons to hype him. But if you are delusional enough, then kya hi kahe fir...

This thread is about Pant not Babar Azam just because you don't have anything to debate regarding his performances in other countries you randomly brought Babar Azam (who is from a minnow test team according to most of Indians here) into discussion. Ab kya hi kahe fir....

 

[Pakhs]

So where the proof he misses 2 chances per match ?

if you are so blind or not been following cricket dig it up yourself or start counting.

 

[ex-q-zit]

Lol he is not as good as you guys are making it out. This will be found out over the course of his career which is just starting. With his current level of keeping he will be lucky to play for next 10 years for team like India because as soon as his batting form drop questions will be asked of his keeping again and India is always likely to produce another keeper to give him competition.

Just like how Pak fans feel Babar Azam is almost as good as the Fab 4 and will improve in future most Indian fans are hopeful that Rishabh will do for India what MSD did over the years. He is only 23 and given the immense pressure of filling up MSD's shoes he has done well to cope with the pressure. In his brief career of 2 years he has seen both the highs and lows. He is only bound to improve from here as was evident by his keeping in the 2nd test. He has already done what no other keeper batsman from india has done and that is scoring centuries in aus and england. So give him and yourself some time and see how he will perform.

 

[Romali_rotti]

if you are so blind or not been following cricket dig it up yourself or start counting.

You made the claim, back it up

 

[Pakhs]

Just like how Pak fans feel Babar Azam is almost as good as the Fab 4 and will improve in future most Indian fans are hopeful that Rishabh will do for India what MSD did over the years. He is only 23 and given the immense pressure of filling up MSD's shoes he has done well to cope with the pressure. In his brief career of 2 years he has seems both the highs and lows. He is only bound to improve from here as was evident by his keeping in the 2nd test. He has already done what no other keeper batsman from india has done and that is scoring centuries in aus and england. So give him and yourself some time and see how he will perform.

So when did I say not give him time or he does not deserve his place in the team? But until his keeping improves he s mostly a batsman who keeps and should not be compared to someone like faokes or Rizwan who a proper keepers and can bat as well.

As a batsman alone Pant is good but not good enough to play in Indian team just as a batsman so must improve his keeping over time.

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

For a keeper batsman its enough.. But only if his keeping improves and thats why if he does not improve his keeping I cant see how he will have a long career for India.

For that he has to improve his keeping. If doesn't then he will have to become a specialist batsman, hope for opposition to drop his catches and average around 42-45 in a team like India. Looking at his average in other countries so far it won't be too easy in my opinion. Let's see how he does in England this time.

 

[Pakhs]

You made the claim, back it up

My claim is based on my observation watching him keep and his poor keeping is well documented by most experts as well. So its you who needs to bring up some stats to show not only us but experts that he is a good keeper.

 

[Ab Fan]

This thread is about Pant not Babar Azam just because you don't have anything to debate regarding his performances in other countries you randomly brought Babar Azam (who is from a minnow test team according to most of Indians here) into discussion. Ab kya hi kahe fir....

A reference always helps I guess. Most Indian fans acknowledge Babar as world class.

 

[Pakhs]

For that he has to improve his keeping. If doesn't then he will have to become a specialist batsman, hope for opposition to drop his catches and average around 42-45 in a team like India. Looking at his average in other countries so far it won't be too easy in my opinion. Let's see how he does in England this time.

Yes we will see how he goes in future.. But so far he does not look as good as Dhoni for me.

 

[Romali_rotti]

My claim is based on my observation watching him keep and his poor keeping is well documented by most experts as well. So its you who needs to bring up some stats to show not only us but experts that he is a good keeper.

Another lie, you watched all complete 18 games he played ? Oh Please.

Now

Back it up.....

 

[Pakhs]

Another lie, you watched all complete 18 games he played ? Oh Please.

Now

Back it up.....

Yes I have specially highlights. Now its up to you to prove us all wrong by bring up stats that he did not miss two chances per game.

 

[Romali_rotti]

Yes I have specially highlights. Now its up to you to prove us all wrong by bring up stats that he did not miss two chances per game.

Ok, now back up your original claim :

 

[MenInG]

Ok, now back up your original claim :

Think we dont need more of these posts - its getting repetitive.

 

[ex-q-zit]

So when did I say not give him time or he does not deserve his place in the team? But until his keeping improves he s mostly a batsman who keeps and should not be compared to someone like faokes or Rizwan who a proper keepers and can bat as well.

As a batsman alone Pant is good but not good enough to play in Indian team just as a batsman so must improve his keeping over time.

"Lol he is not as good as you guys are making it out. This will be found out over the course of his career which is just starting. With his current level of keeping he will be lucky to play for next 10 years for team like India because as soon as his batting form drop questions will be asked of his keeping again and India is always likely to produce another keeper to give him competition."

These were your words. He has just started his cricketing career and you have already written his obituary predicting his failure. Then you say when did you say did not give him time. His keeping graph is going upwards and in time he will improve as he gains experience.

 

[jeeteshssaxena]

Babar Azam is hailed as the next big thing and for some, a couple of months ago, he already removed Joe Root from the part of fab four based on these performances:-

Australia 36
South Africa 36
New Zealand 47( good)
West Indies 27
England 65( but no great knock to remember)

And he doesn't keep wickets so he is playing as specialist batsman.

If you are not delusional, you can see there is no reason to criticize him but actually plenty of reasons to hype him. But if you are delusional enough, then kya hi kahe fir...

Kane Williamson's avg
Sa - 21
Eng 30
Ind 35
Srl - 26

And he is a specialist batsman.
Avg 35+ away from home is more than enough for a wicketkeeper.
Dhoni avgd 30 .

 

[Hasan123]

Kane Williamson's avg
Sa - 21
Eng 30
Ind 35
Srl - 26

And he is a specialist batsman.
Avg 35+ away from home is more than enough for a wicketkeeper.
Dhoni avgd 30 .

It’s ridiculous how Kane Williamson gets no stick for such pathetic records. I get he is a nice guy but when I see people talk about how great he is against all types of bowling then think of these figures I just realise people pick and choose which stats they want to talk about depending on the player. If that was Kohli or Root with that record, I’m certain they would be criticised for it.

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

It’s ridiculous how Kane Williamson gets no stick for such pathetic records. I get he is a nice guy but when I see people talk about how great he is against all types of bowling then think of these figures I just realise people pick and choose which stats they want to talk about depending on the player. If that was Kohli or Root with that record, I’m certain they would be criticised for it.

You don't see any NZ fans here calling him great or hyping him to the moon as much as Indians/Pakistani fans do to their players. I don't think their fans and players even care about these tags. They play it as a sport and move on from it after they retire contrary to Indian/Pakistani players who want to stay relevant even after getting retired.

 

[Ab Fan]

Kane Williamson's avg
Sa - 21
Eng 30
Ind 35
Srl - 26

And he is a specialist batsman.
Avg 35+ away from home is more than enough for a wicketkeeper.
Dhoni avgd 30 .

Plenty of questions to answer

Can we have one for Gilchrist too? He averages 25 in India in my opinion but will surely re-check

 

[Hasan123]

You don't see any NZ fans here calling him great or hyping him to the moon as much as Indians/Pakistani fans do to their players. I don't think their fans and players even care about these tags. They play it as a sport and move on from it after they retire contrary to Indian/Pakistani players who want to stay relevant even after getting retired.

It’s more the media and analysts who hype Williamson but never mention his poor record in other countries. I can remember after Kohli failed in England in 2014, it was brought up a lot. Other than PP posters I rarely see an analyst discuss Williamson poor record in those countries.

I like Williamson, but he really needs to do better in India,England, and South Africa.

 

[Hyperion66]

It’s ridiculous how Kane Williamson gets no stick for such pathetic records. I get he is a nice guy but when I see people talk about how great he is against all types of bowling then think of these figures I just realise people pick and choose which stats they want to talk about depending on the player. If that was Kohli or Root with that record, I’m certain they would be criticised for it.

Exactly why I have never rated Kane as high as Kohli, Smith and Root. He is good but not that good.

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

Plenty of questions to answer

Can we have one for Gilchrist too? He averages 25 in India in my opinion but will surely re-check

Not sure why are you guys bringing stats of other players here? This is not a comparison thread between Pant and others. You guys have set the ceiling so high for Pant. Some even said that he is a 50+ averaging batsman now it doesn't look good if you bring stats of other players into picture and say 'even an average of 35 is good for a wicketkeeper batsman'. His stats in other countries are not that good. He has a lot to improve before fans start worshipping him.

 

[Smbhayi]

Natural keep is like faokes.. Keeping is relatively easier skill so Pant can do it but he will never be as good as a natural keeper. Not denying Pants batting ability thats why he is in the team for in the first place.

Keeping is not easier to master, otherwise we'll see lot of great keepers..

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

Keeping is not easier to master, otherwise we'll see lot of great keepers..

What's wrong in trying other keepers? If Pant is that good as a batsman he can play as a specialist in the team and survive. Why can't we try KS Bharat next as a keeper? Saha is old anyway.

 

[Ab Fan]

Not sure why are you guys bringing stats of other players here? This is not a comparison thread between Pant and others. You guys have set the ceiling so high for Pant. Some even said that he is a 50+ averaging batsman now it doesn't look good if you bring stats of other players into picture and say 'even an average of 35 is good for a wicketkeeper batsman'. His stats in other countries are not that good. He has a lot to improve before fans start worshipping him.

Williamson, Babar, Warner, Pujara all these batsman are world class standards but if you look at their records, they also have similar kind of discrepancy. Point is you can find discrepancy in anyone's stats even if he is a world class batsman. Someone like Rahul Dravid has poor stats in Aus, SA and SL but this doesn't mean he was not great.

Pant has played only 18 tests and mostly played tough away tours and already delivered some great performances. So, I don't think the idea that he has a lot to improve works in his case. He is doing great now and he just needs to maintain it. You may say the same for someone like Rahane or for Rohit that he need to improve overseas.

 

[Indiafan]

Not sure why are you guys bringing stats of other players here? This is not a comparison thread between Pant and others. You guys have set the ceiling so high for Pant. Some even said that he is a 50+ averaging batsman now it doesn't look good if you bring stats of other players into picture and say 'even an average of 35 is good for a wicketkeeper batsman'. His stats in other countries are not that good. He has a lot to improve before fans start worshipping him.

If you judge dravid, laxman, sehwag by same parameter of success in every country I agree. Otherwise I call you a hypocrite.

All those batsmen are considered great despite being average in some countries

P.S. I love how the goal posts keep moving and moving. This is what happens when someone argues in bad faith

 

[jeeteshssaxena]

It’s ridiculous how Kane Williamson gets no stick for such pathetic records. I get he is a nice guy but when I see people talk about how great he is against all types of bowling then think of these figures I just realise people pick and choose which stats they want to talk about depending on the player. If that was Kohli or Root with that record, I’m certain they would be criticised for it.

Kane Williamson deserves the hype coz he is a brilliant player, these overseas stats don't always tell the whole story.
If a player can dominate in home conditions and be decent away from home with some memorable knock then he definitely deserves the ATG tag, analysing stats in each and every country is shallow analysis, i just used the numbers to show BVB that he was wrong.

 

[AamchiMumbaikar]

After what he did in Australia, I don't have anything to comment. Earned my respect for couple of years at least.

 

[Hasan123]

Kane Williamson deserves the hype coz he is a brilliant player, these overseas stats don't always tell the whole story.
If a player can dominate in home conditions and be decent away from home with some memorable knock then he definitely deserves the ATG tag, analysing stats in each and every country is shallow analysis, i just used the numbers to show BVB that he was wrong.

Kane Williamson should be doing better away from home for the hype pundits give him. His nice guy persona allows him to get away with it.

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

If you judge dravid, laxman, sehwag by same parameter of success in every country I agree. Otherwise I call you a hypocrite.

All those batsmen are considered great despite being average in some countries

P.S. I love how the goal posts keep moving and moving. This is what happens when someone argues in bad faith

Pant is average in 3 out of 4 countries he has toured so far. This is not in bad faith. This is a fact based on stats which you are trying to ignore here. Obviously he can improve his scores in those countries in the future but I am talking about present here. Presently his averages in England, West Indies and NZ are pretty average. Isn't that true or am I making that up?

Look at Kohli as an example and how he improved his away average in England in the last tour. Before that many fans were questionning his performances in England too. Same thing is happening with Pant here. If he is good enough he will shut his critics up.

 

[AamchiMumbaikar]

Pant is average in 3 out of 4 countries he has toured so far. This is not in bad faith. This is a fact based on stats which you are trying to ignore here. Obviously he can improve his scores in those countries in the future but I am talking about present here. Presently his averages in England, West Indies and NZ are pretty average. Isn't that true or am I making that up?

Look at Kohli as an example and how he improved his away average in England in the last tour. Before that many fans were questionning his performances in England too. Same thing is happening with Pant here. If he is good enough he will shut his critics up.

Kohli is a full time batsman. Pant might not be able to replicate what Kohli did in some of those countries, we should cut him some slack for that. He is a keeper batter and probably the best we ever had in tests.

 

[MP2011]

Kane Williamson should be doing better away from home for the hype pundits give him. His nice guy persona allows him to get away with it.

This.

How does Kane deserve the hype, lol? Overseas stats not telling the whole story? If they don't what else will? A player is adjudged on the basis of how he performs in alien conditions, not how he performs in familiar conditions.

Kane is as far from being an ATG as VVS was although latter played so many clutch innings.

 

[Pakhs]

"Lol he is not as good as you guys are making it out. This will be found out over the course of his career which is just starting. With his current level of keeping he will be lucky to play for next 10 years for team like India because as soon as his batting form drop questions will be asked of his keeping again and India is always likely to produce another keeper to give him competition."

These were your words. He has just started his cricketing career and you have already written his obituary predicting his failure. Then you say when did you say did not give him time. His keeping graph is going upwards and in time he will improve as he gains experience.

At no point I said dont give him time though what I said was that he is not the greatest thing on earth as some supporters were making him out to be in my opinion only ofcourse.

 

[Rajdeep]

Out for single digit again. Looks like good form was only temporary and back to poor form again.

 

[Pakhs]

Out for single digit again. Looks like good form was only temporary and back to poor form again.

LOL thats just one innings

 

[James]

It was interesting to see how England slowed the game down as soon as he came out to bat today. Clearly have spoken about him behind the scenes and are looking to neuter his batting style. Took their time setting the field and bowled him a very tight, careful line. 1 off 8 balls before edging behind was the result.

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

It was interesting to see how England slowed the game down as soon as he came out to bat today. Clearly have spoken about him behind the scenes and are looking to neuter his batting style. Took their time setting the field and bowled him a very tight, careful line. 1 off 8 balls before edging behind was the result.

He will be tested in the upcoming England tour. The way Jimmy set him up in the first test was brilliant.

 

[jeeteshssaxena]

Great improvement in wicketkeeping.

 

[pillionrider]

Yet another overrated 50 in a must-win game

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[MenInG]

Pant rescued India for sure - a lead of 100 or more and its curtains for England

 

[Indiafan]

Out for single digit again. Looks like good form was only temporary and back to poor form again.

Are you serious here? He is the leading scorer for India since last year

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

Brilliant inning from Pant under pressure. Rahane and Pujara should learn from him.

 

[Nikhhil98]

Overhyped useless player
Should not be allowed even gully cricket !!

 

[Varun]

India's best debutant since Kohli 2008.

 

[OMB]

Reverse sweeping anderson lol. Supreme confidence

 

[hoshiarpurexpress]

What the hell is this guy ???? LOL.

 

[OMB]

Overhyped useless player
Should not be allowed even gully cricket !!

overhyped player indeed