The way Pakistani batsmen play spin is becoming very concerning

[PakSarZameen]

I don't think anyone expected us to play brilliantly against the fast bowlers in this tour. However, what has been the most concerning issue off late is how badly we have struggled against the spinners. Whether it is Santner, Williamson, Sodhi or Astle. There's not one spinner who we dominated.

For a subcontinental side, known for its quality against spin, we have performed absolutely abysmal against the spinners. Sarfraz is supposedly one of the best players of spin in the world, yet he looks like a club cricketer whenever leg spinners/left arm spinners are introduced.

One thing I will mention is, this issue against spin is not something that started in this tour. The reason we were whitewashed in the Test series against Sri Lanka was also due to the same reason. We could not handle Herath's spin bowling at all.

Is this the future? Have our new batsmen lost the ability to play spin?

 

[babajee]

Everything that could have gone wrong, has gone wrong on this tour.

Need to get out of NZ ASAP....

 

[Savak]

Problem is we have always lost early wickets and the batsmen have been unable to show guts against the spinners as they were always under pressure to consolidate. The bigger concern should be the way they have batted against Colin Munro. In the Modern ODI game you have to take full advantage of the non-regular bowlers.

Satner's arm ball has created fear and confusion in the minds of the batsmen.

 

[Syed1]

Everything that could have gone wrong, has gone wrong on this tour.

Need to get out of NZ ASAP....

Lagta hai paros mein kisi ne boys pe jaadoo tona kar ke phoonk diya hai

 

[PakSarZameen]

Everything that could have gone wrong, has gone wrong on this tour.

Need to get out of NZ ASAP....

My post is not solely about this tour as I mentioned. The reason we lost the Test series against Sri Lanka was down to the same reason.

 

[babajee]

Lagta hai paros mein kisi ne boys pe jaadoo tona kar ke phoonk diya hai

Koi baat nahi

Wo bhi whitewash hojainge... Allah insaaf karega.

 

[Syed1]

Still believe it is a matter of one brilliant performance and all will fall in place. If someone like a Fakhar or a Fahim smash a 60-70 then the rest of the batsmen will feed of their energy and smash this overrated Kiwi side who can only play at home.

 

[CadPakFan]

Still believe it is a matter of one brilliant performance and all will fall in place. If someone like a Fakhar or a Fahim smash a 60-70 then the rest of the batsmen will feed of their energy and smash this overrated Kiwi side who can only play at home.

Don't bash NZ like this, they may not be that amazing but not as overrated as your making them out to be, I know Pakistan have been pretty poor this series but you have to give credit to the way they've played, NZ have also been technically good, they've managed to work out some of our batsman and bowlers. But I still do agree that we would've done much better if we had even one preformance from the top order each game.

 

[BaankeJi]

Now what about Tests? If they can't play spin, then it will be hard to draw tests.

 

[barah_admi]

playing spin has been a concern for a while now, but with Khan and Misbah in the side and back when Shafiq was in form, they had players to steady boat...talking about tests

In ODIs it has been a long, long issue.

 

[Deewana Mastana]

They can't play at all. Period.

 

[giri26]

Pakistan have struggled against spin from time to time even when Yousuf, Younis and Misbah were in the squad. Remember them getting out to Herath in a game chasing a low 160 odd. The current generation of players cannot play any variation. The reason for spinners in huge demand in all the leagues is because of that.

 

[jaf348]

Pakistan have struggled against spin from time to time even when Yousuf, Younis and Misbah were in the squad. Remember them getting out to Herath in a game chasing a low 160 odd. The current generation of players cannot play any variation. The reason for spinners in huge demand in all the leagues is because of that.

Getting out to Herath on a 5th day rank turner is one thing.

These clowns have been getting out to nothing deliveries in NZ which is traditionally a spinners graveyard. How many times this series have we seen Santner slow it down and give it extra flight when it's so obvious the Pak batsman is going to try to hit down the ground or bowl a wide one when even a 5 year old can tell he's about to charge down the wicket and get stumped.

 

[Savak]

I wonder if the lack of quality spinners in domestic cricket is a problem?

 

[Rayyman]

True, besides Hafeez. He is a master of playing spin.

 

[dhonixi]

So pakistan has problem in top order, middle order, spin playing, fast bowling playing, fielding. Must be very easy to rectify only this much problems

 

[shane]

Change the coaches if you want, but it won't change the results.

 

[shariqnoor]

Contrary to public perception, Pakistan has never played quality spin well since ages. Warne, MacGill, Muralitharan, Kumble, Herath all have incredible records against Pakistan.

 

[Buffet]

I don't recall Pakistan playing top class spin well any time to be honest.

Having said that you can struggle against even no names spinners if you lack confidence and that's the case right now.

 

[troodon]

To me Misbah was one of the best players of spin ever. The man toyed with spinners. Looked so much assured when playing quality spinners. His weakness is against pace.

Pak should use Misbah as their spin coach. Grant flower may not be the correct man when teaching players how to play spin.

 

[Markhor]

One of the dumbest critiques during the Misbah era was that we "bashed spin" too much.

Given we play the vast majority of cricket in slow, low conditions such as Asia, UAE, West Indies and Zimbabwe - damn right, you should be strong against spin.

Right now, we're even losing that ability.

 

[Pete Rose]

One of the dumbest critiques during the Misbah era was that we "bashed spin" too much.

Given we play the vast majority of cricket in slow, low conditions such as Asia, UAE, West Indies and Zimbabwe - damn right, you should be strong against spin.

Right now, we're even losing that ability.

Well, I think this is a unique situation, on this tour, where we just dont have enough wickets in hand to do anything by the time spin comes along.
As for Santner he is a left arm-spinner: thats kryptonite of Pakistani batsman since Moyo's days.

 

[StreetSmart]

I don't recall Pakistan playing top class spin well any time to be honest.

Having said that you can struggle against even no names spinners if you lack confidence and that's the case right now.

I remember how they made Nathan Hauritz a demon

 

[Syed1]

One of the dumbest critiques during the Misbah era was that we "bashed spin" too much.

Given we play the vast majority of cricket in slow, low conditions such as Asia, UAE, West Indies and Zimbabwe - damn right, you should be strong against spin.

Right now, we're even losing that ability.

Babar Azam was nudging fulltosses of part-timers to mid wicket for singles. Haris Sohail was tuk tukking to a part-timer and then drove a full-pitched nothing ball to covers.


This does not have to do with lack of ability, but pressure of the situation. Any batsmen will make fatal errors if they are batting at 15/3 every match.

 

[UP]

Can’t forget what Marcus North did to us

 

[Fahdi]

For most of the LO tournaments at the domestic level over the past 5 years the spinners have been really hard to hit. The pitches are slow and batsmen have to generate all the pace. You won't see many drives through the covers in local tournaments against spinners. The techniques of up and coming batsmen are being deteriorated when it comes to scoring fast against spin. The spinners on the other hand are darters for the most part; they hardly try to spin the ball.

 

[Hasan123]

It has been a problem for a while. Our pitches in domestic don't help. They don't really spin so it turns spinners into darters and batsmen dont learn how to play spin from a young age.

 

[khurram39]

All blame goes to pitches in Pakistan.

 

[Justcrazy]

Quality of batting is low right now in Pakistan . Its not whether spin or fast or bouncy or seam.

 

[Abdullah719]

Disgusting batting today.

 

[Dark_Horse]

we should look towards england as a home ground since our batting coach probably only knows a bit about conditions

 

[Zakaz]

Agreed whole heartedly, while our talent, world number one spinner yasir shah struggles to take a single wicket on 5th day, nathan lyon takes 4 wickets in 6 balls on the first day