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MIRAMSHAH: The banned Tehreek-i-Taliban Pakistan (TTP) has warned people against playing loud music, polio vaccination and women going out without being accompanied by a man, saying people defying the warning will face consequences.

The one-page message in Urdu seen by people in Miramshah, the headquarters of North Waziristan tribal district, on Wednesday cautioned the people: “We remind you [residents] that similar statements issued by Taliban several times in the past had fallen on deaf ears, but this time we are going to take to task those who violate the Taliban order.”

The message further said: “There will be no use of DJs, neither inside the house nor in open fields and those ignoring the warning will be responsible for consequences.”

Polio workers have been asked to do finger-marking of children during the vaccination campaign, but told not to administer polio drops to children or be ready to face dire consequences for defying the instruction.

The pamphlet prohibited playing loud music on computer and other shops with a warning that any place from where songs were heard could be blown up any time.

“Women shouldn’t go out of their homes alone as it is harmful for our society. There is one informer of Mujahideen in every three people and it was misconception on the part of the people to think we will not get information about non-compliance of our order. Follow the order or be ready to face worst consequences,” the message concluded.

Published in Dawn, August 1st, 2019

https://www.dawn.com/news/1497395

Very sad to see re emergence of TTP in this region. One wonders how they are allowed to get away with such actions when action against PTM was so swift and harsh. Lets hope that PTI condemn this and stamp out these terrorists before situation deteriorates further.
 
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Very sad to see re emergence of TTP in this region. One wonders how they are allowed to get away with such actions when action against PTM was so swift and harsh. Lets hope that PTI condemn this and stamp out these terrorists before situation deteriorates further.

Bro why would a pet go against his master?
 
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Very sad to see re emergence of TTP in this region. One wonders how they are allowed to get away with such actions when action against PTM was so swift and harsh. Lets hope that PTI condemn this and stamp out these terrorists before situation deteriorates further.

They've re-emerged by siding with PTM. Pakistani Army has learned you can't control these beasts, but Pashteen and co needed them to fill up their rallies. Oh well, you reap what you sow, let's see Pashteen come out against them.
 
I expect no action from the government. The only thing I expect if for the state to blame PTM (who tend to become very influential in tribal areas or have no influence at all among the locals, depending on the mood of the state and what suits its narrative) or something other than their own neglect for the re-emergence of TTP in the region.
 
TTP was never fully dismantled. The action against them just meant they went in to hiding.

Now that PTM has created less space for Pakistan's army to conduct operations, TTP can start coming out again.

PTM is the second leg of the TTP. It has the same sponsors and the goals are the same too, to malign the state and to destabilize. They just go about it in different manners.

Question for all PTM supporters.

Will PTM hold protests against TTP?

Will manzoor pashteen hold a pashtun long march and risk his life by protesting against TTP atrocities?

If the answer is no, you have your answer on how much PTM actually cares about pashtuns.
 
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I expect no action from the government. The only thing I expect if for the state to blame PTM (who tend to become very influential in tribal areas or have no influence at all among the locals, depending on the mood of the state and what suits its narrative) or something other than their own neglect for the re-emergence of TTP in the region.

So what you are saying is, if the army takes action they will get blamed for committing crimes against pashtuns, if they don't take action against TTP, army will then get blamed for not taking action and leaving pashtuns at the whims of the TTP?
 
I expect no action from the government. The only thing I expect if for the state to blame PTM (who tend to become very influential in tribal areas or have no influence at all among the locals, depending on the mood of the state and what suits its narrative) or something other than their own neglect for the re-emergence of TTP in the region.

Yeah the same PTM who used to beg for army to come and clean up tribal areas have now changed their tune but its the state.

I thought you were a quality neutral poster. But you're as clueless as the rest.
 
So what you are saying is, if the army takes action they will get blamed for committing crimes against pashtuns, if they don't take action against TTP, army will then get blamed for not taking action and leaving pashtuns at the whims of the TTP?

His reply will be something alone the lines of:

''...the state....70 years.....the state....narrative....70 years....''
 
https://www.dawn.com/news/1497395

Very sad to see re emergence of TTP in this region. One wonders how they are allowed to get away with such actions when action against PTM was so swift and harsh. Lets hope that PTI condemn this and stamp out these terrorists before situation deteriorates further.

There was a full fledged military operation against TTP, did you forget?

PTM are the ones that don't want military action against these groups and are campaigning heavily for them. This makes pak military hesitant to do further military action in the area.

PTM is a separatist movement and Pakistan is actually using a light hand for them.

There is a picture of manzoor pashteen holding a pashtunistan flag online.

See what india, Israel, Iraq, etc... have done to separatist movements in the past then compare that to how pakistan is dealing with PTM.
 
His reply will be something alone the lines of:

''...the state....70 years.....the state....narrative....70 years....''

If pak army takes further action against TTP, the PTM narrative:

- Pak army displaced thousands of pashtuns, carried out war crimes against pashtuns, etc...

If pak army doesn't take action, PTMs narrative:

- yeh jo deshatgardi hai iske peeche wardi hai


So what is the army to do to make PTM happy?
 
I can understand their arguments against music. But, why are they against vaccination? Doesn't make sense!
 
Yeah the same PTM who used to beg for army to come and clean up tribal areas have now changed their tune but its the state.

I thought you were a quality neutral poster. But you're as clueless as the rest.

Just make up your mind man. Either they don't like TTP and want gov to take action or they like TTP and want gov to stay away from them. As I said, it depends on the deep state's mood to paint them as either TTP sympathizers or TTP phobic whichever it suits their narrative of the day.
 
And tell me again, when did PTM ever said they want TTP to have power and influence in the region?
 
Just make up your mind man. Either they don't like TTP and want gov to take action or they like TTP and want gov to stay away from them. As I said, it depends on the deep state's mood to paint them as either TTP sympathizers or TTP phobic whichever it suits their narrative of the day.

What are you on about? Our mind is made up that PTM are snakes. Its PTM who can't make their mind up, ten years ago they wanted army in Fata now they don't.

You have comprehension problems.
 
What are you on about? Our mind is made up that PTM are snakes. Its PTM who can't make their mind up, ten years ago they wanted army in Fata now they don't.

You have comprehension problems.

Show me something concrete that solidifies the fact that PTM supports TTP. We have it on record that PTM wanted action against TTP. I'd love to know the evidence to the contrary.
 
Show me something concrete that solidifies the fact that PTM supports TTP. We have it on record that PTM wanted action against TTP. I'd love to know the evidence to the contrary.

The fact they want army out of Fata when every dog knows its too risky removing all the checkpoints but the army obliged in many places and now we have TTP making threats again. Add to that the army's recent wish of more operations and continued checkpoints which was labelled as anti-Pashtun by PTM. Infact any action the army wants to take is somehow now being labelled as anti-Pakhtun.

A simple 10 second google search can tell you this. But your laptop-bot is stuck on ''70 years...the state...narrative...'

https://www.pakistantoday.com.pk/2019/05/29/mohsin-dawar-wants-pakistan-army-out-of-waziristan/



Like I said, as hopeless as the rest.
 
The fact they want army out of Fata when every dog knows its too risky removing all the checkpoints but the army obliged in many places and now we have TTP making threats again. Add to that the army's recent wish of more operations and continued checkpoints which was labelled as anti-Pashtun by PTM. Infact any action the army wants to take is somehow now being labelled as anti-Pakhtun.

A simple 10 second google search can tell you this. But your laptop-bot is stuck on ''70 years...the state...narrative...'

https://www.pakistantoday.com.pk/2019/05/29/mohsin-dawar-wants-pakistan-army-out-of-waziristan/



Like I said, as hopeless as the rest.

LOL. One thing is not the same as the other. Wanting to decriminalise Pakhtun identity is not the same as supporting TTP.
 
LOL. One thing is not the same as the other. Wanting to decriminalise Pakhtuns is not the same as supporting TTP.

Wanting to get out of Wazirstan thus opening the army and the country to TTP attacks is supporting TTP.

You can LOL all you want. The TTP hates your sect the most, so continue lolling.
 
Here is a fruit for thought. Imagine 10 checkposts in FATA and one checkpost in any other region. If there is one terrorist present in other region and 2 are present in FATA. The average would suggests that a terrorist in any other region is likely to beat the system whereas a terrorist in FATA will not. As time goes on, FATA becomes more notorious for having terrorists and can possibly result in the diversion of resources from other areas and into FATA. Now you have 20 checkposts in FATA and non in other regions combined. The end result is that FATA and the rest of tribal areas and their people become stigmatized for having more terrorists then they actually have whereas other regions can be safely occupied by terrorists without the fear of detection. Moral of the story is: the more checkposts you have, the more stereotyped and stigmatized people of the area will get. Missing from this scenario is the overall humiliation that the people of FATA go through everyday. Which is the very reason why PTM exist today.
 
Wanting to get out of Wazirstan thus opening the army and the country to TTP attacks is supporting TTP.

You can LOL all you want. The TTP hates your sect the most, so continue lolling.

What's the alternative? Endless army presence in the region? Hate to burst your bubble, but no area can have peace if its always in the state of war. Army had more than a decade to clean up the mess in tribal areas and judging by your desire for continuous army presence in the region, i'd say the Army has failed miserably. But if you can't see that then i'd rather talk to a wall or spend my time on anything other than this conversation.
 
Here is a fruit for thought. Imagine 10 checkposts in FATA and one checkpost in any other region. If there is one terrorist present in other region and 2 are present in FATA. The average would suggests that a terrorist in any other region is likely to beat the system whereas a terrorist in FATA will not. As time goes on, FATA becomes more notorious for having terrorists and can possibly result in the diversion of resources from other areas and into FATA. Now you have 20 checkposts in FATA and non in other regions combined. The end result is that FATA and the rest of tribal areas and their people become stigmatized for having more terrorists then they actually have whereas other regions can be safely occupied by terrorists without the fear of detection. Moral of the story is: the more checkposts you have, the more stereotyped and stigmatized people of the area will get. Missing from this scenario is the overall humiliation that the people of FATA go through everyday. Which is the very reason why PTM exist today.

What's the alternative? Endless army presence in the region? Hate to burst your bubble, but no area can have peace if its always in the state of war. Army had more than a decade to clean up the mess in tribal areas and judging by your desire for continuous army presence in the region, i'd say the Army has failed miserably. But if you can't see that then i'd rather talk to a wall or spend my time on anything other than this conversation.

Checkposts and security in Fata have put the nation at peace and not only the nation but Fata itself as well.

As for walls. I don't know why I even bothered. aside from some lines I can't even be bothered to read the rest of your nonsense. You like the army out of Waziristan. Then namak harams like you will be the first one to cry and whine at the 'state'.

Another hopeless cause added to my ignore list
 
What's the alternative? Endless army presence in the region? Hate to burst your bubble, but no area can have peace if its always in the state of war. Army had more than a decade to clean up the mess in tribal areas and judging by your desire for continuous army presence in the region, i'd say the Army has failed miserably. But if you can't see that then i'd rather talk to a wall or spend my time on anything other than this conversation.

The alternative is for PTM to hold protests against TTP. TTP commits crimes against Pashtuns as well as the rest of Pakistani populace. PTM needs to hold protests against them in their strong holds to put pressure on them to lay down their weapons. Manzoor Pashteen needs to come out and DJ at a large gathering in Miramshah to protest against TTP.

If PTM actually cares abouts Pashtun lives and isnt just another seperatist group backed by NDS and RAW, then why not protest against TTP, NATO troops, etc... who do a lot more damage to Pashtuns?
 
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The alternative is for PTM to hold protests against TTP. TTP commits crimes against Pashtuns as well as the rest of Pakistani populace. PTM needs to hold protests against them in their strong holds to put pressure on them to lay down their weapons. Manzoor Pashteen needs to come out and DJ at a large gathering in Miramshah to protest against TTP.

If PTM actually cares abouts Pashtun lives and isnt just another seperatist group backed by NDS and RAW, then why not protest against TTP, NATO troops, etc... who do a lot more damage to Pashtuns?

And NATO continues to butcher Pakhtuns every month.

These trolls are stuck on the state, 70 years and the useless bakwaas.
 
The alternative is for PTM to hold protests against TTP. TTP commits crimes against Pashtuns as well as the rest of Pakistani populace. PTM needs to hold protests against them in their strong holds to put pressure on them to lay down their weapons. Manzoor Pashteen needs to come out and DJ at a large gathering in Miramshah to protest against TTP.

If PTM actually cares abouts Pashtun lives and isnt just another seperatist group backed by NDS and RAW, then why not protest against TTP, NATO troops, etc... who do a lot more damage to Pashtuns?

As Pakh mentioned earlier, PTM have done exactly those things in the past. The fact that they wanted actions taken against TTP in the region is obviously a clear evidence. But no, lets conveniently ignore that.
 
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And NATO continues to butcher Pakhtuns every month.

These trolls are stuck on the state, 70 years and the useless bakwaas.

Its disgusting. They are literally killing and maiming thousands of pashtuns every year.

Yet what concrete steps is PTM taking to protest against them?

NATO and TTP isnt even on PTM's radar.

However, the Pakistani army, which has a large number of Pashtuns by the way, who sacrificed thousands of lives to clear out TTP **** from the tribal areas are the bad guys somehow.

The sooner liberals figure out that PTM is just a sleeper organization that pretends to care about human rights, but in reality is a seperatist group funded by Pakistan's enemies (NDS and Raw) the better.

Manzoor pashteen took pictures with the pashtunistan flag, and people think he is doing all of this just for humanitarian reasons :jimmy
 
I don't know if people know this but our army has been known to disappear innocent civilians and handing them over to US troops in the past.
 
As Pakh mentioned earlier, PTM have done exactly those things in the past. The fact that they wanted actions taken against TTP in the region is obviously a clear evidence. But no, lets conveniently ignore that.

They wanted Pak army to take action. Now they complain Pakistani army hates Pashtuns somehow. Thousands of Pashtun Pak army jawans lost their lives defending this country, and PTM thinks Pak Army hates pashtuns. PTM is just here to destabilize Pakistan and is sponsered by Pakistan's enemies.

When will we see them out on the streets protesting against NATO and TTP like they do against the Pakistani Army?

Do the Pashtuns opressed by TTP or killed by NATO not deserve justice?
 
They wanted Pak army to take action. Now they complain Pakistani army hates Pashtuns somehow. Thousands of Pashtun Pak army jawans lost their lives defending this country, and PTM thinks Pak Army hates pashtuns. PTM is just here to destabilize Pakistan and is sponsered by Pakistan's enemies.

When will we see them out on the streets protesting against NATO and TTP like they do against the Pakistani Army?

Do the Pashtuns opressed by TTP or killed by NATO not deserve justice?

Yes, because they have problem with their methods. Is it that hard to comprehend? And as I said you still wilfully ignored that they have protested against TTP in the past. But now you also want them to protest against NATO. Keep moving the post son.
 
I don't know if people know this but our army has been known to disappear innocent civilians and handing them over to US troops in the past.

Ok lets say they do. It is immoral and they need to stop.

Why does TTP, Afghan Army, and NATO get off scott free?

Why isnt PTM protesting against them? Do they not carry out atrocities against pashtuns?

Please use your common sense, and realize PTM is foreign funded agenda driven organization whos actual aim is to destabilize Pakistan.
 
Ok lets say they do. It is immoral and they need to stop.

Why does TTP, Afghan Army, and NATO get off scott free?

Why isnt PTM protesting against them? Do they not carry out atrocities against pashtuns?

Please use your common sense, and realize PTM is foreign funded agenda driven organization whos actual aim is to destabilize Pakistan.

The fact PTM is standing with PPP should say it all. But these people are blind.
 
The fact PTM is standing with PPP should say it all. But these people are blind.

Yup the same PPP who in the wikileaks authorized U.S. to carry out drone attacks in Pakistan tribal areas "as long as they get the right ones".
 
They wanted Pak army to take action. Now they complain Pakistani army hates Pashtuns somehow. Thousands of Pashtun Pak army jawans lost their lives defending this country, and PTM thinks Pak Army hates pashtuns. PTM is just here to destabilize Pakistan and is sponsered by Pakistan's enemies.

When will we see them out on the streets protesting against NATO and TTP like they do against the Pakistani Army?

Do the Pashtuns opressed by TTP or killed by NATO not deserve justice?

Yes, Pak army hates Pashtuns and yes Trump hates white people.
A large number of, if not the majority of officers and Jawans in Pak army are Pashtuns.
 
Ok lets say they do. It is immoral and they need to stop.

Why does TTP, Afghan Army, and NATO get off scott free?

Why isnt PTM protesting against them? Do they not carry out atrocities against pashtuns?

Please use your common sense, and realize PTM is foreign funded agenda driven organization whos actual aim is to destabilize Pakistan.

OK. Lets accept that PTM is a foreign funded agenda driven organisation. Lets accept that they are destabilizing Pakistan. Lets even accept that they are funded by RAW, NDS, etc. But tell me one thing. Don't you see it as a problem that for more than a decade Pakistan army has been deployed in the region but all they have to show for are re-emboldened TTP and foreign proxies in the region. They clear one region and TTP find another. It's pretty much same problem as the US troops face in Afghanistan. Places like FATA or Afghanistan cannot have a military solution. All they create are resentments that further the conflict.

On another note, your premise is pretty ridiculous. Oh why don't they protest against NATO, oh why do they not condemn Afghan Army or TTP (which they already have in the past). Its the same premise the Israelis use when they try to conflate criticism of Israel to antisemitism. Oh why don't the world not condemn other countries. Why does Israel get singled out. It's the get out of jail card from every criticism. PTM may or may not be a foreign funded organisation but the issues they are raising have genuine implications in the region.
 
Yup the same PPP who in the wikileaks authorized U.S. to carry out drone attacks in Pakistan tribal areas "as long as they get the right ones".

Any party that supports PPP is plainly idiotic. However, it puts their credentials as conspiratorial crypto-illuminati, saboteurs in chief, into serious doubts.
 
OK. Lets accept that PTM is a foreign funded agenda driven organisation. Lets accept that they are destabilizing Pakistan. Lets even accept that they are funded by RAW, NDS, etc. But tell me one thing. Don't you see it as a problem that for more than a decade Pakistan army has been deployed in the region but all they have to show for are re-emboldened TTP and foreign proxies in the region. They clear one region and TTP find another. It's pretty much same problem as the US troops face in Afghanistan. Places like FATA or Afghanistan cannot have a military solution. All they create are resentments that further the conflict.

On another note, your premise is pretty ridiculous. Oh why don't they protest against NATO, oh why do they not condemn Afghan Army or TTP (which they already have in the past). Its the same premise the Israelis use when they try to conflate criticism of Israel to antisemitism. Oh why don't the world not condemn other countries. Why does Israel get singled out. It's the get out of jail card from every criticism. PTM may or may not be a foreign funded organisation but the issues they are raising have genuine implications in the region.

TTP members dont go around with TTP written on their face. They can blend into the local population when required. Not to mention, they can cross the border in to Afghanistan where they find shelter.

Military operations may not eliminate them, but it does damage their ability to strike at Pakistan at their whims. That is evidence by the reduction in terrorist attacks in Pakistan.

Another thing is, Pakistan can not have ungoverned land. Pakistani state has to control every inch of Pakistan. Having areas where TTP is allowed free reign can not stand. They use those areas for recruitment, training, launching pads for attacks. Not to mention, they oppress the locals living there. No music or we will kill you, no women outside or we will kill you, etc...

Another step being taken is to fence of the border with Afghanistan, which will not totally eliminate the movement between the border, but it will definitely help slow it down.

The long term objective will be to setup infrastructure in tribal areas, make hospitals, schools, etc.. so the recruitment ability of TTP is reduced.

Setting up a local policing system is key, so that the military does not need to govern a civilian area.

However, to achieve this we need time. It wont happen overnight.

Tribal areas just got brought into the mainstream. Just had their first elections.

Things will improve inshallah.


Isreal analogy is totally ridiculous.

Pashtuns being victimized should be the issue. Whether it is Pakistani army, Nato, TTP, Afghan Army, etc...

Why does PTM single out Pak army? This shows their agenda.
 
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Any party that supports PPP is plainly idiotic. However, it puts their credentials as conspiratorial crypto-illuminati, saboteurs in chief, into serious doubts.

Their objective is to destabilize Pakistan. They will team up with whomever to achieve that purpose. This is proven by their siding with PPP.

PPP and PMLN similarly are trying to save their leadership from corruption accountability. Why do you think secular PPP is siding with moulana diesel?
 
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