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Rafale Nidhal said:
Triple H ego will never let him put AJ over again and in the main title picture, Vince and Shane were the only reason why AJ got hired and then pushed.

Imagine you have someone with the same skills of Shawn and active and you are using him in your mid-card and pushing a has been Rollins to main event after countless fails.
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It's just unfathomable to me how he has been booked and treated by Triple H. You would think he killed his pet dog or something.
 
@RedwoodOriginal

Funnily enough, there has been chatter on AJ all over social media recently, he reportedly signed a 1 year extension. I wouldn’t personally read too much into it because during the final year of his contract, he was injured for most of the year, knowing his character, he probably feels he owes it to everyone, to make up for that lost time. I am not sure, but I think the way the contracts are written, they have the option to extend for 1 year anyway right? So it seems like a no brainer on paper.

I don’t think AEW would have made a play for him either for this reason, but this time next year will be very interesting, will he inform the company he hopes to retire / take on a backstage role etc or take an offer from elsewhere, maybe that backstage NXT gig will not necessarily be there for him if H has the power to make that decision.

On the surface, an AEW move would be appealing from a in-ring POV, but AJ will risk taking some nasty bumps, and does he need that right now? If AJ is careful like Sting was, it could work out, but I doubt that and AJ will be aware of what the fans want to see; it’s about his desire internally to, maybe he can’t recall that feeling of being satisfied after being given a big platform to show his true worth.

If I was AJ I’d tell H I want to retire and do it right, I’d get an agreement to do a whole angle around it and try my best to get a big send-off, then I’d show up in AEW right after :yk3 Does that remind you of anyone :yk2

This is funny though:

https://twitter.com/x/status/1940747866336907435
 
shaz619 said:
@RedwoodOriginal

Funnily enough, there has been chatter on AJ all over social media recently, he reportedly signed a 1 year extension. I wouldn’t personally read too much into it because during the final year of his contract, he was injured for most of the year, knowing his character, he probably feels he owes it to everyone, to make up for that lost time. I am not sure, but I think the way the contracts are written, they have the option to extend for 1 year anyway right? So it seems like a no brainer on paper.

I don’t think AEW would have made a play for him either for this reason, but this time next year will be very interesting, will he inform the company he hopes to retire / take on a backstage role etc or take an offer from elsewhere, maybe that backstage NXT gig will not necessarily be there for him if H has the power to make that decision.

On the surface, an AEW move would be appealing from a in-ring POV, but AJ will risk taking some nasty bumps, and does he need that right now? If AJ is careful like Sting was, it could work out, but I doubt that and AJ will be aware of what the fans want to see; it’s about his desire internally to, maybe he can’t recall that feeling of being satisfied after being given a big platform to show his true worth.

If I was AJ I’d tell H I want to retire and do it right, I’d get an agreement to do a whole angle around it and try my best to get a big send-off, then I’d show up in AEW right after :yk3 Does that remind you of anyone :yk2

This is funny though:

https://twitter.com/x/status/1940747866336907435
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Don't think Paul sees the value in AJ. He's just been favoring the guys he likes. The whole Hurt Business wouldn't have left WWE if it weren't for Trips blatant disregard to put importance on the brilliant talent he has. MVP managed Lashley fantastically during his WWE championship run.
Austin Theory is similarly stuck in the same limbo. Even Randy and Drew aren't getting the top tier booking they deserve. Since Randy's return at Wargames 2023, he's had 2 stinker programs for Mania. One with Logan Paul and the other ill fated one due to KO's injury.
He needs to go back to NXT where he can have Seth as a 20 time champion and leave the main roster alone at this point.
 
Congratulations to the modern day Maharaja Jinder Mahal on getting married.

He reunited the 3MB crew apparently and they all showed up in Punjabi traditional wear with turban.
 
Bhaijaan said:
Congratulations to the modern day Maharaja Jinder Mahal on getting married.

He reunited the 3MB crew apparently and they all showed up in Punjabi traditional wear with turban.
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Should’ve done more with his character. Had the look but as usual with any ethnicity not found in the western world WWE reduces them just to their ethnicity and that’s it.

Jinder in his interviews comes across as a smart guy and you can see the Canadian upbringing in there too, can just let him be himself with some hints of culture which will naturally come out.

They are finally letting the Japanese women stars just be themselves instead of a simpleton Japanese caricature. Hope they do the same with the subcontinent too instead of just turning them into jobbers.

Sami Zayn as an Arab Muslim I’m happy for but can’t help but feel they are ok with it because he comes off as a white guy (not his fault ofc, can’t control how you look) but fault of that racist triple h.
 
Suleiman said:
Should’ve done more with his character. Had the look but as usual with any ethnicity not found in the western world WWE reduces them just to their ethnicity and that’s it.

Jinder in his interviews comes across as a smart guy and you can see the Canadian upbringing in there too, can just let him be himself with some hints of culture which will naturally come out.

They are finally letting the Japanese women stars just be themselves instead of a simpleton Japanese caricature. Hope they do the same with the subcontinent too instead of just turning them into jobbers.

Sami Zayn as an Arab Muslim I’m happy for but can’t help but feel they are ok with it because he comes off as a white guy (not his fault ofc, can’t control how you look) but fault of that racist triple h.
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Vince McMahon has always been resist towards Indians, Middle Easterners.

Iron Sheikh, Tiger Ali Singh, Mohammad Hasan, Jinder Mahal all had great talent but were misused by the WWE.

The silly things Americans have done with Indian characters make me cringe
 
Bhaijaan said:
Vince McMahon has always been resist towards Indians, Middle Easterners.

Iron Sheikh, Tiger Ali Singh, Mohammad Hasan, Jinder Mahal all had great talent but were misused by the WWE.

The silly things Americans have done with Indian characters make me cringe
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How can you take them seriously anyway? :inti

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Suleiman said:
Should’ve done more with his character. Had the look but as usual with any ethnicity not found in the western world WWE reduces them just to their ethnicity and that’s it.

Jinder in his interviews comes across as a smart guy and you can see the Canadian upbringing in there too, can just let him be himself with some hints of culture which will naturally come out.

They are finally letting the Japanese women stars just be themselves instead of a simpleton Japanese caricature. Hope they do the same with the subcontinent too instead of just turning them into jobbers.

Sami Zayn as an Arab Muslim I’m happy for but can’t help but feel they are ok with it because he comes off as a white guy (not his fault ofc, can’t control how you look) but fault of that racist triple h.
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Mustafa Ali is still probably the most talented South Asian heritage wrestler in WWE. Letting him go was pretty stupid by TKO or whoever.
 
shaz619 said:
@RedwoodOriginal

Funnily enough, there has been chatter on AJ all over social media recently, he reportedly signed a 1 year extension. I wouldn’t personally read too much into it because during the final year of his contract, he was injured for most of the year, knowing his character, he probably feels he owes it to everyone, to make up for that lost time. I am not sure, but I think the way the contracts are written, they have the option to extend for 1 year anyway right? So it seems like a no brainer on paper.

I don’t think AEW would have made a play for him either for this reason, but this time next year will be very interesting, will he inform the company he hopes to retire / take on a backstage role etc or take an offer from elsewhere, maybe that backstage NXT gig will not necessarily be there for him if H has the power to make that decision.

On the surface, an AEW move would be appealing from a in-ring POV, but AJ will risk taking some nasty bumps, and does he need that right now? If AJ is careful like Sting was, it could work out, but I doubt that and AJ will be aware of what the fans want to see; it’s about his desire internally to, maybe he can’t recall that feeling of being satisfied after being given a big platform to show his true worth.

If I was AJ I’d tell H I want to retire and do it right, I’d get an agreement to do a whole angle around it and try my best to get a big send-off, then I’d show up in AEW right after :yk3 Does that remind you of anyone :yk2

This is funny though:

https://twitter.com/x/status/1940747866336907435
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Hahahah that would he great. And I hope Tony throws such an enormous amount of money at AJ that the decision to go to AEW is basically a no-brainer.

I think AJ should take the money from Tony when his WWE deal is up and work a part-time schedule. Where he only has the big matches and feuds: Ospreay, Omega, MJF, Swerve.

Everything that AEW is today, and guys like Ospreay, Omega, Swerve etc. are, feels heavily inspired by AJ. I would love to see him have a short run where he is treated like one of the GOATs, which he very much is.
 
Suleiman said:
Should’ve done more with his character. Had the look but as usual with any ethnicity not found in the western world WWE reduces them just to their ethnicity and that’s it.

Jinder in his interviews comes across as a smart guy and you can see the Canadian upbringing in there too, can just let him be himself with some hints of culture which will naturally come out.

They are finally letting the Japanese women stars just be themselves instead of a simpleton Japanese caricature. Hope they do the same with the subcontinent too instead of just turning them into jobbers.

Sami Zayn as an Arab Muslim I’m happy for but can’t help but feel they are ok with it because he comes off as a white guy (not his fault ofc, can’t control how you look) but fault of that racist triple h.
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Bhaijaan said:
Vince McMahon has always been resist towards Indians, Middle Easterners.

Iron Sheikh, Tiger Ali Singh, Mohammad Hasan, Jinder Mahal all had great talent but were misused by the WWE.

The silly things Americans have done with Indian characters make me cringe
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Jinder was misused for sure. He had good mic skills, was decent in the ring and passed the eye test.

IMO the biggest mistake WWE has made while presenting non-American characters has been the obsessive focus on their nationality. They are never allowed to just be normal people with some depth. They are always some weird caricature of another culture who insist on reminding you of their nationality everytime they talk. During the 70s and 80s this served a purpose as it helped them demonize America's "enemies": Iran, Soviet Union, Iraq...
But by now, in 2025, they should know better. If they really claim to be a 'global' brand they shouldn't present characters from other cultures in such an ignorant way.
 
Bhaijaan said:
Vince McMahon has always been resist towards Indians, Middle Easterners.

Iron Sheikh, Tiger Ali Singh, Mohammad Hasan, Jinder Mahal all had great talent but were misused by the WWE.

The silly things Americans have done with Indian characters make me cringe
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With Indian characters I think they have just realized that they will have a massive following in India no matter what. So they don't really need to push an Indian wrestler to make an impact there. They are already big in that market.

Sami kinda works perfectly for them as a babyface in Canada and the Middle-East. So that's a happy coincidence for them..that they have someone who is not only one of the top babyfaces, but also someone who can be a fan favorite in multiple markets.
 
shaz619 said:
https://twitter.com/x/status/1940787200284836293

I think I speak for everyone that this is quiet true.
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Random thought: but this thumbnail reminded me of the awesome slow heel turn Eddie was doing in that feud with Batista. He was trying to fool everyone into thinking that he was a reformed man but the frosted tips and new entrance music told you otherwise
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The turn was supposed to happen at Survivor Series with Eddie finally turning on Batista and winning the World Heavyweight Championship, which would have helped get heat on Batista before he came back for his belt.

Though Eddie's in-ring output had declined significantly by this point because of obvious reasons, his character work was just on another level. It's so sad that we missed out on all that.
 
Suleiman said:
Should’ve done more with his character. Had the look but as usual with any ethnicity not found in the western world WWE reduces them just to their ethnicity and that’s it.

Jinder in his interviews comes across as a smart guy and you can see the Canadian upbringing in there too, can just let him be himself with some hints of culture which will naturally come out.

They are finally letting the Japanese women stars just be themselves instead of a simpleton Japanese caricature. Hope they do the same with the subcontinent too instead of just turning them into jobbers.

Sami Zayn as an Arab Muslim I’m happy for but can’t help but feel they are ok with it because he comes off as a white guy (not his fault ofc, can’t control how you look) but fault of that racist triple h.
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For what it is worth I thought Jinder Mahal was a great WWE champion, I will remember his reign more than any of Seth Rollins championship runs; ultimately, Mahal served his purpose building max heat & helping AJ Styles leapfrog back into the spotlight, Mahal played a big part in that similar to what JBL did for Cena, not on the same level but when you tune into that Smackdown episode in the UK & listen to that pop for AJ when he won then that’s business Jinder deserves a lot of credit for. Yes, they put the belt on him out of nowhere but at the end of the day, I rather have an instinctive promoter booking like that then wait years for my guys like Zayn or KO to win the big one. Vince was truly the epitome of making the American dream happen for so many wrestlers who you’d never imagine winning world titles if you religiously followed what Meltzer had to say in the observer, I wish more folk wrote or said rubbish about H but it’s just us and my GOAT Bret Hart.
 
https://twitter.com/x/status/1942649169300316160

It's kinda pathetic to see MJF pandering to the AEW crowd like this, even if he's working them. Especially considering we all know he will end up in WWE at some point.

No one has done more for MJF's career than Punk. Not Cody, not Jericho, not Danielson. No one. For him to act all offended because a personal issue that Punk had with other people took the spotlight away from his comeback is stupid and childish. I have also heard from multiple sources that Punk initially wanted to work with MJF when he made his return after Brawl Out, but MJF shot down the idea so he worked that feud with Ricky Starks instead.

MJF is a incredible talent and maybe the last of a dying breed. But this kind of pandering just makes him come across as a clown. No different from Ricochet and all the other clowns on that roster who failed to mentally grow up when they were supposed to.
 
Anyways, I am excited for All In Texas.

WWE's predatory business practices notwithstanding, it should be a hot show.
 
@shaz619 I'm not much for glorifying corporate fatcats but I have to say I was very impressed by this interview from Nick Khan. I didn't know much about him so I was going in blind. But he seems like a really smart and interesting guy. With him at the helm it doesn't surprise me that WWE has experienced so much success in recent times. Would rec watching this interview if you manage to find the time

 
RedwoodOriginal said:
https://twitter.com/x/status/1942649169300316160

It's kinda pathetic to see MJF pandering to the AEW crowd like this, even if he's working them. Especially considering we all know he will end up in WWE at some point.

No one has done more for MJF's career than Punk. Not Cody, not Jericho, not Danielson. No one. For him to act all offended because a personal issue that Punk had with other people took the spotlight away from his comeback is stupid and childish. I have also heard from multiple sources that Punk initially wanted to work with MJF when he made his return after Brawl Out, but MJF shot down the idea so he worked that feud with Ricky Starks instead.

MJF is a incredible talent and maybe the last of a dying breed. But this kind of pandering just makes him come across as a clown. No different from Ricochet and all the other clowns on that roster who failed to mentally grow up when they were supposed to.
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I don't think there wouldn't have been a plan to complete that MJF Punk feud with a final match with both titles on the line.

Barring 5-6 people, I don't think anyone in that whole company of brats is mentally grown up.
 
What was the point of WWE TKO merger anyway? WWE was already an empire. The wages of the wrestlers seem to be pretty much the same yet the ticket prices for their shows have doubled up despite the declining quality of product. I really hate WWE for doing this to fans. If I remember correctly, AEW sold All In tickets at a very low price back in 2023
 
RedwoodOriginal said:
@shaz619 I'm not much for glorifying corporate fatcats but I have to say I was very impressed by this interview from Nick Khan. I didn't know much about him so I was going in blind. But he seems like a really smart and interesting guy. With him at the helm it doesn't surprise me that WWE has experienced so much success in recent times. Would rec watching this interview if you manage to find the time

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They're all money stooges. Man I can't find a ticket for SD lower than 100$. this is insane. In 2023, tickets started at 25$. And there's literally nothing on the tv apart from Cena to keep it interesting these days.
 
BunnyRabbit said:
They're all money stooges. Man I can't find a ticket for SD lower than 100$. this is insane. In 2023, tickets started at 25$. And there's literally nothing on the tv apart from Cena to keep it interesting these days.
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That's crazy expensive..
 
BunnyRabbit said:
What was the point of WWE TKO merger anyway? WWE was already an empire. The wages of the wrestlers seem to be pretty much the same yet the ticket prices for their shows have doubled up despite the declining quality of product. I really hate WWE for doing this to fans. If I remember correctly, AEW sold All In tickets at a very low price back in 2023
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I was checking All In tickets prices for this year after your post and apparently they start at $34. This is AEW's equivalent of WrestleMania. I don't think you can even imagine that kind of price for a Mania ticket these days.
 
RedwoodOriginal said:
I was checking All In tickets prices for this year after your post and apparently they start at $34. This is AEW's equivalent of WrestleMania. I don't think you can even imagine that kind of price for a Mania ticket these days.
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Yes Imagine spending 900$ just to sit in the front row for a random SD or Raw. That green shirt guy must be richer than Musk.
Seriously screw TKO for hiking the prices so much. Whoever thought merger was a good idea should go to hell.
On the other, it's commendable that AEW are selling the tickets so cheap. Even though they might not be making profits (that's another discussion). But it was pretty good 2 years ago when WWE tickets were roughly the same price. Hoping Ari Emmanuell and all his goons go bankrupt soon!
 
RedwoodOriginal said:
I was checking All In tickets prices for this year after your post and apparently they start at $34. This is AEW's equivalent of WrestleMania. I don't think you can even imagine that kind of price for a Mania ticket these days.
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Corporate phonies all these guys starting from Ari Emmanuel down to Nick Khan.
 
On the other hand there's this indie event happening near me called Midget Mayhem Madness Wrestling. the ticket prices are like 10$ there. @RedwoodOriginal Might be able to meet Hornswoggle and El Torito there :p
 
BunnyRabbit said:
On the other hand there's this indie event happening near me called Midget Mayhem Madness Wrestling. the ticket prices are like 10$ there. @RedwoodOriginal Might be able to meet Hornswoggle and El Torito there :p
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Now this looks like a show worth seeing live:afridi1

I think even $50 per ticket would have been too low. These prices are a steal:p
 
RedwoodOriginal said:
Temu Edge doesn't even have the belt yet and he's already all over the damn show. Getting PTSD to mid-2000s when every RAW used to start with a 20-min Triple H promo masterclass.
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This week wasn’t too bad because to mask what a horrible promo Seth is, we had Heyman, Bronson Reed @ Bron Breakker papering over the cracks, these rookies really showed him up. If H is booking Seth in his image then mediocrity is recognising mediocrity and the ceiling is mediocrity; the sooner this factions splits, the better.
 
RedwoodOriginal said:
I was checking All In tickets prices for this year after your post and apparently they start at $34. This is AEW's equivalent of WrestleMania. I don't think you can even imagine that kind of price for a Mania ticket these days.
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You need to pay about $100 just to be in the cheap seats and that’s if you manage to sign up for the pre-sale window, 5 years ago you could be near the front for that much.
 
RedwoodOriginal said:
Anyways, I am excited for All In Texas.

WWE's predatory business practices notwithstanding, it should be a hot show.
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I don’t mind the head to head, competition should in theory give all parties a bit of a kick, so if AEW puts on one hell of a show or SNME is fun then it’s a great result. It’s not like say WWE going after some small time promotion, AEW has consumed independent wrestling and is the 2nd largest company in the States now, they may not be what we expected them to be 5 years ago or better worded; what they could have been, however they are still competition.
 
But if it was decided based some small hearted coward’s huge insecurities and ego, then AEW have already won and will probably embarrass him again.
 
RedwoodOriginal said:
https://twitter.com/x/status/1942649169300316160

It's kinda pathetic to see MJF pandering to the AEW crowd like this, even if he's working them. Especially considering we all know he will end up in WWE at some point.

No one has done more for MJF's career than Punk. Not Cody, not Jericho, not Danielson. No one. For him to act all offended because a personal issue that Punk had with other people took the spotlight away from his comeback is stupid and childish. I have also heard from multiple sources that Punk initially wanted to work with MJF when he made his return after Brawl Out, but MJF shot down the idea so he worked that feud with Ricky Starks instead.

MJF is a incredible talent and maybe the last of a dying breed. But this kind of pandering just makes him come across as a clown. No different from Ricochet and all the other clowns on that roster who failed to mentally grow up when they were supposed to.
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A lot of the time he’s just working the crowd and has learned diplomacy in wrestling at a very young age, he will say just enough without necessarily burning bridges with either side. MJF is a clever little weasel lol
 
shaz619 said:
I don’t mind the head to head, competition should in theory give all parties a bit of a kick, so if AEW puts on one hell of a show or SNME is fun then it’s a great result. It’s not like say WWE going after some small time promotion, AEW has consumed independent wrestling and is the 2nd largest company in the States now, they may not be what we expected them to be 5 years ago or better worded; what they could have been, however they are still competition.
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TNA seems like the best place to root for atm. They are on the road again and are advertising Jeff Hardy and Joe Hendry for their live shows.
 
shaz619 said:
This week wasn’t too bad because to mask what a horrible promo Seth is, we had Heyman, Bronson Reed @ Bron Breakker papering over the cracks, these rookies really showed him up. If H is booking Seth in his image then mediocrity is recognising mediocrity and the ceiling is mediocrity; the sooner this factions splits, the better.
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Yes Breakker really showed him up this week. But at the same time, it felt kinda deliberate where they wanted to tell everyone that look, Seth isn't the overpushed, overrated, overhyped guy that all of you say he is. Eventhough everyone knows otherwise.

Did you notice Seth emoting in the background though? Trying to get some modicum of attention back on himself? It looked so lame and distracting. The guy has zero subtlety. Everyone knows that Bron will turn on Seth at some point. It's a story as old as time. All you needed to do was tease it. I'm just thinking how it would have been if Roman was in that position, and they would have just given you a hint.

Seth is overcompensating because he knows he can't cut a promo to save his life, and he knows that nobody buys him in this role.
 
shaz619 said:
I don’t mind the head to head, competition should in theory give all parties a bit of a kick, so if AEW puts on one hell of a show or SNME is fun then it’s a great result. It’s not like say WWE going after some small time promotion, AEW has consumed independent wrestling and is the 2nd largest company in the States now, they may not be what we expected them to be 5 years ago or better worded; what they could have been, however they are still competition.
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Too much wrestling to watch for me in one day dawg. I would have preferred if they were on separate days or weeks. But does feel very obvious that Triple H is still threatened by a promotion he claims is minor league and rinky dink.

But SNME shouldn't be a long show, so it's okay. Half the show is already full of commercials. Can't see more than 5 mins of a damn match on that show.
 
Btw @shaz619, I was thinking, how great would it be if Jesse Ventura is on commentary for the main-event on SNME?:afridi1
Considering the reaction he had for that Priest-McIntyre steel cage match, I can't wait to see what he thinks of broken down Oldberg staggering around the ring:misbah
 
shaz619 said:
But if it was decided based some small hearted coward’s huge insecurities and ego, then AEW have already won and will probably embarrass him again.
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Apparently the reason they have the women's Evolution PLE on Sunday is because they wanted a back-up incase AEW moved the PPV to Sunday because of SNME. Initially it was planned much later. Which may explain why it feels so lazily put together.
 
Maybe triple h is letting the audience control storyline again as he himself is clueless and not cut out for it

That’s why we saw bron treat Seth like a jabroni, and it made perfect sense. Bron buried Seth symbolically without doing much or saying much just by presence alone.
 
So I found this thread. A little story. I watched my first wrestlemania in 23 years last year. Had no clue about the bloodline story or anything. But heard the hype and watched it. Then caught up with some other stuff. Finallybit came to Netflix. I have not stopped watching. I stopped watching wwe when that poser cena took over. And attitude ended. So around 2003. I maybhave caught something in 04 but cant remember. Fast.forward to today and in just finished the shield stuff.. how the hell didni miss these guys. Damn. I love the shield. Also caught up on bloodline. Man. At least I caught the tail end of that story. Also caught up on evolution. I would have loved to have watched rollins betrayal in real time or Zayns chair shot in real time.. but at least incaught up on Cena going heel.

I am back into it..so any recommendations for catch ups are welcome..as long as its not face cena winning again lol..and yes i hear the voices too.. lol
 
the Great Khan said:
So I found this thread. A little story. I watched my first wrestlemania in 23 years last year. Had no clue about the bloodline story or anything. But heard the hype and watched it. Then caught up with some other stuff. Finallybit came to Netflix. I have not stopped watching. I stopped watching wwe when that poser cena took over. And attitude ended. So around 2003. I maybhave caught something in 04 but cant remember. Fast.forward to today and in just finished the shield stuff.. how the hell didni miss these guys. Damn. I love the shield. Also caught up on bloodline. Man. At least I caught the tail end of that story. Also caught up on evolution. I would have loved to have watched rollins betrayal in real time or Zayns chair shot in real time.. but at least incaught up on Cena going heel.

I am back into it..so any recommendations for catch ups are welcome..as long as its not face cena winning again lol..and yes i hear the voices too.. lol
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Cena is on the verge of retirement. He is expected to retire this December.

He is currently a heel.
 
By the way i started watching wrestling in 1986 and remember PTV showing the NWA and texts wrestling with cowboy bob Orton, ric flair and the midnight express etc, the road warriors..then I saw wrestlemania 2 with Mr T and I was hooked..didn't stop watching till 2003. I even saw it live and saw Rock Austin triple H DX the undertaker the big show...those were the days..but now I'm back..hopefully ill get to watch a live wrestlemania one day..before I pop my clogs lol..
 
the Great Khan said:
Yaar I know. I kept an eye on him from afar and am enjoying his heel turn..i was talking about catch up ppv's that were great that I missed..
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the Great Khan said:
By the way i started watching wrestling in 1986 and remember PTV showing the NWA and texts wrestling with cowboy bob Orton, ric flair and the midnight express etc, the road warriors..then I saw wrestlemania 2 with Mr T and I was hooked..didn't stop watching till 2003. I even saw it live and saw Rock Austin triple H DX the undertaker the big show...those were the days..but now I'm back..hopefully ill get to watch a live wrestlemania one day..before I pop my clogs lol..
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Nice.

I watched wrestling regularly from 2002 till 2009. After WWE went PG, I lost interest.

I still keep in touch once in a while but not regularly like before.

I am also enjoying Cena's heel turn.
 
the Great Khan said:
So I found this thread. A little story. I watched my first wrestlemania in 23 years last year. Had no clue about the bloodline story or anything. But heard the hype and watched it. Then caught up with some other stuff. Finallybit came to Netflix. I have not stopped watching. I stopped watching wwe when that poser cena took over. And attitude ended. So around 2003. I maybhave caught something in 04 but cant remember. Fast.forward to today and in just finished the shield stuff.. how the hell didni miss these guys. Damn. I love the shield. Also caught up on bloodline. Man. At least I caught the tail end of that story. Also caught up on evolution. I would have loved to have watched rollins betrayal in real time or Zayns chair shot in real time.. but at least incaught up on Cena going heel.

I am back into it..so any recommendations for catch ups are welcome..as long as its not face cena winning again lol..and yes i hear the voices too.. lol
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Bloodline has been the best extended storyline in WWE in last decade. Cody's arc of dethroning Roman. Apart from that, McIntyre's run to the top winning the Royal Rumble 2020 was brilliant. Edge Randy feud in 2020. Randy Drew feud in 2020. Seth Edge feud in 2021. AJ Cena feud from 2016. The whole KO Jericho storyline in 2016-17. Ziggler Miz feud in 2016. Daniel Bryan's rise to the top followed by his return and winning the title again as a heel. New Day Usos feud in 2017. Of recent, Punk Drew feud was easily the best.
Pretty much everything in NXT from 2016-19.
 
For someone who didn't watch wrestling before 1997, I am curious to know what you guys think about Marty Jannetty. I have seen some of his matches and boy could that guy work. He had the in ring fluency and wrestling brain to go toe to toe with HBK. Yet with disbandment of The Rockers, his career nosedived into obscurity. What do you guys think about him? And how good was he actually? And why did he fade away so quickly despite being so talented.
 
the Great Khan said:
So I found this thread. A little story. I watched my first wrestlemania in 23 years last year. Had no clue about the bloodline story or anything. But heard the hype and watched it. Then caught up with some other stuff. Finallybit came to Netflix. I have not stopped watching. I stopped watching wwe when that poser cena took over. And attitude ended. So around 2003. I maybhave caught something in 04 but cant remember. Fast.forward to today and in just finished the shield stuff.. how the hell didni miss these guys. Damn. I love the shield. Also caught up on bloodline. Man. At least I caught the tail end of that story. Also caught up on evolution. I would have loved to have watched rollins betrayal in real time or Zayns chair shot in real time.. but at least incaught up on Cena going heel.

I am back into it..so any recommendations for catch ups are welcome..as long as its not face cena winning again lol..and yes i hear the voices too.. lol
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Since Netflix has all PPVs and eps of RAW and SD, I'd recommend checking out the Ruthless Aggression era in full ig you have the time (2002-07)
 
BunnyRabbit said:
For someone who didn't watch wrestling before 1997, I am curious to know what you guys think about Marty Jannetty. I have seen some of his matches and boy could that guy work. He had the in ring fluency and wrestling brain to go toe to toe with HBK. Yet with disbandment of The Rockers, his career nosedived into obscurity. What do you guys think about him? And how good was he actually? And why did he fade away so quickly despite being so talented.
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He was a good worker but he had alot of issues with substance abuse and if we're being honest he was never cut out to be a main-eventer. He never had the natural talent and charisma of Shawn. Neither in the ring, nor on the mic.

I wouldn't say he’s faded into obscurity since his WWE days, it's more accurate to say he's completely gone off the rails. Just Google him and see for yourself. From delusional rants to bizarre public appearances, it’s clear the years of substance abuse have taken a severe toll on both his mind and body. They even did an episode of Dark Side of the Ring on him, and it painted a tragic picture.
 
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https://twitter.com/x/status/1943636938222715038
I can see through Dwayne's bs now. But still that Cena moment is immortal. Dumb Levesque didn't know what to do with the turn. On the other hand, Cena turning at Mania midmatch though would have been an all time Mania moment but it would be be total rehash of Mania 17 mainevent. @RedwoodOriginal
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Exactly.

As for the turn, look no doubt it was a great moment. But what's the point of creating such an all-time great moment if you don't have anything to follow it up with?

Dwayne comes up with these ideas that he shouldn't be coming up with since he's not involved in the creative team. And then takes his ball and goes to Hollywood when he doesn't get his way....though he ain't finding much success there either.

Meanwhile Triple H who should be the one coming up with the ideas comes up with such garbage that you question why he's even in that position to begin with.

It's a real catch-22 situation for WWE fans right now. Everything sucks right now..
 
RedwoodOriginal said:
Exactly.

As for the turn, look no doubt it was a great moment. But what's the point of creating such an all-time great moment if you don't have anything to follow it up with?

Dwayne comes up with these ideas that he shouldn't be coming up with since he's not involved in the creative team. And then takes his ball and goes to Hollywood when he doesn't get his way....though he ain't finding much success there either.

Meanwhile Triple H who should be the one coming up with the ideas comes up with such garbage that you question why he's even in that position to begin with.

It's a real catch-22 situation for WWE fans right now. Everything sucks right now..
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It's said Cena was the one who made the call to turn at EC instead of Mania mid match. But why would he do that knowing he wouldn't be appearing for 20 days after the turn. It's like a jumble of three egos. At the end of the day, all 3 should have been the ones to know when to do the turn, and have something bombastic to follow up to that. Everyone knew Cena turning would be talked about for years. Having a full team of creative not being able to come up with anything to your most interesting mainevent is just jobber stuff from everyone involved including the "whole creative team" if any. And Dwayne should also look to not just making moments but crafting a proper storyline to follow it up with. The audience isn't dumb now.
 
RedwoodOriginal said:
He was a good worker but he had alot of issues with substance abuse and if we're being honest he was never cut out to be a main-eventer. He never had the natural talent and charisma of Shawn. Neither in the ring, nor on the mic.

I wouldn't say he’s faded into obscurity since his WWE days, it's more accurate to say he's completely gone off the rails. Just Google him and see for yourself. From delusional rants to bizarre public appearances, it’s clear the years of substance abuse have taken a severe toll on both his mind and body. They even did an episode of Dark Side of the Ring on him, and it painted a tragic picture.
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It's not right to compare anyone with Shawn cause he was at another level just like Taker. But man watching Jannetty's in ring work, he wasn't your another midcarder. His work was pretty smooth. He could have been a solid IC guy. Could have meshed well with the likes of Jericho, Benoit, Eddie etc in AE. But like you mentioned about the drug issues, they just destroy you I guess. Wasn't aware of that.
 
BunnyRabbit said:
It's not right to compare anyone with Shawn cause he was at another level just like Taker. But man watching Jannetty's in ring work, he wasn't your another midcarder. His work was pretty smooth. He could have been a solid IC guy. Could have meshed well with the likes of Jericho, Benoit, Eddie etc in AE. But like you mentioned about the drug issues, they just destroy you I guess. Wasn't aware of that.
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True but when you're in a tag team with Shawn you will be compared to him undoubtedly. Especially in a company like WWE where it feels like tag teams are created to filter out the stronger member lol. But on a very serious note, I never thought Marty Jannety was cut out to be a main-eventer....just based on his mic work. @shaz619 would agree with me..

Yeah but IC Chamionship is midcard bro. The likes of Jericho, Benoit, Eddie all rose up to the main-event at some point of their career by winning the big one. I wouldn't put Marty's in-ring work anywhere close to any of these guys.
 
BunnyRabbit said:
The more I see Trips booking of Randy, the more I am convinced he carries a major grudge against him. Like booking someone like Randy is the easiest of stuff yet he chooses to waste him on celebrity feuds continually.
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Bro forget Randy. Drew came out of a feud with Punk to be involved in this s**t. It's a travesty how they are wasting their best talents to service a bunch of low-rent celebs.
 
BunnyRabbit said:
It's said Cena was the one who made the call to turn at EC instead of Mania mid match. But why would he do that knowing he wouldn't be appearing for 20 days after the turn. It's like a jumble of three egos. At the end of the day, all 3 should have been the ones to know when to do the turn, and have something bombastic to follow up to that. Everyone knew Cena turning would be talked about for years. Having a full team of creative not being able to come up with anything to your most interesting mainevent is just jobber stuff from everyone involved including the "whole creative team" if any. And Dwayne should also look to not just making moments but crafting a proper storyline to follow it up with. The audience isn't dumb now.
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Whether it was Cena's decision or Dwayne's decision, it felt alot like that they didn't have anything planned for the heel run. I dunno about you guys but this heel run has failed to deliver for me. It's like ohh let's do a Cena feud with Randy...let's do a Cena feud with Punk. I mean I could literally have ChatGPT come up with that. Even the R-Truth feud. Overall, very disappointed.
 
RedwoodOriginal said:
Whether it was Cena's decision or Dwayne's decision, it felt alot like that they didn't have anything planned for the heel run. I dunno about you guys but this heel run has failed to deliver for me. It's like ohh let's do a Cena feud with Randy...let's do a Cena feud with Punk. I mean I could literally have ChatGPT come up with that. Even the R-Truth feud. Overall, very disappointed.
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Cena’s persona and character work is carrying hard. Carrying all of WWE rn tbh. Ratings would drop like a rock without him.

But every opponent is so rushed. You get 1-2 weeks of build up for rivalries he’s had that span a decade or more at this point and all you do is give those rivalries a week or 2 and then boom onto the next rivalry? Punk / Cena already over and now Punk is back to carrying h’s boyfriend Seth on his shoulders? Wouldn’t it make sense to flesh out his story with Cena a bit more- fans have been waiting for this for years. Triple h is such an entitled little know it all ***** man

Meanwhile this bloodline junior plotlines have been running and beaten to death for years but they keep regenerating new Samoans and continue this.
 
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RedwoodOriginal said:
True but when you're in a tag team with Shawn you will be compared to him undoubtedly. Especially in a company like WWE where it feels like tag teams are created to filter out the stronger member lol. But on a very serious note, I never thought Marty Jannety was cut out to be a main-eventer....just based on his mic work. @shaz619 would agree with me..

Yeah but IC Chamionship is midcard bro. The likes of Jericho, Benoit, Eddie all rose up to the main-event at some point of their career by winning the big one. I wouldn't put Marty's in-ring work anywhere close to any of these guys.
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I was just saying from the little in ring work I have seen of him, he was much better than the likes of Al Snow, Hardcore Holly, Val Venis, Godfather, Marc Mero etc those guys that were just there and they rarely ever gave us a single good match.
 
BunnyRabbit said:
I was just saying from the little in ring work I have seen of him, he was much better than the likes of Al Snow, Hardcore Holly, Val Venis, Godfather, Marc Mero etc those guys that were just there and they rarely ever gave us a single good match.
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Yeah but again, all these guys were pennenial midcarders. I don't think anyone can say that any of these guys were cut out to be main-eventers.
 
RedwoodOriginal said:
Bro forget Randy. Drew came out of a feud with Punk to be involved in this s**t. It's a travesty how they are wasting their best talents to service a bunch of low-rent celebs.
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Honestly speaking, this might be the worst post Mania Summer of last decade or so. Even during the worst time of Vince in 2016-2020, summers weren't this slow, tasteless and hollow. This year is legit the worst. From top to bottom. We have Seth's rants at the top, Bloodline b budget soap in the middle and nonexistential women and tagteam wrestling at the bottom. I don't even know who the other champions are atm other than Cena and Gunther. Only Cena's arc is good and the guys featured in there.
 
RedwoodOriginal said:
Whether it was Cena's decision or Dwayne's decision, it felt alot like that they didn't have anything planned for the heel run. I dunno about you guys but this heel run has failed to deliver for me. It's like ohh let's do a Cena feud with Randy...let's do a Cena feud with Punk. I mean I could literally have ChatGPT come up with that. Even the R-Truth feud. Overall, very disappointed.
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I think Cena is booking his final run himself while being half busy in hollywood. I would put the major chunk of blame on Trips since he is the head booker and has a full team of creative that is failing to do its job. It's literally his job to provide storylines not the talent.
 
RedwoodOriginal said:
Yeah but again, all these guys were pennenial midcarders. I don't think anyone can say that any of these guys were cut out to be main-eventers.
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Yeah but what I'm saying is, the guy looked pretty decent enough to have a lengthy career even as a midcarder. He literally just vanished from the face of wrestling at its height in late 90s. Maybe drug issues are the cause of it.
 
Suleiman said:
Cena’s persona and character work is carrying hard. Carrying all of WWE rn tbh. Ratings would drop like a rock without him.

But every opponent is so rushed. You get 1-2 weeks of build up for rivalries he’s had that span a decade or more at this point and all you do is give those rivalries a week or 2 and then boom onto the next rivalry? Punk / Cena already over and now Punk is back to carrying h’s boyfriend Seth on his shoulders? Wouldn’t it make sense to flesh out his story with Cena a bit more- fans have been waiting for this for years. Triple h is such an entitled little know it all ***** man

Meanwhile this bloodline junior plotlines have been running and beaten to death for years but they keep regenerating new Samoans and continue this.
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Trips is soon going to give Vince Russo a run for his money for the crap storylines. WWE is becoming unbearable to watch these days.
 
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@RedwoodOriginal predicted it a month ago that Okada would win this one knowing how the mark TK uses profightdb etc to figure out who should win the match even if the story is telling him to do otherwise.
 
What the f is a jelly roll?

And why the f can’t they let us have regular matches without interference from jelly rolls and Logan beans or whatever

Wwe is such a joke lol. It’s a manifestation of mediocrity at the top while true talent collects dust at mid or low cards or just side feuds. Good representation of triple k who got pushed ahead of far more talented individuals thanks to wifey
 
Suleiman said:
What the f is a jelly roll?

And why the f can’t they let us have regular matches without interference from jelly rolls and Logan beans or whatever

Wwe is such a joke lol. It’s a manifestation of mediocrity at the top while true talent collects dust at mid or low cards or just side feuds. Good representation of triple k who got pushed ahead of far more talented individuals thanks to wifey
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They could've easily used the likes of Miz, Dom or others for that role, not Randy and Drew.
Trips really hates Randy and Drew.
Hearing Seth got injured which is anything but a blessing at this point for fans.
 
Can see Seth talking on some podcast 1 year from now on how he was left with the task of saving the whole Raw and then left there to die once crowds turned against him. Like bro you were given a whole faction, Heyman, yet you have been unable to tell a compelling story. So bland.
 
My heart goes out to Adam Cole. Whatever health issues he is struggling with sound very serious. Nobody just relinquishes the belt before such a big stadium show if it isn't something serious, especially when it isn't an injury. Here's hoping he recovers soon and doesn't have to retire.

On the other hand, it was a nice moment to see Dustin win a singles championship in his home state at 56 years of age. That reaction too was very real.
 
RedwoodOriginal said:
True but when you're in a tag team with Shawn you will be compared to him undoubtedly. Especially in a company like WWE where it feels like tag teams are created to filter out the stronger member lol. But on a very serious note, I never thought Marty Jannety was cut out to be a main-eventer....just based on his mic work. @shaz619 would agree with me..

Yeah but IC Chamionship is midcard bro. The likes of Jericho, Benoit, Eddie all rose up to the main-event at some point of their career by winning the big one. I wouldn't put Marty's in-ring work anywhere close to any of these guys.
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It depends bro, H got to Steph before Jannety could think of the same idea :yk

Shawn was always well ahead of his time, well ahead by a couple of era’s so you could argue he made The Rocker’s & Janetty, but I have some of their matches from when they were The Midnight Rockers in AWA, and my god they were so great as a team and that break-up launched Shawn to stardom because of how over they were. Marty was special between the ropes if I am being honest, he was a very very skilled between the ropes, not as good a promo as Shawn I agree, Shawn’s mic ability is so overshadowed by his in-ring prowess, but at the same time I didn’t think Janetty was a terrible talker, even more by today’s standards when you got the Yeet merchant taking a 💩 with a live mic in hand, one of the most fundamental requirements for a top guy is consistency in and out the ring, sadly, his demons got to him before we could explore his potential as a top star, Shawn’s demons got to him, but by then he was too over, too good and simply in a league of his own to mount the comeback he did.

I am actually of the view that H made things so much worse for Shawn, this guy is the one who was clean, yet it is awfully suspicious that Shawn’s destruction, coincided with H’s rise, I don’t think it is a stretch if H sabotaged his recovery, dare I say played a role in supporting the drug abuse. There’s a good reason Bret hates the guy so much, like H was the one who was meant to be the most sound in the Kliq, there was nothing stopping him from being a dic£, like what excuse did he have?
 
I haven’t seen any wrestling for days until a recently the two matches from SNME, I got locked out my phone and had to restore it, I became so consumed in my hatred of H that I forgot my passcode :yk3

LA v Seth was a decent match and I really enjoyed the finish, who says that our prayers are not answered :akhtar

The main-event was good to, Berg to be fair was in amazing shape for his age and had a better match then Dwayne at WM, Gunther put on one of his best performances ever and did well to make Berg appear like the weapon he has always been presented as. People don’t like a squash (maybe they are done well these days) but Berg is the king of them, his character and strong booking in the past have ensured the audience always suspends their disbelief, I always feel the best way to go about a Berg match is a sprint, Heyman got that spot on almost 10 years ago (pretty mental the time gap), but I don’t know if Berg could do that kind of match in 2025, this match will be harder on his body but because of the pacing they didn’t empty the tank. It was amusing they cut him off at the end but I know that was a H call and he can do that but he will never be remotely close to being as over as Goldberg was and is to this day.
 
On Seth Rollins and his fragile little toes, reminds me of the weak quads of a certain 4/10. Seth got injured the same way years ago, he actually messed up the Senton, landing awkwardly and then the idiot decided to do a moonsault spot after that making it worse. If he ever returns at this level and I certainly hope not, he can’t really fly around anymore. He better perfect the abdominal stretch in the mean time and the art of 60 min speeches.
 
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