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Umar Akmal versus Virat Kohli

First let him perform in places like Aus and NZ or for that matter England, I know UA didn't perform in England but he did quite well in Aus and NZ and has done well in SA as well.


who cares about performance in NZ? Its just one of the minnows of world cricket as far as tests are concerned , never has performing in NZ been a benchmark to judge a player . There are only three countries in which the quality and performance of a Batsman matters : Aus , Sa and England .


Umar Averages 33 in Australia and 24 in England

Those figures are not convincing but if he has the potential he can change those stats quickly in his favour in the coming years , only time will tell how he performs in the Long run . Many of the other great batsmen had slow starts in there career , so its ok for Umar as of now
 
Virat Kohli is a class player......now Umar might be as talented or more but Kohli has out performed him especially in ODI's
 
forget performance or current avg , Kohli is completely different type of player ..his game is flawless & even though hes played only in ODI's , you never see him slog ..late cuts , straight , off & on drives ..can believe people are comparing him to some one who slogs (talent) to most of his runs even in Tests .
 
Yeah once again we saw how talented Umar is , cant even rotate the strike when the team needs 6-7 runs per over inspite of the Powerplay on . Incredible Batsman.
 
Yeah once again we saw how talented Umar is , cant even rotate the strike when the team needs 6-7 runs per over inspite of the Powerplay on . Incredible Batsman.
well said! umar is just an over hyped player...........people here say that umar is highly talented but that talent is useless if a batsman doesn't utilise it........whereas kohli has played upto his potentials and has consistently done well.......
 
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well said! umar is just an over hyped player...........people here say that umar is highly talented but that talent is useless if a batsman doesn't utilise it........whereas kohli has played upto his potentials and has consistently done well.......

Kohli is a mentally weak player proved by his failures against Pakistan and few finals in SL and in SA deciding ODIs.....He is like Raina....decent ODI & 20/20 player but doesnt have technique to survive in test cricket....Umar Akmal has destroyed attacks in test cricket in NZ & Aus
 
Yeah once again we saw how talented Umar is , cant even rotate the strike when the team needs 6-7 runs per over inspite of the Powerplay on . Incredible Batsman.

When he does well its no big deal as he's doing it against weak kiwi team, and when he flops he is again bashed.

Incredible troll.
 
Kohli is a mentally weak player proved by his failures against Pakistan and few finals in SL and in SA deciding ODIs.....He is like Raina....decent ODI & 20/20 player but doesnt have technique to survive in test cricket....Umar Akmal has destroyed attacks in test cricket in NZ & Aus


Right now Kohli is ahead of Akmal, however like i said earlier that Akmal is very young and some cricketers do matures late. Zaheer Khan took a decade to do anything worthwhile in International cricket and now he's their top bowler.Unfortunately Indian trolls don't understand this, they just want to bash Akmal senselessly perhaps coz someone dared to compare him with one of their newly worshipped Gods.
 
Right now Kohli is ahead of Akmal,

based on what??? few ODI innings against bangladesh & SL....he has failed almost every time in an important match proving he is a mentally weak player.... what are his test match stats??? He is another Raina
 
based on what??? few ODI innings against bangladesh & SL....he has failed almost every time in an important match proving he is a mentally weak player.... what are his test match stats??? He is another Raina


His test match stats aren't available coz he has not played for India yet.
Kohli has done well against SA too, fact is that he;s doing well in Onedayers.We shouldn't bash him senselessly otherwise we would be no different from the idiotic Indian trolls here.
 
Right now Kohli is ahead of Akmal, however like i said earlier that Akmal is very young and some cricketers do matures late. Zaheer Khan took a decade to do anything worthwhile in International cricket and now he's their top bowler.Unfortunately Indian trolls don't understand this, they just want to bash Akmal senselessly perhaps coz someone dared to compare him with one of their newly worshipped Gods.

There is only one GOD for Indian fans, the one and only SRT there was none before HIM and there will be none after HIM...
 
I have a feeling that since Ahmad Shezad is doing well now, someone will come up with a thread in his praise comparing him with an Indian cricketer only to face wrath from Indian trolls here.
 
Indeed performances in NZ and Windies dont count in the Test Format , even a useless Test Player like Gibbs has an inflated average of 76 in NZ . As we can already see today , talks have begun claiming that even Shehzad Ahmed is better than Umar Akmal so really the competition between Kohli and Umar has ended as Umar isnt even fit enough to compete with Ahmed . Lets create Kolhi v/s Shehzad now , it would be more meaningful than to see Kohli being compared to an overhyped Slogger who ranks 42 in ICC Odi rankings
 
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Indeed performances in NZ and Windies dont count in the Test Format , even a useless Test Player like Gibbs has an inflated average of 76 in NZ . As we can already see today , talks have begun claiming that even Shehzad Ahmed is better than Umar Akmal so really the competition between Kohli and Umar has ended as Umar isnt even fit enough to compete with Ahmed . Lets create Kolhi v/s Shehzad now , it would be more meaningful than to see Kohli being compared to an overhyped Slogger who ranks 42 in ICC Odi rankings


LOL so it takes one innings to decide that a batsman is useless, so next time when Dukhan Kohli flops, it should be understood that he is rubbish.

Whether its Kohli vs Shahzad or Kohli vs Umar, it hardly matters, as blindly biased ppl for a particular nation would continue to bash Pak young guns. Fact is that none of these players have done anything worthwhile at test level, Kohli infact haven't even made a debut yet is being worshipped as a bhagwan here.
And once again for idiots, ranking of youngsters who still are in learning phase doesn't matter atall, we all know how poorly guys like Imran Khan, Saeed Anwar,Younis Khan and beloved Indians like Zaheer Khan used to rank during their early days.Cricketers improves with age, just coz a player is ranked 42 doesn't mean he will remain 42 throughout his life.
 
When he does well its no big deal as he's doing it against weak kiwi team, and when he flops he is again bashed.

Incredible troll.


Everytime, the guy has some valid points.Umar was bashed last time for a slow innings, this time when Umar played a very good fast paced innings but was run out, he's being bashed for being unfit!

Point is, if you ever dare to compare a Pakistani with any Indian worshipped Gods, then you will face the music here.
 
Another great knock by Umar Akmal in the 6th Odi , he seems to be a far more superior player than what I initially thought .
 
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LOL so it takes one innings to decide that a batsman is useless, so next time when Dukhan Kohli flops, it should be understood that he is rubbish.

Whether its Kohli vs Shahzad or Kohli vs Umar, it hardly matters, as blindly biased ppl for a particular nation would continue to bash Pak young guns. Fact is that none of these players have done anything worthwhile at test level, Kohli infact haven't even made a debut yet is being worshipped as a bhagwan here.
And once again for idiots, ranking of youngsters who still are in learning phase doesn't matter atall, we all know how poorly guys like Imran Khan, Saeed Anwar,Younis Khan and beloved Indians like Zaheer Khan used to rank during their early days.Cricketers improves with age, just coz a player is ranked 42 doesn't mean he will remain 42 throughout his life.

He has been so pathetic against this lowly ranked NZ side that U. Akmal would be heading downwards rather then upwards.

All the talent in the world is no use if he can't score runs even agaisnt mediocre attacks. Kohli scored runs against Best Fast bowlers in the world in South Africa.
 
He has been so pathetic against this lowly ranked NZ side that U. Akmal would be heading downwards rather then upwards.

All the talent in the world is no use if he can't score runs even agaisnt mediocre attacks. Kohli scored runs against Best Fast bowlers in the world in South Africa.



He had two good innings in 5 onedayers, how can it be "so pathetic"?

There is a legend who struggled against the bowling of a part timer like cronje all his life, by your strange logic of selective stats he can be termed as rubbish for failing against a lowsy bowler.

Lol @ trolls, whose sole purpose in life is to drop a sarcastic one liners whenever Umar fails. Fools!
 
He had two good innings in 5 onedayers, how can it be "so pathetic"?

There is a legend who struggled against the bowling of a part timer like cronje all his life, by your strange logic of selective stats he can be termed as rubbish for failing against a lowsy bowler.

Lol @ trolls, whose sole purpose in life is to drop a sarcastic one liners whenever Umar fails. Fools!

what two or three or four or five good innings?

Your Superstar averages 18 in the ongoing Odi Series , has to be biggest loser in this tournament where even Shahzad , Hafeez , Afridi , Kamran and Misbah score more runs .

Even Younis Khan and Tanvir average more than the mindless slogger Umar Akaml :)) . Cant even bash a minnow bowling unit
 
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what two or three or four or five good innings?

Your Superstar averages 18 in the ongoing Odi Series , has to be biggest loser in this tournament where even Shahzad , Hafeez , Afridi , Kamran and Misbah score more runs .


Your God once averaged in single digits in test matches in NZ!! Now go and figure that out.

There are series when a bowler scores more than a batter for a team, yet the batters do discover form later on and do well.Just because others did better than Akmal does mean he's finished.

The only loser here is you, who have nothing else than troll here.
 
Your God once averaged in single digits in test matches in NZ!! Now go and figure that out.

There are series when a bowler scores more than a batter for a team, yet the batters do discover form later on and do well.Just because others did better than Akmal does mean he's finished.

The only loser here is you, who have nothing else than troll here.

whatever mate , an average of 18 is pretty pathetic . Defending this performance is a lame attempt .
No wonder he is not even among Top 40 Odi Batsmen in the world .

Maybe he is in the team to Joke around and chant fake slogans to keep the spirits high , useless just like Yuvraj:heart::)))
 
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whatever mate , an average of 18 is pretty pathetic . Defending this performance is a lame attempt .
No wonder he is not even among Top 40 Odi Batsmen in the world .

Maybe he is in the team to Joke around and chant fake slogans to keep the spirits high , useless just like Yuvraj:heart::)))

He was number 44 when I last looked at. He is heading towards 88. Whilst Kohli is sitting pretty as 2nd ranked ODI batsman in the world. 2nd behind only great Amla. Thats some classy company he has. ..
 
whatever mate , an average of 18 is pretty pathetic . Defending this performance is a lame attempt .
No wonder he is not even among Top 40 Odi Batsmen in the world .

Still better than average in single digits by your GOd against same teams in test years back.

Also, i never called him a superstar, nor am i currently rating him highly, the guy is still very young and he has talent to be a very good batter eventually for the team. Trolls who bash someone on the basis of one or two series should better stick to ICF.
 
Still better than average in single digits by your GOd against same teams in test years back.

Also, i never called him a superstar, nor am i currently rating him highly, the guy is still very young and he has talent to be a very good batter eventually for the team. Trolls who bash someone on the basis of one or two series should better stick to ICF.


The point is Kohli is way superior batsman compared to Umar , averaged 48 against SA in SA while Umar averages 18 against a pathetic bowling unit of NZ.
 
Still better than average in single digits by your GOd against same teams in test years back.

Also, i never called him a superstar, nor am i currently rating him highly, the guy is still very young and he has talent to be a very good batter eventually for the team. Trolls who bash someone on the basis of one or two series should better stick to ICF.

Based on 1 or 2 series. His ranking is based on his record in last 1 and half years. His highest ranking is like 560 something. Thats some talent. His brother is probably a better batsman them him. and thats no compliment.
 
The point is Kohli is way superior batsman compared to Umar , averaged 48 against SA in SA while Umar averages 18 against a pathetic bowling unit of NZ.

Kohli has scored runs against everyone. His ODI average is awsome. Same can't be said about Akmal. He is outscored by several even in "this" pakistan team.
 
Based on 1 or 2 series. His ranking is based on his record in last 1 and half years. His highest ranking is like 560 something. Thats some talent. His brother is probably a better batsman them him. and thats no compliment.

Rating is 586
 
Based on 1 or 2 series. His ranking is based on his record in last 1 and half years. His highest ranking is like 560 something. Thats some talent. His brother is probably a better batsman them him. and thats no compliment.

Oh, and he has played 10 series in that period coz Pak was playing so much at home and abroad, right?

Its laughable when a one liner troll talk about talent
 
Oh, and he has played 10 series in that period coz Pak was playing so much at home and abroad, right?

Its laughable when a one liner troll talk about talent

Its not ranking systems fault if he is dropped for every other match for not performing.

You can't have it both ways. You have to perform to stay in the team and you have to perform to rise in rankings.

Amla and Kohli are not in top 2 position for nothing. True modern run machines they are. 2 batsmen in classical mould with not a hint of slogging.
 
Oh, and he has played 10 series in that period coz Pak was playing so much at home and abroad, right?

Its laughable when a one liner troll talk about talent

How much did he score against SA attack on flat pitches of middle east.. Even Kallis complained about dead pitches.
 
Its not ranking systems fault if he is dropped for every other match for not performing.

You can't have it both ways. You have to perform to stay in the team and you have to perform to rise in rankings.

Amla and Kohli are not in top 2 position for nothing. True modern run machines they are. 2 batsmen in classical mould with not a hint of slogging.


Let Kohli play test matches and then you can talk about your God.

Akmal has hardly been dropped from onedayers, not sure from where you are getting ideas of him getting dropped in every other onedayers. Also, i never talked about ranking, and don't give a damn about it, as they never remain constant.When Akmal will start delivering consistently, his ranking will improve.
 
Let Kohli play test matches and then you can talk about your God.

Akmal has hardly been dropped from onedayers, not sure from where you are getting ideas of him getting dropped in every other onedayers. Also, i never talked about ranking, and don't give a damn about it, as they never remain constant.When Akmal will start delivering consistently, his ranking will improve.

There are too many ifs, buts and whens... Let him perform first before comparing him with proven talents like Kohlis.
 
There are too many ifs, buts and whens... Let him perform first before comparing him with proven talents like Kohlis.

here are always if's and buts in discussion, also a proven talent need to make his debut in test matches first.
 
60.

EDIT : Talking ODIs here since Kohli hasn't played tests yet.

Don;t you know that Kohli is the first cricketer ever to be a proven legend even before making his debut in test cricket.

Its guaranteed that Kohli will perform like Bradman in tests
 
What use is talent if he can't score runs. Isn't he in the team to score runs or does he play in the team just like his brother to drop catches?
 
So you are stealing ideas too.

Around 100 ppl here are also suggesting that some of your Gods are chokers, maybe we should accept that blindly .

Thats natural for fans from other countries to say about an opposition player but here own fans are having an opinion about there players , is there no difference? And if you want to believe something , go ahead . There is some1 who is currently ranked Number one in Test Rankings and one who is ranked 40 in the Odis . Rankings speak for themselves or maybe rankings are flawed . You are flattering a guy who has brilliant rankings and pointing out flaws with the Undisputed Number 1 ranked Test Batsman , sure your analysis is unbiased and right upto the mark while others are bias and trolls
 
What use is talent if he can't score runs. Isn't he in the team to score runs or does he play in the team just like his brother to drop catches?


With time when you get maturity, you end up UTILIZING your talent better. Zaheer Khan always had talent but he matured after a decade of making a debut.If Indian selectors were as dumb as you then Khan would not have played for India again.
 
Kohli and Legend ? Inspite of being the Number 2 Odi Batsman he is still not assured of a place in starting line up , that indicates he is no legend but he is way superior to Umar Akmal in performance .
First find someone who thinks Kohli is a legend before passing rubbish comments.
 
Thats natural for fans from other countries to say about an opposition player but here own fans are having an opinion about there players , is there no difference? And if you want to believe something , go ahead . There is some1 who is currently ranked Number one in Test Rankings and one who is ranked 40 in the Odis . Rankings speak for themselves or maybe rankings are flawed . You are flattering a guy who has brilliant rankings and pointing out flaws with the Undisputed Number 1 ranked Test Batsman , sure your analysis is unbiased and right upto the mark while others are bias and trolls


Considering i haven't challenged the ranking atall, there was no need to write garbage here.I haven't bashed Kohli or any other Indian batter on this forum yet, nor have praised Akmal as a great batter, so your talk about bias is laughable.

But yes, ppl whose sole purpose here to bash a player at the drop of a hat, are surely sore losers in life.
 
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Kohli and Legend ? Inspite of being the Number 2 Odi Batsman he is still not assured of a place in starting line up , that indicates he is no legend but he is way superior to Umar Akmal in performance .
First find someone who thinks Kohli is a legend before passing rubbish comments.


Rubbish comments were from your beloved brother who compared Akmals test performance against SA in UAE against what he called a "proven talent" in Kohli.
Kohli must be the first cricketer ever to be considered successful in test matches even before making a debut..LOL.
 
Rubbish comments were from your beloved brother who compared Akmals test performance against SA in UAE against what he called a "proven talent" in Kohli.
Kohli must be the first cricketer ever to be considered successful in test matches even before making a debut..LOL.

Misunderstanding . Anyways lets leave it for now , as the world cup is coming , it will be great to watch out for both Kohli and Umar performing on the biggest stage , am sure there performances will play a big role in deciding the outcome of there respective Teams in the tournament.
 
Misunderstanding . Anyways lets leave it for now , as the world cup is coming , it will be great to watch out for both Kohli and Umar performing on the biggest stage , am sure there performances will play a big role in deciding the outcome of there respective Teams in the tournament.


As if India and Pak teams are about 1 individuals.

These players are not of the calibre of Waseem,Kapil or Imran who can be the driving force of their team.

India obviously are fav's coz of their solid batting lineup, a depleted Pak team can be expected to do wonders in WC atall.
 
Kohli has brains, Akmal has more talent

Without getting into the debate, it seems like many posters here think that a convential batsman is less talented than another who occasionaly slogs or plays uconventional shots. I dont think thats true, Kohli does not lack talent
 
Kohli fails yet again against half decent bowling on a good pitch.......garbage player

You mean South African bowling in South Africa against who Kohli socred all those runs isnt even half-decent?
 
at the moment , virat kohli is a better player but abilitywise i think umar akmal is a better player , not mentally as strong. If we allow umar to play at number 3 or 4 he can show his true potential as right now his role in the team is a slogger whereas virat kohli plays at three.
 
The difference is Virat listened to the criticism he got, went back worked on it and came back more focussed.
Umar doesn't learn
 
The difference is Virat listened to the criticism he got, went back worked on it and came back more focussed.
Umar doesn't learn

Yes there a hint of arrogance in him and I dont see why, considering that better players are more down to earth than him i.e. Kohli
 
yah + virat kohli's role in the team is totally different.


Virat has rescued the team on many occasions . India chasing 310 , gets off to a bad start with 10/2 , in comes Virat Kolhi and smacks a match winning century against Sri Lanka
 
The difference is Virat listened to the criticism he got, went back worked on it and came back more focussed.
Umar doesn't learn

today he faced better bowlers and what happened?tell me how many games has he won for Indian team compare to Umer akmal?Umer has done it many times for Pakistan.Always prefer match winner player in the team :ahmed
 
today he faced better bowlers and what happened?tell me how many games has he won for Indian team compare to Umer akmal?Umer has done it many times for Pakistan.Always prefer match winner player in the team :ahmed


You mean Virat averages 46 in Odis and that didnt contribute to the team? Do batsmen score runs which fall in two categories , one in his account and other in team's account?

This was a warm up match , what about the best bowlers he faced in SA?
 
today he faced better bowlers and what happened?tell me how many games has he won for Indian team compare to Umer akmal?Umer has done it many times for Pakistan.Always prefer match winner player in the team :ahmed

Yeh typical Indian minnow basher. Just last month he scored runs against that minnow bowling attack from SA
 
today he faced better bowlers and what happened?tell me how many games has he won for Indian team compare to Umer akmal?Umer has done it many times for Pakistan.Always prefer match winner player in the team :ahmed

Umar akmal has done it many times? With or without Umar Pakistan don't win much these days. So not sure on what stats your statements are based on.

Kohli is 2nd ranked ODI batsman in the world after Amla. U. Akmal is probably ranked somewhere between 40 and 50. What use is his match winning talent if he can't score runs.
 
Yeh typical Indian minnow basher. Just last month he scored runs against that minnow bowling attack from SA

Yes.. Scoring runs against pop gun attack of Steyn and morkel in their backyard is nothing special.. :yk But getting dropped from team for not scoring runs is really praiseworthy for some people.
 
he is used at the right place by india unlike Umer Akmal.
well we put umar at top but then he kept doing stupid shots and getting out so now they just put him as slogger. I think they need to put some sense in him and put him at 3 again atleast in warm ups or crappy teams.

Currently though Kohli is years ahead of Akmal because he is actually performing.
 
today he faced better bowlers and what happened?tell me how many games has he won for Indian team compare to Umer akmal?Umer has done it many times for Pakistan.Always prefer match winner player in the team :ahmed

This comparison is as stupid as comparing Akram with Irfan Pathan. Umer is just a slogger and Kohli is proper batsman. Don't embrass the pakistani fans anymore with these baseless claims.
 
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