UK Election results 2019: Boris Johnson returns to power with big majority [Post#486]

[cricketjoshila]

The Jews always have to figure out one way or the the dont they?

What?

 

[Sidilicious]

Nationalist majority in the HoC. First time ever.

Oh I love seeing the DUP squirm,

does that mean that a reunion is likely?

 

[GBK_Fan]

1. Germany's economy might have been struggling for the last 2 quarters or so. Before that the growth was slow, but steady. The growth in Europe will remain slow. But compared to England, Germany is in a much better position. Once the Brexit takes place, and it becomes clear that the UK can have a free trade deal with either Europe or the USA, it will have a significant setback in the already struggling UK economy.

2. We are not talking about communism. I do not agree with all of Corbyn's policies, nor do I think it will possible to implement them. However, they are way better than what Johnson is offering. We do not have an option of many economic models. There are just 2. The labour model, or the Tories model.

Yes, the same tories who have been reducing the NHS funding, and have been responsible for austerity for the last 9 years. Will they really invest in the NHS? The PM who has lied through his teeth is now going to stick to this promises? The government whose ministers have said that UK working class are the laziest in the world are now going to implement policies to benefit them?

I am not a huge fan of Corbyn. He has some good policies, some bad. However, he would have been a better option than Johnson. It was Johnson vs Corbyn. It was a bilateral choice between someone who is a socialist vs someone who is the spawn of evil. And the turkeys voted for Christmas.

You come around peddling your wild theories again and when challenged with facts you go scurrying off, as with all Labour supporters who don’t understand economics. Boris was bad and evil, unfortunately Corbyn was the devil himself. Deal with it!!

 

[GBK_Fan]

What?

Standard Labour supporters. They hate anyone who earns above the national minimum and don’t like it when people call them out for being anti Semitic.

 

[Sidilicious]

You come around peddling your wild theories again and when challenged with facts you go scurrying off, as with all Labour supporters who don’t understand economics. Boris was bad and evil, unfortunately Corbyn was the devil himself. Deal with it!!

Wild theories? Which point have I made that is not sound and not backed by economic studies. In other posts, I have also made it clear that I am no Corbyn fan.

And can you tell me with a straight fact that Boris is not going to lie and will keep up to his promises?

 

[from_da_lost_dim3nsion]

These results will be seen as a warning shot across the Atlantic for Democrats that veering too far left will enable Trump to win a second term in 2020 too.

Couldn't agree more. America is a nation found by puritans . We are not ready for the far left yet .

 

[GBK_Fan]

Wild theories? Which point have I made that is not sound and not backed by economic studies. In other posts, I have also made it clear that I am no Corbyn fan.

And can you tell me with a straight fact that Boris is not going to lie and will keep up to his promises?

You lied in the other thread and when called out, I am yet to hear from you. Boris is just a better version of you. And boo boo if you think politicians don’t lie.

 

[Slog]

What?

im beins sarcastic to KKWC

 

[JaDed]

Couldn't agree more. America is a nation found by puritans . We are not ready for the far left yet .

No one should be ready for far left, free markets are what made America great,

 

[Bewal Express]

Most teachers are sort of centre left and many were in shock today. Most knew the Tories would win, I predicted a majority of 30 but my friend, who is a fellow teacher and passionate Labour supporter was in total shock. In many ways Johnson having a large majority is a good thing because at least he isn't beholden to a group of extreme right wing thugs and he can come back to the centre ground.

 

[from_da_lost_dim3nsion]

No one should be ready for far left, free markets are what made America great,

True , but naked capitalism is not the answer either . There needs to be some safety nets and checks and balances on multinational corporations . Its too easy in this global economy to make money in one country and park it in another. and its too easy for minorities rights to be trampled upon if the constitution doesn't already have some protections for minorities baked in .

 

[KingT]

Standard Labour supporters. They hate anyone who earns above the national minimum and don’t like it when people call them out for being anti Semitic.

The hypocrisy.
Labour are anti-semites according to you but aren't the conservatives Islamophobes???
Or do you not want that to be mentioned?

 

[Abdul]

Long live Boris!

 

[JaDed]

Boris is a tool and bigot as well but not England, question is how do people who love religious republics where the system is biased but show hatred to an individual.. hypocrisy much?

 

[Technics 1210]

Most people need a wake up call. The only people who can vote for Boris is the constituent of Uxbridge.

The rest voted for their local MPs representing a party. We do not vote for a PM on the ballot paper.

Simply put, the people didn't vote for Boris, they voted for the Tory message - get Brexit done.

 

[Abdullah476]

Most people need a wake up call. The only people who can vote for Boris is the constituent of Uxbridge.

The rest voted for their local MPs representing a party. We do not vote for a PM on the ballot paper.

Simply put, the people didn't vote for Boris, they voted for the Tory message - get Brexit done.

Brexit is also one of the reasons why people didn't vote for Labour. People just want this Brexit issue to end once and for all and if labour had come into power, the issue would have been prolonged

 

[PetroDollars]

Most people need a wake up call. The only people who can vote for Boris is the constituent of Uxbridge.

The rest voted for their local MPs representing a party. We do not vote for a PM on the ballot paper.

Simply put, the people didn't vote for Boris, they voted for the Tory message - get Brexit done.

nope, they voted for boris, how else do you explain them dropping seats to a nutter like corby last time around.

This time boris put them in there place, but i dont know why people are hyping brexit, corybn being a disaster also played a part in labour voters turning to tory and that scotish ones going to snp.

 

[Technics 1210]

nope, they voted for boris, how else do you explain them dropping seats to a nutter like corby last time around.

This time boris put them in there place, but i dont know why people are hyping brexit, corybn being a disaster also played a part in labour voters turning to tory and that scotish ones going to snp.

They voted to get Brexit done.

Labour was disaster because of the second referendum pledge, and LDs with their revoke policy. Labour gained seats in 2017 because their position was geared towards Brexit. Labour changed their policy to appease the remain too, and it back fired.

This is precisely the point being made today. Labour disconnected themselves from their base. This election was all about Brexit.

Fact remains we do not vote for a PM on the ballot paper. This isn't the USA. It is for this reason, smearing tactics rarely work in the UK.

 

[KingKhanWC]

The Jews always have to figure out one way or the the dont they?

If you lived in the UK you'd know Corbyn was attacked for being anti-Semitism every day including Rabbis, Jewish celebs, etc.. His policies were hardly discussed. He's not anti Jew and Jews are a very small number in the UK even if he was. There is no leader in the history of the western world who has been pro-Palestinian(as Corbyn).

Idoesn't matter now. UK is a backward country compared to other nations in Europe, Boris will not improve it but make it worse.

 

[Angrez Pakistani]

Good luck to Boris. I hope he gets his Brexit. Also good luck to the ones who voted for the Tories and my sympathies for those who didn’t.

 

[Technics 1210]

Labour forever made the greatest blunder in politics (after May called GE2017). If only Labour had focused on the 17.4 Million instead of saying there's a chance to change the referendum result - right now Corbyn would be in a different position.

Worse still, the treasonous MPs and remainers who wanted to reverse/subvert the EU referendum result have not only paid the ultimate price in politics, but completely failed to understand you cannot reverse a democratic decision unless it's implemented.

Thanks to the Remainers, they've handed Boris a blank cheque for the next 5 years. They deserve it for failing to grasp the Democratic fabric of society.

Well done, you only have yourselves to blame, but have also killed the Remain movement.

 

[KingKhanWC]

Labour forever made the greatest blunder in politics (after May called GE2017). If only Labour had focused on the 17.4 Million instead of saying there's a chance to change the referendum result - right now Corbyn would be in a different position.

Worse still, the treasonous MPs and remainers who wanted to reverse/subvert the EU referendum result have not only paid the ultimate price in politics, but completely failed to understand you cannot reverse a democratic decision unless it's implemented.

Thanks to the Remainers, they've handed Boris a blank cheque for the next 5 years. They deserve it for failing to grasp the Democratic fabric of society.

Well done, you only have yourselves to blame, but have also killed the Remain movement.

Come on bro, you're smarter than this. If Labour had Tom Watson in charge with the EXACT same policies and tactics, they would have won or at least a hung parliament. You know the Zionist Jews will not allow anyone to lead the western world who is pro-Palestinian. The rest is irrelevant.

 

[Angrez Pakistani]

Tommy Robinson joined Conservatives today. Happy days.

 

[Abdullah476]

Tommy Robinson joined Conservatives today. Happy days.

So you're happy that a racist and an islamophobe guy has joined the party you support?
Or am I missing something here?

 

[Angrez Pakistani]

So you're happy that a racist and an islamophobe guy has joined the party you support?
Or am I missing something here?

Ever heard of Irony? Sarcasm?

 

[Abdullah476]

Good luck to Boris. I hope he gets his Brexit. Also good luck to the ones who voted for the Tories and my sympathies for those who didn’t.

Was ^ irony too? [MENTION=145569]Angrez Pakistani[/MENTION]

 

[Technics 1210]

Come on bro, you're smarter than this. If Labour had Tom Watson in charge with the EXACT same policies and tactics, they would have won or at least a hung parliament. You know the Zionist Jews will not allow anyone to lead the western world who is pro-Palestinian. The rest is irrelevant.

I am not convinced the reason Labour lost was because of Corbyn. I'm am convinced that Labour lost primarily because of their position on Brexit.

Corbyn won his seat. He is still an MP.

Labour was closing the gap in the opinion polls despite the Zionist smear campaign. The gap however started growing again when Labour were clear on their Brexit position. Offering a second referendum was suicide. Labour should've known this following on from their brief success in 2017 (when Labour opposed the notion of a second referendum).

Missed opportunity IMO.

 

[KingKhanWC]

I am not convinced the reason Labour lost was because of Corbyn. I'm am convinced that Labour lost primarily because of their position on Brexit.

Corbyn won his seat. He is still an MP.

Labour was closing the gap in the opinion polls despite the Zionist smear campaign. The gap however started growing again when Labour were clear on their Brexit position. Offering a second referendum was suicide. Labour should've known this following on from their brief success in 2017 (when Labour opposed the notion of a second referendum).

Missed opportunity IMO.

Bro the people of this country are not smart enough to understand what the E.U is , let alone what Brexit is! Most who voted for Brexit was due to immigration. Saying Corbyn is a friend of the enemy, foreigners etc was all that was needed. People how don't like Boris voted for him, choosing to them what was the lesser of two evils.

In the UK people should pass some sort of test before being able to vote, this nation is now full of idiots.

 

[WebGuru]

So 15 Pakistani origin MPs (including 6 from Azad Kashmir) in the new UK parliament. 10 from Labour and 5 from Conservative.

Details:

Naz Shah, (Labour)
Bradford West, Khalid Mahmood, (Labour)
Yasmin Qureshi, (Labour)
South Bolton, Afzal Khan, (Labour)
Gortan Manchester, Tahir Ali, (Labour)
Hall Green, Birmingham, Muhammad Yasin (Labour)
Bradfordshire, Imran Hussain (Labour)
Bradford East, Zara Sultan (Labour)
Coventry Sout, Shabana Mehmood (Labour)
Ladywood, Birmingham, Rosena Ali Khan (Labour)
Tooting, Nusrat Ghani (Conservative)
Imran Ahmed Khan (Conservative)
Wakefield, Sajid Javed (Conservative)
Bromsgrov Rehman Chishti (Conservative)
Rainhamand Saqib Bhatti (Conservative)

 

[Abdul]

Avoiding the question?

Maybe, maybe not

 

[Technics 1210]

Bro the people of this country are not smart enough to understand what the E.U is , let alone what Brexit is! Most who voted for Brexit was due to immigration. Saying Corbyn is a friend of the enemy, foreigners etc was all that was needed. People how don't like Boris voted for him, choosing to them what was the lesser of two evils.

In the UK people should pass some sort of test before being able to vote, this nation is now full of idiots.

I think the voting system needs to change. First past the post is ancient and was designed to be manipulated.

With proportional representation, Corbyn would-be in discussions with Sturgeon right now.

 

[Angrez Pakistani]

Was ^ irony too? [MENTION=145569]Angrez Pakistani[/MENTION]

No. I genuinely hope that British voters don’t have to pay for their stupid choices. I also genuinely respect the mandate handed over to Boris by the voters. I am a Labour voter but a mandate is a mandate.

 

[Manunited18]

Tommy Robinson joined Conservatives today. Happy days.

Now this is worrying, a proven football hooligan, a racist, islamophobic welcomed with open arms in a newly elected democracy

 

[KingKhanWC]

I think the voting system needs to change. First past the post is ancient and was designed to be manipulated.

With proportional representation, Corbyn would-be in discussions with Sturgeon right now.

It really isn't even about this election. How can one man one vote make any sense when you are giving equal power to uneducated? The millions who voted for Brexit, contain a large percentage of people who haven't a Scooby doo what Brexit is apart from it will limit immigration. We have to accept these harsh realities.

 

[MenInG]

So that your posts dont get deleted, do not get personal with anyone.

 

[irfan]

I am not convinced the reason Labour lost was because of Corbyn. I'm am convinced that Labour lost primarily because of their position on Brexit.

Corbyn won his seat. He is still an MP.

Labour was closing the gap in the opinion polls despite the Zionist smear campaign. The gap however started growing again when Labour were clear on their Brexit position. Offering a second referendum was suicide. Labour should've known this following on from their brief success in 2017 (when Labour opposed the notion of a second referendum).

Missed opportunity IMO.

this was the fault of idiots like Starmer & Thornberry protecting their own London seats making Labour a Remain party even though the referendum was 3 years ago. Corbyn of course was too weak to tell them to do one, his initial policy of a soft brexit was the correct one. Honestly don't see how Labour can come back, the northern working class heartlands want left leaning economic polcies but with social conservatism whilst Labour's other electorate are the metropolitan liberal cosmopolitan types who favour progressive,social justice type issues.

 

[WebGuru]

Warsi ain't coming slow...
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Your party? Hold on a minute sister. I think you will find it’s OUR party now. <br><br>Britain has Boris and a blue collar army. <br><br>Nationalism is back. British people first. <a href="https://t.co/6q19CacwZg">https://t.co/6q19CacwZg</a></p>— Katie Hopkins (@KTHopkins) <a href="https://twitter.com/KTHopkins/status/1205352022863691776?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">December 13, 2019</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Born in <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Dewsbury?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Dewsbury</a> love<br>- family been British for over 150 years <br>-both grandfathers proudly served in the British Indian Army during WW2 <br>We’ve been fighting to defend this country against fascists for generations <br>Sister? - I think not <a href="https://t.co/dhP6brJBb0">https://t.co/dhP6brJBb0</a></p>— Sayeeda Warsi (@SayeedaWarsi) <a href="https://twitter.com/SayeedaWarsi/status/1205560949798780929?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">December 13, 2019</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

 

[Technics 1210]

It really isn't even about this election. How can one man one vote make any sense when you are giving equal power to uneducated? The millions who voted for Brexit, contain a large percentage of people who haven't a Scooby doo what Brexit is apart from it will limit immigration. We have to accept these harsh realities.

It works in the reverse to, Remainers voted to remain for the sake of it, not understanding the concerns of Leavers, and wanting to stick with the status quo.

However I have maintained Brexit is a symptom, not a cause. The real cause is austerity and no one other than Corbyn was looking to change the failed captialist system in the UK.

It's a crying shame.

 

[KingKhanWC]

It works in the reverse to, Remainers voted to remain for the sake of it, not understanding the concerns of Leavers, and wanting to stick with the status quo.

However I have maintained Brexit is a symptom, not a cause. The real cause is austerity and no one other than Corbyn was looking to change the failed captialist system in the UK.

It's a crying shame.

Exactly but remain lost. A test should be introduced before being able to vote. Most in the UK would fail, this nation is fast becoming a land of imbeciles. Makes no difference to my life, the world is huge.

 

[Robert]

However I have maintained Brexit is a symptom, not a cause. The real cause is austerity and no one other than Corbyn was looking to change the failed captialist system in the UK.

The real cause was Cameron trying to settle a twenty-year argument in the Tory party by calling a wholly unnecessary referendum. In 2014 only 6% of Britons said the EU was their biggest concern.

 

[Robert]

Bro the people of this country are not smart enough to understand what the E.U is , let alone what Brexit is! Most who voted for Brexit was due to immigration. Saying Corbyn is a friend of the enemy, foreigners etc was all that was needed.

Perhaps some could spot a man promoted far beyond his level of competence by an authoritarian cloth-eared personality cult.

 

[KingKhanWC]

Anti-Johnson protesters take to London streets

https://news.sky.com/video/anti-johnson-protesters-take-to-london-streets-11885868

Excellent. They should go further with civil disobedience . We cannot accept a racist scmbag as a leader.

 

[KingKhanWC]

Perhaps some could spot a man promoted far beyond his level of competence by an authoritarian cloth-eared personality cult.

Youre confused, it was the Tory party in power for the last decade proving their incompetence. Corbyn is a great man, better than anyone on here. He deserved a chance to prove his competence.

And as if Boris is competent.

 

[Technics 1210]

Exactly but remain lost. A test should be introduced before being able to vote. Most in the UK would fail, this nation is fast becoming a land of imbeciles. Makes no difference to my life, the world is huge.

Hence dictatorship model can be appealing. Take the decision away from the public to get things done.

Like you I have now become indifferent to politics. I don't really care anymore. I voted many times but the one time my vote counted as one vote, was in 2016. The rest of it is just an excuse for democracy.

I now follow politics for the entertainment value.

 

[KingKhanWC]

Hence dictatorship model can be appealing. Take the decision away from the public to get things done.

Like you I have now become indifferent to politics. I don't really care anymore. I voted many times but the one time my vote counted as one vote, was in 2016. The rest of it is just an excuse for democracy.

I now follow politics for the entertainment value.

I will never vote again. Waste of time, western democracy is corrupt. People are being fed lies and brainwashed.

Make money and have fun, this is no issue whoever is in charge. Selfish but sometimes there is no point worrying any further than your own self.

 

[Technics 1210]

I will never vote again. Waste of time, western democracy is corrupt. People are being fed lies and brainwashed.

Make money and have fun, this is no issue whoever is in charge. Selfish but sometimes there is no point worrying any further than your own self.

Nailed it. Have faith in Allah, earn an honest crust, and enjoy life.

 

[Technics 1210]

The real cause was Cameron trying to settle a twenty-year argument in the Tory party by calling a wholly unnecessary referendum. In 2014 only 6% of Britons said the EU was their biggest concern.

Mate you are still not getting it. After 2008 financial crash, austerity kicked in, this lead to a rise in right-wing/fascist populace politics, and in 2015 UKIP ended with 4M votes. In order to suppress the rise of right-wing politics, Cameron had to call a referendum.

Even so, Parliament voted (I think 500 to 150?) To give the people the vote on EU membership.

I'm not sure where you are seeing the 2014 / 6% stat, but the only stat that mattered was in 2016.

Austerity is the cause. The one man who dared to change the system - Corbyn - paid the price.

The system is corrupt.

 

[WC-Passion]

DUP falling in Ireland and SNP rising in Scotland yet we're stuck with the Tories demolishing Labour. Brexit has to be up there with one of the worst things that has happened to this country in the last 20 years.

 

[James]

With proportional representation, Corbyn would-be in discussions with Sturgeon right now.

Actually not this time. There have been models run on this already, and with such a big difference in vote share, Johnson would still have been the Prime Minister under a PR system.

 

[Pakpak]

I just looked at a graph. The biggest Conservative vote bank was from people aged 50-59. And in terms of education wise the largest voter base for Tories was from people with the least amount of education. Makes sense.

 

[Markhor]

I just looked at a graph. The biggest Conservative vote bank was from people aged 50-59. And in terms of education wise the largest voter base for Tories was from people with the least amount of education. Makes sense.

The big realignment in electoral politics taking place not only in the UK, but in the US and other parts of the West, is on cultural lines.

Left parties are increasing their votes amongst graduates and metropolitan cities, but falling behind amongst non-graduates and in the small towns.

As [MENTION=632]irfan[/MENTION] points out, the challenge for Labour is how to unite these two parts of their electoral coalition.

 

[Markhor]

this was the fault of idiots like Starmer & Thornberry protecting their own London seats making Labour a Remain party even though the referendum was 3 years ago. Corbyn of course was too weak to tell them to do one, his initial policy of a soft brexit was the correct one. Honestly don't see how Labour can come back, the northern working class heartlands want left leaning economic polcies but with social conservatism whilst Labour's other electorate are the metropolitan liberal cosmopolitan types who favour progressive,social justice type issues.

It was an impossible political tightrope to walk on regardless on what the pundits think the magic formula was. Two thirds of Labour voters and the vast majority of the membership on whose support Corbyn came to power are Remainers, as are most of the Parliamentary Party and Constituency Associations. So he couldn't alienate his base.

But their support alone is insufficient to command a majority in the country. You also need the one-thirds Labour voters who backed Leave especially in the ex-industrial towns.

All one can say for certain is that whatever policy Labour chose - Customs Union, EEA, Second Referendum, voting for May's deal or Boris's deal - all would've come with political costs. And no sensible political leader will willingly lacerate their own electoral coalition, hence why Corbyn dithered and delayed for so long. Boris however was more successful in consolidating his own support, which is much more homogenous and pro-Leave, especially having purged the rebels.

But the kicker is that even Tory Remainers, faced with Boris's Hard Brexit, stayed loyal such was the fear of Corbyn. Look at Cheltenham, Guildford and Lewes. That's a warning to Labour moderates (and US Democrats in 2020) too in trying to appealing to some moderate conservatives - when faced with the choice of economic justice or right-wing buffoonery, they'll choose their wallet.

 

[barah_admi]

I ended up watching a documentary called Britain's Ultra Nationalists on Amazon Prime tv tonight. If you see it you will see that Britain is in a much darker place than we thought. The interviewer was a passive Indian looking guy called Aran Tori and he was basically allowing the white supremacists an open field. By the end of it even the Jews long term future didn't look safe.That said, if the wet blanket of a presenter had even asked a few hard questions the programme would have looked a lot different.

I have heard of that documentary but I don' really need to, to know how bad things have become. It is the sad history of Europe, a xenophobic continent. Country's such as Italy and Spain are barely a single generation removed from fascism and have fallen back into it, Nazism never true left nations like Poland, Ukraine, Austria and Hungary and we all know about the mass racism of France. Europe is simply reverting to type.

 

[Bel_Homme]

https://news.sky.com/video/anti-johnson-protesters-take-to-london-streets-11885868

Excellent. They should go further with civil disobedience . We cannot accept a racist scmbag as a leader.

Shouldnt democracy be about accepting people's mandate gracefully? You want civil disobedience just bcoz your party didnt win?

 

[Local.Dada]

Looks like majority of your "fellow British people" @cpt.Rishwat have voted for their own version of Hindutva

What's happening here?

 

[AdamM97]

Looks like Boris is going to replicate Margaret Thatcher by building Singapore-inspired free economic zones to cope with Brexit.

Will be interesting to see how it works out this time, since Thatcher’s ”free economic zone” experiments were mostly a failure.

 

[cricketjoshila]

Shouldnt democracy be about accepting people's mandate gracefully? You want civil disobedience just bcoz your party didnt win?

He advises Indian muslims to do the same.

 

[Robert]

Mate you are still not getting it. After 2008 financial crash, austerity kicked in, this lead to a rise in right-wing/fascist populace politics, and in 2015 UKIP ended with 4M votes. In order to suppress the rise of right-wing politics, Cameron had to call a referendum.

Even so, Parliament voted (I think 500 to 150?) To give the people the vote on EU membership.

I'm not sure where you are seeing the 2014 / 6% stat, but the only stat that mattered was in 2016.

Austerity is the cause. The one man who dared to change the system - Corbyn - paid the price.

The system is corrupt.

In 2014 there was a poll to ask what were the big concerns. The NHS, crime and terrorism were tops, while EU was near the bottom. It simply didn’t matter to most people.

Cameron didn’t have to offer a 50:50 vote when he could have asked for 60:40. Then he fought that dreadful Project Fear campaign instead of shouting from the rooftops how valuable the EU is to us.

Corbyn lost because of his personal lack of ability and credibility, not his policies.

 

[Robert]

It was an impossible political tightrope to walk on regardless on what the pundits think the magic formula was. Two thirds of Labour voters and the vast majority of the membership on whose support Corbyn came to power are Remainers, as are most of the Parliamentary Party and Constituency Associations. So he couldn't alienate his base.

But their support alone is insufficient to command a majority in the country. You also need the one-thirds Labour voters who backed Leave especially in the ex-industrial towns.

All one can say for certain is that whatever policy Labour chose - Customs Union, EEA, Second Referendum, voting for May's deal or Boris's deal - all would've come with political costs. And no sensible political leader will willingly lacerate their own electoral coalition, hence why Corbyn dithered and delayed for so long. Boris however was more successful in consolidating his own support, which is much more homogenous and pro-Leave, especially having purged the rebels.

But the kicker is that even Tory Remainers, faced with Boris's Hard Brexit, stayed loyal such was the fear of Corbyn. Look at Cheltenham, Guildford and Lewes. That's a warning to Labour moderates (and US Democrats in 2020) too in trying to appealing to some moderate conservatives - when faced with the choice of economic justice or right-wing buffoonery, they'll choose their wallet.

Agree fully.

 

[Robert]

DUP falling in Ireland and SNP rising in Scotland yet we're stuck with the Tories demolishing Labour. Brexit has to be up there with one of the worst things that has happened to this country in the last 20 years.

Worst self-inflicted harm since... probably the English Civil War / War of Three Kings.

 

[AdamM97]

Warsi ain't coming slow...
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Your party? Hold on a minute sister. I think you will find it’s OUR party now. <br><br>Britain has Boris and a blue collar army. <br><br>Nationalism is back. British people first. <a href="https://t.co/6q19CacwZg">https://t.co/6q19CacwZg</a></p>— Katie Hopkins (@KTHopkins) <a href="https://twitter.com/KTHopkins/status/1205352022863691776?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">December 13, 2019</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Born in <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Dewsbury?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Dewsbury</a> love<br>- family been British for over 150 years <br>-both grandfathers proudly served in the British Indian Army during WW2 <br>We’ve been fighting to defend this country against fascists for generations <br>Sister? - I think not <a href="https://t.co/dhP6brJBb0">https://t.co/dhP6brJBb0</a></p>— Sayeeda Warsi (@SayeedaWarsi) <a href="https://twitter.com/SayeedaWarsi/status/1205560949798780929?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">December 13, 2019</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Family has been British for over 150 years?

Talk about being an uncle Tom.

 

[Robert]

Youre confused, it was the Tory party in power for the last decade proving their incompetence. Corbyn is a great man, better than anyone on here. He deserved a chance to prove his competence.

And as if Boris is competent.

You have a very, very low bar for “great man”. Great men change things, like MLK and Mandela.

He’s a decent man who was promoted far too high and has been found out. Any competent Labour leader would have beating these useless Tories.

Say what you like about Johnson but he keeps winning. Nobody thought he could be elected Major of left-wing London. He won twice. Everyone thought he would fall on his face after switching to Leave. Now he is PM with a big majority after nine years of austerity. And before you start calling him my hero, I can’t stand the bloke.

 

[PetroDollars]

corby, a great man )

 

[KingKhanWC]

You have a very, very low bar for “great man”. Great men change things, like MLK and Mandela.

He’s a decent man who was promoted far too high and has been found out. Any competent Labour leader would have beating these useless Tories.

Say what you like about Johnson but he keeps winning. Nobody thought he could be elected Major of left-wing London. He won twice. Everyone thought he would fall on his face after switching to Leave. Now he is PM with a big majority after nine years of austerity. And before you start calling him my hero, I can’t stand the bloke.

Tony Blair butchered people. Children are being born in Iraq with defects due to chemical weapons. Yet he is your hero.

Corbyn never had the chance to govern but has helped many vunerlable people throughout his life. He is a greater man than Blair , you and I.

 

[KingT]

Tony Blair butchered people. Children are being born in Iraq with defects due to chemical weapons. Yet he is your hero.

Corbyn never had the chance to govern but has helped many vunerlable people throughout his life. He is a greater man than Blair , you and I.

They keep on calling Corbyn an anti semite but they seem to forget that Johnson is islamophobic too.

Double standards

 

[KingKhanWC]

They keep on calling Corbyn an anti semite but they seem to forget that Johnson is islamophobic too.

Double standards

Not sure Robert believes this. But he thinks a man responsible for the destruction of a country and deaths of millions is a great man because he did a few things for the UK.

White westerners esp the elderly are brainwashed by the Empire nonsense, WW2 heroics etc. So they dont mind if their country now acts like the Nazis as long as the national debt reduces by a few million. No different to ISIS supporters imo.

 

[KingT]

Not sure Robert believes this. But he thinks a man responsible for the destruction of a country and deaths of millions is a great man because he did a few things for the UK.

White westerners esp the elderly are brainwashed by the Empire nonsense, WW2 heroics etc. So they dont mind if their country now acts like the Nazis as long as the national debt reduces by a few million. No different to ISIS supporters imo.

Wasn't really talking about Robert coz Robert doesn't like Boris.

 

[WC-Passion]

Worst self-inflicted harm since... probably the English Civil War / War of Three Kings.

Couldn't agree more. You'd hope a decision as big as leaving the EU wouldn't be the result of deceit but here we are....

 

[Robert]

Not sure Robert believes this. But he thinks a man responsible for the destruction of a country and deaths of millions is a great man because he did a few things for the UK.

White westerners esp the elderly are brainwashed by the Empire nonsense, WW2 heroics etc. So they dont mind if their country now acts like the Nazis as long as the national debt reduces by a few million. No different to ISIS supporters imo.

Johnson acted like a liberal as London Mayor, but will continue the racist and Islamophobic dogwhistles when the economy hits the skids due to Brexit and the foodanks multiply. He is a demagogue who will say anything to anyone to gain political advantage.

Didn’t once call Blair a great man. He did a lot of good but he had his flaws. How he got seduced by Bush, Cheney and Rumsfeld is beyond me. Maybe hubris after his big early successes. Saw himself as the champion of Atlanticism I guess. Ken Clark is interesting on this in his autobiography.

Where you don’t give me credit is my inculcation of narratives from BAME people. I filter out the conspiracy theory that this place is prone to but I still listen to elder Sikhs about the Raj and Kenya, and Caribbeans about their experiences ‘back home’ and in the UK.

 

[the Great Khan]

[MENTION=7774]Robert[/MENTION] [MENTION=43583]KingKhanWC[/MENTION] lets move the discussion forward now. I think we have all had our rants about who and what caused this loss.

The question now is where to now? How can Labour win back its old base?

I dont have any real ideas but a start would be to get a northern woman in charge who can tell Boris where to go and be aggressive against the Tories.

The party also need to be seen to be more visible in those areas by getting out onto the ground. Going to the pub with the locals, interacting with them. Getting to the food banks and rolling those sleeves up.

Then start selling their policies on the ground.

There should also be iron discipline in the PLP. Anyone moves out of line should be dismissed. They have nothing to lose now as they cant do anything in the houses so no harm in sacking the odd idiot MP. Corbyn was also hamstrung by this too.

And they need to win back Scotland. Start to attack the SNP on their own ground.

what do you guys think?

 

[marlonbrowndo]

I just looked at a graph. The biggest Conservative vote bank was from people aged 50-59. And in terms of education wise the largest voter base for Tories was from people with the least amount of education. Makes sense.

Wow. Everyone act shocked

 

[marlonbrowndo]

I can’t wait to see the UK self destruct

 

[Robert]

[MENTION=7774]Robert[/MENTION] [MENTION=43583]KingKhanWC[/MENTION] lets move the discussion forward now. I think we have all had our rants about who and what caused this loss.

The question now is where to now? How can Labour win back its old base?

I dont have any real ideas but a start would be to get a northern woman in charge who can tell Boris where to go and be aggressive against the Tories.

The party also need to be seen to be more visible in those areas by getting out onto the ground. Going to the pub with the locals, interacting with them. Getting to the food banks and rolling those sleeves up.

Then start selling their policies on the ground.

There should also be iron discipline in the PLP. Anyone moves out of line should be dismissed. They have nothing to lose now as they cant do anything in the houses so no harm in sacking the odd idiot MP. Corbyn was also hamstrung by this too.

And they need to win back Scotland. Start to attack the SNP on their own ground.

what do you guys think?

Maybe I was wrong about the magical Northern woman. Blair carried the North in three elections after all.

Labour has to find someone who:

- has the ability to unite the Corbynista, soft left and Blairite camps
- stops being a sort of saviour figure to the proles and gets stuck in and engages
- can return Labour to be the party of the aspirational working class (who switched to Tory)
- get rid of that divisive slogan about the many not the few
- I concur about the community activities and will be making this point strongly with my own party
- will facilitate a renaissance of the union movement - run not by the Marxist left of old but a less politicised model based on staff wellbeing, while retaining collective bargaining power

Furthermore all progressives must unite. Labour, Lib Dems, Plaid and Greens must have cross-party working and stand-down pacts at local and national elections.

 

[KingKhanWC]

[MENTION=7774]Robert[/MENTION] [MENTION=43583]KingKhanWC[/MENTION] lets move the discussion forward now. I think we have all had our rants about who and what caused this loss.

The question now is where to now? How can Labour win back its old base?

I dont have any real ideas but a start would be to get a northern woman in charge who can tell Boris where to go and be aggressive against the Tories.

The party also need to be seen to be more visible in those areas by getting out onto the ground. Going to the pub with the locals, interacting with them. Getting to the food banks and rolling those sleeves up.

Then start selling their policies on the ground.

There should also be iron discipline in the PLP. Anyone moves out of line should be dismissed. They have nothing to lose now as they cant do anything in the houses so no harm in sacking the odd idiot MP. Corbyn was also hamstrung by this too.

And they need to win back Scotland. Start to attack the SNP on their own ground.

what do you guys think?

I dont care now.

I will never be voting again.

People are fooled into think the UK has free and fair elections. It does not, the media spread lies, disinformation knowing the majority of people living here are too stupid to think and research for themselves.

Only a zionist boot licker will be given power. No man like JC will ever get close.

 

[irfan]

I dont care now.

I will never be voting again.

People are fooled into think the UK has free and fair elections. It does not, the media spread lies, disinformation knowing the majority of people living here are too stupid to think and research for themselves.

Only a zionist boot licker will be given power. No man like JC will ever get close.

to an extent agree, doubt another Labour leader ever will dare utter the words Palestine or Israel

 

[KingKhanWC]

to an extent agree, doubt another Labour leader ever will dare utter the words Palestine or Israel

Tony Blair has made this point clear to the any new leader or leadership. If they want to do well, they must side with his masters. New Labour was new zionist slave labour, they were given everything to look good as long as they did the bidding of their rulers. Most Brits are too stupid to understand this.

 

[Technics 1210]

I dont care now.

I will never be voting again.

People are fooled into think the UK has free and fair elections. It does not, the media spread lies, disinformation knowing the majority of people living here are too stupid to think and research for themselves.

Only a zionist boot licker will be given power. No man like JC will ever get close.

This. An honest man has no chance in politics.

Democracy is a myth unless 1 man equals 1 vote.

 

[JaDed]

This. An honest man has no chance in politics.

Democracy is a myth unless 1 man equals 1 vote.

You think an honest man makes a good leader for his nation? I’m sure you are not that naive seeing history of empires and countries as such..

And no am not saying Boris is the answer..

 

[the Great Khan]

I dont care now.

I will never be voting again.

People are fooled into think the UK has free and fair elections. It does not, the media spread lies, disinformation knowing the majority of people living here are too stupid to think and research for themselves.

Only a zionist boot licker will be given power. No man like JC will ever get close.

there was a time I used to think the same way and I stopped voting. I would vote in the local elections because it effected local issues like local education, roads,etc. I will still vote for councillors.

I only voted in this election because there was a chance that the Hindu right could have effected the outcome. Next time I will see if the same happens.

On a national level i agree with you. It is a futile effort. Better to work on the ground and help people you can, vote locally and look after your community/family. At the same time have a backup plan to migrate of required.

 

[Mamoon]

The rising intolerance in the West and in India is basically a leveler to the butchering of minorities in Muslim countries.

For very long, Muslim immigrants would thrive in tolerant societies outside their countries of origin and take advantage of their freedom whilst advocating for religious laws in their home countries.

It was inevitable that this arrangement was eventually going to end one day. While some of the western countries may not be the best places to live anymore, one can hope that this inevitable rising intolerance would make the Muslim countries as well as the Muslim immigrants realize that the time has come for them to giving minorities their due rights.

After all, you only feel the pain of others when you can relate to them. Look at what is happening in India now.

We (Pakistanis) strongly condemn the rising Hindu nationalism and the Muslim discrimination, but what we don’t realize is that they are only following our footsteps.

For 72 years, we have treated the Hindus, Christians and Ahmadis in the same fashion as they treating Muslims now.

One can hope that this would make our leaders understand the implications and the significance of discriminating against the minorities.