Time to Move On: Pakistan's Speedsters Are Done!

[mesmerizer85]

After so many pathetic performances against even minnows, the writing is clear on the wall!

We need to move on from Haris, Shaheen, and Hasan, who have turned into run machines literally.

It’s time to inject some fresh blood into this team , bowlers who actually understand line and length.

The way associate teams are spanking them around shows there’s no fire or brains left in our so called "speedsters"

On top of that, we need batsmen who play with intent, not just reckless sloggers.

 

[Local.Dada]

@Sachin fan @Rana will hate me for this but Naseem is your guy. Build the attack around him

 

[Varun]

Old news. Pakistan's speedsters were done after Wasim and Waqar retired.

Not managing to hit the stumps in the 2007 World T20 bowl out when we could manage it with Sehwag, Uthappa and another guy was the writing on the wall.

 

[Local.Dada]

Old news. Pakistan's speedsters were done after Wasim and Waqar retired.

Not managing to hit the stumps in the 2007 World T20 bowl out when we could manage it with Sehwag, Uthappa and another guy was the writing on the wall.

Wasim was the real deal. Waqar was great all round bowler in his 2nd innings when he was a trundler. Shoaib is a freak. I mean 160 clicks is special.

Asif is at best Bhuvi level (that’s a compliment as Bhuvi was also a gun bowler when in form)

Unfortunately Amir had it in him to be an ATG. He had cricketing smarts, skill and for a while pace too. We know how that turned out.

I would take Imran’s records with non-neutral umpires and no cameras with a pinch of salt. Was a great captain and mentor though and probably had an eye for the right talent that could play around him for his benefit but again nothing wrong with that .

 

[jnaveen1980]

The real test will come when they play on tracks that don't help spinners.

 

[pakistani pride]

We already know this, nothing new.

 

[IAJ]

Wasim was the real deal. Waqar was great all round bowler in his 2nd innings when he was a trundler. Shoaib is a freak. I mean 160 clicks is special.

Asif is at best Bhuvi level (that’s a compliment as Bhuvi was also a gun bowler when in form)

Unfortunately Amir had it in him to be an ATG. He had cricketing smarts, skill and for a while pace too. We know how that turned out.

I would take Imran’s records with non-neutral umpires and no cameras with a pinch of salt. Was a great captain and mentor though and probably had an eye for the right talent that could play around him for his benefit but again nothing wrong with that .

Asif is at best Bhuvi level lol?. Just right here, we have a proof of why some indians should not speak about fast bowling….

 

[Local.Dada]

Asif is at best Bhuvi level lol?. Just right here, we have a proof of why some indians should not speak about fast bowling….

Maybe the drugs and fixing glamor is making him a better bowler for you than he is but had he lasted he would go in the way of so many after him. He was no better than Abbas who was hyped up here similarly. Good red ball bowler may I add- Abbas that is.

 

[Rana]

Lacking new ball skills for sure

That Rohid guy is a better new ball bowler than everyone in Pakistan atm

Beautiful skills

 

[Usman Chadda]

We were arguably the fastest and the best performing pace attack by miles in the T20WC 2022. These boys were getting adulation from everywhere.

Since then, the pacers have nose dived considerably and just reduced to bowling machines now.

 

[IAJ]

Maybe the drugs and fixing glamor is making him a better bowler for you than he is but had he lasted he would go in the way of so many after him. He was no better than Abbas who was hyped up here similarly. Good red ball bowler may I add- Abbas that is.

Bus kar day, Yaar. Let’t forget both you and me for a moment and ask players like KP, Hashim Amla and AB de Villiers about Asif. I am sure you must have heard what they think about him?

 

[nish_mate]

We were arguably the fastest and the best performing pace attack by miles in the T20WC 2022. These boys were getting adulation from everywhere.

Since then, the pacers have nose dived considerably and just reduced to bowling machines now.

Was 2022 the attack that let India score 40 odd in the last 3, grab unlikely victory from jaws of defeat? Could be fastest but werent the best performing.

Naah mate your best pace attack was 2009 that got you the WC. Young Amir, Guldozer & Tanvir.....

 

[IAJ]

Lacking new ball skills for sure

That Rohid guy is a better new ball bowler than everyone in Pakistan atm

Beautiful skills

And they don’t have any bowling intelligence either. One trick ponnies all of them.

Good bowlers always have certain plans against different batsman. Take the Indian opener as an example, Abishek? The guy was swinging his bat at every delivery. Against him you need a proper plan to set him up and get him out, you can’t keep bowling half-volleys or half-trackers to him.

The coaching staff with all those computers also needs to take responsibility. If the bowlers can’t execute their plans they should address that and even ask selectors to see for other options.

 

[Raja Ishtiaq]

Indians comparing a nobody like Bhuvi to Asif omg

How many batsmen have talked about Bhuvi being a dangerous bowler? None lol

 

[RyanRyan10]

Indians comparing a nobody like Bhuvi to Asif omg

How many batsmen have talked about Bhuvi being a dangerous bowler? None lol

Only one guy did and he's also a Rizwan fan who believes Rizwan = Chanderpaul. He also believes Misbah saved Pakistan cricket.

 

[Rana]

Asif is at best Bhuvi level (that’s a compliment as Bhuvi was also a gun bowler when in form)

Oh yaar yeh kya bongi eh

 

[jnaveen1980]

You can say that. Given that red ball at home has been taken over by spinner uncles pakistan has no scope to develop fast bowlers at home. They predominantly play T2

T20s

SHaheen afridi peak ranking 3 in 2022 current ranking 27
Haris Rauf peak ranking 11 in 2023 current ranking 37
Naseem shah peak ranking 22 iin 2023 current ranking 125

ODIs

Naseem shah peak ranking 40 Current ranking 44
Haris Rauf peak ranking 10 current ranking 29
Shaheen peak ranking 1 current ranking 15

Shaheen is the only decent LOI bowler you have.

 

[Usman Chadda]

Was 2022 the attack that let India score 40 odd in the last 3, grab unlikely victory from jaws of defeat? Could be fastest but werent the best performing.

Naah mate your best pace attack was 2009 that got you the WC. Young Amir, Guldozer & Tanvir.....

In that tournament, the bowling carried us to the final despite the batting trying it’s level best to mess it up as usual.

 

[castortroy]

Mohammed Amir (before scandal) and mohammed Asif were the last 2 world class pak bowlers.

Hasan Ali and afridi had their purple patches but lacked consistency. Both are finished as bowlers now

 

[jnaveen1980]

left arm seamer is always handy compared to right arm seamers due to their angle to right handers. NOt a lot in the world right now. SHaheen, Arshdeep, Fiz, Farooqui those are the major 4. Others are upcoming or new. Pakistan will still need to hold on to him. Rauf and Naseem can be dropped.

 

[Bewal Express]

Ali Raza has potential but jumps out at the last moment, losing momentum and rhythm. Obaid has pace but lacks control. The young fast bowler from Sialkot had potential and showed real potential but with a poor and fractured domestic scene none of these guys are going to develop. If they do develop, it will be more luck rather than any one at PCB doing a good job

 

[Vikram1989]

left arm seamer is always handy compared to right arm seamers due to their angle to right handers. NOt a lot in the world right now. SHaheen, Arshdeep, Fiz, Farooqui those are the major 4. Others are upcoming or new. Pakistan will still need to hold on to him. Rauf and Naseem can be dropped.

Fizz is playing from 10 years.he is done as an attacking option. He can attack only on sluggish pitches. But he will be carted around on any batting wicket.

 

[TexasRattlesnake]

Asif is at best Bhuvi level lol?. Just right here, we have a proof of why some indians should not speak about fast bowling….

Lol Pakistanis should not be speaking of fast bowling considering where they are now

 

[TexasRattlesnake]

Indians comparing a nobody like Bhuvi to Asif omg

How many batsmen have talked about Bhuvi being a dangerous bowler? None lol

Bhuvneshwar has won an ICC trophy. Asif hasn't.

Bhuvi also has multiple Asia Cups. Asif hasn't.

Bhuvneshwar has MoMs in victories in England and SA.

Tests
63 @ 26.09 vs 106 @ 24.36

ODIs
141 @ 35.11 @ ER 5.08 vs 46 @ 33.13 @ ER 4.71

T20s
90 @ 23.10 @ ER 6.96 vs 13 @ 26.38 @ ER 8

This is one more of those things where Pakistanis hype up things in their own head while the stats say otherwise.

 

[moghul]

After so many pathetic performances against even minnows, the writing is clear on the wall!

We need to move on from Haris, Shaheen, and Hasan, who have turned into run machines literally.

It’s time to inject some fresh blood into this team , bowlers who actually understand line and length.

The way associate teams are spanking them around shows there’s no fire or brains left in our so called "speedsters"

On top of that, we need batsmen who play with intent, not just reckless sloggers.

Shaheen is making some sort of a come back, rest is crap. Particularly Harris , Faheem and Hasan won't make it to Hong Kong and Omman eleven.

 

[Sachin fan]

@Sachin fan @Rana will hate me for this but Naseem is your guy. Build the attack around him

Is this the 35 averaging Naseem Shah you are talking about?

 

[Sachin fan]

Indians comparing a nobody like Bhuvi to Asif omg

How many batsmen have talked about Bhuvi being a dangerous bowler? None lol

Pakistan can talk big and hype their bowlers up, I will give you that.

 

[Plumb]

The system to produce Proper cricketers is not there it is as simple is that. You will see brilliant players come and perform in a series or two and then become mediocre..
Pick any player in the past 5-10 yrs and you will see the same pattern.Once a player is identified you polish the player and build your team, but the system is such that great players become mediocre and fail game after game but no one is there to correct them or address the issues.
You will have Committees being form for producing "power hitters" LOL those are just gimmicks. Lets build a system and results will be seen as soon as 2 yrs. Been watching cricket for a very long time I know that will never happen. On personal Brilliance will win a series here and there or a big tournament in a 5-10 yrs nothing more. SL is an example WI is an example unfortunately Pak is also following the path...

 

[zaidihusain]

Not sure why Wasim Jnr didn't got a chance in games against UAE & Oman. Why Shaheen & Haris are playing against these teams? Pakistan really need to move on from current outdated pacers

 

[TexasRattlesnake]

Is this the 35 averaging Naseem Shah you are talking about?

That 35 is due to minnow bashing. Averages something like 45 vs SENA.

 

[Sachin fan]

That 35 is due to minnow bashing. Averages something like 45 vs SENA.

Imagine Indians hyping up AB Kurivilla and wanting bowling attack to be built around him. Maybe if he had faked his age.

 

[BouncerGuy]

I think the bowling department is still better than what we have in the batting atm.. Total failure in batting is making things even worse...

This team has failed to cross 150 more times than the last era, yet people are doing bhangra over this team..

 

[IAJ]

Lol Pakistanis should not be speaking of fast bowling considering where they are now

Nothing surpasses experience and the knowledge it brings.
The whole world recognizes Pakistan’s legacy in fast bowling — and deep down, you know it too, which is probably why it stings. But that’s just something you’ll have to accept.

I’m not interested in diving into the usual Pakistan vs India debate with every new indian who pops up here daily — we’ve got plenty of others here who enjoy that kind of back-and-forth.

However, when someone claims that Mohammad Asif, at his best, was only on par with Bhuvneshwar Kumar, then clearly something has gone missing in their understanding.

 

[BouncerGuy]

How many times do we have to move on before we can settle for good. We moved on from misbah, sarfaraz, babar and now Salman as well?

What is the solution?

 

[TexasRattlesnake]

Nothing surpasses experience and the knowledge it brings.
The whole world recognizes Pakistan’s legacy in fast bowling — and deep down, you know it too, which is probably why it stings. But that’s just something you’ll have to accept.

I’m not interested in diving into the usual Pakistan vs India debate with every new indian who pops up here daily — we’ve got plenty of others here who enjoy that kind of back-and-forth.

However, when someone claims that Mohammad Asif, at his best, was only on par with Bhuvneshwar Kumar, then clearly something has gone missing in their understanding.

Lol no

Pakistan's fast bowling ended in the early 2000s. Not a single Pakistani pacer has taken 200 test wickets since Waqar.

Pakistani fans like to live in la la land.

Like I said above - Pakistanis like to live in delusion more than reality.

I have posted their respective stats and they are close.

Asif was a good bowler in helpful conditions as was Bhuvneshwar.

Bhuvi actually has an ICC trophy where he contributed with quick wickets (CT 2013). Asif doesn't.

And in tests, Bhuvi has MoMs in victories in SA as well as 5fers in victories in England, WI plus also at friendly decks at home. Very similar to Asif's CV.