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U.S. Presidential Election 2016 underway - Donald Trump v Hillary Clinton

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Despite the disgraceful Republican voter suppression, especially in North Carolina, it is heartening to see large minority turnout in places like Nevada.

Keep an eye on the Senate race too guys - could even be a 50-50 split. Tight races in New Hampshire, Wisconsin and Missouri, North Carolina.
 
Trump needs close to a miracle to win.

If he loses Flordia it's game over for him. Even if he does gain Florida then he needs North Carolina and Pennsylvania and maybe New Hampshire.

Basically he has very narrow path to victory and really needs everything going his way which looks unlikely because he's alienated too many single women voters, Latinos while Blacks just don't want to go anywhere near him.

But above all Trump had a very poor ground game and considering the billions at his disposal he should have matched the well established Clinton machine.

Trumps big hall crowds may have soothed his ego and shored up his fanbase but it was never going to attract more voters so a big error on his part.
 
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I have spent the last year and a half watching the American election very closely. I avoided stating my opinion on social media platforms because of two reasons; the first reason being my opinion on this matter is completely irrelevant and I also do not hold any voting power in the United States. The second reason is that it opens up an another opportunity for people to let loose on social media which will in turn further divide us. But today is the day America decides what type of country they are okay to settle for, so I figured why not?

I say that America gets to settle today because no matter what happens, no American is really going to win. If Hillary Clinton wins, all that will happen with Democrat voters is they get a slightly more Conservative Obama but with less showmanship. If Donald Trump wins, and I think we all know where I'm going with this, then the people of America who have traditionally been the targets of hate (Blacks, Latinos, LGBT etc) have to deal with the fact that half of the American voters decided to support a candidate who has openly shown his disdain towards them. To put it openly, both of the options just suck.

But either one of them has to be voted in, and by just looking at the facts, it's pretty clear that Hillary Clinton will be the next president of United States. The Democrats have an advantage in the electoral college because of the liberalization of America's largest urban areas such as New York, California, basically all of New England, so on and so on. But Hillary has been able to make inroads in the south and a few other regions where Republicans have traditionally held strong. This is due to the changing demographics and ironically enough, can be linked back to a Republican President. In the 1950s, President Dwight Eisenhower constructed a series of national highways meant to link the individual states economies together. Along the eastern seaboard we have seen northerns going south more than southerners going north, and those northerners have brought with them liberal values. In other words, the Democrats are growing at the expense of the Republicans.

The people who know me identify me as a progressive conservative. I believe that the best way to lift people out of poverty is to create a market which allows corporations and small businesses to grow. The ultimate goal of any government can not be to get money into their own hands, but to keep money in the hands of people who earned it. Many believe that wealth inequality is bad, but I believe that wealth inequality is one of the most fundamental parts of a successful country. My argument is essentially one of equality of right over equality of condition.

My message to everyone out there who is like me, a conservative with no one to get behind, just pray that Hillary wins as honestly she isn't that bad when it comes to policies. If you're one of my American friends, vote your conscience, don't vote the party line because it's your party.

The beauty of a democracy is that if this time the winner turns out to be a dud, then there is always another chance to get it right. If you support Clinton, good luck, and if you support Trump then the same goes for you.
 
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Nevada judge denies Trump campaign lawsuit over early voting

A Nevada judge denied the Trump campaign’s request for an order to isolate ballots in Clark County that were allegedly cast after polls closed.

At an emergency hearing Tuesday afternoon, Judge Gloria Sturman said the Trump campaign’s lawsuit raises privacy concerns for the poll workers whose identities the campaign was requesting, saying she feared they would be the subject of “harassment.” Sturman also said Clark County officials are already required to preserve the records the Trump campaign was asking to preserve.

“I am not going to issue any order,” Sturman said.

The Trump campaign filed suit against the Clark County registrar, accusing him of intentionally coordinating with Democratic activists “in order to skew the vote unlawfully in favor of Democratic candidates.”

The suit alleges that the registrar instructed the head of the polling station to keep the location open two hours after its original closing time of 8 p.m., until 10 p.m. The head of the polling location allegedly told a poll watcher that he believed the station was being kept open to “help Hillary Clinton.”

Someone identified in the Trump filing as a “poll watcher” estimated that 150-300 people entered the line after 8 p.m., when the polling station was supposed to close, and suggested the number could have been higher.

Trump asked the court to intervene and make sure that the ballots and voting machines involved in the Nov. 4th voting events not be commingled with ballots and voting machines that were not involved in the alleged illegal voting.

Clark County had a record-breaking number of early voters, exceeding 57,000 by 10 p.m. local time Friday, according to the Las Vegas Review Journal. And the lawsuit points to a location that remained open beyond closing time -- at Cardenas Market. The head of the polling location, according to the lawsuit, was “instructed by the Registrar to keep this polling location open until the market closed at 10 p.m.” The Review Journal had noted that this location, which had been slated to close at 9 p.m., “remained open long after that time to accommodate the many voters still waiting to cast their ballots.”

On CNN’s “State of the Union” Sunday, Trump campaign manager Kellyanne Conway said the campaign didn’t object if polls were kept open to accommodate voters who were already in line, but, she said, “we don’t know that that’s true.”

On Saturday, Nevada GOP chairman Michael McDonald complained at a Trump rally that Clark County had “kept a poll open ‘til 10 o’clock at night so a certain group could vote.”

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/trump-campaign-files-lawsuit-in-nevada-over-early-voting/
 
Hillary comfortably ahead by the sounds of it. Fingers and toes crossed :))
 
Out of interest, why did you vote for a person who's foriegn policy involved bombing innocent people?

Would you vote for Osama Bin Laden if he was running for Presidency of America?

I had no choice. I'm libertarian but live in a red state, killary is the only one that can beat Trump. My vote is also symbolic, it will be part of the post-election data that would show my state is leaning to the left.
 
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#Trump2k16. It's going to be yuge.

Out of interest, why did you vote for a person who's foriegn policy involved bombing innocent people?

Would you vote for Osama Bin Laden if he was running for Presidency of America?

So we conveniently ignore that all the wars were started under George Bush and the Republicans are the biggest war mongerers on earth. Hillary was not the sole dictator of the US that whatever she says goes, each step was whetted by the President, army and CIA. Blaming Hillary solely is a huge sign of dishonesty. If Clinton voted for something all republicans voted for the same

And I am really surprised. We have a clear war mongerer who hates Muslims to the core but many people here will believe some GOP rumors. Strange. Trump has openly displayed his hatred for Muslims, his ignorance of the middle east and his quotes like - yes I will bomb a submarine if it enters our water.
 
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I had no choice. I'm libertarian but live in a red state, killary is the only one that can beat Trump. My vote is also symbolic, it will be part of the post-election data that would show my state is leaning to the left.

Thanks, so you voted for the lesser evil?

I would have voted for Jill Stien personally.
 
Why is New Hampshire considered a key state? It is only 4 electoral votes.

PS: Not an American
 
So we conveniently ignore that all the wars were started under George Bush and the Republicans are the biggest war mongerers on earth. Hillary was not the sole dictator of the US that whatever she says goes, each step was whetted by the President, army and CIA. Blaming Hillary solely is a huge sign of dishonesty. If Clinton voted for something all republicans voted for the same

And I am really surprised. We have a clear war mongerer who hates Muslims to the core but many people here will believe some GOP rumors. Strange. Trump has openly displayed his hatred for Muslims, his ignorance of the middle east and his quotes like - yes I will bomb a submarine if it enters our water.


Trump has not made a single decision which resulted in blowing up innocent people in multiple countries. USA is currently bombing people in 7 countries. If a Muslim nation was strong enough to do this to 7 different nations full of white people, you'd be jumping up and down calling the person(s) in charge of this foriegn policy as warmongers or much worse.
 
Thanks, so you voted for the lesser evil?

I would have voted for Jill Stien personally.

Yes so that we can all ban wi-fi and vaccines. That will show them

You keep repeating GOP buzzwords which is hilarious. Every single allegation was thrown out but people keep repeating lies about Hillary as thats what they heard their peers say
 
Trump has not made a single decision which resulted in blowing up innocent people in multiple countries. USA is currently bombing people in 7 countries. If a Muslim nation was strong enough to do this to 7 different nations full of white people, you'd be jumping up and down calling the person(s) in charge of this foriegn policy as warmongers or much worse.

1) Because he never got a chance. His words are clear enough, aren't they?

2) USA is a democracy and no single person can take a decision. I would be blaming the entire nation instead of focusing on one single person because I believe rumors and hate them. It takes the President, the senate, the house, the army, CIA and many others apart from SOS to make that decision
 
1) Because he never got a chance. His words are clear enough, aren't they?

2) USA is a democracy and no single person can take a decision. I would be blaming the entire nation instead of focusing on one single person because I believe rumors and hate them. It takes the President, the senate, the house, the army, CIA and many others apart from SOS to make that decision

1. His words haven't taken any lives, if anything his words have been pulling troops out of various regions. On the other hand Clinton has said she will implement a no-fly zone over Syria, do you even understand what this means.

2. A person who hold the position of high power esp a position which is responsible for making foriegn policy decision has to take the majority of the blame. Clinton and Obama are the two top dogs in responsible for foriegn policy. You sound like an apologist for war by the powerful which results in the deaths of many innocements.
 
Yes so that we can all ban wi-fi and vaccines. That will show them

You keep repeating GOP buzzwords which is hilarious. Every single allegation was thrown out but people keep repeating lies about Hillary as thats what they heard their peers say

This woman is the most anti-war candidate, thats enough for me if I was a Muslim in America.
 
For the record - Trump supported the Iraq and Libya wars from the outset. He only U-turned for political convenience.

He wants to tear up the Iran deal and thinks the US isn't supporting Netanyahu's government in Israel ENOUGH. He also wants to put 30,000 ground troops in Syria and INCREASE the bombing campaigns in the Mid East, not do less.

And his campaign has unleashed a tsunami of Islamophobic hate crimes and open bigotry towards Muslim Americans. Of course sitting in the board of the Apprentice he won't have any "Muslim blood on his hands" - but if you think Trump's plan is to hold hands and sing kumbaya with the Muslim World well you're not paying attention.

That's not to say Hillary Clinton has a stellar foreign policy record either, its a TERRIBLE pair of candidates but in a two party system you HAVE to make a choice and Trump's ignorance of complex domestic and foreign affairs, his incompetence and pandering to George Wallace-style demagogery and racism disqualifies him as a President.
 
The sad thing is as an ethnic Clinton can't be better than Barack
And as a Muslim trump can't be worse than bush or even bill
 
Multiple people shot near polling station; active shooter heavily armed

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Police were responding to an active shooting near a polling place in Azusa Tuesday afternoon, with officials saying at least four people were shot.

Los Angeles County Sheriff’s Capt. Jeff Scroggin said police were dealing with at least one suspect who was heavily armed.

Few details were released about the shooting, which occurred sometime after 2 p.m. in a residential neighborhood in the area of Fourth Street and Orange Avenue, said Officer Jerry Willison of the Azusa Police Department.

“This is a very volatile and critical situation,” he said.

The Los Angeles County Fire Department reported firefighters were treating four patients, but their injuries were not immediately known because the situation was “not contained.”

Willison declined to provide the location of the shooting for the safety of the officers and the victims, he said.

Azusa police urged residents to stay out of the area and asked all residents to shelter in place.

It was unclear whether any officers were injured in the shooting, Willison said.

The Los Angeles County Sheriff’s Department said they were assisting police.

Azusa Union School District issued a lockdown for Slauson Middle and Mountain View Elementary schools about 2:15 p.m., officials said. A nearby daycare center and preschool was also locked down.

http://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-me-ln-azusa-shooting-injuries-20161108-story.html
 
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Both are equally as bad as each other. The fact that these two are the best candidates that America could come up with just sums up America as a country. Trump wants to make America great again. America never was great to begin with and with either of these two clowns becoming president, America won't become great. I thank God for being in England and not America. My dad had a choice to come to either England or America when he was young. Thankfully he choose England.
 
Both are equally as bad as each other. The fact that these two are the best candidates that America could come up with just sums up America as a country. Trump wants to make America great again. America never was great to begin with and with either of these two clowns becoming president, America won't become great. I thank God for being in England and not America. My dad had a choice to come to either England or America when he was young. Thankfully he choose England.

It has to do with power. If England was the most powerful country, its foreign policy would likely be as bad as America.

I am not saying that America is great, but for the most powerful country in the world, it is better than most historically. Name one other greatest power in history which was better?
 
Just voted democratic all the way down the ballot. Can't wait for deplorables to become irrelevant.
 
Just voted democratic all the way down the ballot. Can't wait for deplorables to become irrelevant.

Only voted for Clinton b/c she is against Trump. If it was a Republican like Rubio then I would've voted red. Clinton is democrat, but she is a witch.
 
Only voted for Clinton b/c she is against Trump. If it was a Republican like Rubio then I would've voted red. Clinton is democrat, but she is a witch.

You do know that Rubio has been bought by the neo-con warmongering lobby that opposes Trump?
 
Clinton is a huge warmonger! Her roles in Libya and Syria have been brutal.
 
Only voted for Clinton b/c she is against Trump. If it was a Republican like Rubio then I would've voted red. Clinton is democrat, but she is a witch.

I would have voted for Jill Stein if Trump wasn't running. This was more of a vote against trump rather than a vote for Hillary.
 
CNN projections:

Clinton wins Illinois, New Jersey, Massachusetts, Maryland, Rhode Island, Delaware, District of Columbia.

Trump wins Oklahoma, Tennessee, Mississippi.

Clinton leads in the electoral votes 68-48.
 
Wow this is way closer than what I expected. They are talking about around 60 mil+ votes for Trump even if he doesn't win. That is just scary.
 
Florida neck and neck atm. How is this even possible.
 
People are having meltdowns on Social Media seeing the Florida polls :)) :))

How is this election even this close is beyond me ??? This should have been a walk over for Clinton given how the pre poll results showed earlier her majority.
 
Trump has to be winning comprehensively before Cali's votes come out b/c Clinton will get Cali.
 
Florida has many people that share Trump's sentiments.

My bad not just talking about Florida there but how Trump is managing to get all these votes. Thus far from the votes counted Trump is actually leading by a fair margin (around 15.1 mil vs 13.8 mil for Hillary). Unbelievable.
 
Lol is trump really winning this ?? :facepalm: I mean if he somehow manages to win, it would be the equivalent for us basically electing Zaid Hamid as our PM :)) :)) As far fetched as it sounds, the said would be hilarious as heck over the course of the subsequent four years :D
 
CNN projects:

Clinton wins New York.

Trump wins Kansas, Nebraska, Wyoming, North Dakota, South Dakota.

Clinton lead electoral votes 97-84.
 
If Trump wins will be a good time to go on a shopping spree so not all bad :yk
 
This is like watching a WC final. Now this team is ahead, but wait... the latest results put the other team ahead... and repeat :)
 
James Carville , a key Clinton aide says he isn't in a good mood right now.Still a lot more to count but Trump is looking very good ..
 
Lol Obama is looking at the blue states he carried easily now being tightly contested and face-palming :))
 
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">If HRC wins she will appoint her Filipino maid to head CIA. She already has access to all the secrets anyway. No need to train her.</p>— Gov. Mike Huckabee (@GovMikeHuckabee) <a href="https://twitter.com/GovMikeHuckabee/status/796171852645355522">November 9, 2016</a></blockquote>
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Can someone decipher this please? :srt
 
Watching the end of the world live

Trump has many flaws, but Clinton:

1) was SoS when CIA armed rebels leading to Syrian war and over half a million dead. Most responsible for bombing of Libya.
2) supported free trade agreements like NAFTA and TPP which has crushed the US working class.
3) with her her husband has received over $100 million from corporations over the last 10 years (is bought).
4) Law should be the same for everybody, Hillary was given a pass by the FBI for mishandling of classified information for which many have gone to jail.
 
The popular vote atm stands at Trump 20.2 mil vs Hillary 18.7 mil WOW!
 
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">If HRC wins she will appoint her Filipino maid to head CIA. She already has access to all the secrets anyway. No need to train her.</p>— Gov. Mike Huckabee (@GovMikeHuckabee) <a href="https://twitter.com/GovMikeHuckabee/status/796171852645355522">November 9, 2016</a></blockquote>
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Can someone decipher this please? :srt

There have been recent reports that her maid printed out classified emails for her.
 
NY Times said Clinton had an 84% chance of winning at the start.

Now it's down to 58%. Dropping fast. :kakmal
 
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