Tomorrow, people will realize this lineup needs Umar Akmal too

[ahmed778]

Akmalitis has totally driven this patient insane. He has forgot that he was targeting Misbah and has suddenly started targeting Sarfaraz. If Misbah is to be replaced by Umar, how in the world would that change our problem of a long tail?

The only solution as mentioned before is having Akmal bat as a keeper-batsman.

They will target anyone who they think is the reason why U.A is not in the team.

 

[HaMmy FinE LeG StriKeR]

Akmalitis has totally driven this patient insane. He has forgot that he was targeting Misbah and has suddenly started targeting Sarfaraz. If Misbah is to be replaced by Umar, how in the world would that change our problem of a long tail?

The only solution as mentioned before is having Akmal bat as a keeper-batsman.

these members who are like advertising akmal brothers are on a paid adventure here constantly pointing the akmals

i smell something fishy here

 

[Mamoon]

Akmalitis has totally driven this patient insane. He has forgot that he was targeting Misbah and has suddenly started targeting Sarfaraz. If Misbah is to be replaced by Umar, how in the world would that change our problem of a long tail?

The only solution as mentioned before is having Akmal bat as a keeper-batsman.

Sarfraz is part of the problem. If we had a Wk who had an idea how to hold a bat, we could have done without Umar Akmal.

But having a joke like Sarfraz at number 7 has worsened the problem.

 

[Bilal7]

Sarfraz is part of the problem. If we had a Wk who had an idea how to hold a bat, we could have done without Umar Akmal.

But having a joke like Sarfraz at number 7 has worsened the problem.

So how about solving both; your depression about Akmal not being in the team and our keeper-batsman problem by playing junior in that position?

Obviously Akmalitis patients will never put the country over the ease and pampering of their little golden baby, will they?

 

[Mamoon]

So how about solving both; your depression about Akmal not being in the team and our keeper-batsman problem by playing junior in that position?

Obviously Akmalitis patients will never put the country over the ease and pampering of their little golden baby, will they?

No giving the gloves to Umar is not the solution.

First and foremost, Akmals are not to be trusted with their gloves on :kami

Secondly, I find Umar overrated as a fielder. I don't know what the big deal is, I have seen him drop many catches. Is quick across the field and good catcher on the boundary but that doesn't make him a very good or great fielder.


Drop Misbah for Umar, give Rizwan a chance at the Wk slot

 

[SwingNSeam]

No giving the gloves to Umar is not the solution.

First and foremost, Akmals are not to be trusted with their gloves on :kami

Secondly, I find Umar overrated as a fielder. I don't know what the big deal is, I have seen him drop many catches. Is quick across the field and good catcher on the boundary but that doesn't make him a very good or great fielder.


Drop Misbah for Umar, give Rizwan a chance at the Wk slot

lol. In his last 10 matches, previous to this match he has 4 50's (highest of 85), 1 score of 31 and 1 of 40. Led our team to many victories...so he should be dealt with a kick on the rear end out of the side for performing, right?

You gotta be serious!

Learn to make sense first.

 

[SwingNSeam]

Classic hypocrisy of Misbah fans.

If lack of hundreds is the reason he was dropped, what the hell is Misbah doing in the team? Just 1 hundred since 2007.

How many 100s does U. Akmal have?

 

[shah_1]

Misbah doing a good job, no need to drop in test cricket.

got over this love for UA, he ain't no bradman

 

[Kwremb]

Tomorrow, people will realize this lineup needs Umar Akmal too.

Don't get all this love for Akmal, he isn't better than any of the batsmen currently playing

 

[Looney]

Any Akmal is like your avatar here for most Pakistani fans , Mamoon .

 

[Wazeeri]

At 253 / 5 ??
Which one of the following should be dropped to make room for Umar Akmal?
Remember that we can't drop the top 7 as we need Umar Akmal to come in after 253 /5

Sarfraz
Gul
Tanvir
Ajmal
Irfan????

 

[Wazeeri]

what the hell is Misbah doing in the team? Just 1 hundred since 2007.

Since 1 Jan 2007
Misbah : Average 51, 2240 runs, 3 hundreds, 18 fifties
U Akmal: Average 36, 1003 runs, 1 hundred, 6 fifities

 

[the Great Khan]

mamoon ghayib ho gaya hay..kahan ho bhai meray? chulo sub gana gao" teray bena kya jeena umar akmaaal"..shabash!

 

[the Great Khan]

Since 1 Jan 2007
Misbah : Average 51, 2240 runs, 3 hundreds, 18 fifties
U Akmal: Average 36, 1003 runs, 1 hundred, 6 fifities

look hater you forgot the green lips..fool.

 

[Wazeeri]

look hater you forgot the green lips..fool.

Stop living in the past, when was the last time Umar Akmal wore green lipstick?

 

[shakil]

If it were Umar Akmal who hit 44 runs, Akmalians would have gone mad in his praise

 

[Savak]

At 253 / 5 ??
Which one of the following should be dropped to make room for Umar Akmal?
Remember that we can't drop the top 7 as we need Umar Akmal to come in after 253 /5

Sarfraz
Gul
Tanvir
Ajmal
Irfan????

Misbah at the age of 39 cannot play forever.

 

[Wazeeri]

Misbah at the age of 39 cannot play forever.

Sorry I must have misunderstood the discussion.

I didn't realise we were picking which player can play forever. I thought we were talking about Umar Akmal playing now. I am sure Misbah is not on the verge of shopping for a walking stick just yet.

 

[Mamoon]

At 253 / 5 ??
Which one of the following should be dropped to make room for Umar Akmal?
Remember that we can't drop the top 7 as we need Umar Akmal to come in after 253 /5

Sarfraz
Gul
Tanvir
Ajmal
Irfan????

We need to drop Misbah and replace him with Umar.

Shafiq is ready to take over from Misbah. For how long will you bank on a 39 year old?

 

[Mamoon]

Tanvir is so confident with the bat. Very handy lower order player. Wish he was younger.

 

[the Great Khan]

Stop living in the past, when was the last time Umar Akmal wore green lipstick?

look mate the green lipstick is a signature..for that alone he should be in the squad. maybe he could model it too?

 

[Wazeeri]

For how long will you bank on a 39 year old?

Until the 39 year old keeps on performing. Or until a 22 year old learns to respect his wicket.

 

[ahmed778]

Stop living in the past, when was the last time Umar Akmal wore green lipstick?

The time when he Last Scored his Test Ton.

 

[Mamoon]

Until the 39 year old keeps on performing. Or until a 22 year old learns to respect his wicket.

Throwing your wicket away after a 50 is not performing in my view. He needs to kick on and get hundreds. But he is too mediocre for that.

 

[Stellar]

There seems to be a lot of hate for U Akmal on this forum there's no point arguing with such people. U Akmal averages 37 outside Asia in his career so far A Ali and Hafeez average in the low 20s now tell me who deserves a place in the side on MERIT.
Yes MERIT a word which can't be used to describe Misbah and his buddy selections (and the fans who use every trick in the book to defend theire precious captain and his players) if it was up to him Tanveer who is twice the player Gul is with bat and ball would never have played and we would never have seen his innigs with the bat which has given us momentum going forward.

 

[Wazeeri]

Throwing your wicket away after a 50 is not performing in my view. He needs to kick on and get hundreds. But he is too mediocre for that.

Throwing your wicket away, hmmm............ Now who does that remind me off?

 

[Stellar]

It's a simple fact which only requires an iota of common sense Misbah Ul-Haq the so called saviour of our team refuses to budge to his defensive and buddy tactics and any player who shows an Iota of flair and aggression is demolished in anyway possible for less performing defensive players who are the captain's favourites.

 

[rayfder]

Since morning I'm seeing threads being posted with Adnan Akmal or Umar Akmal name. The posters deny wanting Kamran or the brother to play but then contradict by putting their half truth averages making Kamran look like a Gilchrist, and Umar Akmal a Tendulkar, making case how bad is the current side and how great these blocs r. Everyone knows the Akmal reality, so these paid Akmals' PR campaigns [funded by betting syndicates] won't work here.

For God sake Akmals' Pakistan ki jaan chor do, Pakistanis will be more giving in ur retirement as this will b the best thing that happened to Pakistan since Salim Malik was awarded lifetime ban by Pcb.

 

[JibranAnsari]

So seems like we did well without him , tanvir can bowl as well.

 

[Mamoon]

Throwing your wicket away, hmmm............ Now who does that remind me off?

He was dropped for no reason. Has a very good record in tests and he is perfect for the role I mentioned in the OP. Even Misbah throws his wicket away.

 

[Wazeeri]

It's a simple fact which only requires an iota of common sense Misbah Ul-Haq the so called saviour of our team refuses to budge to his defensive and buddy tactics

Defensive and buddy tactics, You should rest your case up here.
Buddy tactics are not acceptable and therfore Misbah should be kicked out of the team and stripped of his nationality.

Bloody buddy tactics.

 

[Mamoon]

Like Bullet Drive said, the only reason why Umar was dropped because his strike rate was good and he was positive in his stroke play. Two things Misbah hates to death.

 

[Mamoon]

So seems like we did well without him , tanvir can bowl as well.

Tanvir has swagger with the bat and operates smoothly

But he is 34 already.

 

[Stellar]

Can you give any logical reasoning to suggest that I have wrongly accussed Misbah or are you going to stick to blindly defending him?

 

[ahmed778]

Like Bullet Drive said, the only reason why Umar was dropped because his strike rate was good and he was positive in his stroke play. Two things Misbah hates to death.

What about him throwing his wicket away?
Not scoring runs consistently?
Not being responsible?

 

[Stellar]

What about him throwing his wicket away?
Not scoring runs consistently?
Not being responsible?

What about averaging 37 outside Asia even the greats of the game average less than this overseas. Hafeez and A Ali average in the low 20s outside Asia who should be in the side on merit?

 

[Shayan]

Regardless of the reasons for Akmal's axing from the team, there is currently no place for him in the playing XI. Surely even his fans can realise that now?

 

[waqar goraya]

Although i do not agree with OP on degrading Misbah and replacing Misbah with Umar...But at the same time to competely degrade Umar is not fair at all...

Umar has performed reasonably well everywhere in every format..He was highest run getter in Newzealand,second most run getter in Australia,ALthough he failed against Australia in England but had the best average in England vs England,In his last series against Windies he was sceond most run getter.....Overall averages 37 outside Asia ....this is not a poor effort at all by 21 year old....Has been the most successful ODI batsman since couple of years...And has been averaging 57 for last couple of first class season...

And on talent-wise he has the best footwork,decent technique,all the shots imaginable..he only needs to organise himself at the crease and be responsible in his shot-making....

 

[Stellar]

Regardless of the reasons for Akmal's axing from the team, there is currently no place for him in the playing XI. Surely even his fans can realise that now?

Are you sure about that? So because we made 300 all of a sudden there's no place for anyone else considering the poor performance of certain player's overseas.

 

[Vlad]

Until the 39 year old keeps on performing. Or until a 22 year old learns to respect his wicket.

Really a daft comment , his technique has been gravely exposed on numerous ocasions , anyway no need to argue if you have infatuation with aged guys.

There seems to be a lot of hate for U Akmal on this forum there's no point arguing with such people. U Akmal averages 37 outside Asia in his career so far A Ali and Hafeez average in the low 20s now tell me who deserves a place in the side on MERIT.

Ability means bugger all if you don't have the right attitude to deploy it .



The guy has so much talent and yet he continuously underachieves , clearly highlights the hole in his brain that need to be dealt with and the only available solution is to drop him for a fair amount of time.

 

[Stellar]

Ah so performing better than others is not enough you must before 3 times better otherwise you are dropped for underperforming. A great selection policy let's stick ith mediocrity and enjoy the team progressing.

 

[Wazeeri]

Really a daft comment , his technique has been gravely exposed on numerous ocasions , anyway no need to argue if you have infatuation with aged guys.

Yes keeping a guy who is performing is a daft comment. Thanks I will think before posting next time.

 

[Shayan]

Are you sure about that? So because we made 300 all of a sudden there's no place for anyone else considering the poor performance of certain player's overseas.

We have a problem batting outside the subcontinent, that much is clear. I don't think Umar Akmal's technique is that much better than anyone else's that he will suddenly come along and score big hundreds.

Fact is, he isn't an opener, and recent performances of YK, Misbah, Shafiq and to a lesser extent Azhar Ali means that there is no place for Umar Akmal in this side right now. I have nothing against Umar Akmal, I like him as a player and he should certainly be in the squad ahead of Faisal Iqbal, but he can't currently make the playing XI.

 

[Savak]

Regardless of the reasons for Akmal's axing from the team, there is currently no place for him in the playing XI. Surely even his fans can realise that now?

Not really, if Misbah retires or gets axed. If Azhar Ali continues to expose his limitations, lack of stroke making, Akmal gets an opening.

 

[Stellar]

There is because Hafeez is averaging in the low 20s overseas it's either him or Azhar you can't have both so Azhar opens YK at 3 Misbah at 4 Akmal at 5 look's a more balanced team.
I seriouly doubt this happening until Misbah is in charge.

 

[Xoib]

Tanvir as good as Umer bats like him and certainly bowls like him too.

 

[W63L35]

We have Azhar, Younis and Shafiq for that. I clearly mentioned in my OP the role which Umar should fulfill in the team. You are completely missing the point.

You are totally avoiding my question.

We have no one at number 6 who can accelerate when needed and get a 60/70 at an 80+ strike rate.

....and why you we need a batsman at #6 with a S/R of 80?

These are all #6 batsmen (1000+ test runs in last 10 year)..... tell us who is 80+ S/R #6 batsman.... Laxman, Bell, Hussey ???

http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/en...3;spanval1=span;template=results;type=batting

 

[Shayan]

Not really, if Misbah retires or gets axed. If Azhar Ali continues to expose his limitations, lack of stroke making, Akmal gets an opening.

You've just proved my point. There's no place for him in the team right now.

 

[Mamoon]

Tomorrow, people will realize this lineup needs Umar Akmal too.

You are totally avoiding my question.




....and why you we need a batsman at #6 with a S/R of 80?

These are all #6 batsmen (1000+ test runs in last 10 year)..... tell us who is 80+ S/R #6 batsman.... Laxman, Bell, Hussey ???

http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/en...3;spanval1=span;template=results;type=batting

The role I am talking about for umar is played by Dhoni, Wade and Prior in the teams you mentioned respectively and they all have the ability to bat at a very good strike rate when required
We don't have that type of a player in our lineup. I'm not saying he has to bat at an 80+ strike rate every time but there should be someone to play that sort of an innings when needed. At the moment we lack that kind of a player.

 

[Xoib]

The role I am talking about for umar is played by Dhoni, Wade and Prior in the teams you mentioned respectively and they all have the ability to bat at a very good strike rate when required
We don't have that type of a player in our lineup. I'm not saying he has to bat at an 80+ strike rate every time but there should be someone to play that sort of an innings when needed. At the moment we lack that kind of a player.

Youu want him to play a role which is usualy played by wk-batsman and then you want him to replace Misbah who is a top 5 batsman. Confused much?

Surely the solution is to pick an agressive WK-batsman rather then replace one of your best performing test batsman with a batsman who has potential just to hide the shortcoming of your current keeper , tell me how is this making sense?

 

[Uzi]

Umar is quite rightly not in the team. Until he can actually play responsibly and put a price on his wicket there is no place for him. Let him enjoy the mickey mouse T20s and ODIs.

Misbah is well ahead of Umar as a test batsman at this moment in time.

 

[W63L35]

The role I am talking about for umar is played by Dhoni, Wade and Prior in the teams you mentioned respectively and they all have the ability to bat at a very good strike rate when required

Those are WICKET KEEPERES ..... not specialist BATSMEN.... Plus... THEY BAT AT #7!!! NOT at #6.

I think you are totally confused or just plain trolling.......... at one hand you talk about #6 batsman... and when ask which #6 batsmen bat at S/R of 80+ ... you give me Wicketkeepers who bat at #7.

NOW... do you realize why I am not getting your point... because YOU DON'T even know your own point.


Just FYI.....

.

 

[from_da_lost_dim3nsion]

I guess tanveer took care of the aggressor part. Such an inspired selection from misbah the genius most successful captain. Pak ever had.

 

[LegendsXI]

Yes, some of the players were especially tanveer looked very dehydrated while batting. Probably the reason why he couldn't bowl in the 130s.

We need someone to bring the sharbat paani for the boys. Immediately! For the sake of Pak Cricket!

 

[Bilal7]

Drop Misbah for Akmal. Still makes me lol.

 

[mon858]

Drop Misbah for Akmal. Still makes me lol.

i'm waiting for another thread tomorrow by akmal brigade....

drop Dav Whatmore for Father of Akmals.

drop Sarfraz for Kamran Akmal

drop Kamran for Adnan Akmal (oh wait they are both akmal !!)

i guess the only thing common and done well with Akmals is "dropping"


for once they need to see and appreciate the current XI performing against SAF, so what if an Akmal isn't in the XI???

i agree Umar Akmal perhaps should be in the "squad" ahead of Faisal, but to not appreciate the effort of our batting in this innings and still feel the need to somehow squeeze in Umar at number 7 (which means drop a bowler?? can't drop sarfraz for a non-first class level keeper - U Akmal). just ridiculous. preposterous.

 

[Sledger]

Dear oh dear, finding a thread from this OP which doesn't result in a total fail is like setting sail for the island of Atlantis.

 

[endymion248]

If both Azhar and Asad can step up and score at a 50+ average in the next tour (WI), Misbah should indeed retire in something like 10 months and end his career on a high with one loss as a captain, a 50+ average and the credit of upbringing youngsters and then making way for them.

Obviously, it's Misbah's choice.

 

[Mamoon]

Those are WICKET KEEPERES ..... not specialist BATSMEN.... Plus... THEY BAT AT #7!!! NOT at #6.

I think you are totally confused or just plain trolling.......... at one hand you talk about #6 batsman... and when ask which #6 batsmen bat at S/R of 80+ ... you give me Wicketkeepers who bat at #7.

NOW... do you realize why I am not getting your point... because YOU DON'T even know your own point.


Just FYI.....

.

Why are you citing their career strike rates? Point is we all know they have the ability to accelerate when needed, whom do we have in our current line up?

it would be great for a keeper to do that but neither Sarfraz nor Adnan are capable of that.

 

[W63L35]

Why are you citing their career strike rates? Point is we all know they have the ability to accelerate when needed, whom do we have in our current line up?

it would be great for a keeper to do that but neither Sarfraz nor Adnan are capable of that.

You are still confused....... or trying to confuse/troll....

One more time.... are talking about Umar Akmal at #6??

or

Sarfraz/Adnan's batting at #7???

These are TWO DIFFERENT topics.

 

[Mamoon]

You are still confused....... or trying to confuse/troll....

One more time.... are talking about Umar Akmal at #6??

or

Sarfraz/Adnan's batting at #7???

These are TWO DIFFERENT topics.

I would prefer an aggressive, solid Wk at number 7 like most teams. That is why I have been advocating to give Rizwan a chance.

But at the moment, Umar is the solution for this problem.

 

[W63L35]

I would prefer an aggressive, solid Wk at number 7 like most teams. That is why I have been advocating to give Rizwan a chance.

But at the moment, Umar is the solution for this problem.

So you want Umar Akmal to bat at #7 as wicket keeper? Correct?

 

[IndianWillow]

Umar Akmal averages 37 away from home at an SR of 70 yet he was dropped.

I reckon if his SR was 40(where captain likes it) he'd still be in the side.

Of which a century and four fifties were against New Zealand. Take out those figures and do the math. He can play good cameos like 30(35) and that is it, insufficient for test matches.

 

[Bullet Drive]

Of which a century and four fifties were against New Zealand. Take out those figures and do the math. He can play good cameos like 30(35) and that is it, insufficient for test matches.

Why take out his runs in New Zealand? Was it Umar's cat who scored them?

 

[James]

Dropping Misbah for Umar Akmal ) There's having an opinion and then there's just spouting utter nonsense

 

[Dr_Bassim]

Why take out his runs in New Zealand? Was it Umar's cat who scored them?

Because half of PP is ranting about his New Zealand runs. That's the best defense they have for him.

 

[IndianWillow]

Why take out his runs in New Zealand? Was it Umar's cat who scored them?

That was his debut series in a relatively high scoring series. The Australian tour that followed wasn't that bad. After that he has not done anything more than cameos. He has batted about 550 balls in his last 13 test innings, which is 42 balls/innings, which is nothing more than ODI like cameos. A no 5 or no 6 batsman is expected to play more deliveries and score more runs and not just slog some quick runs.

 

[Sledger]

Credit where it's due, Umar Akmal was a good player in 2009 and played well on the Australia tour too. That said, a lot of cricketers have explosive starts to their careers, nobody forever yaps on about 20 year old Phil Hughes' hundreds in SA against Steyn and Morkel as a reason to select him today.

2009 was now four years ago, times change. Just as Hughes was found out in the England Ashes, major cracks in Umar Akmal's batting have also been shown up. The real test is to do well when you lose your unknown quantity status and oppositions start making plans for you.

 

[wazzy]

Fully agree Umar Akmal has not delivered on the talent and potential he showed in his debut innings. However, my issue is that it is not like Pakistan have a abundance of batting talent - there are not many Inzi, Yousaf, Saeed Anwars waiting in the wings - so why give up on one of the very few potential class batsman so early. Pakistan captain, coach and selectors should have worked on him harder than just drop him. I am not really impressed with Hafeez and Misbah and YK are near their end - we need replacements ready and Umar would have been my certain for the long term.

 

[Stellar]

Credit where it's due, Umar Akmal was a good player in 2009 and played well on the Australia tour too. That said, a lot of cricketers have explosive starts to their careers, nobody forever yaps on about 20 year old Phil Hughes' hundreds in SA against Steyn and Morkel as a reason to select him today.

2009 was now four years ago, times change. Just as Hughes was found out in the England Ashes, major cracks in Umar Akmal's batting have also been shown up. The real test is to do well when you lose your unknown quantity status and oppositions start making plans for you.

He has not played a series in Asia yet averaged 41 in the last away series in WI was our 2nd best bat even the likes of Ponting, Kallis and Tendulkar averaged in the high 30s after 20 odd tests without the high S/R only Sehwag can better Akmal there you have to give him a fair shot.
Averagee of 37 outside Asia for a PAK batsman compares well even with the greats.

 

[the Great Khan]

He has not played a series in Asia yet averaged 41 in the last away series in WI was our 2nd best bat even the likes of Ponting, Kallis and Tendulkar averaged in the high 30s after 20 odd tests without the high S/R only Sehwag can better Akmal there you have to give him a fair shot.
Averagee of 37 outside Asia for a PAK batsman compares well even with the greats.

meray bhai your forgot his monumental brain fart against south africa on a dead pitch. Superman akmal thought he could smash steyn for a six after only being in for a while and low and behold he looked completley silly. He was thrown out of the NCA because he just wouldnt listen and now he has been thrown out of the team for his brainless batting. I have nothing personal against the lad but really he isnt five. He needs to stay at the crease and not lose it so easily. i suspect he will be out of our test team for a long time!

 

[shakil]

He has not played a series in Asia yet averaged 41 in the last away series in WI was our 2nd best bat even the likes of Ponting, Kallis and Tendulkar averaged in the high 30s after 20 odd tests without the high S/R only Sehwag can better Akmal there you have to give him a fair shot.
Averagee of 37 outside Asia for a PAK batsman compares well even with the greats.

How can matches in England be considered home matches?

 

[Stellar]

meray bhai your forgot his monumental brain fart against south africa on a dead pitch. Superman akmal thought he could smash steyn for a six after only being in for a while and low and behold he looked completley silly. He was thrown out of the NCA because he just wouldnt listen and now he has been thrown out of the team for his brainless batting. I have nothing personal against the lad but really he isnt five. He needs to stay at the crease and not lose it so easily. i suspect he will be out of our test team for a long time!

Yes let's enjoy the mediocrity the likes of Hafeez are giving us failure after failure yet still the next captain in waiting.

 

[cosmetic]

is this thread title from Umar akmal himself or his brothers or his relative

 

[a_tahir]

Umar akmal is needed now

 

[waqar goraya]

Wow !

Umar Akmal is a very decent batsman if he is in the right frame of mind. But so many bring him back threads are just a overkill. He is not that good guys !

 

[YousafTheBeast]

DAYYUUMMMM [MENTION=131701]Mamoon[/MENTION] is an Akmalian

 

[topspin]

A good PSL and a commitment to fitness agreement will see his inevitable return in ODIs.

 

[saqibali]

Umar akmal should consider keeping wickets he will be much better then sarfaraz and already 10 times better batsman then rizwan

 

[YousafTheBeast]

Umar akmal should consider keeping wickets he will be much better then sarfaraz and already 10 times better batsman then rizwan

He’s a gun fielder at long off, so it would be silly to have him as a keeper!