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The two Shahs - The potential deadly duo after the two Ws (A prophecy)

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I know it's too early to predict anything considering Pakistan has the history of producing young energetic fast bowlers and then fading away.

I also know that I will get too much bashing on this nonsense which is understandable.

But knowing all the consequences I want to start the hype machine.

Both are young and have all the ingredients to serve Pakistan for at least 15 years. If they become even half of the what two ws were it will do wonders.
 
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In tests,Australia will crush them,india doesnt play,england chokes vs pak anyway and the rest don't matter .
In ODI they will show all their jazba against others and be smashed by the big three starting with the asia cup.:srini
 
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Haha, the latest ones to sadly fall off the cliff now that a thread has been made.
 
Reminds me of the AAG thread from late 2000's we never learn do we?
 
I remember the “a team”. Amir asif and ajmal. Lasted only 2 tests I think before we lost 2 of them to spot fixing and the other much later to chucking.

The two shah’s does have a certain ring to it but they are only 2 tests old also. Give it time. But they aren’t the partnership we should be comparing.

Abbas and afridi maybe seems more durable.
Abbas and yasir possibly if yasir begins to exert control and works in getting wickets through pressure.
 
Ahh... NO.

They are not the Two Shahs yet.

Let's wait ~2 years before saying anything of such sort.
 
Reminds me of the Roti gang - where are they now?
 
I was 16 when Wasim Akram emerged and 20 when Waqar Younus (as he was then called) followed.

This is a very good thread: Pakistan again has two bowlers of “once in a generation” talent, and the question is whether they can be brought through successfully like Imran Khan single-handedly did with the two W’s, or whether vanity and bad advice will ruin them like Shoaib Akhtar and Mohammad Sami.

Shaheen Shah Afridi is a lot like the young Wasim Akram. He is generally 5-10K slower than the young Wasim, but he is at least 2 inches taller in height, and is more upright in his delivery stride.

In effect, Shaheen is slower and gets less swing, but he is taller and gets more lift. He is probably going to be everything that Mitchell Starc should have been.

Naseem Shah reminds me of the 1989-90 version of Waqar. He’s short but rapid, and he’s excessively dependent upon rapid reverse swing, just like Waqar was until his first half-season at Surrey taught him how to bowl.

Waqar’s shortness meant that he always bled runs faster than Wasim Akram. Naseem is around 2-3 inches shorter again compared with Waqar, but he has a higher arm action which means that he delivers the ball from a similar height and while he’ll never match Waqar’s inswing (due to his higher arm) he should find it easier to learn to bowl away-swing.
 
I was 16 when Wasim Akram emerged and 20 when Waqar Younus (as he was then called) followed.

This is a very good thread: Pakistan again has two bowlers of “once in a generation” talent, and the question is whether they can be brought through successfully like Imran Khan single-handedly did with the two W’s, or whether vanity and bad advice will ruin them like Shoaib Akhtar and Mohammad Sami.

Shaheen Shah Afridi is a lot like the young Wasim Akram. He is generally 5-10K slower than the young Wasim, but he is at least 2 inches taller in height, and is more upright in his delivery stride.

In effect, Shaheen is slower and gets less swing, but he is taller and gets more lift. He is probably going to be everything that Mitchell Starc should have been.

Naseem Shah reminds me of the 1989-90 version of Waqar. He’s short but rapid, and he’s excessively dependent upon rapid reverse swing, just like Waqar was until his first half-season at Surrey taught him how to bowl.

Waqar’s shortness meant that he always bled runs faster than Wasim Akram. Naseem is around 2-3 inches shorter again compared with Waqar, but he has a higher arm action which means that he delivers the ball from a similar height and while he’ll never match Waqar’s inswing (due to his higher arm) he should find it easier to learn to bowl away-swing.

Quite odd that you're rating Naseem and are excited.

Otherwise I think you automatically dismiss anyone below 6ft.
 
Reminds me of the Roti gang - where are they now?

That group was formed by some so-called all-rounders and overhyped on social media by some of their fans. They were more famous for their cringe hairstyles and dressing styles than their cricketing skills.
 
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Quite odd that you're rating Naseem and are excited.

Otherwise I think you automatically dismiss anyone below 6ft.
Very very very rarely there is a short bowler as skilled as Steyn or Marshall or Harris.

Naseem could be that man. Musa and Hasan Ali certainly cannot.
 
I was 16 when Wasim Akram emerged and 20 when Waqar Younus (as he was then called) followed.

This is a very good thread: Pakistan again has two bowlers of “once in a generation” talent, and the question is whether they can be brought through successfully like Imran Khan single-handedly did with the two W’s, or whether vanity and bad advice will ruin them like Shoaib Akhtar and Mohammad Sami.

Shaheen Shah Afridi is a lot like the young Wasim Akram. He is generally 5-10K slower than the young Wasim, but he is at least 2 inches taller in height, and is more upright in his delivery stride.

In effect, Shaheen is slower and gets less swing, but he is taller and gets more lift. He is probably going to be everything that Mitchell Starc should have been.

Naseem Shah reminds me of the 1989-90 version of Waqar. He’s short but rapid, and he’s excessively dependent upon rapid reverse swing, just like Waqar was until his first half-season at Surrey taught him how to bowl.

Waqar’s shortness meant that he always bled runs faster than Wasim Akram. Naseem is around 2-3 inches shorter again compared with Waqar, but he has a higher arm action which means that he delivers the ball from a similar height and while he’ll never match Waqar’s inswing (due to his higher arm) he should find it easier to learn to bowl away-swing.

I think Naseem is maybe an inch shorter than Waqar, look at this photo. naseem.jpg
 
they most likely will take more test wickets than wasim and waqar.

there have been many hyped young bowlers and cricketers in general, naseem and shaheen are the rare ones who are not over hyped.
these two are pak's future and will bowl together for the next 14-15 years taking truckload of wickets in tests.

I think shaheen will be more successful in limited overs and will be rated as the better bowler, just like wasim is rated above waqar. however, i think naseem will be slightly ahead of shaheen in tests
 
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naseem shah is not ready, too young. bowls 8 overs and has to go off due to rib pain.

this thread at least two years too early.
 
The two Shahs are very young and still learning.They will be excellent in 2-3 years time.Lets hope they stay fit.Haris Rafi and Hasnain should be part of ODI and test teams.The two Shahs should be over bowled.Archer has lost pace and stamina due to overload.
 
They need to play more before we can comment on them. Having promise and realizing that in matches are two different things.
 
Shaheen will end up as Pakistan's best bowler since Shoaib Akhtar and maybe the two W's also while Naseem Shah will fade away.

Babar looks a solid prospect and will go down as a great of the game. Barring the two- Babar and Shaheen, I don't have much expectations by anyone else. Yasir is good in Asia though.
 
Too early to call and best not to jinx them. We've seen far too many players go down for various reasons after breaking into Top 10 ICC rankings in the first couple of years of their careers. Amir, Asif, Hassan etc.

Let's just hope these two bowlers put a price on longevity, stay grounded, improve fitness, avoid distraction and play out a 10+ year successful career. That will go a long way putting our bowling back on the world map.
 
It’s exciting honestly, can’t wait for India vs Pak matches as Babar is in form as well.

Just need one mature bowler to lead the pack.. (should had been Amir not sure about Abbas) ,Shaheen and Naseem are still young.

Lucky for PCT -Babar, Naseem, Shaheen all all the same time, almost surely England are going to lose tests in England again.(not the series)
 
It’s exciting honestly, can’t wait for India vs Pak matches as Babar is in form as well.

Just need one mature bowler to lead the pack.. (should had been Amir not sure about Abbas) ,Shaheen and Naseem are still young.

Lucky for PCT -Babar, Naseem, Shaheen all all the same time, almost surely England are going to lose tests in England again.(not the series)
News flash, India-Pak match nahi hongaye. Which is probably a good thing :asad1
 
in tests, they may overtake wasim and waqar (in terms of no . of wickets). naseem definitely wont play as many odis. shaheen may come close, but won't overtake wasim in odis.

both naseem and shaheen are set on their way of becoming all time greats for pakistan (barring any injuries or off field shenanigans)
 
Jaane do! Anyone who has seen two Ws in their prime would never say this.

Kasam se..... It was short-lived and they were always fighting each other but Wasim and Waqar opening the bowling and Shoaib at first change was AMAZING to watch.
 
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In effect, Shaheen is slower and gets less swing, but he is taller and gets more lift. He is probably going to be everything that Mitchell Starc should have been.

It's okay to be excited but this statement really undermines Starc who averages 27 across 50+ tests and has won Australia some big games in LOIs as well. Way, way too early to make this comparison.
 
We have to wait

Far too many times, youngsters have shown promise and faded away
 
Long way to go, many variables such as injuries and inability to handle fame(Shadab the latest one) could get in the way. Good start by both, Afridi looks slightly more at ease because of the greater experience but Nas has the ability to produce the wicket taking magic ball. Both are a little bit short with their lengths, For Naseem, the role model should be Shami, full and straight, just outside off stump, tempting the batsman to drive is the template. It will cost runs, but he will take a hell of a lot of wickets. For SSA, come closer to the wickets at times and bowl the wicket taking in swing.
 
It's okay to be excited but this statement really undermines Starc who averages 27 across 50+ tests and has won Australia some big games in LOIs as well. Way, way too early to make this comparison.

With the talent, management, and team Starc has, he should be averaging 24-25.

He’s also just turned 30 and Aussie pacers usually have a shelf life until 33.
 
Shaheen will be Pakistan’s most successful fast bowler in the last 15 years unless he throws his career away because of stupidity (Amir, Asif).

I’m not convinced with Naseem. He could easily turn into a Sami type bowler who could run through a weak lineup every now and then, but struggled a lot against top teams and regularly go at 4+ RPO.

Just because he is young doesn’t mean he will develop. Every average cricketer is a youngster with potential at one point.

The England series will tell us if Naseem is good enough or not, but I am personally not hopeful.
 
Shaheen will end up as Pakistan's best bowler since Shoaib Akhtar and maybe the two W's also while Naseem Shah will fade away.

Babar looks a solid prospect and will go down as a great of the game. Barring the two- Babar and Shaheen, I don't have much expectations by anyone else. Yasir is good in Asia though.

Naseem Shah will not fade away but he will not play more than 30 Tests in his career. I said 40 yesterday but I have reduced 10.

The boy is an athlete but just too easily injured I’m afraid. There seems to be a lot of rushing him into international cricket
 
Too early , to take 300 plus test wickets you have to stay fit and effective for a long period of time. I was watching Wasim Akram spell against Australia where he took 6 wickets. I have never seen anyone bowl like that , that quick arm , late swing from impossible angles and deadly lift from good length. Stuff of dreams. Shaheen is good but Wasim was totally leagues above him , there won't be anyone like him.
 
Shaheen will be Pakistan’s most successful fast bowler in the last 15 years unless he throws his career away because of stupidity (Amir, Asif).

I’m not convinced with Naseem. He could easily turn into a Sami type bowler who could run through a weak lineup every now and then, but struggled a lot against top teams and regularly go at 4+ RPO.

Just because he is young doesn’t mean he will develop. Every average cricketer is a youngster with potential at one point.

The England series will tell us if Naseem is good enough or not, but I am personally not hopeful.

Rubbish as usual. The guy has played 4 test matches and is a teenager. But if he doesn't perform against England it's over for him being good.
 
Rubbish as usual. The guy has played 4 test matches and is a teenager. But if he doesn't perform against England it's over for him being good.

His fake age will not be an excuse forever. He failed against Australia and if he fails against another quality team, it will be a matter of concern.

Our fans get excited very easily and it is understandable when you are 6th ranked and have no chance of becoming a top team in the near future, but one shouldn’t lose perspective.
 
The signs are promising for both.

They have the skills and from what I hear, the hunger to succeed.

A long road ahead for both, with lots to learn.

I just hope the hovering vultures steer clear of them.
 
His fake age will not be an excuse forever. He failed against Australia and if he fails against another quality team, it will be a matter of concern.

Our fans get excited very easily and it is understandable when you are 6th ranked and have no chance of becoming a top team in the near future, but one shouldn’t lose perspective.
Not taking wickets in your first and only innings in Australia is a failure?
I thought I had high standards but now this is new height!

PS: Don't forget he was unlucky is this only innings. Wasn't he?
 
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His fake age will not be an excuse forever. He failed against Australia and if he fails against another quality team, it will be a matter of concern.

Our fans get excited very easily and it is understandable when you are 6th ranked and have no chance of becoming a top team in the near future, but one shouldn’t lose perspective.

Fake age or no . The fact is that he's still a teenager. Anderson has failed million times outside England. Does that mean he's a rubbish bowler. The guy bowled in 1 inning. You are acting as if he failed in like 5 test matches or so.

You was really excited when shaheen failed for a couple of games then he gave you a big slap. Then you was calling haris a mental midget. Then another slap. To top it of Babar gave you another. All that in the world cup.

If I am if Naseem was Indian. We would have been hearing once a generation talent. Better then imran wasim etc and most definetly wouldn't have been talking about his age. As I said he's young let him play 15 -20 matches then judge him.
 
Long long way to go. I would wait until these two have 100 wickets atleast before predicting anything
 
Not taking wickets in your first and only innings in Australia is a failure?
I thought I had high standards but now this is new height!

PS: Don't forget he was unlucky is this only innings. Wasn't he?

He was lucky. The hat-trick deliveries were nothing special. Just poor batting.

If he averages less than 30 in England, it will be a very good sign. I personally see him going for a lot of runs because of his lack of control and short height which will suit English stroke-players.
 
His fake age will not be an excuse forever. He failed against Australia and if he fails against another quality team, it will be a matter of concern.

Our fans get excited very easily and it is understandable when you are 6th ranked and have no chance of becoming a top team in the near future, but one shouldn’t lose perspective.

I get your point but how do you really call his only innings in Aus as failure in Australia. I am also not getting into Naseem hype train yet but he was good enough if not spectacular on debut. Got warner out too, sadly on a no ball and then got him again next day.
 
I get your point but how do you really call his only innings in Aus as failure in Australia. I am also not getting into Naseem hype train yet but he was good enough if not spectacular on debut. Got warner out too, sadly on a no ball and then got him again next day.

He may have got Warner out but he seems to be the type of bowler who will be very expensive regularly. Like Hasan his margin of error is very small.
 
He may have got Warner out but he seems to be the type of bowler who will be very expensive regularly. Like Hasan his margin of error is very small.

Maybe, we will see about that but he didn’t fail in Australia
 
You could have accepted you were wrong and have some humble pies.

But no, you have to stick to your wrong assessment. Cool.

The guy is a teenager. Nothing is guaranteed for him right now.

You are mistaking my assessment on him.

He is a talented bowler. He has things to work on . My main worry is that we will over bowl him and ruin his career.
 
Way to early right now. Have seen too many bowlers hyped up like no tommorow. I remember both Wasim-Waqar commenting that Amir and Hasan Ali reminded them of themselves in their playing days, we have all seen how that has turned out in the end.
 
They both have a lot of potential and we can hope they work hard and keep improving. They are young they will go through ups and downs which I am sure they will learn from. Shaheen showed a lot during the world cup. They both look hungry for success and we can only hope they continue to do so. One thing I have noticed about these 2 is that they are very close to each other.

We can judge them much better when they play for 3-4 years. No need to hype them.
 
[MENTION=131701]Mamoon[/MENTION]
You and I both have reservations about Naseem Shah, but please, let’s be fair:

1. His age is blatantly fake and the PCB should be punished for this as they have cited a different age previously. But although he’s not 16, he’s probably 19 or 20, and he’s extraordinarily good for that age. This is not a 27 year old.

2. You know my reservations about height. I think that under 5’10 is a No No for a fast bowler and that in the 5’10 to 6’2 height range a bowler needs to be twice as talented as a 6’4 bowler to have the same career.

But put differently, he is

Only 2 inches shorter than Dennis Lillee and Imran Khan.

Only 1 inch shorter than Malcolm Marshall and Ryan Harris.

The same height as Dale Steyn.

Naseem’s action is the best action that I’ve ever seen in a Pakistani. It’s Lillee-quality.

He’s terrific for his age. His height means that he has to be twice as skilful and accurate as a taller bowler to survive in Test cricket, but if he can work twice as hard as Shaheen or Cummins then he should have a great career.

He’s not like Musa or Hasan Ali who are so short that they are just wasting everybody’s time.
 
Even Hazlewood had a pretty ordinary first tour of England, so no reason to panic if Naseem doesn't run through them. Personally I reckon he'll do well in 2 out of 4 innings, and go for runs in the other 2.

Have high expectations from Shaheen though, especially if Abbas is able to hold up an end and build some pressure
 
Biggest asset for Shaheen and Naseem is the fact they both are incredibly young. They are doing all these at such young ages.

They should have bright futures ahead and hopefully they will not throw it away like Amir did.
 
Jaane do! Anyone who has seen two Ws in their prime would never say this.

Kasam se..... It was short-lived and they were always fighting each other but Wasim and Waqar opening the bowling and Shoaib at first change was AMAZING to watch.

That's why I have written "potential deadly duo after two ws" no one here can deny that both have potential while Shaheen has proved it and Naseem will prove this in future.
Both are in their early stages of career however both have hunger to succeed and most importantly honest with their profession.
 
Pakistan have to go to England with 4 pacers if the oitches are green. Naseem, Shaheen and Abbas are locks. The 4ht option can be Sameen Gul, but then the batting will be too weak. Or they can go with Faheem Ashraf at 8. If it's dry then play Shadab at 8.

Naseem and Shaheen will be key. Naseem is the type of bowler that can get a wicket when nothing is going the bowlers way.
 
He may have got Warner out but he seems to be the type of bowler who will be very expensive regularly. Like Hasan his margin of error is very small.

He is couple.of inches taller than Hassan him and Abbas are same height if you watch them together in a frame no one has downplayed Abbas for his height pace yes but not height this is not a case of Musa where the height is too short for you to do anything.
 
He was lucky. The hat-trick deliveries were nothing special. Just poor batting.

If he averages less than 30 in England, it will be a very good sign. I personally see him going for a lot of runs because of his lack of control and short height which will suit English stroke-players.

I was asking about his only innings in Australia. Was he unlucky there?
 
Kasam se..... It was short-lived and they were always fighting each other but Wasim and Waqar opening the bowling and Shoaib at first change was AMAZING to watch.

This very rarely happened!
Maybe the odd match in 2003.
 
Have noticed that Naseem relies just a tad extra on reverse swing when it comes to moving the ball.

Not a lot of reverse in ENG/SA. Very difficult to rough up the ball on those lush green fields.

I think his new ball skills can still be improved quite a bit. Shaheen's too.
 
Have noticed that Naseem relies just a tad extra on reverse swing when it comes to moving the ball.

Not a lot of reverse in ENG/SA. Very difficult to rough up the ball on those lush green fields.

I think his new ball skills can still be improved quite a bit. Shaheen's too.
Naseem is class ,one area he has to Improve is eradicate a boundary ball every over hes young and he should but there is no guarantee he will Sami for eg never did.
 
Have noticed that Naseem relies just a tad extra on reverse swing when it comes to moving the ball.

Not a lot of reverse in ENG/SA. Very difficult to rough up the ball on those lush green fields.

I think his new ball skills can still be improved quite a bit. Shaheen's too.

His new ball skills are quite decent.
 
All-Shah Attack


Something special is brewing, no one wants to jinx it because we've been here before but in Naseem Shah and Shaheen Shah Afridi, Pakistan may have unearthed the next great fast-bowling partnership the country has yearned for way too long. It may be another false dawn, so much could go wrong in typical Pakistani fashion but with these two there is a sense of excitement, which hasn't been felt in quite a while.

Ever since Wasim and Waqar called it a day, no Pakistani pacer has gone on to play even 50 test matches and close to 2 decades have passed since then. No one would have thought so at the time of their retirement though with the two S's, Shoaib and Sami seen as even more ferociously rapid ready-made replacements for the two W's. Unfortunately, injuries, indiscipline and inconsistency saw them both in and out of the side and the deadly pace duo never lived up to expectations.

Instead Pakistan went through a phase where they relied more on the batting of the legendary Younis, Yousuf and Inzamam than their bowling consisting of the two R's, Rana Naveed-ul-Hasan and Rao Iftikhar Anjum who were honest try hard bowlers but were unable to capture the imagination of the public.

Around 2010 another pace attack had been assembled, one that shun so bright it literally translated to fire in Urdu. The ‘AAG' attack was one of a kind laying waste to English and Australian line-ups time and again. It was a trio led by the world's best swing bowler Asif sharing the new ball with the world's brightest left arm prospect Amir and consolidated by the world's best death-bowler Umar Gul. Sadly, the spot-fixing scandal robbed us of the two A's in the AAG attack. The flame shone so bright it flickered away as soon as we got near; ‘Icarus flew too close to the sun'. Tears in my eyes to this day.

For a while it was tough to bear but we tried to move on and rebuild with Junaid Khan and Mohammad Irfan but they were too thin a bandage to cover the gaping hole that had been left in our heart. Even the reintroduction of Amir 2.0 couldn't heal the wound he had left behind, that is until now.

Pakistan's last two test matches not only saw the return of Pakistan playing and winning tests at home, it saw two teenagers bowl them to victory. In the first of these two wins Shaheen took 5 wickets in the first innings only for Naseem to replicate the feat in the second innings. While in the latest test Shaheen once again tore through the first innings with 4 wickets with Naseem returning the favor in the second innings once more with a match-winning hat-trick. These performances have made the similarities hard to ignore with the two W's; the left arm, right arm combination, the lanky leftie and the rapid righty, even the difference in height is almost the same.

Pakistan are still some way from building an All-Star attack but if we can find another Shah to compliment Shaheen, Naseem and Yasir we can at least claim to have the first All-Shah attack. Sorry had to be said, plus I needed a heading. Moving on, there is so much that could go wrong, which may rob us off seeing the dream pair finally come to fruition. Ideally, we don't bowl them into the ground and their workload can be managed with the 3 H's, Haris, Hasan and Hasnain providing support in white-ball cricket and Abbas in tests. Apart from injuries and mismanagement by the board they have to tread carefully with regards to the lure of quick bucks through T20 leagues or worse spot-fixing. Their own indiscipline and work-ethic may let them down themselves but they have enough cautionary tales in front of them to hopefully know better. We shouldn't get carried away but it's alright to dream just a little bit.

https://www.brecorder.com/2020/02/13/570624/all-shah-attack/
 
All-Shah Attack


Something special is brewing, no one wants to jinx it because we've been here before but in Naseem Shah and Shaheen Shah Afridi, Pakistan may have unearthed the next great fast-bowling partnership the country has yearned for way too long. It may be another false dawn, so much could go wrong in typical Pakistani fashion but with these two there is a sense of excitement, which hasn't been felt in quite a while.

Ever since Wasim and Waqar called it a day, no Pakistani pacer has gone on to play even 50 test matches and close to 2 decades have passed since then. No one would have thought so at the time of their retirement though with the two S's, Shoaib and Sami seen as even more ferociously rapid ready-made replacements for the two W's. Unfortunately, injuries, indiscipline and inconsistency saw them both in and out of the side and the deadly pace duo never lived up to expectations.

Instead Pakistan went through a phase where they relied more on the batting of the legendary Younis, Yousuf and Inzamam than their bowling consisting of the two R's, Rana Naveed-ul-Hasan and Rao Iftikhar Anjum who were honest try hard bowlers but were unable to capture the imagination of the public.

Around 2010 another pace attack had been assembled, one that shun so bright it literally translated to fire in Urdu. The ‘AAG' attack was one of a kind laying waste to English and Australian line-ups time and again. It was a trio led by the world's best swing bowler Asif sharing the new ball with the world's brightest left arm prospect Amir and consolidated by the world's best death-bowler Umar Gul. Sadly, the spot-fixing scandal robbed us of the two A's in the AAG attack. The flame shone so bright it flickered away as soon as we got near; ‘Icarus flew too close to the sun'. Tears in my eyes to this day.

For a while it was tough to bear but we tried to move on and rebuild with Junaid Khan and Mohammad Irfan but they were too thin a bandage to cover the gaping hole that had been left in our heart. Even the reintroduction of Amir 2.0 couldn't heal the wound he had left behind, that is until now.

Pakistan's last two test matches not only saw the return of Pakistan playing and winning tests at home, it saw two teenagers bowl them to victory. In the first of these two wins Shaheen took 5 wickets in the first innings only for Naseem to replicate the feat in the second innings. While in the latest test Shaheen once again tore through the first innings with 4 wickets with Naseem returning the favor in the second innings once more with a match-winning hat-trick. These performances have made the similarities hard to ignore with the two W's; the left arm, right arm combination, the lanky leftie and the rapid righty, even the difference in height is almost the same.

Pakistan are still some way from building an All-Star attack but if we can find another Shah to compliment Shaheen, Naseem and Yasir we can at least claim to have the first All-Shah attack. Sorry had to be said, plus I needed a heading. Moving on, there is so much that could go wrong, which may rob us off seeing the dream pair finally come to fruition. Ideally, we don't bowl them into the ground and their workload can be managed with the 3 H's, Haris, Hasan and Hasnain providing support in white-ball cricket and Abbas in tests. Apart from injuries and mismanagement by the board they have to tread carefully with regards to the lure of quick bucks through T20 leagues or worse spot-fixing. Their own indiscipline and work-ethic may let them down themselves but they have enough cautionary tales in front of them to hopefully know better. We shouldn't get carried away but it's alright to dream just a little bit.

https://www.brecorder.com/2020/02/13/570624/all-shah-attack/

Nice piece here. You are absolutely right about the 2003-2009 period. Inzy, Yousuf, Younis carried us with brilliance from Akhtar when he was fit. But no teeth to the pace attack apart from Akhtar really - Razzaq was our third seamer for most of this period.
[MENTION=132916]Junaids[/MENTION] also, good comparison with Starc and analysis of Naseem’s bowling. I think his action looks good, but stressful again. Rashid Latif was saying he is transitioning from a front on to a side on action atm. Everyone is hoping he doesn’t get injured.

Inshallah, wish both these guys the best and hope they continue to improve.
 
Nice piece here. You are absolutely right about the 2003-2009 period. Inzy, Yousuf, Younis carried us with brilliance from Akhtar when he was fit. But no teeth to the pace attack apart from Akhtar really - Razzaq was our third seamer for most of this period.
[MENTION=132916]Junaids[/MENTION] also, good comparison with Starc and analysis of Naseem’s bowling. I think his action looks good, but stressful again. Rashid Latif was saying he is transitioning from a front on to a side on action atm. Everyone is hoping he doesn’t get injured.

Inshallah, wish both these guys the best and hope they continue to improve.

The mid 2000's often gets overlooked as the era when Pakistan had its strongest middle-order apart from the 1970's.
 
People need to relax and also let these kids grow.

These type of threads only create pressure.

To answer your question, no, I’ve not seen the “deadly potential” from them yet.
 
So much pressure on two lads who have played a handful of international games? Let then develop without any expectations.
 
I think we should all just take a breath haha

Both these guys are young, very young actually and have a long way to go. I hope the likes of Shadab and Hasan Ali can return, I hope Abbas plays on for years to come and I hope two or three other bowlers on the fringes at the domestic level also step up, so that this whole unit is not built around two young, fragile men. It worked in the 80s, but it will not work today with the pressures and workloads that are available.
 
Bhai bas karo threads like these have ended in tears in past and this could be one of those cases stop hyping unless they play atleast 40-tests between them.
 
Hopefully one of the two isn’t banned for a suspicious action
 
One of them has become a world-class pacer, while the other still has a bit to learn but has improved massively. Naseem’s bowling on this track was a high quality display of skill.
 
Naseem bowled well but Shaheen really has to learn to bowl test match lines and lengths, the far less experienced Naseem Shah has done much better in this regard.
 
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