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The US white majority will soon disappear forever

April 30, 2019 6.45am EDT

Since the settlement of Jamestown in 1607 and the start of the Colonial period, the U.S. has been predominantly white.

But the white share of the U.S. population has been dropping, from a little under 90% in 1950 to 60% in 2018. It will likely drop below 50% in another 25 years.

White nationalists want America to be white again. But this will never happen. America is on its way to becoming predominantly nonwhite.

Who is white?

The U.S. federal government uses two questions to measure a person’s race and ethnicity. One asks if the person is of Hispanic origin, and the other asks about the person’s race.

A person is defined as white if he or she identifies as being only white and non-Hispanic. A minority, or nonwhite, person is anyone who is not solely non-Hispanic white.

Whites were not the first people to settle in what is now the U.S. The first immigrants were a people known today as American Indians and Alaskan natives, also commonly referred to as Native Americans. They arrived in North America around 14,000 years ago.

When Christopher Columbus arrived in America in 1492, there were around 10 million American Indians living in the lands north of Mexico. But by the 1800s their numbers had dwindled to about 1 million. They are now the smallest race group in the U.S.

The first sizable stream of immigrants to what is now the U.S. were whites from England. Their arrival at Plymouth in 1620 in search of religious freedom marked the start of large waves of whites coming to this land.

When the U.S. was established as a country in 1776, whites comprised roughly 80% of the population. The white share rose to 90% in 1920, where it stayed until 1950.

Declining numbers

The proportion of whites in the U.S. population started to decline in 1950. It fell to gradually over the years, eventually reaching just over 60% in 2018 – the lowest percentage ever recorded.

Although the majority of the U.S. population today is still white, nonwhites account for more than half of the populations of Hawaii, the District of Columbia, California, New Mexico, Texas and Nevada. And, in the next 10 to 15 years, these half dozen “majority-minority” states will likely be joined by as many as eight other states where whites now make up less than 60% of the population.

Census Bureau projections show that the U.S. population will be “majority-minority” sometime between 2040 and 2050. Our research suggests that this will happen around 2044. Indeed, in 2020, there are projected to be more nonwhite children than white children in the U.S.

The nonwhite population is growing more rapidly than the white population. Minorities accounted for 92% of the U.S. population growth between 2010 and 2018, with Latinos comprising just under half of the nation’s overall growth.

Behind the trends

Why are the numbers of white people declining, and why are nonwhite numbers increasing? The answer is basic demography: births, deaths and immigration.

White women have an average of 1.7 children over their lifetimes, while Latina women average 2.2. The total fertility rates of blacks, Asians and American Indians are in between. So whites have fewer births than all nonwhite groups.

There are also big differences in age structure. Sixty-two percent of Latinas 15 years of age or older are of childbearing age. Only 42% of white women fall into this group. Latinos also have lower mortality rates than whites. Demographers call this the “epidemiological paradox.”

In 2015, for the first time, there were more white deaths in the U.S. than white births. Indeed, as of 2016, in 26 states, whites were dying faster than they were being born. The states with more white deaths than white births include California, Florida, Pennsylvania and Michigan.

How about immigration to the U.S.? Of the more than 43 million foreign-born people living in the U.S. in 2015, 82% originated in Latin America and Asia. Only 11% were born in Europe. So whites don’t increase their representation in the U.S. via immigration.

The future of whiteness

The aging white population, alongside a more youthful minority population, especially in the case of Latinos, will result in the U.S. becoming a majority-minority country in around 2044.

The demographic shift in the U.S. has resulted in many whites proclaiming that they are losing their country, and that they already are or will soon become a minority group.

In her research on working-class whites in rural Louisiana, sociologist Arlie Russell Hochschild observes that many whites feel frustrated and betrayed, like they are now strangers in their own land. In Trump, they saw a white man who brought them together to take their country back. Hochschild points out that at a Trump campaign rally, whites held signs with slogans such as “TRUMP: MAKE AMERICA GREAT AGAIN” and “SILENT MAJORITY STANDS WITH TRUMP.”

The decline of the white share of the U.S. population could result in the shifting of racial boundaries to assign whiteness to some people of color so as to bolster the white numbers.

This has happened before. Groups that were initially seen as very different from whites, such as the Irish and Italians, once sought to distance themselves from blacks, and eventually were accepted as white.

In addition, although persons of Mexican origin largely identified racially as white, in the 1930 census “Mexican” was used as a racial category, at a time when there was heightened hostility against Mexicans due to their growing population size and the Great Depression.

But any future changes cannot override demography. The U.S. will never be a white country again.
 
Lol no, whites will still be the single largest racial group. The only reason why they would be a minority is if you add all the other races together and that's what white supremacists do to fear monger otherwise white people will form a plurality for a very long time to come in fact I don't think a single race would ever form an outright majority, maybe hispanics could form a plurality by the end of the century overall but not in most states.
 
Lol no, whites will still be the single largest racial group. The only reason why they would be a minority is if you add all the other races together and that's what white supremacists do to fear monger otherwise white people will form a plurality for a very long time to come in fact I don't think a single race would ever form an outright majority, maybe hispanics could form a plurality by the end of the century overall but not in most states.

That's a good point
So by 2050, the racial demographics of USA will be similar to that of Brazil today?
 
That's a good point
So by 2050, the racial demographics of USA will be similar to that of Brazil today?

Brazil is really mixed, I don't see that happening to the same extent. I do think African-Americans will no longer be black due to intermarrying with whites and other races, so it's actually Black people that are risk at being absorbed into white America, in fact the African-American population shrunk and the mixed race population increased in the same time.
 
Brazil is really mixed, I don't see that happening to the same extent. I do think African-Americans will no longer be black due to intermarrying with whites and other races, so it's actually Black people that are risk at being absorbed into white America, <b>in fact the African-American population shrunk and the mixed race population increased in the same time.</b>

African-Americans as a percentage of the total US population have enjoyed a slow but steady growth the last 8 decades, up from 9.7% in 1930 to 12.6% in 2010.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/African_Americans#Demographics
 
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Brazil is really mixed, I don't see that happening to the same extent. I do think African-Americans will no longer be black due to intermarrying with whites and other races, so it's actually Black people that are risk at being absorbed into white America, in fact the African-American population shrunk and the mixed race population increased in the same time.

American society follows the "one drop rule" for racial categorization. Regardless of the extent of mixing with whites, blacks will be categorized as blacks (for good or bad).
 
White population is decreasing in both USA and Canada. But, I don't think they will become minorities anytime soon. It should take a long time if it happens.
 
American society follows the "one drop rule" for racial categorization. Regardless of the extent of mixing with whites, blacks will be categorized as blacks (for good or bad).

Exactly. That is the reason why Barack Obama and Tiger Woods are still considered black even though both are bi-racial
 
Some centuries ago there were no whites in whole America.


When Christopher Columbus arrived in America in 1492, there were around 10 million American Indians living in the lands north of Mexico. But by the 1800s their numbers had dwindled to about 1 million. They are now the smallest race group in the U.S.

From Tasmania to Canada, entire races have been decimated because of white man's empire building.
They are truly an evil race.
 
Whites in USA and even Canada are now very paranoid about the changing demographics.
Trump's policies like mass deportations and removal of DEI initiatives have also shown that people who have power and privileges are not going to give them up easily

The next 2 to 3 decades are likely to be turbulent times for USA
 
I hope i will be alive to say ''USA is Sanatan'' one day.

It's happening. It is inevitable.

Jai Sri Krishna
 
Whites in USA and even Canada are now very paranoid about the changing demographics.
Trump's policies like mass deportations and removal of DEI initiatives have also shown that people who have power and privileges are not going to give them up easily

The next 2 to 3 decades are likely to be turbulent times for USA
It is inevitable. White people are mixing with African Americans and Asian Americans heavily with each generation. Just in my community, I see so many biracial kids.

USA and Canada are immigrant nations. So it is expected that the white people will lose majority eventually. If you think about it, even black people are decreasing. Mixed people consider themselves black. But in reality, they look very different to Africans. Future is Brown. Eevryone will be a mix of Chinese, Indian or African.
 
It is inevitable. White people are mixing with African Americans and Asian Americans heavily with each generation. Just in my community, I see so many biracial kids.

USA and Canada are immigrant nations. So it is expected that the white people will lose majority eventually. If you think about it, even black people are decreasing. Mixed people consider themselves black. But in reality, they look very different to Africans. Future is Brown. Eevryone will be a mix of Chinese, Indian or African.
There are more Latinos in the US than any of these sub-demographics but yeah it will probably be a mix at some point in the future.
 
But in reality, they look very different to Africans. Future is Brown. Eevryone will be a mix of Chinese, Indian or African.

Did you read the long Elon Musk article in WSJ yesterday about his baby farms ? Kinda creepy. Particularly notable was his statement that third world babies are now outnumbering white babies, that he wanted to stop the tide and the world should produce more intelligent babies.
 
Did you read the long Elon Musk article in WSJ yesterday about his baby farms ? Kinda creepy. Particularly notable was his statement that third world babies are now outnumbering white babies, that he wanted to stop the tide and the world should produce more intelligent babies.
No bro.

Post the link.
 
Whites in USA and even Canada are now very paranoid about the changing demographics.
Trump's policies like mass deportations and removal of DEI initiatives have also shown that people who have power and privileges are not going to give them up easily

The next 2 to 3 decades are likely to be turbulent times for USA

In Canada, white population is around 70% now. Probably even less.

In Toronto, visible minority is the majority.
 
Needs subscription to read the article.

May be you can copy and paste the article. (y)


The Tactics Elon Musk Uses to Manage His ‘Legion’ of Babies—and Their Mothers

By
Dana Mattioli
April 15, 2025 9:00 pm ET


Ashley St. Clair wanted to prove that Elon Musk was the father of her newborn baby.
But to ask the billionaire to take a paternity test, the right-wing social-media influencer had to go through Musk’s longtime fixer, Jared Birchall.
“I don’t want my son to feel like he’s a secret,” St. Clair told Birchall in a two-hour phone call in December.
Birchall offered St. Clair some advice. His boss was a “very big-hearted, kind and generous person,” he said. But Musk had a different side. When a mother of his child goes “the legal route” in these discussions, “that always, always leads to a worse outcome for that woman than what it would have been otherwise,” Birchall told the 26-year-old. Plus, he said, Musk wasn’t sure the child was his.
It wasn’t the first such conversation for Birchall. His public job is running Musk’s family office, and he recently helped organize Musk’s more than $250 million push in support of Donald Trump’s election.
Behind the scenes, Birchall also manages the financial and privacy deals Musk wants for the women raising the world’s richest man’s babies.
Musk has had at least 14 children with four women, including the pop musician Grimes and Shivon Zilis, an executive at his brain computer company Neuralink. Multiple sources close to the tech entrepreneur said they believe the true number of Musk’s children is much higher than publicly known.
Musk offered St. Clair $15 million and $100,000 a month in support in exchange for her silence about the child, whom they named Romulus. Similar agreements had been negotiated with other mothers of Musk’s children, Birchall told St. Clair.
The fight with St. Clair over the terms of the deal for their baby has been going on as Musk has assumed one of the most influential roles in the U.S. government.
As a top adviser to President Trump, he has been slashing staff and billions of dollars from the federal government as the head of the Department of Government Efficiency, with massive benefit programs such as Social Security, Medicaid and Medicare in the crosshairs.


Musk’s baby-making project is relevant to his ambition for NASA, which he wants to move faster to go to Mars. He said on X that making people multiplanetary is “critical to ensuring the long-term survival of humanity and all life as we know it.”
In Musk’s dark view of the world, civilization is under threat because of a declining population. He is driven to correct the historic moment by helping seed the earth with more human beings of high intelligence, according to people familiar with the matter.
His businesses are set up to serve the idea: The main objective of SpaceX is to build a rocket ship capable of getting to Mars, and his other companies, including electric-car maker Tesla, help finance the plan.
Musk refers to his offspring as a “legion,” a reference to the ancient military units that could contain thousands of soldiers and were key to extending the reach of the Roman Empire.
During St. Clair’s pregnancy, Musk suggested that they bring in other women to have even more of their children faster. “To reach legion-level before the apocalypse,” he said to St. Clair in a text message viewed by The Wall Street Journal, “we will need to use surrogates.”
He has recruited potential mothers on his social-media platform X, according to some of the people.
Musk has used his wealth to buy the silence of some women who have his kids, according to St. Clair as well as other people, text messages and documents reviewed by the Journal.
Nondisclosure clauses are part of some of the payment agreements. If the mothers push back or seek outside counsel, Musk’s advisers, including Birchall, have threatened financial retribution, according to the documents and people.
Birchall described Musk’s expectations to St. Clair: “Privacy and confidentiality is the top of the list in every aspect of his life, every aspect, and his entire world is set up to be, like, a meritocracy.” Benefits flow, he said, when “people do good work.”
During the call with Birchall, St. Clair told him she had received outreach from a woman Musk had invited to have his baby. She said she was being caught up in Musk’s “harem drama.”


The details of Musk’s baby mission are only now starting to spill into the public. Grimes begged Musk in February for help on X when one of their children was having a “medical crisis” because Musk wouldn’t engage with her. Earlier that month, after their 4-year-old son, also called X, had been on national television on his father’s shoulders as he talked about government cuts in the Oval Office, Grimes posted that “he should not be in public like this.”
A person familiar with Musk’s thinking on the agreements with the mothers of his children said that Musk believes it is better to resolve these matters behind closed doors for the safety and security of the child.
‘Make new humans’
Musk has warned that “civilization is going to crumble” if people don’t start having more children, a view popularized as pronatalism in right-wing circles. The pronatalism movement is composed of people concerned about the birthrate and eager to implement policy and cultural solutions to the problem.
Martin Varsavsky, a friend of Musk’s who founded a large chain of in vitro fertilization clinics in the U.S., said he has spoken with Musk about the risks of falling birthrates.
“Without babies there’s no future, every problem becomes secondary to the problem of not having people on the planet,” said Varsavsky. “Elon believes that a country is not the geography, a country is the people.”


Speaking to an audience at an investment conference in Saudi Arabia last year, Musk laid out the urgency of the matter. “I think for most countries, they should view the birthrate as the single biggest problem they need to solve. If you don’t make new humans, there’s no humanity, and all the policies in the world don’t matter,” Musk told the crowd over a live video.
When the interviewer joked that Musk was doing his part to address the issue, the billionaire agreed. “Yes. I am. I mean, you know, you’ve got to walk the talk. So, I do have a lot of kids, and I encourage others to have lots of kids.”
Separately, Musk has said he is concerned about what he called Third World countries having higher birthrates than the U.S. and Europe, a person familiar with the conversation said.
One of the most important ways to change these dynamics, he has repeatedly told people close to him, is for educated people to have more children.
In 2023, he had a meeting in Austin where people he described as Japanese officials asked him to be a sperm donor for a high-profile woman, according to a text message reviewed by the Journal. “They want me to be a sperm donor. No romance or anything, just sperm,” he texted St. Clair. Musk later told her he gave his sperm to the person who asked for it, without naming the woman.
Special status
Vivian Wilson, one of Musk’s older children from his first wife, Justine Musk, said recently to Teen Vogue that she doesn’t know how many half-siblings she has in her family. Musk is now estranged from Vivian because he refuses to accept her identity as transgender. Justine Musk had six children with Musk, but one child died as a baby.
Grimes, whose legal name is Claire Boucher, has three young children with Musk. She and Musk went through a custody battle but settled in August.
Musk offered his sperm to Zilis, and the two have four young children together. Zilis is viewed as a steadying force in Musk’s life and is the most prominent of Musk’s mothers.
“He really wants smart people to have kids, so he encouraged me to,” Zilis told Musk’s biographer Walter Isaacson.
The Yale University graduate was a founding member of the investment team at Bloomberg Beta, and made Forbes’s “30 Under 30” venture capital list in 2015. Zilis also was a board member at OpenAI and worked at Tesla earlier in her career.
Two people close to Musk described her as having “special status,” meaning Musk chooses to spend time at her home in Austin as well as bringing her to high-profile public events.
In January, Zilis attended a black tie pre-inauguration candlelit dinner with Musk, and was photographed speaking to Ivanka Trump, Jared Kushner, Amazon founder Jeff Bezos and his fiancée, Lauren Sánchez.
Weeks later, she was alongside Musk for a meeting with India’s Prime Minister Narendra Modi at Blair House, the presidential guesthouse across the street from the White House, with two of their children and another of Musk’s in tow.
‘Pick a name’
While Musk posts sometimes dozens of times a day on X about right-wing politics or his companies, among other things on his mind, he often interacts with lesser-known users. He replies to them and sometimes interacts through direct messages, some of whom he eventually solicits to have his babies, according to people who have viewed the messages.
Cryptocurrency influencer Tiffany Fong was covering disgraced crypto tycoon Sam Bankman-Fried’s downfall when Musk started liking and replying to her posts. Musk’s interactions ramped up as Fong posted more political content in support of Trump, and Musk followed her last summer.
That sort of attention from Musk on X, where he has 219 million followers, sent droves of followers to Fong, which was a financial boon. More engagement meant more earnings for her as part of a revenue-sharing program for creators on X.


During the height of her interactions with the billionaire owner, Fong earned $21,000 on the platform in a two-week period in November, according to a screenshot she posted.
That was about when Musk sent her a direct message asking if she was interested in having his child, according to people familiar with the matter. The two had never met in person.
Fong didn’t move forward with Musk because she pictured having children in a more traditional nuclear family, but confided to a few friends about the approach—including St. Clair, whom she knew as another conservative social-media figure—and how she worried that turning him down could hurt her earnings.
Once Musk learned that Fong disclosed the request to others, he chided her for not using discretion, according to the people, and unfollowed her. That contributed to a fall in her engagement, and her earnings declined.
St. Clair and Musk had met earlier, in the spring of 2023, after Musk began interacting with the influencer’s posts on X and followed her account. Soon after, they were exchanging direct messages before Musk invited her to visit the social-media platform’s San Francisco office, and then the relationship turned romantic.
Musk invited St. Clair, who had been an operations manager at a conservative media company that owns The Babylon Bee, onto his private plane for a trip to Rhode Island where he was visiting one of his sons at college.
The first time they had sex, Musk joked that they should “pick a name” for their future child. He frequently talked to her about having children, she said. It was months later on a New Year’s trip to St. Barts, that she told him that she was ovulating. He asked her “what are we waiting for?” and the two conceived their son on that trip, St. Clair said.
Being in his circle brought with it access to a constant stream of texts, particularly about his growing involvement in Trump’s election.
Before Musk publicly supported Trump, he texted her, “I can’t be President, but I can help Trump defeat Biden and I will.” In one text before Trump picked a running mate, viewed by the Journal, Musk asked St. Clair what she thought about Tulsi Gabbard as a vice presidential candidate, saying that in interviews she says “the right anti-establishment words.”
While Musk was in Pennsylvania canvassing for Trump before the election, Musk sent a series of texts about the urgency of winning the state to St. Clair. “In all of history, there has never been a competitive army composed of women. Not even once,” he wrote. “Men are made for war. Real men, anyway.” He followed up with: “I am in full war mode. Going to the front lines today. Must win PA.”
Protecting Elon
In the December phone call, Birchall told St. Clair that his job was to “protect Elon.” He told her that he has been happily married to the same woman, but he has “been very involved in family law courts, very extensively” through his work for Musk. “I feel like I’ve been through, like, three divorces,” he said.


Birchall worked in finance before becoming one of the top consiglieres in Musk’s orbit. Musk recruited him from Morgan Stanley’s private wealth management group, where he was part of a small team managing the businessman’s money.
The two men couldn’t be more different on the surface: Birchall is a practicing Mormon with a large family who works hard to keep a low profile.
Birchall’s formal responsibilities are wide ranging, from dispersing funds for Musk’s super PAC to assembling the team that helped Musk take Twitter private. His role as intermediary between Musk and some of the mothers happens in the background.
Musk often has Birchall step in to handle negotiations with the women over arrangements for the pregnancy and financial support after. The arrangements play out in similar ways for the different women, according to a document and people familiar with the matter.
Birchall was involved in acquiring the property for a compound in Austin where Musk imagined the women and his growing number of babies would all live among multiple residences, according to a person familiar with the matter. He is involved in other property deals across Musk’s different businesses.
Zilis lives in the gated community with their children, and Musk comes and goes. Musk also attempted to get Grimes to move to the compound, but she refused. Similarly, he tried to get St. Clair to spend some time in Austin “with our kid legion,” according to a text he sent her.
Birchall said on the December call with St. Clair the NDAs are necessary. “We have been through way too many issues where, to not sign some agreement associated with handing over 15-plus million dollars is absolutely insane and irresponsible, and because we have dealt with some very unstable, mentally unstable, people that all of a sudden misremember things,” he said.
He added that his boss “cannot allow people to just go and share his life information. He is the biggest lightning rod on the entire planet.”
When Birchall told St. Clair that other mothers signed similar secrecy agreements, she observed that they didn’t seem happy. Zilis, Birchall said, “goes in and out of finding contentment” but Grimes wasn’t “ever going to find true happiness.”
‘I want to knock you up again’
Grimes claimed on X that her court battle with Musk over custody of their three children bankrupted her and that she had “a fraction of [Musk’s] resources (or iq/ strategy experience)” to navigate the family court system.
Musk had sued Grimes in 2023 in Texas to establish the “parent-child relationship,” and Grimes countersued in California for primary physical custody.


She alleged that Musk kept one of their children from her for five months and that, during court proceedings, Musk’s team dug up parts of her past to portray her as a bad mother. The two had dated in 2018 before having kids.
Birchall featured prominently in Musk’s fight with Grimes, acting as a go-between for various negotiations between the musician and Musk. Birchall was also present in the Austin courtroom during their court fight. The case has been resolved and is now sealed. Grimes and Musk alternate weeks with the children, according to people familiar with the matter.
St. Clair had a front-row seat to the custody battle, since she was dating Musk at the time and he updated her on the deliberations.
A year later, she was in her own fight with Musk.
After becoming pregnant with their son, St. Clair and Musk’s relationship progressed with Musk sending her flowers on her birthday and Mother’s Day. St. Clair’s toddler from a prior relationship had playdates with Musk’s young children, and she and the toddler met Musk’s mother, Maye.
At one point St. Clair had a custom-made black “Make America Great Again” hat with Gothic style font made for Musk, a twist on the bright red cap. Musk wore it everywhere, even referencing it in stump speeches for Trump during the election. In November, Musk responded to a selfie she texted him saying: “I want to knock you up again.”



While she was pregnant, Musk had urged her to deliver the baby via caesarean section and told her he didn’t want the child to be circumcised. (Musk has posted on X that vaginal births limit brain size and that C-sections allow for larger brains.) St. Clair is Jewish and circumcisions are an important ritual in the religion, and she decided against a C-section. He told her she should have 10 babies, and they debated the child’s middle name.
Once she became visibly pregnant, she mostly stayed inside her apartment so the pregnancy wouldn’t become public, she said. During her pregnancy, Musk instructed Birchall to send St. Clair $2 million for expenses, she said, with half of that amount structured as a loan, according to a text message viewed by the Journal. She used the funds in part to pay for security, which came to more than $100,000 a month, she said.
When she was in the hospital being induced for labor in September, Birchall texted her about leaving Musk’s name off the birth certificate, according to texts viewed by the Journal. Shortly before, she had hired an attorney, something Birchall had warned her not to do.
She complied with the request to not name Musk on the birth certificate. Not long after the birth, Birchall pushed St. Clair to sign documents keeping the father of the baby and details regarding her relationship with Musk secret in return for financial support. The offer was a one-time fee of $15 million for a home and living expenses, plus an additional $100,000 a month until the baby turned 21.
Musk told her by text it was dangerous to reveal his relationship to the baby, describing himself as the “#2 after Trump for assassination.” He added that “only the paranoid survive.”
But she didn’t sign. The agreement prevented her from speaking about Musk in relation to the child or disparaging him, but didn’t bar Musk from speaking negatively about her if he wanted. St. Clair would have to pay back the $15 million lump sum if she broke the agreement.
One of the main sticking points, she said, was that it would make her son feel illegitimate. The agreement didn’t provide support for their child if he became gravely ill or a trust fund or life insurance if Musk died before the child turned 21. The agreement would also not have an allotment for security expenses.



She also wanted a paternity test. Courts in New York, where St. Clair lives, require the test to sanction child-support agreements, said Karen B. Rosenthal, one of St. Clair’s attorneys.
A few times, St. Clair tried to hash things out directly with the billionaire, but she said he ignored her texts. In February, when she learned of a tabloid preparing a story about their relationship, she decided to front-run it and posted about it on X, making everything public for the first time, she said.
“Five months ago, I welcomed a new baby into the world. Elon Musk is the father,” she wrote. “I have not previously disclosed this to protect our child’s privacy and safety, but in recent days it has become clear that tabloid media intends to do so, regardless of the harm it will cause.”
Four days after the post, Musk eliminated the $15 million fee offer. Then, as they went to court to discuss paternity testing and Musk’s request for a gag order, he lowered the financial offer further, dropping her support to $40,000 a month, just as her legal fees were set to balloon in the fight.
On Thursday, the Journal contacted Musk for comment for this article. On Friday, St. Clair didn’t receive her scheduled child support payment from Musk, she said. Late on Tuesday, she said Musk’s team sent her $20,000, halving her stipend again.
“The timing of the reduction in payments from him are timed with disagreements on testing and gag orders. The only conclusion we can make is that money is being weaponized,” said Dror Bikel, another of St. Clair’s attorneys. St. Clair’s legal fees have exceeded $240,000, Rosenthal said.
The case is working its way through the New York Supreme Court, which ordered that Musk take the paternity test.
On Friday, the results came back. A report from Labcorp stated that the “Probability of Paternity” was 99.9999%.


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You can tell from this how paranoid, delusional and mentally disturbed is Musk. I feel he is in desperate need of professional help here.
 
@RexRex, such a lengthy article. I skimmed through it fast. He has lots of baby mommas. He obvioulsy does not believe in traditional marriage and being a parent in the household. He obviously has no time for it.

I did catch the paragraph where he was saying that uneducated and third world countries are having more babies while US and Europe and declining. Basically he wants smart people that can provide to make more babies. At least that is what he seems to be conveying. Can easily be understood for its racist undertones. The suspicion immediately shifts to Musk calling South Asians and Africans as inferior.
 
Sad state of affairs. The governments in the west are compromised, and they have made life expensive for everyone which is why people are not having kids.

White race or people need to stay in majority. I never wanted to immigrate to go to another India or Africa.
 
Pakistanis will suffer a lot if the whites become a minority because that means Indians/East Asians become majority and they are extremely tribal population groups and have no sense of fairness or lack of bias. Both of these population groups are extremely racist in their home countries. And they would make life hell for other minorities in western countries if they become majority. I would rather move back to Pakistan if Canada ever becomes a white minority country.
 
@RexRex, such a lengthy article. I skimmed through it fast. He has lots of baby mommas. He obvioulsy does not believe in traditional marriage and being a parent in the household. He obviously has no time for it.

I did catch the paragraph where he was saying that uneducated and third world countries are having more babies while US and Europe and declining. Basically he wants smart people that can provide to make more babies. At least that is what he seems to be conveying. Can easily be understood for its racist undertones. The suspicion immediately shifts to Musk calling South Asians and Africans as inferior.
You can compare the average IQ of South Asians and Africans with European countries. You will have your answer. Some African countries have IQ lower than a gorilla. And South Asian countries have an average IQ in the 70s. Why do we want to hide our head in the sand? Most of our population is sub human. Its a reason we escaped those hell holes to come to the West. Lack of self awareness and being egoistic is a very indian trait which you are exhibiting here fully.

Indian mass immigration would destroy the west.
 
Pakistanis will suffer a lot if the whites become a minority because that means Indians/East Asians become majority and they are extremely tribal population groups and have no sense of fairness or lack of bias. Both of these population groups are extremely racist in their home countries. And they would make life hell for other minorities in western countries if they become majority. I would rather move back to Pakistan if Canada ever becomes a white minority country.

I agree with this part.

It is not just Indians or Chinese. Minority groups tend to be communal. So, things can get messy.
 
In Canada, white population is around 70% now. Probably even less.

In Toronto, visible minority is the majority.
Not where i live, the expensive neighbourhoods are still white majority and thankgod. I dont want to see turbans and red dots when i walk around the street. Our forefathers literally fought a battle of independence to be away from them.
 
Not where i live, the expensive neighbourhoods are still white majority and thankgod. I dont want to see turbans and red dots when i walk around the street. Our forefathers literally fought a battle of independence to be away from them.

I see. That's nice.

I am in Scarborough. My area barely has any white. It is all Chinese, blacks, and desis (very mixed area).
 
I agree with this part.

It is not just Indians or Chinese. Minority groups tend to be communal. So, things can get messy.
Exactly, so we need to support a government that supports the end of mass immigration. Otherwise we will become another UK, i dont want this to happen to Canada, a country i truly cherish.
 
I see. That's nice.

I am in Scarborough. My area barely has any white. It is all Chinese, blacks, and desis (very mixed area).
Yeah scarbs was considered low income, back in the 90s a lot of tamil tiger types moved there. Absolute vile folks. And yes black, desis, refugees etc.

Now since everything has become so expensive in GTA, no area is safe. Pockets like Halton, Milton, Ajax, Aurora, Vaughan still okay. And then of course mid town, yorkville, core downtown is still pretty good.

However the east end (moss park) or the west end (kipling) are deplorable.
 
Yeah scarbs was considered low income, back in the 90s a lot of tamil tiger types moved there. Absolute vile folks. And yes black, desis, refugees etc.

Now since everything has become so expensive in GTA, no area is safe. Pockets like Halton, Milton, Ajax, Aurora, Vaughan still okay. And then of course mid town, yorkville, core downtown is still pretty good.

However the east end (moss park) or the west end (kipling) are deplorable.

Scarborough is a big region. Some parts are low-income. Some parts are not.

I live in the middle-income area. There are many houses here.

Anyway, it has been cleaned up in the 2000's. There was a police operation. Gang violence has gone down significantly.

Also, many desis and Chinese have moved in. So, it is cleaner now.
 
Scarborough is a big region. Some parts are low-income. Some parts are not.

I live in the middle-income area. There are many houses here.

Anyway, it has been cleaned up in the 2000's. There was a police operation. Gang violence has gone down significantly.

Also, many desis and Chinese have moved in. So, it is cleaner now.
Yeah its still much better than Brampton, which is 70% Indian and 20% black. And we all know how much of a hellhole that peaceful nice neighbourhood has become. If this example is not alarming for Canadian politicians then theres nothing that can fix it. Imagine if whole Canada became 70% Indian, it will be worse than third world.
 
Yeah its still much better than Brampton, which is 70% Indian and 20% black. And we all know how much of a hellhole that peaceful nice neighbourhood has become. If this example is not alarming for Canadian politicians then theres nothing that can fix it. Imagine if whole Canada became 70% Indian, it will be worse than third world.

Brampton and Jane areas are the worst. Agree.

I never visit Brampton, unless I really have to.
 
You can compare the average IQ of South Asians and Africans with European countries. You will have your answer. Some African countries have IQ lower than a gorilla. And South Asian countries have an average IQ in the 70s. Why do we want to hide our head in the sand? Most of our population is sub human. Its a reason we escaped those hell holes to come to the West. Lack of self awareness and being egoistic is a very indian trait which you are exhibiting here fully.

Indian mass immigration would destroy the west.
Any studies on the IQ's of African and South Asian countries?

Why will Indian immigration destroy West? Most are well educated and are the highest earners in the West. They are no burden to the society. You have shown your ignorance and stupidity in one post. Congrats.
 
Any studies on the IQ's of African and South Asian countries?

Why will Indian immigration destroy West? Most are well educated and are the highest earners in the West. They are no burden to the society. You have shown your ignorance and stupidity in one post. Congrats.

Since you don't live in Canada, I guess you are not well-informed about certain details.

Many of the Indians who migrate to Canada have been committing crimes. Please see this thread --> https://ppforum.pakpassion.net/thre...ted-for-multiple-rape-cases-in-canada.315939/.

It is possible blame lies with Canadian immigration system which became very loose under Trudeau. It is possible America attracts better Indians than Canada.
 
Any studies on the IQ's of African and South Asian countries?

Why will Indian immigration destroy West? Most are well educated and are the highest earners in the West. They are no burden to the society. You have shown your ignorance and stupidity in one post. Congrats.
Google is your friend, if you cannot find any resources let me know. Im not feeling well and dont want to go through that exercise right now.

Most are not well educated. Most are bunch of scamsters, cant speak proper english, dont assimilate, have awful hygiene, abuse the system and are radical hindutvas or radical khalistanis. They come through hook or crook. Be it diploma mills, asylum, jumping the border etc. Do odd jobs on full time basis such as working in a Tim Hortons where they take away the summer jobs from students.

Any third world immigrants in critical mass are extremely dangerous to the host society and other minorities. India happens to top the list because their population does not stop growing and neither does their lust to leave their country. Thats why they are under the microscope.
 
Since you don't live in Canada, I guess you are not well-informed about certain details.

Many of the Indians who migrate to Canada have been committing crimes. Please see this thread --> https://ppforum.pakpassion.net/thre...ted-for-multiple-rape-cases-in-canada.315939/.

It is possible blame lies with Canadian immigration system which became very loose under Trudeau. It is possible America attracts better Indians than Canada.
No, america isnt attracting better Indians either. Indians simply are incapable of leaving their bad habits, its part of their culture. I have met super educated indians who still have really bad body odor. I wish i was proven wrong but it has always been the case unfortunately.

Indian H1Bs are known fraudsters, and so are Indian companies like TCS. They do multiple jobs at the same time, scam and abuse the system. Under-cut the host population and take away their jobs. Have anchor babies etc.
 
Since you don't live in Canada, I guess you are not well-informed about certain details.

Many of the Indians who migrate to Canada have been committing crimes. Please see this thread --> https://ppforum.pakpassion.net/thre...ted-for-multiple-rape-cases-in-canada.315939/.

It is possible blame lies with Canadian immigration system which became very loose under Trudeau. It is possible America attracts better Indians than Canada.
Before you comment on Brampton, you know who you and your friend are calling inferior. The Punjabis and mostly Sikh immigrants. Many are illiterate. I don't live in Canada. But did travel to Brampton and I know the settings there.

PS - They do not even consider themselves Indians. Met a few and I can see the disgust in their faces when they see an Indian. They want nothing to do with India.

When they commit crime, they are Indians. When they don't, they are proud Khalistanis and many on this board support their independence. 🙄
 
No, america isnt attracting better Indians either. Indians simply are incapable of leaving their bad habits, its part of their culture. I have met super educated indians who still have really bad body odor. I wish i was proven wrong but it has always been the case unfortunately.

Indian H1Bs are known fraudsters, and so are Indian companies like TCS. They do multiple jobs at the same time, scam and abuse the system. Under-cut the host population and take away their jobs. Have anchor babies etc.

I see.

Not surprised at all.

But, I think American immigration system is more robust than Canada's. Canada became way too loose under Trudeau.
 
Before you comment on Brampton, you know who you and your friend are calling inferior. The Punjabis and mostly Sikh immigrants. Many are illiterate. I don't live in Canada. But did travel to Brampton and I know the settings there.

PS - They do not even consider themselves Indians. Met a few and I can see the disgust in their faces when they see an Indian. They want nothing to do with India.

When they commit crime, they are Indians. When they don't, they are proud Khalistanis and many on this board support their independence. 🙄
You and they can do all the mental gymnastics but they are indians and we dont care about your local conflicts. I wouldnt disown a balochi or pathan just because hes pro liberation. They are our enemies but i cannot separate them from their pakistani identity. Indians think they are too clever but you are not.
 
Google is your friend, if you cannot find any resources let me know. Im not feeling well and dont want to go through that exercise right now.

Most are not well educated. Most are bunch of scamsters, cant speak proper english, dont assimilate, have awful hygiene, abuse the system and are radical hindutvas or radical khalistanis. They come through hook or crook. Be it diploma mills, asylum, jumping the border etc. Do odd jobs on full time basis such as working in a Tim Hortons where they take away the summer jobs from students.

Any third world immigrants in critical mass are extremely dangerous to the host society and other minorities. India happens to top the list because their population does not stop growing and neither does their lust to leave their country. Thats why they are under the microscope.
Would you say the same to Pakistanis and Bangladeshis in Britain?

I do not support illegal immigration. Indian or not, they should be kicked out if they jump the fence.
 
I see.

Not surprised at all.

But, I think American immigration system is more robust than Canada's. Canada became way too loose under Trudeau.
It is definitely more robust as they have immigration caps by country which is badly the need of the hour in Canada.
 
Would you say the same to Pakistanis and Bangladeshis in Britain?

I do not support illegal immigration. Indian or not, they should be kicked out if they jump the fence.
I say the same about Pakistanis in UK. Look up my views. I bash them even more than Indians.

You missed my point: critical mass of “any” third world immigration is destructive to the society.
 
You and they can do all the mental gymnastics but they are indians and we dont care about your local conflicts. I wouldnt disown a balochi or pathan just because hes pro liberation. They are our enemies but i cannot separate them from their pakistani identity. Indians think they are too clever but you are not.

Agree.

Some Indians act like Khalistanis are different people. They are Indians too. There is nothing officially called "Khalistan".

As per Champ_Pal, if an Indian commits fraud/crime, he is a Khalistani. If not, he is an Indian. :yk
 
No, america isnt attracting better Indians either. Indians simply are incapable of leaving their bad habits, its part of their culture. I have met super educated indians who still have really bad body odor. I wish i was proven wrong but it has always been the case unfortunately.

Indian H1Bs are known fraudsters, and so are Indian companies like TCS. They do multiple jobs at the same time, scam and abuse the system. Under-cut the host population and take away their jobs. Have anchor babies etc.
Your hatred towards Indians is blinding your intelligence or lack of it.

Asian Americans are the highest income earners in US and among them, Indians rank the first. Carry on with your propaganda.:facepalm

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Your hatred towards Indians is blinding your intelligence or lack of it.

Asian Americans are the highest income earners in US and among them, Indians rank the first. Carry on with your propaganda.:facepalm

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Grow up. No one cares about how much money you make if you are alien to their society and abuse their systems and refuse to assimilate. Did you not see the hate indians got with the H1B issue? Do you think people see your $$$$ and get impressed? No, they dont. If you are going to take away the jobs of their kids, treat their countries as economic zones, and act as parasites, you will be kicked like the jews were kicked from more than 100 countries and they were not even a big population.
 
Indians have been historically kicked out from Uganda and Fiji Islands. Do some research on why.
 
Agree.

Some Indians act like Khalistanis are different people. They are Indians too. There is nothing officially called "Khalistan".

As per Champ_Pal, if an Indian commits fraud/crime, he is a Khalistani. If not, he is an Indian. :yk
We consider all Sikhs as Indians. But the types that go to Canada do not consider themselves Indian. They are all proud Khallis.
 
Indians have been historically kicked out from Uganda and Fiji Islands. Do some research on why.
By whom? Idi Amin the dirtbag dictator?

Indian dominate business wherever they go. So the ones that cannot compete have to resort to violence. You seem to be glorifying the dictators.
 
Grow up. No one cares about how much money you make if you are alien to their society and abuse their systems and refuse to assimilate. Did you not see the hate indians got with the H1B issue? Do you think people see your $$$$ and get impressed? No, they dont. If you are going to take away the jobs of their kids, treat their countries as economic zones, and act as parasites, you will be kicked like the jews were kicked from more than 100 countries and they were not even a big population.
Sure buddy. No one cares about money. Its all about praying to God and seeking blessings right?

Indians as a group are highest income earners, highest educated bunch and highest taxpayers in US. But you think all of this is useless because some commit h1b fraud.

:facepalm
 
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Sure buddy. No one cares about money. Its all about praying to God and seeking blessings right?

Indians as a group are highest income earners, highest educated bunch and highest taxpayers in US. But you think all of this is useless because some commit h1b fraud.

Burnol please :facepalm
Stay deluded, and think of yourself as the mighty Indians. The Biharis of the world. Let me not rain down on your parade, bud.
 
Pakistanis will suffer a lot if the whites become a minority because that means Indians/East Asians become majority and they are extremely tribal population groups and have no sense of fairness or lack of bias.

Don't Pakistanis become tribal & disciminate when they become a majority ? You left them out of the equation above.
 
Don't Pakistanis become tribal & disciminate when they become a majority ? You left them out of the equation above.
Pakistanis will never be a majority minority group in any country. Our baby making machine neighbours take care of that.
 
Not where i live, the expensive neighbourhoods are still white majority and thankgod. I dont want to see turbans and red dots when i walk around the street. Our forefathers literally fought a battle of independence to be away from them.
I think you seeing red dots and turbans cannot be avoided. The reason is those are the highest percentage of people coming to Canada.

The expensive neighborhoods have a more white population that is correct. The reason is that it is difficult for immigrants to purchase houses in those areas, very few would manage , where as a lot of house owned by those whites are inherited.
 
Grow up. No one cares about how much money you make if you are alien to their society and abuse their systems and refuse to assimilate. Did you not see the hate indians got with the H1B issue? Do you think people see your $$$$ and get impressed? No, they dont. If you are going to take away the jobs of their kids, treat their countries as economic zones, and act as parasites, you will be kicked like the jews were kicked from more than 100 countries and they were not even a big population.
Fraud cannot be stopped completely but can be reduced to a great extent.
In Canada Trudeau and Jagmeet do not want that to happen. They put their own power ahead of their country's interests. We all know which states from India are involved in fraud , but nothing was done to stop that. Recently Australia banned a few states from India for study permits. I think you know about them. Canada needs this kind of strong action.
 
Whats the issue? Dish out more H1B visas to Indians.

DNA transition at the economical level!

Lol
 
Your hatred towards Indians is blinding your intelligence or lack of it.

Asian Americans are the highest income earners in US and among them, Indians rank the first. Carry on with your propaganda.:facepalm

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I am not saying I agree with the comments you used this as a response to, but quite honestly this is comparing apples to oranges. The fact Indians are high earners does not somehow negate what he is saying.

I personally have seen rather high earning Indians who are honest and ethical but I have also seen really high earning shady businessmen, as well as doctors and other educated folks who are Indians.

By the way this is not just Indians either, Pakistanis, Chinese, other Asians, etc are all known for finding get rich quick schemes and they are usually through unethical means. So posting a high dollar figure in front of a nationality somehow does not qualify them as "good" or "decent" citizens, in my view. You should try and prove your point through some other methods than using "money".
 
I have to agree somewhat with @Slim because I have Indian friends who are highly educated but the BO problem is there. I think it might be a non-issue for them because they are accustomed to it. We all know where it comes from, its the rich spices used in cooking which then spreads out everywhere in the house and gets in the clothes. It does not by any means indicate bad hygiene by the way.
 
The Cubans and Columbians that are racist will take over, man wish all Latinos were like Mexicans and not these white Latinos.
 
Did you read the long Elon Musk article in WSJ yesterday about his baby farms ? Kinda creepy. Particularly notable was his statement that third world babies are now outnumbering white babies, that he wanted to stop the tide and the world should produce more intelligent babies.

I never really know whether to take Musk seriously, what with the Nazi salutes, and now this white baby farm nonsense.

But one thing I've learned, it's amazing how quickly people's attitudes can change in the west, and what was considered ludicrous yesterday can become common sentiment tomorrow.
 
You and they can do all the mental gymnastics but they are indians and we dont care about your local conflicts. I wouldnt disown a balochi or pathan just because hes pro liberation. They are our enemies but i cannot separate them from their pakistani identity. Indians think they are too clever but you are not.

His attempts to distance India from the Punjabis or Biharis is just proving your point. If Indians are so capable of discriminating among their own, then you can hardly blame white people for it.
 
I have to agree somewhat with @Slim because I have Indian friends who are highly educated but the BO problem is there. I think it might be a non-issue for them because they are accustomed to it. We all know where it comes from, its the rich spices used in cooking which then spreads out everywhere in the house and gets in the clothes. It does not by any means indicate bad hygiene by the way.
We eat similar food, and yet our people dont smell. Its about taking a shower, wearing different clothes after you cook and using exhaust fan and doing proper ventilation. Its not just food. I dont think these people like taking showers or taking care of their body hair.
 
His attempts to distance India from the Punjabis or Biharis is just proving your point. If Indians are so capable of discriminating among their own, then you can hardly blame white people for it.
Like i said, Indians are the most racist ethnic group. They not only discriminate on ethnicity, but on religion, and most importantly caste. It would be a nightmare if they become a majority in any other country.
 
We eat similar food, and yet our people dont smell. Its about taking a shower, wearing different clothes after you cook and using exhaust fan and doing proper ventilation. Its not just food. I dont think these people like taking showers or taking care of their body hair.
Our cuisine has maybe deviated vastly since partition because I have been to Indian households. Hindu and Muslim and I can tell you their spices are stronger and a bit different than ours. Ours are milder and don’t give off as much odor.
The point about body hair is legit though
 
Before you comment on Brampton, you know who you and your friend are calling inferior. The Punjabis and mostly Sikh immigrants. Many are illiterate. I don't live in Canada. But did travel to Brampton and I know the settings there.

PS - They do not even consider themselves Indians. Met a few and I can see the disgust in their faces when they see an Indian. They want nothing to do with India.

When they commit crime, they are Indians. When they don't, they are proud Khalistanis and many on this board support their independence. 🙄
Regardless of what anyone claim, they are Indian to anyone who isn't Indian.
 
Regardless of what anyone claim, they are Indian to anyone who isn't Indian.

Same applies to Pakistanis as well .. they don't have a unique identity in the West; everybody who isn't Indian sees them as Indians.
 
I never really know whether to take Musk seriously, what with the Nazi salutes, and now this white baby farm nonsense.

But one thing I've learned, it's amazing how quickly people's attitudes can change in the west, and what was considered ludicrous yesterday can become common sentiment tomorrow.

Elon is pretty much a white nationalist, just not as overt as some in the MAGA world. He did grow up during the Apartheid days after all. Same goes for the whole right-wing anti-abortion movement in the USA; it's all about making more white babies and partly to police promiscuity, it has nothing to do with the Christian sacredness of life.
 
Same applies to Pakistanis as well .. they don't have a unique identity in the West; everybody who isn't Indian sees them as Indians.
True, but a Pakistani can always set the record straight by saying, "I’m from Pakistan". Indian Punjabis or Indian Gujaratis are from India.
 
Our cuisine has maybe deviated vastly since partition because I have been to Indian households. Hindu and Muslim and I can tell you their spices are stronger and a bit different than ours. Ours are milder and don’t give off as much odor.
The point about body hair is legit though
I agree, i dont like indian food. Other than maybe dosa, i havent found any indian food that i like. Their spices are definitely vastly different but what i meant was if we dont follow ventilation techniques, our clothes would also smell of spice of course maybe not as strong. Major self awareness issues tbh.
 
Same applies to Pakistanis as well .. they don't have a unique identity in the West; everybody who isn't Indian sees them as Indians.
A lot of educated canadians can differentiate between Pakistanis and Indians to be honest. Not sure about where you live.
 
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