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Top 10 Most Powerful Countries in the World 2025 List: Surprisingly, India is not included in this list, despite its vast population, the fourth-largest military, and being the fifth-largest economy—know its ranking and standing on the list.
Top 10 Most Powerful Countries In The World In 2025: In today’s multipolar world, countries are competing for global dominance and power while balancing the interplay of economic strength, political influence, and military capabilities.

The United States leads as the most powerful country globally in 2025, followed by China in second place and Israel rounding up the list at the tenth spot, according to a recent report by US News and World Report.

Enlisted below are the world’s top 10 most powerful nations in 2025, along with India’s standing and ranking on the list.

Global top 10: The world’s most powerful nations in 2025

The United States continues to be a dominant world leader, with strong and diversified industries, the highest military spending, and the presence of top information technology firms that significantly enhance its favoured position in the world economy.

China has risen to become the second most powerful country, characterised by strong developments in technology, especially in the area of artificial intelligence, with Russia trailing closely, using its rich natural resources and military capabilities to enhance its global position.

Furthermore, the United Kingdom is rapidly establishing itself as a formidable hub for technology startups, while Germany is at the forefront of advancements in green energy solutions.

Meanwhile, France is prioritising the modernization of its industrial sector to enhance efficiency and competitiveness.

Despite the challenges of an ageing population, Asian nations like South Korea and Japan have also featured on the list, being identified as forerunners of technological advancement. South Korea is leading in technological and renewable energy innovations; Japan is investing heavily in semiconductor production and electric vehicles.

Worth mentioning are Saudi Arabia and Israel, which are making significant developments on the global scene. Saudi Arabia is experiencing a significant rise in wealth due to its oil industry and accelerating mega-tourism, Israel is becoming known for its innovative technological outcomes and strong defence capabilities.

Where does India stand?

One of the most populated countries, the fifth largest in terms of the global economy with strong political influence and noteworthy global partnerships and military capabilities, India missed the spot in the top 10 rankings this year.

Trailing behind the United Arab Emirates (UAE), India presently stands in 12th position among the world’s most powerful nations in 2025, with its GDP estimated at $3.55 trillion and a population of 1.43 billion.

Here are the world’s top 10 most powerful countries in 2025:
  1. United States: The US remains the most powerful country with a $30 trillion economy. It leads in technology, finance, and entertainment and is home to many of the world’s top companies, contributing to its dominant global position.
  2. China: With a GDP of $19.53 trillion and a population of 1.41 billion, China is the second-most powerful nation. Its economic and military strength plays a crucial role in global affairs.
  3. Russia: Although Russia’s GDP is just $2.2 trillion, its military strength ranks second globally, securing its position as the third-most powerful country. Russia plays a key role in global security and geopolitics.
  4. United Kingdom: The UK is ranked fourth, with efforts to establish new economic partnerships post-Brexit. London remains a major hub for technology and start-ups.
  5. Germany: Germany leads the EU’s green energy initiatives, focusing on renewable energy and reducing carbon emissions.
  6. South Korea: Known for technological innovation, South Korea is home to major global tech companies and contributes significantly to the world economy. It is also making strides in green energy.
  7. France: France is heavily investing in digital transformation and renewable energy while playing a vital role in shaping EU policies.
  8. Japan: With a GDP of $4.11 trillion, Japan excels in the automotive and electronics industries. The country is focusing on AI, chip manufacturing, and electric vehicles, though its declining birth rate remains a concern.
  9. Saudi Arabia: Ranked ninth, Saudi Arabia has a GDP of $1.4 trillion, with oil production making it an economic powerhouse. Its military and strategic alliances enhance its influence in the Middle East.
  10. Israel: With an economy worth $550.91 billion, Israel’s military strength is a key factor in its ranking, despite being surrounded by geopolitical tensions.
Identifying the most powerful nations for the year 2025, the countries were evaluated based on five essential criteria: leadership, economic strength, political influence, strong international alliances, and military capabilities.

Source: https://indianexpress.com/article/t...the-world-2025-where-does-india-rank-9816599/
 
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This looks like one of the better lists, with the exception of Saudi Arabia and Israel.
Generally speaking, the qualitative aspects of industrial-era powers like the UK and Germany are often overlooked in 'quantitative' lists focused on the rise of Asia. Both the UK and Germany remain intellectual powerhouses, bolstered by centuries-old cultures, traditions, and a well-established infrastructure in the arts and sciences.
 
amax said:
This looks like one of the better lists, with the exception of Saudi Arabia and Israel.
Generally speaking, the qualitative aspects of industrial-era powers like the UK and Germany are often overlooked in 'quantitative' lists focused on the rise of Asia. Both the UK and Germany remain intellectual powerhouses, bolstered by centuries-old cultures, traditions, and a well-established infrastructure in the arts and sciences.
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Why exception of Saudi Arabia and Israel? Both are very powerful nations.
 
sweep_shot said:
Another legacy of chaiwala Modi.

Taking India one backward step at a time.

:qdkcheeky
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Read the whole thread. India ranks 12th on the list which is highest than it even been in its history. So how is Modi taking the country down? LOL
 
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The most interesting aspect about the Top 10/20 nations in the world is their relationships with each other and i must say that as i grew up we have done an exceptional job at strengthening our ties with the majority of these so called powerful nations.

Not many countries in the world can boast having deep relationships with the US, Russia, Israel, Saudi-MiddleEast, EU, APAC, LATAM, etc all at the same time.

We have a sensitive relationship with China which is not great yet not terrible.

We will sort out things with Pakistan in like 30-40 years, eventually they will merge back with the motherland.

Bangladesh, don’t care. Send all the illegals back. Build a steel wall at the border. They will ask to be reintegrated but we don’t like them like we do the Pakistanis who are our lost brothers and sisters and will always live in our hearts until we are reunited.

We are good.
 
Bhaijaan said:
The most interesting aspect about the Top 10/20 nations in the world is their relationships with each other and i must say that as i grew up we have done an exceptional job at strengthening our ties with the majority of these so called powerful nations.

Not many countries in the world can boast having deep relationships with the US, Russia, Israel, Saudi-MiddleEast, EU, APAC, LATAM, etc all at the same time.

We have a sensitive relationship with China which is not great yet not terrible.

We will sort out things with Pakistan in like 30-40 years, eventually they will merge back with the motherland.

Bangladesh, don’t care. Send all the illegals back. Build a steel wall at the border. They will ask to be reintegrated but we don’t like them like we do the Pakistanis who are our lost brothers and sisters and will always live in our hearts until we are reunited.

We are good.
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sweep_shot said:
Caption: I miss making chai. Maybe I should go back to making chai and transfer leadership to Rahul Gandhi.

:qdkcheeky
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Why should he transfer leadership to Rahul Gandhi when people have rejected him in 3 straight general elections? India is a democratic country and here people don't transfer leadership as per their whims.
 
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FearlessRoar said:
Sure can you provide me with the source?
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Same source as OP.

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Where does India stand?​

One of the most populated countries, the fifth largest in terms of the global economy with strong political influence and noteworthy global partnerships and military capabilities, India missed the spot in the top 10 rankings this year.

Trailing behind the United Arab Emirates (UAE), India presently stands in 12th position among the world’s most powerful nations in 2025, with its GDP estimated at $3.55 trillion and a population of 1.43 billion.


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@cricketjoshila @Devadwal - check the burn here lads

:kp
 
Rajdeep said:
Why exception of Saudi Arabia and Israel? Both are very powerful nations.
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Saudi Arabia's power largely stems from its religious significance(comes under culture?) and vast natural resources. However, I wouldn't characterize it as an example of organic development into a powerful nation. In contrast, nations that have organically risen to global prominence, both in the West and now East Asia, also exert strong multi-dimensional influence worldwide. Take Russian literature, for instance.

Israel, though powerful in its own right, is geographically small and shares more similarities to Saudia Arabia, in other aspects.
 
emranabbas said:
It's a top 10 list, and India didn’t make it to top 10 so why should title be changed?
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Because the title explicitly says India didn't make the list. So it is only fair we clarify the position of India.

If the thread title was only top 10 most powerful countries in the world then it would have been no issues.
 
Rajdeep said:
Because the title explicitly says India didn't make the list. So it is only fair we clarify the position of India.

If the thread title was only top 10 most powerful countries in the world then it would have been no issues.
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Top 10 - India doesn't make the list...
What is wrong with the title? Has India made the top 10? It's not misleading in anyway.

But forget Top 10 most powerful countries, they should have a list for the top 10 most insecure nation...
 
Rajdeep said:
Same source as OP.

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Where does India stand?​

One of the most populated countries, the fifth largest in terms of the global economy with strong political influence and noteworthy global partnerships and military capabilities, India missed the spot in the top 10 rankings this year.

Trailing behind the United Arab Emirates (UAE), India presently stands in 12th position among the world’s most powerful nations in 2025, with its GDP estimated at $3.55 trillion and a population of 1.43 billion.


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@cricketjoshila @Devadwal - check the burn here lads

:kp
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India is in top 10. Don't Read too much into These report .

:kp
 
IMMY69 said:
Top 10 - India doesn't make the list...
What is wrong with the title? Has India made the top 10? It's not misleading in anyway.

But forget Top 10 most powerful countries, they should have a list for the top 10 most insecure nation...
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Top 10 most insecure nations or top 10 most obnoxious nations.

I think we can guess which country would be #1.

:qdkcheeky
 
IMMY69 said:
Top 10 - India doesn't make the list...
What is wrong with the title? Has India made the top 10? It's not misleading in anyway.

But forget Top 10 most powerful countries, they should have a list for the top 10 most insecure nation...
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Bcoz that is not the title of the Indian express source posted in OP. It has been added deliberately that India didn't make the list. So what? Pakistan, Bangladesh, Australia etc etc also didnt make the list. However since specifically India didnt make the top 10 cut was added in the title, I think its only fair to add which position they stand. Anyway I am not too fussed with it as pretty used to the bias nature of some posters here.
 
Rajdeep said:
Bcoz that is not the title of the Indian express source posted in OP. It has been added deliberately that India didn't make the list. So what? Pakistan, Bangladesh, Australia etc etc also didnt make the list. However since specifically India didnt make the top 10 cut was added in the title, I think its only fair to add which position they stand. Anyway I am not too fussed with it as pretty used to the bias nature of some posters here.
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If you're so confident then why not just chuckle at the title, crack a few jokes if you like and then move on...
How is altering the title of a thread going to make any difference to you or anyone else for that matter?
Unless of course you're unsure of yourself, or the nation you belong too.
 
IMMY69 said:
If you're so confident then why not just chuckle at the title, crack a few jokes if you like and then move on...
How is altering the title of a thread going to make any difference to you or anyone else for that matter?
Unless of course you're unsure of yourself, or the nation you belong too.
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If everyone just chuckles and moves on then it beats the purpose of the forum. It is meant for discussion and debates.

Check the post #4. Without full context trolls will come with gems like that and many would presume reading such posts is that India is some Somalia and ranks 200. This is simply not true and it narrowly misses out the top 10 rankings and ranked 12 just after UAE.

So if you explicitly put India didn't make the cut in the title, you must also elaborate which position they stand for to get a clearer picture. If that information was deliberately hidden to have a go at India, then its fine. But at least say it clearly...LOL.
 
That list is useless. How can't Pakistan be on such a list?
A list of the world's most powerful countries without the Qila-e-Islam, Riyasat-e-Madinah, Nuclear Armed Republic of Pakistan in the top 5 is not worth the paper it is printed on.

Saudi? Israel? UK? What nonsense!
Pakistan is the real deal!
 
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Rajdeep said:
If everyone just chuckles and moves on then it beats the purpose of the forum. It is meant for discussion and debates.

Check the post #4. Without full context trolls will come with gems like that and many would presume reading such posts is that India is some Somalia and ranks 200. This is simply not true and it narrowly misses out the top 10 rankings and ranked 12 just after UAE.

So if you explicitly put India didn't make the cut in the title, you must also elaborate which position they stand for to get a clearer picture. If that information was deliberately hidden to have a go at India, then its fine. But at least say it clearly...LOL.
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Then reply with banter..

Step outside of the box, see yourself.
This is why some posters come at other posters with the right wing, rss, extremist accusations.... you don't have to come across as a supreme nationalist all the time
 
gani999 said:
That list is useless. How can't Pakistan be on such a list?
A list of the world's most powerful countries without the Qila-e-Islam, Riyasat-e-Madinah, Nuclear Armed Republic of Pakistan in the top 5 is not worth the paper it is printed on.

Saudi? Israel? UK? What nonsense!
Pakistan is the real deal!
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Y'all have been chanting "India is a supapowa" like it's a morning mantra, and now that someone dares to ask, " where’s the top 10 ranking though?" suddenly it's all deflections, whataboutery, and comparisons to Pakistan, because apparently, that's the default coping mechanism.

Listen, no sane Pakistani (which, miraculously, includes almost everyone here) is claiming Pakistan is anywhere near that top 10 list. If some random organization does, we'll be laughing right alongside you. But the question remains, if India is the economic juggernaut we keep hearing about, why is it missing from the VIP section of the global economy?

Maybe one day, India will crack that top 10 list. Who knows? But until then, how about a little less projection and a little more introspection? Accept reality, breathe deeply, and let’s all enjoy the comedy of it together. 😆
 
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India placed at no 12 is a big deal. A nation embroiled in corruption and myriad of other issues I would take that as a win.
 
Well done India. 12th is a good position. I'm surprised at the UKs high rankings. We are relying on past glories but hanging onto the rankings.
 
Rajdeep said:
If everyone just chuckles and moves on then it beats the purpose of the forum. It is meant for discussion and debates.

Check the post #4. Without full context trolls will come with gems like that and many would presume reading such posts is that India is some Somalia and ranks 200. This is simply not true and it narrowly misses out the top 10 rankings and ranked 12 just after UAE.

So if you explicitly put India didn't make the cut in the title, you must also elaborate which position they stand for to get a clearer picture. If that information was deliberately hidden to have a go at India, then its fine. But at least say it clearly...LOL.
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I would recommend you to ignore the trolling. I agree with @IMMY69 , we don't need to defend everything (in fact anything) on an internet forum. We know where India stands and how much influence it has. This thread title was created for having some fun and trolling is part of that fun. The more we respond in a serious way the more fun the trolls will have.
 
Rajdeep said:
Read the whole thread. India ranks 12th on the list which is highest than it even been in its history. So how is Modi taking the country down? LOL
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Why stay in the UK, the world’s 4th most powerful country, when you can upgrade to the 12th-ranked India? More chaos, more spice, and definitely better tea. :kp :inti
 
Surprised to see Saudi considering they depend upon US-Israel for everything.

UK and Saudi don’t really deserve to be there , probably for their soft power are included.

I would include Netherlands and Iran over these two.
 
gani999 said:
That list is a fraud. How can't Pakistan be on such a list?
A list of the world's most powerful countries without the Qila-e-Islam, Riyasat-e-Madinah, Nuclear Armed Republic of Pakistan in the top 5 is not worth the paper it is printed on.

Saudi? Israel? UK? What nonsense!
Pakistan is the real deal!
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Pakistan and Pakistanis don’t claim to be a superpower or Vishwaguru, so it’s no surprise they didn’t make the top 10 list. No expectations, no disappointments. :inti
 
ChennaiFan said:
I would recommend you to ignore the trolling. I agree with @IMMY69 , we don't need to defend everything (in fact anything) on an internet forum. We know where India stands and how much influence it has. This thread title was created for having some fun and trolling is part of that fun. The more we respond in a serious way the more fun the trolls will have.
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I think when we keep taking breaks from forum it helps to be rational , I have lost my cool multiple times too but I nowadays i just feel bad for the trollers that try too hard.
Some of the critic i genuinely agree on but i think it’s the way one words that gets a reaction from the opposite person.
 
JaDed said:
Surprised to see Saudi considering they depend upon US-Israel for everything.

UK and Saudi don’t really deserve to be there , probably for their soft power are included.

I would include Netherlands and Iran over these two.
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Why not the UK? sufficiently large population and significant influence on global culture—origin of many method actors in Hollywood, the birthplace of many popular subcultures, and more.
Additionally, London has consistently ranked as having the top startup ecosystem outside bay area, surpassing both Berlin and Shanghai.Netherlands, Switzerland, Sweden should be there but they are too small to be powerful.
 
My personal ranking of the 10 strongest nations in the world on the basis of 5 important parameters being 1) International political clout, 2) Financial might, 3) Defense muscle power, 4) Natural resources and 5) Human Resources.

Colour coding: Countries in Blue are ones i expect will go down in the ranking in coming years. Countries in Green i expect to go up and countries in red I expect will go out of Top 10 eventually.

1. USA
2. Russia
3. China
4. EU
5. Bharat
6. Israel
7. Saudi Arabia
8. Iran
9. Japan
10. UK
 
Thank you dear admins for updating the title. Now it looks much better.

Take that trollers

:Dah
 
India once had 25percent of Global GDP. It can struggle along aiming to top 10 or learn the lessons from history.

The region flourished under Muslim rule and through the hard word of the upper caste Hindus beauracracy. Other social groups could work away or burn wives to their hearts content.

Unfortunately the modern displacement has meant that the whole social fabric has been destroyed and groups no longer understand their roles in society. This has lead to resentment and mismanagement of resources.

Returning to this tradition will be a step in the right direction for the whole subcontinent. Many modern nation-states( Russia , turkey for example) have realised that recreating the old empires is the way to return to glory. India should also join this path.
 
DeadlyVenom said:
India once had 25percent of Global GDP. It can struggle along aiming to top 10 or learn the lessons from history.

The region flourished under Muslim rule and through the hard word of the upper caste Hindus beauracracy. Other social groups could work away or burn wives to their hearts content.

Unfortunately the modern displacement has meant that the whole social fabric has been destroyed and groups no longer understand their roles in society. This has lead to resentment and mismanagement of resources.

Returning to this tradition will be a step in the right direction for the whole subcontinent. Many modern nation-states( Russia , turkey for example) have realised that recreating the old empires is the way to return to glory. India should also join this path.
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We will reunite and reclaim our throne as the greatest nation ever.

Pakistan and Bharat combining forces will be our Ragnarok moment :akhtar
 
Bhaijaan said:
My personal ranking of the 10 strongest nations in the world on the basis of 5 important parameters being 1) International political clout, 2) Financial might, 3) Defense muscle power, 4) Natural resources and 5) Human Resources.

Colour coding: Countries in Blue are ones i expect will go down in the ranking in coming years. Countries in Green i expect to go up and countries in red I expect will go out of Top 10 eventually.

1. USA
2. Russia
3. China
4. EU
5. Bharat
6. Israel
7. Saudi Arabia
8. Iran
9. Japan
10. UK
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This is not an ICC Test Bowler Ranking list. :inti
 
JaDed said:
Surprised to see Saudi considering they depend upon US-Israel for everything.

UK and Saudi don’t really deserve to be there , probably for their soft power are included.

I would include Netherlands and Iran over these two.
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I think all the countries in the top 10 have a significant inflow of economic migrants from 3rd world countries because they provide better opportunities except for maybe Israel because of their closed culture. If India can become an attractive destination for foreign workers finding white collar jobs, they will be right up there. 12 still is a very high rank. If India can improve it's global image and provide better security, raise living standards, there's no reason why it can't beat those countries in the top 10
 
Bhaijaan said:
My personal ranking of the 10 strongest nations in the world on the basis of 5 important parameters being 1) International political clout, 2) Financial might, 3) Defense muscle power, 4) Natural resources and 5) Human Resources.

Colour coding: Countries in Blue are ones i expect will go down in the ranking in coming years. Countries in Green i expect to go up and countries in red I expect will go out of Top 10 eventually.

1. USA
2. Russia
3. China
4. EU
5. Bharat
6. Israel
7. Saudi Arabia
8. Iran
9. Japan
10. UK
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You have Indians going to work in UK, Saudi, Japan and Iran not the other way around.
 
Bhaijaan said:
My personal ranking of the 10 strongest nations in the world on the basis of 5 important parameters being 1) International political clout, 2) Financial might, 3) Defense muscle power, 4) Natural resources and 5) Human Resources.

Colour coding: Countries in Blue are ones i expect will go down in the ranking in coming years. Countries in Green i expect to go up and countries in red I expect will go out of Top 10 eventually.

1. USA
2. Russia
3. China
4. EU
5. Bharat
6. Israel
7. Saudi Arabia
8. Iran
9. Japan
10. UK
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what is cultural significance of Bharat for the rest of the world?
 
HalBass9 said:
Y'all have been chanting "India is a supapowa" like it's a morning mantra, and now that someone dares to ask, " where’s the top 10 ranking though?" suddenly it's all deflections, whataboutery, and comparisons to Pakistan, because apparently, that's the default coping mechanism.

Listen, no sane Pakistani (which, miraculously, includes almost everyone here) is claiming Pakistan is anywhere near that top 10 list. If some random organization does, we'll be laughing right alongside you. But the question remains, if India is the economic juggernaut we keep hearing about, why is it missing from the VIP section of the global economy?

Maybe one day, India will crack that top 10 list. Who knows? But until then, how about a little less projection and a little more introspection? Accept reality, breathe deeply, and let’s all enjoy the comedy of it together. 😆
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Other than a couple of notables, I don't think most of the Indian posters here ever claimed that India is a superpower. So I don't know what you are on about. Sure, there are a lot of Indian posters on this forum who want to see India become a superpower. Nothing wrong in that. Some also take pride in the achievements of Indians abroad. No harm in that either.
All we do is defend India when the country gets trolled on a Pakistani forum, which is a perfect world, should not be discussing anything about India other than in a couple of odd threads. But we can also understand that the portal needs revenue, and India bashing is sure to get footfalls. So no issues there either.
As for introspection there's plenty going on where it should be, don't worry. And as for projection, you Pakistanis aren't very mellowed down either. So you'll do well to take your own advice.
 
gani999 said:
Other than a couple of notables, I don't think most of the Indian posters here ever claimed that India is a superpower. So I don't know what you are on about. Sure, there are a lot of Indian posters on this forum who want to see India become a superpower. Nothing wrong in that. Some also take pride in the achievements of Indians abroad. No harm in that either.
All we do is defend India when the country gets trolled on a Pakistani forum, which is a perfect world, should not be discussing anything about India other than in a couple of odd threads. But we can also understand that the portal needs revenue, and India bashing is sure to get footfalls. So no issues there either.
As for introspection there's plenty going on where it should be, don't worry. And as for projection, you Pakistanis aren't very mellowed down either. So you'll do well to take your own advice.
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India is on its way to breaking into the top 10, and I hope it secures a spot in the top 5 sooner rather than later.

Trolled? I believe your grievances about discussing India and the revenue generated by a forum would cease if Indians stopped defending bigots. Something to consider.

Your initial comment was immature and full of 'whataboutery.'

Regarding, me as a Pakistani, you will never catch us defending bigotry nor genocide.
 
psyoptica said:
I think all the countries in the top 10 have a significant inflow of economic migrants from 3rd world countries because they provide better opportunities except for maybe Israel because of their closed culture. If India can become an attractive destination for foreign workers finding white collar jobs, they will be right up there. 12 still is a very high rank. If India can improve it's global image and provide better security, raise living standards, there's no reason why it can't beat those countries in the top 10
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South Korea , China and Japan don’t, if that was the criteria Canada and Aus would be in the list as well.
 
amax said:
Why not the UK? sufficiently large population and significant influence on global culture—origin of many method actors in Hollywood, the birthplace of many popular subcultures, and more.
Additionally, London has consistently ranked as having the top startup ecosystem outside bay area, surpassing both Berlin and Shanghai.Netherlands, Switzerland, Sweden should be there but they are too small to be powerful.
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It’s about power and UK just has soft power , Industrial companies is where Netherlands and Switzerland shine with real power.
ASML to Shell , they call lot of shots.

If startup ecosystem was a big thing even Bangalore rates high as per Forbes.. India isn’t in top 10
 
JaDed said:
South Korea , China and Japan don’t, if that was the criteria Canada and Aus would be in the list as well.
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Yes they do. Also I never said that's the only criteria, but stability and infrastructure definitely contribute to the power and influence at the global stage.
 
Rajdeep said:
Read the whole thread. India ranks 12th on the list which is highest than it even been in its history. So how is Modi taking the country down? LOL
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He is from BD. You are expecting too much understanding from him on India.
 
DeadlyVenom said:
India once had 25percent of Global GDP. It can struggle along aiming to top 10 or learn the lessons from history.

The region flourished under Muslim rule and through the hard word of the upper caste Hindus beauracracy. Other social groups could work away or burn wives to their hearts content.

Unfortunately the modern displacement has meant that the whole social fabric has been destroyed and groups no longer understand their roles in society. This has lead to resentment and mismanagement of resources.

Returning to this tradition will be a step in the right direction for the whole subcontinent. Many modern nation-states( Russia , turkey for example) have realised that recreating the old empires is the way to return to glory. India should also join this path.
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Pakistanis are free to think that their country progressed under muslim rule.

We in India don't think so. What we see is a succession of tyants who looted my country.
 
psyoptica said:
You have Indians going to work in UK, Saudi, Japan and Iran not the other way around.
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I suppose they will arguebthat Indians have done such a good job
cricketjoshila said:
Pakistanis are free to think that their country progressed under muslim rule.

We in India don't think so. What we see is a succession of tyants who looted my country.
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Where did the loot go?
 
psyoptica said:
Yes they do. Also I never said that's the only criteria, but stability and infrastructure definitely contribute to the power and influence at the global stage.
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Immigration to China Sk and Japan are hardly a thing, they are closed cultures, but yet powerful because of innovation and corporations.
 
JaDed said:
Immigration to China Sk and Japan are hardly a thing, they are closed cultures, but yet powerful because of innovation and corporations.
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I'm talking about parmanent immigration. Lots of people go to these countries for education and employment and would gladly become citizens if those countries allowed. India has good medical facilities so people go there for medical care but no one goes there for economic opportunities or learning.
India has a large GDP and a big population but in terms of human and infra development, it lags behind a lot of South American Countries let alone compete with Western Powers. India can get there if it can fine tune it's human development which China does so well. India doesn't even have a single university that is ranked top 150
 
psyoptica said:
I'm talking about parmanent immigration. Lots of people go to these countries for education and employment and would gladly become citizens if those countries allowed. India has good medical facilities so people go there for medical care but no one goes there for economic opportunities or learning.
India has a large GDP and a big population but in terms of human and infra development, it lags behind a lot of South American Countries let alone compete with Western Powers. India can get there if it can fine tune it's human development which China does so well. India doesn't even have a single university that is ranked top 150
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Chinese have a huge population that don’t have HDI comparable to Europe same with Skorea, the income divide is huge in these two countries.

India can’t compete with these countries for various reasons.

India has systems which lead to jobs , entrepreneurship and innovation are not promoted in our schools and it will take a long time for that to occur.

Things are changing but any proper result will happen in next 10 years when students just don’t fight for a job and can think beyond.

Our school education is one of the worst among countries, but the will of students is strong to move out of poverty/middleclass, lets see what happens.
 
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JaDed said:
Chinese have a huge population that don’t have HDI comparable to Europe same with Skorea, the income divide is huge in these two countries.

India can’t compete with these countries for various reasons.

India has systems which lead to jobs , entrepreneurship and innovation are not promoted in our schools and it will take a long time for that to occur.



Our school education is one of the worst among countries, but the will of students is strong to move out of poverty/middleclass, lets see what happens.
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What is funny is people laughing at India do not look at their own countries.
 
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psyoptica said:
I'm talking about parmanent immigration. Lots of people go to these countries for education and employment and would gladly become citizens if those countries allowed. India has good medical facilities so people go there for medical care but no one goes there for economic opportunities or learning.
India has a large GDP and a big population but in terms of human and infra development, it lags behind a lot of South American Countries let alone compete with Western Powers. India can get there if it can fine tune it's human development which China does so well. India doesn't even have a single university that is ranked top 150
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They have two IIT in top 150.

There trajectory is upwards for some time.

My own expectation is they will have a top 80 institute within 15 years.
 
DeadlyVenom said:
They have two IIT in top 150.

There trajectory is upwards for some time.

My own expectation is they will have a top 80 institute within 15 years.
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The main reason for that is the structure of Indian Institutes, The top Universities in USA or UK offers everything science, tech humanities,law, research output and jobs. The top Indian Institutes on the other hand are subject focused. IITs focus mainly on tech and somewhat science. They also are more research oriented than jobs. IISC and TIFR on the other hand are complete research foucused. ISI tries to balance the two, but offer very few courses. Their humanities departments are also weak. The total output is already top 100 level. As I have mentioned before, in Nature's research ranking 5 Indian cities are in top 200, with Kolkata, Bangalore and Mumbai in top 100. But they are divided into different schools.
 
basitmian said:
Where is PAKISTAN in this list?

Must be RAW ki sazish
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Poor economy, political instability are keeping Pakistan down for now outside Top 20 but they have a huge Human Resource , are a young country and have natural resources also. Pakistan has a huge upside potential.

Till 2000s being a nuclear power was a much bigger deal than it is in 2025. Although there aren’t many new entrants in the nuclear club, the thing is that nukes are just a deterrent to any threat to sovereignty. They don’t make you a great nation before you fire them, and they certainly make you a much poorer nation after you use them if you ever do that. They were an important investment.
 
BouncerGuy said:
Pakistan was never a powerful country. Slave mentality and the political mess here make this country a huge mess..
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The nuclear status for a long time messed with the heads of the Pakistani leaders and top military brass making them believe the world will reserve the highest regards for Pakistan on the basis of being a nuclear nation. For a while it happened also. Gradually the world realized the nukes only served a doomsday emergency purpose.

Pakistan must prioritise its strategy and focus heavily on economy and political stability in the next two decades.
 
BouncerGuy said:
Pakistan was never a powerful country. Slave mentality and the political mess here make this country a huge mess..
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Wrong.
Pakistan were the greatest nation in the world when they were part of and were known as Bharat :heart:


1947 split was a crime.
 
The usual suspects are derailing the thread by dragging Pakistan and Bangladesh into the discussion, even though they have no relevance to the topic. The focus should remain on India not being among the top 10 most powerful countries in the world. :inti
 
Bhaag Viru Bhaag said:
The usual suspects are derailing the thread by dragging Pakistan and Bangladesh into the discussion, even though they have no relevance to the topic. The focus should remain on India not being among the top 10 most powerful countries in the world. :inti
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Yes. They are resorting to silly whataboutism.

They should borrow some of your wisdom. :inti
 
Bhaag Viru Bhaag said:
The usual suspects are derailing the thread by dragging Pakistan and Bangladesh into the discussion, even though they have no relevance to the topic. The focus should remain on India not being among the top 10 most powerful countries in the world. :inti
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To be fair Viru, Pakistan was dragged in post #69 by a poster named @basitmian and I don't think he is an usual suspect.

The fact is this is a Pakistani forum where we are discussing Top 10 powerful countries and people taking a jibe at India for being ranked 12. So asking where does Pakistan rank in it is not derailing the thread or whataboutery but a perfectly legal follow up question.

Can you pls check and confirm where is Pakistan in this list? Genuinely curious. Once you confirm, I will brother @FearlessRoar to update the title again.
 
Rajdeep said:
To be fair Viru, Pakistan was dragged in post #69 by a poster named @basitmian and I don't think he is an usual suspect.

The fact is this is a Pakistani forum where we are discussing Top 10 powerful countries and people taking a jibe at India for being ranked 12. So asking where does Pakistan rank in it is not derailing the thread or whataboutery but a perfectly legal follow up question.

Can you pls check and confirm where is Pakistan in this list? Genuinely curious. Once you confirm, I will brother @FearlessRoar to update the title again.
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This thread is about India, not Pakistan. The article is from The Indian Express. If you are interested in Pakistan's ranking, find it yourself and start a separate thread. My focus was solely on India's ranking and the fact that China is ranked 2nd while India lags behind. But as expected, andhbhakts like you would rather fixate on Pakistan and Bangladesh just to feel better about yourselves while enjoying life in the world’s 4th most powerful country. :kp

And the mods updated the title because this was the title on Indian Express:

Top 10 most powerful countries in the world 2025: Where does India rank?​

Pakistan has nothing to do with this article. So good luck asking mods to edit the title and fulfill your request. If tomorrow you decide to know about Uganda's ranking, they will not update the title again lol. :inti
 
JaDed said:
It’s about power and UK just has soft power , Industrial companies is where Netherlands and Switzerland shine with real power.
ASML to Shell , they call lot of shots.

If startup ecosystem was a big thing even Bangalore rates high as per Forbes.. India isn’t in top 10
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You are right about Industry . My impression was clouded by recent robotics startup scene in London. UK has surprising lack of large-scale OEMs(orginal equipment manufacturers) for economy of that size , Germany is in a different world in comparison.
 
Pakistanis can keep opening threads about India and discuss about India but Indians can't ask pakistanis the same questions?
 
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