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UK Election results 2019: Boris Johnson returns to power with big majority [Post#486]

Per me? I challenge you to debate this. Please upgrade the quality of your posts if you want to keep me interested.

Are you claiming Corbyn supports terrorism? Please list your exact points in detail.

Jewish terrorists bombed the King David hotel many years before any so called ISIS or Al-Qaeda attacked any British citizen.

Who wants to debate you? Corbyn supporters and stats don’t go well. And to top it off, it’s you we are talking about :facepalm:
 
Tory member Rishi Sunik edged it tonight on the BBC debate though sheer attrition - i.e, the other 6 were just as hopeless as him but just performed worse!
 
Who wants to debate you? Corbyn supporters and stats don’t go well. And to top it off, it’s you we are talking about :facepalm:

lol. Because you don't have the ability.

I will help you to understand.

J Corbyn is not a racist or anti-Semite. If anyone in his party has made racist comments they have been dealt with. On the other hand Boris is a racist and those in his party have made many racist comments too. Not all have been punished, some reinstated.
 
Conservatives pledge £4.2bn for trains, buses and trams

The Conservatives have promised £4.2bn of new spending on local train, bus and tram services if they win the 12 December general election.

The party said the cash, which would become available from 2022, would help fund transport projects outside London.

Transport Secretary Grant Shapps said it would transform services "in towns and cities across the country".

But Labour called it "pathetic" and the Liberal Democrats said the Tories "simply don't get public transport".

There has been much criticism of transport services outside London and particularly in the North, where fares are often higher and investment lower than in the capital.

Figures from left-leaning think tank the IPPR published on Wednesday suggest transport spending in London is almost two-and-a-half times more per person than across the North of England.

But Mr Shapps said the Conservatives' Local Public Transport Fund would "kickstart the transformation of services so they match those in London".

This would ensure "more frequent and better services, more electrification, modern buses and trains and contactless smart ticketing".

The investment, which would be funded through the party's decision not to cut corporation tax, would go to eight mayoral or combined authority areas in England.

They include the North East, Tees Valley, West Yorkshire, Sheffield City Region, Greater Manchester, Liverpool City Region, West Midlands and West of England.

Local authorities would have to bid for the cash. They would also be given more control over things like setting fares, station upgrades and service patterns.

But they would also be expected to put money towards the schemes themselves. Examples of the sorts of projects that might get money include:

A new metro or light rail in West Yorkshire, including to Dewsbury, Pudsey and the Spen Valley
extensions to the Metrolink tram system in Greater Manchester, including to Stockport and Bolton
upgrades to the Tyne & Wear Metro and new heavy rail lines in the North East
extensions to the West Midlands Metro tram, including to Solihull and Birmingham Airport
The Conservatives also promised a "national bus strategy" and a long-term funding settlement for buses in the 2020 Spending Review.

They said the new fund would not cover pan-regional transport projects such as Northern Powerhouse Rail, which will be paid for from different budgets.

There are a couple of important caveats to this announcement. The first is that the funding will become available from 2022.

So although it would amount to a £4.2bn fund over five years, just £1.68bn of it would be made available for English city regions by the end of the next parliament.

The second is that £840m a year, shared among several city regions, won't go a very long way on transport infrastructure. However, the Conservatives are clear that the fund wouldn't cover all of the projects on their wish list.

And they expect local authorities to generate extra capital through initiatives such as commercial developments in or around train stations.

What's clear is that all of the parties want to be seen as champions of transport infrastructure outside of London.

Shadow transport secretary Andy McDonald said: "This announcement is a pathetic attempt to cover up the government's disastrous and incompetent failure to invest in public transport.

"Tory cuts have caused public transport fares to rise at twice the rate of wages and thousands of bus routes to be cut, worsening congestion on our roads as a result.

"It's time for real change. Labour will invest in transport across the country delivering the major and local infrastructure projects every region of our country deserves."

Labour's plans for local transport include slashing rail fares by a third across the country and making train travel free for under-16s.

The party also promises to reinstate 3,000 bus routes that have been cut and says it would deliver rail electrification and expansion across the country, including in Wales.

The Liberal Democrats have promised to invest more in buses, trams and railways, while encouraging walking and cycling to protect the environment.

They would also freeze peak-time and season ticket fares for five years.

Liberal Democrat shadow transport secretary Wera Hobhouse said: "The Conservatives have overseen a decline of more than 200 million bus journeys since 2015 and failed to invest in our railways across the UK, all while Johnson dreams up vanity projects like his island airport, a dud garden bridge and London buses that simply don't work.

"The Tories simply don't get the need for excellent public transport which gives people a real alternative to individual car use.

"At the same time, Boris Johnson's reckless Brexit plans would be disastrous for the economy, meaning less money to fund vital transport and infrastructure projects."

Source: https://www.bbc.com/news/election-2019-50651235.
 
There is no threat to the uk. You’re arguing like an edl member . lol

There is a terror threat to the UK, but MI5 / GCHQ / Special Branch supported by Five Eyes, Europol etc. have got very good at disrupting plots before anyone is hurt.
 
There is a terror threat to the UK, but MI5 / GCHQ / Special Branch supported by Five Eyes, Europol etc. have got very good at disrupting plots before anyone is hurt.

The threat is self created. MI5 chief warned going into Iraq will cause this but they never discuss the motives or reasons behind attacks. Foreign policy is to blame. If you bomb multiple countries and with your alliance are responsible for killing millions with your policies, chickens will always come home to roost. Yes its wrong and disgusting for anyone to attack civilians but the UK should take responsibility due to their immoral war crimes.
 
Unfortunately the world does not live with your delusions. You are free to live in your lala land and lose another election

sorry but delusion is only for RSS ****** and fascists like you who believe in the oppression of others..
 
Three MEPs are quitting the Brexit Party and urging people to back the Conservatives at the upcoming election.

Annunziata Rees-Mogg - sister of cabinet minister Jacob - as well as Lance Forman and Lucy Harris are due to announce their decision later today.

They will urge voters to support the Tories on polling day in exactly one week's time to "get Brexit done".

Ms Rees-Mogg, MEP for the East Midlands and an ex-Conservative candidate, said: "The Brexit Party is splitting the vote of Leavers in marginal and not-so-marginal constituencies.

"In Scotland, Wales and England the Brexit Party are permitting votes to go away from the Conservatives, providing us with a Remain coalition that will do anything not to honour the Brexit referendum."

Ms Harris confirmed the group would not be resigning as MEPs, so they could support the Brexit deal in the European Parliament.

Nigel Farage, leader of the Brexit Party, said he was "disappointed" at the news.

He claimed that after he stood down candidates in all Tory-held seats and called on Boris Johnson to reciprocate in other areas, the MEPs' decision would only split the Leave vote in Labour heartlands.

"We are disappointed that four of our MEPs don't seem to understand that we both saved the Conservative party from large scale losses to the Liberal Democrats in the South and South West of England," Mr Farage said.

"We are also hammering the Labour Leave vote in its traditional heartlands making it much easier for the Conservatives to win many of those seats.

"The only vote on the Leave side that is currently being split is in areas such as Barnsley, the South Wales valleys, Doncaster and Hartlepool where there is a risk that the Tories will split our vote."

A party spokesman added: "We also note that one of the MEPs is the sister of a cabinet minister, another has a partner who works in the office of the same cabinet minister, and yet another is a personal friend of both Boris Johnson and Michael Gove."

Earlier on Thursday it was announced four Brexit MEPs had quit. It was later clarified that MEP John Longworth was kicked out of the party for "repeatedly undermining" their election strategy.

He had previously called on them to stand down more candidates and only pursue "20 or 30" constituencies.

https://news.sky.com/story/general-...arty-meps-quit-to-back-conservatives-11878634
 
The threat is self created. MI5 chief warned going into Iraq will cause this but they never discuss the motives or reasons behind attacks. Foreign policy is to blame. If you bomb multiple countries and with your alliance are responsible for killing millions with your policies, chickens will always come home to roost. Yes its wrong and disgusting for anyone to attack civilians but the UK should take responsibility due to their immoral war crimes.

So you accept that there is a threat.
 
Israel's foreign minister said on Thursday that he hopes Jeremy Corbyn loses next week's British election, citing allegations of anti-Semitism buffeting the Labour Party leader.

With Israel in political disarray of its own after two inconclusive elections, the British contest has elicited few comments from Israeli leaders despite deep concern among British Jews over Corbyn and media reports that some might opt to emigrate if he wins.

Last week, Foreign Minister Israel Katz said the Israeli government had not discussed the prospect of Corbyn's election or the future of intelligence and security ties with Britain should the veteran pro-Palestinian campaigner become its leader.

But pressed on the issue in an Israeli Army Radio interview on Thursday, Katz was more forthcoming as the December 12 ballot approaches.

"I won't meddle in internal elections but I personally hope that he won't be elected, with this whole wave of anti-Semitism [...] I hope the other side wins," he said.

Labour Party spokesmen did not immediately respond to a request for comment.

Katz played down the prospect that security relations with Britain, which include intelligence sharing over Islamist militant activity, would necessarily be degraded should Corbyn take office.

"Leaders don't harm their country's own interests so fast. But we will, of course, discuss these things if they occur," Katz said.

Corbyn has rejected allegations of anti-Semitism — last week Britain's chief rabbi accused him of failing to stem the "poison" gripping Labour — while holding to policies that rile Israel.

Last year, Corbyn said he would recognise a Palestinian state if elected. In a speech on Sunday, he pledged increased oversight of British arms exports to Israel in the name of not fuelling its conflict with the Palestinians.

On Tuesday, Corbyn made a direct apology for not doing enough to tackle anti-Semitism in his party.

"Obviously I'm very sorry for everything that has happened," he said. "But I want to make this clear, I am dealing with it, I have dealt with it."

Polls have shown Labour trailing Prime Minister Boris Johnson's Conservative Party. And for now, Israel does not appear to be bracing for an influx of British Jewish immigrants.

Asked about this possibility, its Immigration Ministry said in a brief statement only that it "is prepared to take in immigrants from all over the world and welcomes immigration in any political situation".

The quasi-governmental Jewish Agency for Israel, which handles immigration requests abroad, said 507 British Jews moved to Israel between January and October, an 8 per cent rise compared with the same period in 2018.

Yigal Palmor, the agency's head of international relations, played down any sense that Corbyn's candidacy was a major spur for British Jews to leave.

"We have no solid findings to show an increase in British immigration (due to the elections). What we have are more general indications — more discussions of the option," he said.

Source: https://www.dawn.com/news/1520607/i...r-says-he-hopes-corbyn-loses-british-election.
 
Of course there is a threat. Do you accept the reasons behind this threat as warned by the MI5 chief or is she stupid?

Just that in your post of 29/11 you said there is no terror threat to the UK. Now you say there is.
 
Just that in your post of 29/11 you said there is no terror threat to the UK. Now you say there is.

Threat could mean anything. There is not threat to the destruction of the UK as Iraq was destroyed by state terrorism. There is no threat to multiple mass bombings across the country as we see in Syria. Of course this does not mean NO threat. Come on Robert, you are losing the plot these days :rameez

Now can you answer did the UK not expect any backlash after it destroyed Iraq in one of the worst crimes in history?
 
Final debate tonight on BBC1 at 8.30.

Corbyn needs to land some convincing blows.
 
This is much better than the ITV debate which was just an exercise in public bear baiting with a rowdy audience.

Nick Robinson been very fair with questioning so far.
 
JC is being too nice. should have pointed out Boris made up bus stickers with lies over Brexit so why trust the same man now?
 
The awkward truth is the last time we had a shortened work week was....under a Conservative Government.

Infact we had a 3 Day Week under Ted Heath for a time.

JC is being too nice. should have pointed out Boris made up bus stickers with lies over Brexit so why trust the same man now?

He should scream from the rooftops that the reason why Brexit hasn't been done was because Boris and his buddies kept voting against May's deal !
 
This is much better from Corbyn.

He's emphasising that Labour's plans would still lead to public spending as a percentage of GDP being smaller than Western European economies such as France and Germany.
 
Is Dick Cheney vetting the questions ?

"Would you put public safety ahead of human rights ?"

Proposterously framed question.
 
Boris Johnson and Jeremy Corbyn clashed over Brexit in the final head-to-head debate before the 12 December election.

During the live debate, Mr Corbyn said Labour would bring Brexit "to an end" by negotiating a new deal and putting it back to the public in a referendum, alongside a Remain option.

The PM said he had "a wonderful deal", and would use it to take the UK out of the EU on 31 January.

Other topics covered included the NHS, security and the economy.

Early on in the debate - hosted by Today presenter Nick Robinson - the Labour leader said he would negotiate a new withdrawal agreement with the EU within three months before putting it to a final say referendum - alongside Remain - within six months.

Mr Johnson countered by saying it was unclear what that deal would look like, adding he already had a withdrawal agreement in place, and would use it to leave the EU next month if he won a working majority in Parliament.

But Nick Robinson challenged Mr Johnson by pointing out that while he had a withdrawal deal in place, he was yet to negotiate a trade deal with the EU, and so could not rule out a no-deal exit in January 2021.

Mr Johnson responded by saying there was "ample time" to get a trade deal.

Kuenssberg: What has changed during campaign?
Live: Latest updates from the debate
Like Brexit, the NHS has featured heavily in the campaign so far - and Friday night was no different.

Faith, a student nurse in the audience, asked how each leader would deal with a shortage of NHS nurses.

The Conservative leader said a government run by him would "encourage nurses overseas to come" to the UK "by shortening the time for their visa applications" and by reintroducing bursaries for training.

Mr Corbyn described the NHS as at "breaking point", adding that, under a Labour government, "£40bn in total would go into the NHS in order to fund it properly".

The Labour leader also repeated one of his main attack lines of the campaign - that a Tory government would allow the NHS to form part of a future trade deal with the US.

However, Mr Johnson described that claim as "Bermuda Triangle stuff".

Responding to the performances of Mr Corbyn and Mr Johnson, SNP leader Nicola Sturgeon tweeted: "That was utterly woeful. Two uninspiring men, both of them unsuited to be PM."

Meanwhile, Amelia Womack, of the Green Party, told the BBC: "I find it frustrating, as a younger woman, that we weren't discussing things that are relevant to my generation - whether that's house prices, rental prices, freedom of movement across Europe, or even zero-hour contracts."

And Liberal Democrat Brexit spokesman Tom Brake added: "Tonight's debate was British politics at its worst. Two leaders offering nothing new, nothing different and neither being honest about the pain Brexit will cause our communities."

Turning to security - an issue that has risen to prominence since the London Bridge attack on 29 November - the candidates were asked by an audience member if they would prioritise the safety of citizens over human rights.

Mr Corbyn said the choice was "not an either/or" and added the UK could not have security "on the cheap".

When it came to his turn, Mr Johnson referred to the London Bridge attack, and said it was "extraordinary and wrong" that the attacker was given automatic early release from prison after an earlier terrorism conviction.

Punches landed, but no knock-out blow

In a campaign where both parties have sought to repeatedly talk about their key themes, tonight did not diverge radically from the script.

Boris Johnson came under pressure on the issue of trust - and whether his Brexit plan would mean checks between Great Britain and Northern Ireland.

Jeremy Corbyn was once again pressed on his failure to pick a side on Brexit - and questioned on why Europe would offer Labour a new deal when so many frontbenchers back Remain.

Both men landed punches. But none of them were critical.

And given that polls suggest the Conservatives are ahead in the polls - that might suit Boris Johnson more than Jeremy Corbyn.

Mr Johnson and Mr Corbyn faced from about 100 members of the public in Maidstone, Kent.

The audience was selected to include equal numbers of Conservative and Labour supporters, in addition to a smaller number of supporters of other parties and undecided voters.

There were slightly more Leave voters than Remain in the audience, reflecting the result of the 2016 referendum - apart from those audience members who were too young to vote at the time.

The Prime Ministerial Debate followed a head-to-head encounter on ITV earlier in the campaign when the two clashed on Europe, leadership and the future of Scotland.

What are Johnson and Corbyn promising you?
Here's a concise guide to where the parties stand on key issues like Brexit, education and the NHS.

https://www.bbc.com/news/election-2019-50681321
 
Threat could mean anything. There is not threat to the destruction of the UK as Iraq was destroyed by state terrorism. There is no threat to multiple mass bombings across the country as we see in Syria. Of course this does not mean NO threat. Come on Robert, you are losing the plot these days :rameez

Now can you answer did the UK not expect any backlash after it destroyed Iraq in one of the worst crimes in history?

Iraq would have been devastated without UK help. Probably devastated worse, as the restrained behaviour of UK troops set US commanders an example. But UK was complicit and of course this led to an enhanced terror threat. Violence begats violence (Matthew 26:52).

Do you recall the massive IRA explosions in the City of London in the early nineties? A jihadist attack on that scale or 7/7 scale could still happen, but our security services are disrupting the plots.
 
Is Dick Cheney vetting the questions ?

"Would you put public safety ahead of human rights ?"

Proposterously framed question.

It’s a very important question which I struggle with. How far do we go to curtail individual freedom to protect the whole?
 
Have not decided yet but either Labour or Lib Dems for me [MENTION=7774]Robert[/MENTION] [MENTION=43583]KingKhanWC[/MENTION] even if I say Like Lib Dems manifesto as an example (they have some nice plans especially for education) a vote for them will only add to a Tory lead
 
Corbyn is too polite and weak to go for the jugular]

This points towards one of the reasons why I don’t think Corbyn will be voted in as Prime Minister.

YouGov and Sky did a flash poll after the debate, and people considered Corbyn ahead in so many respects: more trustworthy, more in touch with ordinary people, more likeable, and more honest. These are all results that are well earned. Corbyn is not perfect and he is no socialist messiah - he has a lot to improve upon if he gets the top job - but unlike Johnson he is not a Delboy-type porky-spinning blagger and does seem essentially “decent”.

Unfortunately for Jeremy though, as the public saw it, Boris Johnson finished way ahead in the two arguably most important categories: strongest leader, and most prime ministerial image.

People see Corbyn as more of a good middle-manager than an international statesman, I think.

Johnson is undoubtedly a bit of an embarrassment in many respects, but I will say in his favour that he has balls of steel and shrugs off criticism very easily - he just plows on and on with his agenda and (for a socially liberal Remainer) is very convincing in this temporary theatrical role he is playing as the strident hard-Brexiteer.
 
You got to laugh at those who blame Labour for squandering money. No one was complaining about Labour between 1997 and 2007 when the UK economy was booming. No one cared about Labour's spending policy then as people ended up with cash in their pocket. So much so, the public voted for Labour THRICE, and this despite Tony Blair embarking on an illegal war vs. Iraq in 2003!
 
You got to laugh at those who blame Labour for squandering money. No one was complaining about Labour between 1997 and 2007 when the UK economy was booming. No one cared about Labour's spending policy then as people ended up with cash in their pocket. So much so, the public voted for Labour THRICE, and this despite Tony Blair embarking on an illegal war vs. Iraq in 2003!

And those boom years were built on the flimsy sand that was the house price bubble, reckless lending and the trading of dubious mortgage products amongst Western banks that went totally unregulated (it's now forgotten pre-crash the Tories were complaining that New Labour were regulating excessively !) It was only a matter of time before the whole thing came crashing down.

Corbyn is being blamed for "losing the working class" as the polls look gloomy for Labour. However if the polls are right, and that's a big if given recent elections, then one must look at the longer term picture instead of pinning it all on a convenient bogeyman. Why are the working class supposedly moving away from Labour ? If our media attention span wasn't so short they'd explain it properly as follows.

Deindustrialisation under Thatcher and the catastrophic social effects that had on the North, Midlands, Scotland and Wales led to the creation of an underclass. These communities suffer from lower life expectancy, poorer educational outcomes, welfare dependency, generational unemployment and chronic underinvestment from central government. New Labour came to power in 1997 with a massive majority and a mandate to address this from these very working class constituencies. But what did we get ?

A Faustian Pact between New Labour and the City of London. Brown basically said we'll turn a blind eye to the gamblers and speculators, and in return we'll use the proceeds from tax to fund overseas wars, working tax credits (a state subsidy for crap wages) and some public sector investment.

More manufacturing jobs were lost and replaced by low wage or unstable service jobs, our schools and NHS became subject to "market reforms" and these working class communities continued to lag behind while the affluent metropolitan class that New Labour was a product of enjoyed the fruits of the new economy. However the backlash came in the form of Brexit, while the Tories used their mandate to enact austerity attributed to Labour overspending than the reckless banking profiteers who fund their Party.

That's why Labour lost millions of working class voters between 1997-2010, and find themselves in opposition for 10 years. I'm not saying the successors to New Labour haven't made mistakes, they have, but any analysis of Labour's decline without this historical context is just noise.
 
The main political party leaders are continuing to push their election pledges to voters, as the campaign enters its final few days.

Conservative leader Boris Johnson says in an open letter that Thursday's poll is "historic" and a choice to "move forwards" after Brexit.

Labour leader Jeremy Corbyn said it was a "chance to vote for hope" and he had "the most ambitious plan to transform our country in decades".

The UK goes to the polls on Thursday.

Ahead of this, the candidates are travelling around the country in a bid to spread their election messages.

Among the manifesto pledges being highlighted by the main UK parties on Sunday are:

A "regional rebalancing" programme from the Lib Dems, which would see £50bn invested in infrastructure outside of London
Meanwhile, SNP leader Nicola Sturgeon is warning that "the very future of Scotland" is at stake in the election.

She is appealing to voters to back her party "to escape Brexit, protect the NHS, and to put Scotland's future in Scotland's hands".

And Liberal Democrat leader Jo Swinson told Sky News her party was looking to make "real progress" by increasing its number of MPs on Thursday.

She added: "We will be absolutely working to stop Brexit, doing so in a co-operative way with others who share our values and share that goal."

In his letter to voters published in the Mail on Sunday, Mr Johnson says the election will be one that "shapes future decades", urging voters to create a "working Conservative majority government that will get Brexit done, end the uncertainty and allow Britain to move on".

'High stakes'
The Conservatives have released some details about how their points-based immigration system would work.

Writing in the Sunday Express, Home Secretary Priti Patel, said it would start in January 2021 and aimed to "attract the best talent that our country and economy needs, while reducing overall numbers".

There would be fast-track entry to the UK for entrepreneurs and some people working for the NHS, and sector-specific schemes for low or unskilled workers to meet labour market shortages.

Speaking to Sky News, Mr Johnson declined to say if he would resign if he failed to win a majority in the House of Commons.

He said: "What I'm going to do is concentrate on the five days before us, because that is what I think the people of this country would expect."

In the same interview, the prime minister insisted there would not be any checks for goods travelling from Northern Ireland to Great Britain under his Brexit deal.

A leaked Treasury analysis document was "wrong" to suggest this would be the case, he said.

And in a short speech at the Conservative Party's headquarters, Mr Johnson warned his supporters that the "horses can still change places" in the final week of the campaign, saying: "This is a close-fought election."

Meanwhile, Labour is restating its plan to help alleviate pressure in social care through the introduction of free personal care for older people.

The party says its new funding will help working-age adults and pensioners with care costs, which will also be capped under the proposals.

According to the King's Fund, providing free personal care would require an additional £6bn on top of planned spending by 2020-21, taking the social care budget to roughly £26bn.

Labour is also talking about its own research on the issue, which it says shows 9,290 people have approached their local authority since April 2017 for help with care costs after draining their savings.

At a rally at Bangor University in north Wales, Mr Corbyn attacked "cruel" Universal Credit - which his party has said it would scrap.

He also repeated his pledge to compensate so-called Waspi women, who lost out on years of state pension payments when the retirement age was raised under the coalition government.

'Real change'
Shadow chancellor John McDonnell BBC One's Andrew Marr Show that Labour would "transform our economy" if it won a parliamentary majority at the election.

He added: "I want to make sure our economy works for everybody... It means transforming capitalism into a new form."

Mr Johnson says he wants to focus on people's priorities, including urgent investment in the NHS and action on the cost of living.

Speaking ahead of the last stretch on the campaign trail, Mr Corbyn said Mr Johnson "cannot be trusted to deliver Brexit, or anything else".

He said Labour would "rescue" the NHS and "get Brexit sorted".

Elsewhere, the Lib Dems said their plans would "address the historic investment disparities between our nations and regions".

Its plans would boost railway electrification, increase the availability of charging points for electric vehicles and improve broadband access, the party added.

Liberal Democrat deputy leader Ed Davey said: "Neither Labour or the Tories can square their spending promises today with the cost of Brexit. They are writing promises on cheques that will bounce.

"Every vote for the Liberal Democrats is a vote to stop Brexit so we can invest billions across the UK, helping to tackle ingrained inequality."

On the campaign trail in Sheffield, Liberal Democrat leader Ms Swinson also encouraged her supporters to make a final push for votes, telling them: "When you wake up and deliver those 'good mornings' when there's frost on the ground, I want you to know that everything that you do will make that difference."
https://www.bbc.com/news/election-2019-50701824
 
And those boom years were built on the flimsy sand that was the house price bubble, reckless lending and the trading of dubious mortgage products amongst Western banks that went totally unregulated (it's now forgotten pre-crash the Tories were complaining that New Labour were regulating excessively !) It was only a matter of time before the whole thing came crashing down.

Corbyn is being blamed for "losing the working class" as the polls look gloomy for Labour. However if the polls are right, and that's a big if given recent elections, then one must look at the longer term picture instead of pinning it all on a convenient bogeyman. Why are the working class supposedly moving away from Labour ? If our media attention span wasn't so short they'd explain it properly as follows.

Deindustrialisation under Thatcher and the catastrophic social effects that had on the North, Midlands, Scotland and Wales led to the creation of an underclass. These communities suffer from lower life expectancy, poorer educational outcomes, welfare dependency, generational unemployment and chronic underinvestment from central government. New Labour came to power in 1997 with a massive majority and a mandate to address this from these very working class constituencies. But what did we get ?

A Faustian Pact between New Labour and the City of London. Brown basically said we'll turn a blind eye to the gamblers and speculators, and in return we'll use the proceeds from tax to fund overseas wars, working tax credits (a state subsidy for crap wages) and some public sector investment.

More manufacturing jobs were lost and replaced by low wage or unstable service jobs, our schools and NHS became subject to "market reforms" and these working class communities continued to lag behind while the affluent metropolitan class that New Labour was a product of enjoyed the fruits of the new economy. However the backlash came in the form of Brexit, while the Tories used their mandate to enact austerity attributed to Labour overspending than the reckless banking profiteers who fund their Party.

That's why Labour lost millions of working class voters between 1997-2010, and find themselves in opposition for 10 years. I'm not saying the successors to New Labour haven't made mistakes, they have, but any analysis of Labour's decline without this historical context is just noise.

I mentioned earlier in this thread that Reaganomics is to blame, not a particular political party in the UK. When Thatcher decided to sign up to the American interpretation of captialism, it signalled the beginning of the end of the UK stability; shifting focus from manufacturing to services, from credit to a debt based consumer system. The system is broken.

Brown was not the first to turn a blind eye to the gamblers and speculators, it was Clinton who repealed the Glass-Steagall act and the UK, being a lapdog of the USA, followed suit.

It doesn't matter which party is in power, the only difference is how they spend which affects the rate of increase of the national debt. The system functions on debt. The Tories will decrease the rate of national debt, while Labour will increase the rate of national debt, in the end both parties are simply delaying the inevitable.

The national is drowning in debt day by day and one has to be delusional to think we can pay this debt off. So there are 2 options in my view, either we accept the national debt will never be paid off thus keep piling on the debt, or be serious about paying off the national debt by raising interest rates, taxes, and levies on FX transactions in the city of London.

In either case it is time the public stop blaming the political parties for economic spending.
 
Have not decided yet but either Labour or Lib Dems for me [MENTION=7774]Robert[/MENTION] [MENTION=43583]KingKhanWC[/MENTION] even if I say Like Lib Dems manifesto as an example (they have some nice plans especially for education) a vote for them will only add to a Tory lead

I vote based on a person character. Boris is a liar, racist and a sell out. Jo Swinson is also a liar and fake. Both of these can be prove easily. Most politicians are liars but we have Corbyn, a man of high moral integritiy. He makes a stand for justice and fairness. Easy choice for me JC every day of the week!
 
Labour's Jonathan Ashworth has apologised to his party after criticising Jeremy Corbyn in a secret recording by his Tory activist friend.

In a recording leaked to Tory-supporting website Guido Fawkes, Mr Ashworth is heard saying he did not believe Labour would win the election.

Mr Ashworth has insisted he was "joshing around" in the conversation.

Mr Corbyn said it was "not the sort of thing I would do", but claimed the story was "irrelevant".

The Labour leader added that Mr Ashworth had said it "was all about reverse psychology banter - as in football".

He suggested that shadow health secretary has "odd sense of humour" but added that he "makes jokes the whole time".

He also accused the Guido Fawkes website of "just trying to deflect away from the Tories' mess of the National Health Service" and insisted that the shadow health secretary had his "full support".

The conversation appears to have been recorded over a week ago and Mr Ashworth said: "The reason this has come out today is because the Tories know the crisis in the NHS is ruining their campaign and we've got babies - babies - on the front page of the Daily Mirror unable to get a bed."

Mr Ashworth named the friend he was speaking to as former local Conservative Association chairman, Greig Baker, and he did not deny that he made the remarks.

Meanwhile, in an interview with BBC Breakfast, Mr Corbyn dismissed claims that he was a "problem on the doorstep" for Labour activists, saying it was "not a presidential election".

Latest on campaigning as election day nears
In the recording, Mr Ashworth appears to refer to an unsuccessful plot to oust Mr Corbyn, instigated by some of his MPs in the aftermath of the EU referendum.

"People like me were internally saying 'this isn't the right moment' but I got kind of ignored," Mr Ashworth is recorded as saying.

On Labour's election chances, Mr Ashworth is heard saying: "I've been going round these national places, it's dire for Labour… it's dire.

"I'm helping colleagues, banging on about the NHS for them but it's awful for them, and it's the combination of Corbyn and Brexit… outside of the city seats…it's abysmal out there…they can't stand Corbyn and they think Labour's blocked Brexit."

On the recording, Mr Ashworth is asked: If Mr Corbyn "got in would he be as bad as I suspect?"

"I don't know, on the security stuff, I worked in No 10, I think the machine will pretty quickly move to safeguard security, I mean the civil service machine. But it's not going to happen. I cannot see it happening."

'Joshing'
Speaking to the Victoria Derbyshire programme, Mr Ashworth said: "Of course it makes me look like a right plonker, but it's not what I mean when I'm winding up a friend, trying to sort of, pull his leg a bit."

He said he was "having a bit of banter" with his friend "because he was saying 'oh, the Tories are going to lose' and I was, like saying, 'no you're going to be fine', joshing as old friends do.

"And he's only gone and leaked it to a website - selectively leaked it - and I thought he was a friend, Greig Baker, but obviously he's not."

When asked if he believed, as the recording suggested, that Mr Corbyn was a threat to the UK's national security, Mr Ashworth replied: "Of course I don't."

Speaking to BBC Politics Live, he said: "I look like an idiot as a result of doing it... I apologise to Labour Party members."

Conservative Party leader Boris Johnson said Mr Ashworth was "saying what hundreds of Labour candidates and millions of voters are thinking", adding that Mr Corbyn was "unfit to be PM because he is blocking Brexit".

Mr Ashworth's remarks were "an honest and truly devastating assessment" of Mr Corbyn's leadership "by one of his most trusted election lieutenants", Conservative Party chairman James Cleverly said.

It's striking that in the dying embers of this campaign - which has been so carefully scripted and choreographed by the parties - suddenly events have burst into it and changed the dynamic.

Yesterday it was that photo of four-year-old Jack lying on a hospital floor. Today it's that recording of Jonathan Ashworth - by someone who was meant to be his friend.

They clearly knew his views of Jeremy Corbyn and basically it amounts to what looks like a sting - because the individual he was talking to is a Conservative activist.

Nevertheless, the remarks are out there and they are damning.

Here you have the man who is meant to be fronting Labour's attack on the NHS basically saying they haven't a hope of winning, that voters believe they blocked Brexit and they don't like Jeremy Corbyn.

And, perhaps most damning of all, seeming to suggest that Mr Corbyn is a risk to national security.

So this is absolutely going to dominate the headlines today.

Earlier, in an interview with BBC Breakfast, Mr Corbyn was challenged on his leadership credentials amid reports that some candidates are finding voters do not want to support him personally.

"It's not a presidential election," he said.

"It is a Parliamentary election in which we elect members of Parliament. I'm the leader of the Labour Party and I'm very proud to have that position."

When asked about some candidates not including his name in their leaflets, he said he was "proud" of his party's manifesto and "my job is to deliver it".

Media captionCorbyn denies his personal ratings are 'hindering' his party
On the case of a sick four-year-old boy who was photographed on the floor of Leeds General Infirmary, Mr Corbyn said it was an example of what was happening in the NHS.

"It is obviously awful for that little boy and the family, the way they were treated," he said.

"But it does say something about our NHS when this happened, and then all research shows there's a very large number of hospitals where patients are at risk because of staff shortages, because of a lack of equipment, because of poor maintenance of hospital buildings."

He insisted his spending plans "are completely credible" and will "give sufficient resources to the NHS".

'Honest broker'
In the interview, Mr Corbyn was also challenged on his party's Brexit policy and his own position.

Labour wants to negotiate a new deal with the EU and then put it to the public as a "credible Leave option" alongside the option of Remain in another referendum - which the Labour leader would remain neutral in.

"I will be the honest broker," Mr Corbyn said.

The Conservatives argue that Labour would bring further "dither and delay" to Brexit.

https://www.bbc.com/news/election-2019-50726592
 
I vote based on a person character. Boris is a liar, racist and a sell out. Jo Swinson is also a liar and fake. Both of these can be prove easily. Most politicians are liars but we have Corbyn, a man of high moral integritiy. He makes a stand for justice and fairness. Easy choice for me JC every day of the week!

Evidence for Swinson lying and faking?

Go for competence [MENTION=46929]shaz619[/MENTION]. Character is only the start. According to [MENTION=43583]KingKhanWC[/MENTION]'s criterion, I could run Liverpool FC.

Swinson was a cabinet minister and has had a real job outside politics. Corbyn is basically a 70-year-old student union politican. He has no Cabinet experience, no Select Committee chair experience, no degree, no leadership skills or decision making ability - look at how long it took him to lance the antisemitism boil - and yet [MENTION=43583]KingKhanWC[/MENTION] wants to put him in charge of nukes! And put Dianne Abbott in charge of the Police, Prison Service and MI6? Do me a carrot!!!! :)))
 
I mentioned earlier in this thread that Reaganomics is to blame, not a particular political party in the UK. When Thatcher decided to sign up to the American interpretation of captialism, it signalled the beginning of the end of the UK stability; shifting focus from manufacturing to services, from credit to a debt based consumer system. The system is broken.

Brown was not the first to turn a blind eye to the gamblers and speculators, it was Clinton who repealed the Glass-Steagall act and the UK, being a lapdog of the USA, followed suit.

It doesn't matter which party is in power, the only difference is how they spend which affects the rate of increase of the national debt. The system functions on debt. The Tories will decrease the rate of national debt, while Labour will increase the rate of national debt, in the end both parties are simply delaying the inevitable.

The national is drowning in debt day by day and one has to be delusional to think we can pay this debt off. So there are 2 options in my view, either we accept the national debt will never be paid off thus keep piling on the debt, or be serious about paying off the national debt by raising interest rates, taxes, and levies on FX transactions in the city of London.


In either case it is time the public stop blaming the political parties for economic spending.

It's a gloomy picture and I cannot see any way out of it. We got out of worse debt between 1945-1970 due to economic surplus and 'sixties manufacturing boom. But we have no manufacturing base to speak of now as we stopped subsidising heavy industry. So as [MENTION=149166]Technics 1210[/MENTION] says we will have to tax the City. Unfortunately a chunk of it has already jumped ship due to Brexit and more of it will follow.
 
This points towards one of the reasons why I don’t think Corbyn will be voted in as Prime Minister.

YouGov and Sky did a flash poll after the debate, and people considered Corbyn ahead in so many respects: more trustworthy, more in touch with ordinary people, more likeable, and more honest. These are all results that are well earned. Corbyn is not perfect and he is no socialist messiah - he has a lot to improve upon if he gets the top job - but unlike Johnson he is not a Delboy-type porky-spinning blagger and does seem essentially “decent”.

Unfortunately for Jeremy though, as the public saw it, Boris Johnson finished way ahead in the two arguably most important categories: strongest leader, and most prime ministerial image.

People see Corbyn as more of a good middle-manager than an international statesman, I think.


Johnson is undoubtedly a bit of an embarrassment in many respects, but I will say in his favour that he has balls of steel and shrugs off criticism very easily - he just plows on and on with his agenda and (for a socially liberal Remainer) is very convincing in this temporary theatrical role he is playing as the strident hard-Brexiteer.

He hasn't got the skills to be a middle manager. He's a figurehead of a movement, nothing more. McDonnell is the real leader. That's no so bad because at least he is competent. He had a real job as CFO to the Mayor of London.
 
Evidence for Swinson lying and faking?

Go for competence [MENTION=46929]shaz619[/MENTION]. Character is only the start. According to [MENTION=43583]KingKhanWC[/MENTION]'s criterion, I could run Liverpool FC.

Swinson was a cabinet minister and has had a real job outside politics. Corbyn is basically a 70-year-old student union politican. He has no Cabinet experience, no Select Committee chair experience, no degree, no leadership skills or decision making ability - look at how long it took him to lance the antisemitism boil - and yet [MENTION=43583]KingKhanWC[/MENTION] wants to put him in charge of nukes! And put Dianne Abbott in charge of the Police, Prison Service and MI6? Do me a carrot!!!! :)))

A daft post. A PM has a highly trained skilled team of experts who work for him/her. Corbyn is the only person standing who has integrity and is a man of peace.

But [MENTION=7774]Robert[/MENTION] you'd prefer Boris so he can help the Israelis and Yanks bomb more innocent people to their deaths?

A lone person kills a few people and like you many are in uproar but the same people support mass destruction of a nation. No wonder you're against Corbyn.
 
The polls have narrowed somewhat. Will the Tories win with a small majority or will we get a hung parliament? Less than 48 hours to find out.
 
'I won't sleep for over 24 hours on election night'


On the day of the election, Jordan Rochester will start work at 06:30 GMT and won't leave his desk until 09:00 on Friday - more than 24 hours later.

Mr Rochester is a foreign exchange currency strategist at Nomura. His job is to make sure his clients - big corporations, fund managers and private banks - make money no matter which way the pound swings when the election polls come in.

He'll be watching exit polls closely and the results as they come in to give him an idea of what the result will be.

The 29-year-old has a good track record.

The night before the outcome of the European referendum vote he advised colleagues and clients to stay at their desks, because even though the exit polls showed Remain winning by 52:48 he believed that the gap was not wide enough statistically for him to be certain that Remain would win.

Mr Rochester was also one of the first in the City to predict Leave had won during the early hours of 24 June.

The fact he was right meant he has since been dubbed "Mr Brexit" by his colleagues and also earned the respect of his clients.

How does he do it? The simple answer - he says - is lots of energy drinks and caffeine.

But on a daily basis, he analyses charts, economic data and global economic trends. He also scours the papers looking closely at political news. He says his job is to strip out the signal from all the noise.

One thing that helps him do this is Twitter. He is not a prolific tweeter and has few followers as a result. But he follows a small number of other strategists, central bankers and political journalists and is constantly refreshing his feed.

"It used to be quite simple, you'd look at your Bloomberg and there'd be a headline up there saying Mark Carney said this or UK data says that.

"Now you refresh Twitter and it turns out there's been some poll you didn't expect to see. There's a lot more if it because of the politics."

Mr Rochester arrives every day at around 06:30 and just 40 minutes later he is on the PA system giving his guidance to traders. This is heard on not just the London trading floors, but also in Frankfurt, Paris, Milan, Madrid, New York, Tokyo, Hong Kong and Singapore.

Then he's at his desk analysing all the European economic data that's released up until 09:30. It is only after all this data is out that he can begin looking ahead to consider what will happen to sterling and the other nine major currencies he covers in the medium and long term.

His day normally ends 12 hours after he comes into the office.

"On a very, very quiet day you might just get out after 5pm, but typically you'll be here until 6.30 or 7pm," he says.

Conference calls
He's not alone in staying up through the night in the City.

Jeremy Stretch is head of currency strategy at a Canadian bank in the City - CIBC World Markets. He's expecting an even longer day this election, and is hoping to grab a nap on Thursday afternoon.

"By 6am (on Friday) it will be a normal day although I will hope to leave early in the afternoon. But if there is another hung parliament, I suspect I may have a conference call in the afternoon with North American clients."

Events serious enough to require extra staffing out of normal trading hours are relatively rare in currency trading, and are normally linked to major, infrequent, events.

But since the Brexit referendum, there have been five or six such events.

Source: https://www.bbc.com/news/business-50725581.
 
A daft post. A PM has a highly trained skilled team of experts who work for him/her. Corbyn is the only person standing who has integrity and is a man of peace.

But [MENTION=7774]Robert[/MENTION] you'd prefer Boris so he can help the Israelis and Yanks bomb more innocent people to their deaths?

A lone person kills a few people and like you many are in uproar but the same people support mass destruction of a nation. No wonder you're against Corbyn.

Abbott is highly trained and skilled expert. Pull the other one mate. There is a reason she has been invisible in this campaign.

The one skilled person in the Shadow Cabinet is Starmer and his CLP tried to deselect him! Labour is a personality cult now, not a party.

No, I would not prefer Johnson. The choice must be the worst in history - the racist charlatan or the incompetent. If only Corbyn would get out if the way, most of his supporters would leave Labour,the competent and credible Starmer would emerge as leader and Labour would romp home to victory.

Again - evidence of Swinson lying and faking, please.
 
The YouGov MRP poll, which predicted a hung parliament in 2017, are forecasting the Conservatives to win a majority of 28.

Labour seats at risk include Bolsover (Dennis Skinner's seat) and Sedgefield (Tony Blair's old constituency).

CON 339 LAB 231 SNP 41 LD 15
 
The YouGov MRP poll, which predicted a hung parliament in 2017, are forecasting the Conservatives to win a majority of 28.

Labour seats at risk include Bolsover (Dennis Skinner's seat) and Sedgefield (Tony Blair's old constituency).

CON 339 LAB 231 SNP 41 LD 15

What's the point of a vote, if these polls are predicting this, or am I missing something
 
A daft post. A PM has a highly trained skilled team of experts who work for him/her. Corbyn is the only person standing who has integrity and is a man of peace.

But [MENTION=7774]Robert[/MENTION] you'd prefer Boris so he can help the Israelis and Yanks bomb more innocent people to their deaths?


A lone person kills a few people and like you many are in uproar but the same people support mass destruction of a nation. No wonder you're against Corbyn.

Labour have absolutely no clue on how to run a business, create growth and employment.
That i’m Afraid is the sad truth.

This time they won’t have the Iranians to bail them out when the garbage gets too much.
 
Labour have absolutely no clue on how to run a business, create growth and employment.
That i’m Afraid is the sad truth.

This time they won’t have the Iranians to bail them out when the garbage gets too much.

That's a big assumption though isn't it considering Tory have been in power for a decade, in that time what have they done to deserve my vote ? over a Party who I may consider at least giving a chance...
 
That's a big assumption though isn't it considering Tory have been in power for a decade, in that time what have they done to deserve my vote ? over a Party who I may consider at least giving a chance...

They have done nothing to deserve your vote. They have been a lot worse since 2015 without the Lib Dems to hold them back.
 
That's a big assumption though isn't it considering Tory have been in power for a decade, in that time what have they done to deserve my vote ? over a Party who I may consider at least giving a chance...

Agreed.
But from 2010 it was a coalition government and since 2016 the country has been paralysed with Brexit.
I am going by Just the policies of both Parties.
 
Agreed.
But from 2010 it was a coalition government and since 2016 the country has been paralysed with Brexit.
I am going by Just the policies of both Parties.

I understand but would you trust the Tories based on their recent resume in office regardless of what their policies say, they also seem to take massive U-Turns on their comments with regards to their public services plans and this morning read an article on the BBC how 88% of their advertisements are misleading. Am not sure if Labour are capable of running the country but they seem to have more of a respect for us and ethics in general, beyond that I think it's good to prioritise the NHS, security and education in general
 
It's the final day of campaigning, ahead of Thursday's general election
Jeremy Corbyn works his way through six constituencies offering a "vote for hope" and attacking Tory "negativity"
Boris Johnson travels from West Yorkshire, through Wales and to London, insisting the Tories are the only party who can "get Brexit done"
Lib Dem leader Jo Swinson also tours Remain-supporting seats, urging voters to back her candidates to stop Brexit
The SNP's Nicola Sturgeon makes her final pitch in Edinburgh, Glasgow, Stirling and Dunbartonshire
Nigel Farage reaches out to Labour Leave voters and warns of the holes in Mr Johnson's Brexit deal
Plaid Cymru and the Greens also drive home their key messages
 
Evidence for Swinson lying and faking?

Go for competence [MENTION=46929]shaz619[/MENTION]. Character is only the start. According to [MENTION=43583]KingKhanWC[/MENTION]'s criterion, I could run Liverpool FC.

Swinson was a cabinet minister and has had a real job outside politics. Corbyn is basically a 70-year-old student union politican. He has no Cabinet experience, no Select Committee chair experience, no degree, no leadership skills or decision making ability - look at how long it took him to lance the antisemitism boil - and yet [MENTION=43583]KingKhanWC[/MENTION] wants to put him in charge of nukes! And put Dianne Abbott in charge of the Police, Prison Service and MI6? Do me a carrot!!!! :)))

I actually was willing to potentially forgive the Lib Dems for the 9K U-Turn, I mean it was never going to stop me from pursuing higher education but it had a much wider impact in my community and I understand it to. However, Robert you know it to; it's a two horse race unfortunately
 
I understand but would you trust the Tories based on their recent resume in office regardless of what their policies say, they also seem to take massive U-Turns on their comments with regards to their public services plans and this morning read an article on the BBC how 88% of their advertisements are misleading. Am not sure if Labour are capable of running the country but they seem to have more of a respect for us and ethics in general, beyond that I think it's good to prioritise the NHS, security and education in general

I don’t trust them.
I have a daughter studying medicine at uni and a lad who will hopefully go to uni in 18 months, so of course I would like nothing more then free fees... I didn’t have to pay fees and came out from uni debt free.

On the other hand, i’m In a business which labour want to take away from us. First with new regulations and higher taxes specially aimed at our business then to actually systematically take our business away from us.

So it’s been an extremely difficult decision and everyone has to decide for themselves.
 
I don’t trust them.
I have a daughter studying medicine at uni and a lad who will hopefully go to uni in 18 months, so of course I would like nothing more then free fees... I didn’t have to pay fees and came out from uni debt free.

On the other hand, i’m In a business which labour want to take away from us. First with new regulations and higher taxes specially aimed at our business then to actually systematically take our business away from us.

So it’s been an extremely difficult decision and everyone has to decide for themselves.

If am honest I haven't read up on the business policy's they have, I know Labour are not so friendly when it comes to taxing corporations or earners who make more then 80K but beyond that which policy's of there's would you say are most damaging to business ? yes it is a difficult decision in that regard, I have a relative who runs a very successful business but has mostly voted for Labour. However, you have to do what you feel is best for your family I guess.
 
If am honest I haven't read up on the business policy's they have, I know Labour are not so friendly when it comes to taxing corporations or earners who make more then 80K but beyond that which policy's of there's would you say are most damaging to business ? yes it is a difficult decision in that regard, I have a relative who runs a very successful business but has mostly voted for Labour. However, you have to do what you feel is best for your family I guess.

Higher corporation tax especially if the banding is based on turnover...

Higher personal income tax. £80k in london after tax is around £4.5/£5k net which sounds a lot but not if you’re working 12 hour days in the city and making money for the country.

Going after landlords, thereafter going after buy to let’s and then finally, giving tenants option to buy property at knockdown price. You might call it a reverse of what that thatcher did.
Instead they should reform Housing Benefit and trust me with some tweaking the housing crises can be improved.
 
Abbott is highly trained and skilled expert. Pull the other one mate. There is a reason she has been invisible in this campaign.

The one skilled person in the Shadow Cabinet is Starmer and his CLP tried to deselect him! Labour is a personality cult now, not a party.

No, I would not prefer Johnson. The choice must be the worst in history - the racist charlatan or the incompetent. If only Corbyn would get out if the way, most of his supporters would leave Labour,the competent and credible Starmer would emerge as leader and Labour would romp home to victory.

Again - evidence of Swinson lying and faking, please.

This current labour leadership have not been in power so it’s baseless to claim they are incompetent. Tory party have proved their incompetence for 9 years .

Liberals have lied , it doesn’t matter they have a new leader now . Because she’s not been in charge long enough so we have to take their recent promises , tuition fees is enough to prove it .


Uk is poor compared to much of Europe. Boris will only turn it into a dump .
 
GO CORBYN, GO!
Jeremy Corbyn is the greatest british politician i have ever seen!
If you are eligible to vote in the uk elections, i urge you to vote for your local labour candidate.
At the moment all polls show a boris johnson and tory victory, but there is still time to stop this clown from winning, i urge you to vote Labour!
 
The UK is going to the polls for the country's third general election in less than five years.

The contest, the first to be held in December in nearly 100 years, follows those in 2015 and 2017.

Polling stations in 650 constituencies across England, Wales, Scotland and Northern Ireland opened at 07:00 GMT.

After the polls close at 22:00 GMT, counting will begin straight away. Most results are due to be announced in the early hours of Friday morning.

A total of 650 MPs will be chosen under the first-past-the-post system used for general elections, in which the candidate who secures the most votes in each individual constituency is elected.

In 2017, Newcastle Central was the first constituency to declare, announcing its result about an hour after polls closed.

Elections in the UK traditionally take place every four or five years. But, in October, MPs voted for the second snap poll in as many years. It is the first winter election since 1974 and the first to take place in December since 1923.

Anyone aged 18 or over is eligible to vote, as long as they are a British citizen or qualifying citizen of the Commonwealth or Republic of Ireland and have registered to vote. Registration closed on 26 November.

Details about where to vote can be found on the Electoral Commission website and are also listed on polling cards sent to households.

People do not need a polling card to be able to vote but will need to give their name and address at their local polling station. People can only vote for one candidate or their ballot paper will not be counted.

Prime Minister Boris Johnson has cast his vote - he visited a polling station in central London, taking his dog, Dilyn, along with him. SNP leader Nicola Sturgeon has visited a polling station in Glasgow.

Labour leader Jeremy Corbyn, Liberal Democrat leader Jo Swinson, Green Party co-leader Jonathan Bartley and Plaid Cymru leader Adam Price are all expected to visit polling stations this morning. Brexit Party leader Nigel Farage has voted by postal vote.

Ahead of the poll, the elections watchdog has reminded voters that taking selfies and other photos inside polling stations is not permitted and may be a breach of the law.

Many people have already put a cross next to the name of their favoured candidate by voting by post - more than seven million people used a postal vote two years ago.

Those who applied for a postal vote but have yet to return it to their Electoral Office must do so by 22:00. Alternatively, they can hand it into their local polling station by the close of polls.

According to the BBC's weather forecast, Thursday will be a wet day in many parts of the country, with highs of five degrees Celsius in Edinburgh, nine in Cardiff, seven in Belfast and eight in London.

https://www.bbc.com/news/election-2019-50731632
 
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Had that sinking feeling in my stomach when I heard a group of South Asians saying in Punjabi that they’re not voting for Labour because Corbyn loves “Musulmaan”...<br><br>The hate runs deep, supported by the propaganda, it’s all a madness mate &#55357;&#56871;&#55357;&#56862;<br><br>Still we move onward together...&#55357;&#56474;</p>— Guz Khan (@GuzKhanOfficial) <a href="https://twitter.com/GuzKhanOfficial/status/1205195143260889094?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">December 12, 2019</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

A couple of posters here got offended when I said a portion of Indians in UK would probably be voting for Boris Johnson solely because of their hatred for Muslims. However it seems like that is the case for at least some.
 
You have to be a special kind of numpty to vote for a party based on India vs Pakistan, Muslim vs Hindu
 
Seats to watch tonight include:

Bishop Auckland
Don Valley
Stockton South
Bolton West
Newcastle-under-Lyme
Ashfield
Canterbury
Hastings and Rye
Chipping Barnet
Kensington
Southampton Itchen
Wrexham
Glasgow East

The majorities there are razor thin.
 
Oh dear.

Exit poll predicts worse result for Labour than 1983.
 
It was a simple message - "Get Brexit Done" - over and again, and the message resonated even if Boris and the Tories are widely mistrusted.
 
Corbyn was one of my favourite politicians in the world too. The British deserve what’s coming to them
 
It was a simple message - "Get Brexit Done" - over and again, and the message resonated even if Boris and the Tories are widely mistrusted.

Yep
It all came down to Brexit.

First Lib Dem’s shot themselves in the foot and then Labour followed suite.
 
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Had that sinking feeling in my stomach when I heard a group of South Asians saying in Punjabi that they’re not voting for Labour because Corbyn loves “Musulmaan”...<br><br>The hate runs deep, supported by the propaganda, it’s all a madness mate ����<br><br>Still we move onward together...��</p>— Guz Khan (@GuzKhanOfficial) <a href="https://twitter.com/GuzKhanOfficial/status/1205195143260889094?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">December 12, 2019</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

A couple of posters here got offended when I said a portion of Indians in UK would probably be voting for Boris Johnson solely because of their hatred for Muslims. However it seems like that is the case for at least some.

Indians love anti-Muslim politicians. Look at the US as an example.
 
Indians love anti-Muslim politicians. Look at the US as an example.

That may be but don’t for one second think that the British Indian or British Pakistani vote had any meaningful affect on the result.
 
Exit polls have been wrong, most famously during the night of the EU referendum.

Having said that, if this is true than Britain and its people are in a far darker place than even I imagined. A Conservative majority was always the favoured outcome...a majority of this nature reflects a darkness within the country, an intellectual ineptitude to do the right thing, to be so easily brainwashed and swayed by a one-note, billionaire run media.

I may not stay in his country for too long but there are others, some young, who may want to start a family but they will face a public service system under immense attack and soon, when they have children, they will be pulling madly at their pockets looking for money for rent, for health insurance and not knowing where to find it.

If the people are willing to be blinded by hate and ignorance so be it.
 
These results will be seen as a warning shot across the Atlantic for Democrats that veering too far left will enable Trump to win a second term in 2020 too.
 
These results will be seen as a warning shot across the Atlantic for Democrats that veering too far left will enable Trump to win a second term in 2020 too.

I didn’t expect that type of thinking from someone like you. I’m disappointed
 
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