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Umar Akmal averages 29 in the last 3 years

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When you take out minnows. Without a single hundred and only 7 fifties. In 2014 he averaged 22. Does he deserve to be in the playing xi ahead of fawad alam , maqsood or even jamshed ?
 
That hundred against Afghanistan can hardly be classified as minnow bashing given the situation, which is why stats without context are meaningless.

However, its true that Umar hasn't progressed at all. In fact, he has regressed from a genuinely good ODI player in 2009-2010 to a poor man's Raina and a glorified slogger in 2013-2014.

Still, he's one our best in this format and we need his dynamism. He should be one of the first names on the team sheet in ODIs and T20s, if not the first.
 
Bet you did not watch game vs Afghanistan.

Anyways, he is our best ODI bat.

Plus why should this matter? This is Hafeez & YK all time career averages....
 
obsession with India needs to stop. Poor man's Raina. Raina is no benchmark.

He should be benched during matches against NZ and warm ups until someone fails totally. Said that I do believe he would perform better in Aus/NZ. He and Shehzad like bowl coming onto the bat.
 
He used to be such a good driver of the ball down the ground back in 2009.

He still does occasionally but not as crispy or consistently.
 
He hasn't been used properly at all. Give him 10 matches in a row at #4 or #5 and you will see the results
 
His best always comes in big tournaments. Lets see if he can do it again.

World Cup average 48

Champions Trophy 49

World T20 40

Asia Cup 84

Overall average 50 in tournaments where 5 or mores teams are involved
 
its true and he s one of the weakest links. his fall from grace though is a function of both his own ridiculous hubris and bizarre ut very expected missmanagement. he was dropped numerous times because he was out irresponsibly despite being the leading batsman in the side. if youre that bothered by being out iresponsibly, why not hammer the ones who are doing it and not scoring rather than giving them 50 games? the pcb is crap, once again.

that all said its in the past. i agree with the op though, he's a risk to play. he showed a lot of promise, but has a lot to prove. one would hope his ego has taken a hit by his fall from grace, but its unlikely.
 
Strike Rate said:
His best always comes in big tournaments. Lets see if he can do it again.

World Cup average 48

Champions Trophy 49

World T20 40

Asia Cup 84

Overall average 50 in tournaments where 5 or mores teams are involved
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i dont understand this obsession with performances in big tournaments. so what? theyre in the past. theres been plenty of players that do well one game and badly the next.
 
I'm sorry but he bats at 7! At best he'll bat at 6. If he was given a run at 3 or 4, those stats would be entirely different. Hopefully he will do well at the World Cup, after which he will get the chance to bat at a sensible position with seniors gone.
 
I would like to see him open during the WC.

He is a good player of pace and opening would allow him to play his natural game and dictate his strokeplay.
 
World class player, right [MENTION=56866]Bullet Drive[/MENTION]
 
Strike Rate said:
His best always comes in big tournaments. Lets see if he can do it again.

World Cup average 48

Champions Trophy 49

World T20 40

Asia Cup 84

Overall average 50 in tournaments where 5 or mores teams are involved
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Once again misleading stats. Look at the breakdown of them and you'll see yourself.
 
vandokkum said:
When you take out minnows. Without a single hundred and only 7 fifties. In 2014 he averaged 22. Does he deserve to be in the playing xi ahead of fawad alam , maqsood or even jamshed ?
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He's another PP darling who has been rated to the moon and has yet to deliver ( probably never will). He genuinely had all the shots in the book early on in his career but now he limits himself to 2-3 slogs and slashes.
 
Aman said:
He's another PP darling who has been rated to the moon and has yet to deliver ( probably never will). He genuinely had all the shots in the book early on in his career but now he limits himself to 2-3 slogs and slashes.
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he was you darling too not very long ago a hint is you can go back check your posts history too
 
Usman said:
I'm sorry but he bats at 7! At best he'll bat at 6. If he was given a run at 3 or 4, those stats would be entirely different. Hopefully he will do well at the World Cup, after which he will get the chance to bat at a sensible position with seniors gone.
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He has batted @ #4 5 times in his career in ODI and has an avg of 14 with highest score of 21. Has not justice to the opportunities he got up the order.
 
iafzal said:
He has batted @ #4 5 times in his career in ODI and has an avg of 14 with highest score of 21. Has not justice to the opportunities he got up the order.
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Recall him throwing his wicket away tge ver next ball after hitting a six against SL last year.. As Mamoon has said numerous times before, he just doesn't know how to construct an innings. That's a big weakness for someone who's been compared to some of the games best.
 
Aman said:
I know, but like many others, I've realized he's nothing more than a flash in the pan hack.
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I bash him left right and center even i opened some threads to bash him but i still believe he can change age is on his side and let's see how he does under next captain if he is promoted i am watching cricket since late 80s umar and aamir are the one the finest talent Pakistan found.
 
Strike Rate said:
I bash him left right and center even i opened some threads to bash him but i still believe he can change age is on his side and let's see how he does under next captain if he is promoted i am watching cricket since late 80s umar and aamir are the one the finest talent Pakistan found.
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I would have agreed with you in 2009? but seeing how immature Umar is, I doubt he'll achieve much.
 
Aman said:
Recall him throwing his wicket away tge ver next ball after hitting a six against SL last year.. As Mamoon has said numerous times before, he just doesn't know how to construct an innings. That's a big weakness for someone who's been compared to some of the games best.
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To learn the art of constructing the innings he need to be give a long run at number 4 throw him out for ever if he dont perform after that
 
Aman said:
I would have agreed with you in 2009? but seeing how immature Umar is, I doubt he'll achieve much.
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i will give him 2015 and hopefully at a higher number if he perform good otherwise throw him out
 
Strike Rate said:
To learn the art of constructing the innings he need to be give a long run at number 4 throw him out for ever if he dont perform after that
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He's been given opportunities and failed every time. Why would they do it again when he's shown he's incapable of playing sensible cricket.
 
Aman said:
He's been given opportunities and failed every time. Why would they do it again when he's shown he's incapable of playing sensible cricket.
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A grand total of 5 matches at number 4? one in 2010 two in 2012 and two in 2014
 
Strike Rate said:
A grand total of 5 matches at number 4? one in 2010 two in 2012 and two in 2014
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With good players 1 or 2 is enough to show they're up to it. Umar has had 5 and failed each time. Giving him another 5 would just be a waste now.
 
Aman said:
With good players 1 or 2 is enough to show they're up to it. Umar has had 5 and failed each time. Giving him another 5 would just be a waste now.
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like i said i will give him 2015 or at least the wc before giving up
 
Aman said:
With good players 1 or 2 is enough to show they're up to it. Umar has had 5 and failed each time. Giving him another 5 would just be a waste now.
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This would make sense... if Shafiq hadn't been given 50-odd chances at 3 and 4. Umar definitely doesn't deserve anywhere close to that many (no one does) but 5 matches spread across 5 years is not really much of a sample size to go by.
 
Abdullah719 said:
This would make sense... if Shafiq hadn't been given 50-odd chances at 3 and 4. Umar definitely doesn't deserve anywhere close to that many (no one does) but 5 matches spread across 5 years is not really much of a sample size to go by.
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Just on how he's been dismissed in those opportunities, he doesn't deserve another opportunity for mine.
 
He's definitely performing worse than he used to do. He was our best ODI batsman 2009-2010. But not after that, he's regressed a lot.

It's a shame really, we saw what he was capable in 2009-2010.

It's also really annoying how he throws his wicket. Not that no one else does it. But Umar is usually very consistent getting a start (more so then any batsman). He does the tough work playing himself in, and then throws it away. If anything the number of consistent starts he gets gives an idea of the guy's talent.
 
Assuming that one out of Maqsood or Akmal will play, I still rate Akmal higher than Maqsood.

Having said that, there are enough games before the world cup and the group stages which should be utilized to ***** the better bet for the knock out stages, and then we should stick with that choice for QF and beyond.
 
Him and shafiq neck and neck in odi's over last three years?
Shafiq ahead in tests
So if I combine the two formats does that mean shafiq > Akmal
 
Cricketers will only find it tough after hitting purple patch.

Weaknesses will be exploited.

You can have a dream start but bowlers will start working you out.

I think most people here see Umar's debut and think well, that batsmen isn't there anymore. He's still the same batsmen, but bowlers have figured out that if you give him a few tight overs he will do something incredibly stupid.

And the funny thing is, he hasn't sorted this problem out in 05 years.
 
Dr_Bassim said:
I think most people here see Umar's debut and think well, that batsmen isn't there anymore. He's still the same batsmen, but bowlers have figured out that if you give him a few tight overs he will do something incredibly stupid.
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This point has some merit. Just keep it tight and he would do stupid thing is pretty much granted.
 
He has been the scapegoat for most of the time since last world cup. He is the best batsmen in pakistan team after misbah in recent years.
 
Stats aside, he should consistently play for Pakistan in ODI and bat higher.
 
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I think avrg is not the problum with U Akmal case because he bats a number 6,7 where slogging is required and also remember that akmal has been dropped often which also can effect the confidence , Moreover having an avrg of 29 at 85+ s/r at #6 is not that bad also.
 
He has sometimes shown shades of brilliance but as far as his mental attitude and consistency is concerned he has not done justice to his talent.
 
I don't have stats but can some UA fan tell me how many games this talented lad and the best ever batsmen of moderan era has won for Pakistan in last 6 years for Pakistan
 
As somebody pointed out, players batting in your top three average less than that in their whole career so you can't complain about Umar having that average in last three years, given the number he bats at.
 
Umar Akmal was awesome when he began but has regressed the worst possible way. What's the use of all shots when you can't pick and choose..
 
This guy sooner or later should be sorted out ! And needs to be shown the door as early as possible for the better ! And those calling him the best bat needs some more sense of the game


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Still, he should play all ODIs.

He cannot afford to leave a batsman like him out of the playing XI.
 
imranyounus said:
I don't have stats but can some UA fan tell me how many games this talented lad and the best ever batsmen of moderan era has won for Pakistan in last 6 years for Pakistan
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player of the match 102* - 102 - - 0 0 ODI v Sri Lanka Colombo (RPS) 7 Aug 2009 ODI # 2868
player of the match 41* - 41 - - 1 0 ODI v West Indies Johannesburg 23 Sep 2009 ODI # 2894
player of the match 56* - 56 - - 0 0 T20I v New Zealand Dubai (DSC) 13 Nov 2009 T20I # 123
player of the match 51 - 51 - - 1 0 T20I v South Africa Gros Islet 10 May 2010 T20I # 171
player of the match 64 - 64 - - 0 0 T20I v Australia Birmingham 5 Jul 2010 T20I # 184
player of the match 71 - 71 - - 1 0 ODI v Kenya Hambantota 23 Feb 2011 ODI # 3105
player of the match 44* - 44 - - 0 0 ODI v Australia Colombo (RPS) 19 Mar 2011 ODI # 3139
player of the match 61* - 61 - - 2 1 ODI v Sri Lanka Abu Dhabi 23 Nov 2011 ODI # 3216
player of the match 57 - 57 - - 0 0 ODI v Bangladesh Chittagong 6 Dec 2011 ODI # 3222
player of the match 46* - 46 - - 2 0 T20I v West Indies Kingstown 28 Jul 2013 T20I # 322
player of the match 102* - 102 - - 1 0 ODI v Afghanistan Fatullah 27 Feb 2014 ODI # 3475
player of the match 94 - 94 - - 0 0 T20I v Australia Dhaka 23 Mar 2014 T20I # 381

12 times officially

This number many PPers including myself believe would be higher if he got a consistent run at number 4.

He has played a few magnificent innings in games we have lost also. The Hussey jailbreak game comes to mind
 
Sakss said:
Over hyped , brainless cricketer with immense talent..
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Has not done his talent justice upto now- he has another 2-3 years after the world cup when he gets a chance to bat higher- then that should be that. There is no more learning curve for him- he has to produce when he starts batting at number 4 straight away.
 
vandokkum said:
When you take out minnows. Without a single hundred and only 7 fifties. In 2014 he averaged 22. Does he deserve to be in the playing xi ahead of fawad alam , maqsood or even jamshed ?
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you are forgetting he is a star and stars dont need to perfrom like younis khan.
 
Abdul-Jalil said:
Has not done his talent justice upto now- he has another 2-3 years after the world cup when he gets a chance to bat higher- then that should be that. There is no more learning curve for him- he has to produce when he starts batting at number 4 straight away.
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he failed at 4 .....
 
So after December 2011 only 3 occasions where he has won us a match that is once every year great job and by the way that is the real talent he got. No wonder we are the best team in world, Whose best player ooo sorry legend player has won us 3 matches in 3 years. And if you count ODI only that is just one man of match award since 2011
 
imranyounus said:
So after December 2011 only 3 occasions where he has won us a match that is once every year great job and by the way that is the real talent he got. No wonder we are the best team in world, Whose best player ooo sorry legend player has won us 3 matches in 3 years. And if you count ODI only that is just one man of match award since 2011
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Brother - the man of the match is just a guide to performance- it is difficult for a number 5 or 6 batsman to get this in an ODI unless they are an allrounder. Also Suresh Raina who has played 100 more international matches than Umar - he also only has 12 MOTM awards- that does not mean he should not be in the india team.

Try to show some perspective
 
tauseef_mahmood said:
he failed at 4 .....
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How can you term 5 innings as a failure?

Especially considering the fact, he has only been given a run of 2 games consecutively at that position, whilst the other 3 games have been sporadic.

Someone like a shafiq is a certified failure at the no. 4 position.
 
if he fails in this world cup I believe that's the end for him. This is his last chance. He needs to ditch the paindu street cricket attitude and listen to people. If they ask him to open, he should open, if they ask him to bat at 6 he should bat there. Enough if this 2braya bhai na kaha hay".. kera barra prah? the butter fingered loser? last chance saloon for him.
 
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Dr_Bassim said:
Cricketers will only find it tough after hitting purple patch.

Weaknesses will be exploited.

You can have a dream start but bowlers will start working you out.

I think most people here see Umar's debut and think well, that batsmen isn't there anymore. He's still the same batsmen, but bowlers have figured out that if you give him a few tight overs he will do something incredibly stupid.

And the funny thing is, he hasn't sorted this problem out in 05 years.
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This is quite true. The same thing I think has happened with Pujara, he has been sorted out, he needs to go back to the drawing board and address this if he wants to succeed.
 
For me he is a finished article! He fears of getting out! Thats why fails most of the times! I have 0 expectations from him! But still this WC is a good platform for him to re establish himself!
 
The real talent is how you use your God gifted capabalities to achive a given objective.

And players like Umar Akmal, Afridi, shoib malik, imran nazir and countless more do not have this talent.
 
It is no surprise. Umar Akmal doesn't belong in the lower order as he is susceptible to choke in under pressure. He should have been promoted as top-order position, but unfortunately, that spot is now being consumed by Hafeez who can no longer bowl, yet deemed as reliable as opener by Moin Khan. #tough luck to Umar Akmal
 
On a second though, Umar Akmal is playing in ODI WC. Good luck to him in ODI WC. It would have been benefical if he had played in Big Bash League to gain the experience in OZ conditions.
 
OVERRATED and I expected a lot from him after his debut. The guy has played over 100 ODI matches, still hasn't learned from his mistakes is really hopeless.
 
After the world cup I'd like to see him bat at 4 in ODIs. Give him a run of 10 matches and then see where we are with him.

He says he wants to bat higher....ok give him a chance and then assess his performance.
 
Umar Akmal is a like for like case of Rohit Sharma for Pakistan. Rohit with all that talent couldn't score 30-40's at 5/6. In fact in one series vs SL (even Raina thrashes their bowlers for fun) he couldn't score 50 runs in 5 games.

Let him loose as a opener. He'll go for his shots, he loves to. Curbing him will not make him better. The top spot will give him best shot to have match winning knocks imo. Pakistan should try him as opener after World cup before dumping him if he fails in WC.
 
IndianWillow said:
This is quite true. The same thing I think has happened with Pujara, he has been sorted out, he needs to go back to the drawing board and address this if he wants to succeed.
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I think the term 'sorted out' and 'exposed' is too casually thrown around these days.

Kohli had a terrible tour of England and was exposed apparently, look at him now.

Pujara has had two poor tours of Australia and England, which doesn't mean that bowlers have worked him out - he simply batted poorly in venues many greats of the game struggled.

He might have been found out, but we need to wait for a bit longer. The first away tour of England is arguably the toughest assignment for a young subcontinental batsman.

I rate Pujara extremely highly, and I firmly believe he's just going through a lean patch and obviously will come back with a bang.

Umar's case is different though, for a start, he isn't as good as Kohli or Pujara, and he has been on a constand downward spiral over 3/4 years now.

I don't think he has been worked out, he simply self-destructs and doesn't understand the art of batting.
 
What Mudasser said about Umar sadly is still true. He has just not learned to put value on his wkt and repeats the same mistake he was making at NCA as a teenager.
 
How can a player who by universal agreement is characterized as a choker will play against the newer ball and against fresh bowlers.
It used to be a simper game before these excuses crept in: if you score enough runs you get promoted up the order.
Oh but you see umar Akmal plays for the team and not personal scores thats why he gets out because he could always dig in and play selfishly.
What a load of rubbish: I mean the argument, not the player.... not yet anyway
 
Pete Rose said:
How can a player who by universal agreement is characterized as a choker will play against the newer ball and against fresh bowlers.
It used to be a simper game before these excuses crept in: if you score enough runs you get promoted up the order.
Oh but you see umar Akmal plays for the team and not personal scores thats why he gets out because he could always dig in and play selfishly.
What a load of rubbish: I mean the argument, not the player.... not yet anyway
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You wanted him as opener.
 
Bullet Drive said:
You wanted him as opener.
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I still do. Because there his style of play will be similar to what suits him. Aggressive and all that. Playing in at one down or two down is an art. I am not suggesting that YK and misbah have it.
My view is that paying as opener might be better for him because the fielders are up in the circle. He can be aggressive without worrying about the pressure of falling wickets and limited deliveries to face and a license to attack.
He might still get that if either YK or Hafeez fail
 
“Umar Akmal is better than Virat Kohli.”

What a deceiving thought back in 2009.
 
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