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Umar Akmal versus Virat Kohli

lol, I was wondering it's been a long time since this thread has been bumped.

The verdict still remains the same from me, both are talented individuals but due to their age difference (2 years), it's not right to compare their stats just yet. Also, Pakistan are yet to use Umar properly. He's not a number 6, he's a number 4 max. Too talented to be used as a slogger. If they keep using him like this he'll turn into an afridi or razzaq when he has potential to be more of a more athletic inzi.
 
Poison said:
Umar Akmal any day of the week. Except Juma :moyo
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all r biased here :)))
we say kohli is talented, you guys will say umar is talented :afridi

i have no doubts that kohli is talented and have a bright future,
his antics sucks
 
I was partially joking, I think Kohli is the next Indian legend batsman, along with Rohit Sharma.

But Umar is the next Inzi/Teenda :fawad
 
so is Virat still ranked no 2 in the world?

not in terms of looks, because hes no 1 apparently
 
Rizie said:
regardless of that and if he was an indian he would be the King of Bollywood aka King Khan
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Thats only true because srk is ugly. We would love to have him in bollywood only if he promises not to play for pakistan anymore and take indian citizenship:wasim . You can have nakli pathan , I mean yusuf pathan in return.:afridi
 
I think Akmal played some very good knocks in WI series in some challenging conditions for batting. Whether Kohli has it in him to emulate this, remains to be seen.
 
How could you say Kohli is better in tests when he is yet to make his test debut?
 
While UA has already played many important innings in his test career.
 
People tend to forget that Umar akmal has never played an international match at home. That's an incredible advantage for Kohli.
 
Umar Akmal is the better batsman of the two in my opinion in all forms of cricket.
Kholi is better than Umar Akmal in IPL!
 
Inswinger said:
People tend to forget that Umar akmal has never played an international match at home. That's an incredible advantage for Kohli.
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True, but it goes both ways. Your bowlers on the other hand have been fortunate not to bowl on those wickets.
 
Umar Akmal is 20 and has 602 Test points, he is ranked 35 in the world.

Pretty good.
 
freelance_cricketer said:
True, but it goes both ways. Your bowlers on the other hand have been fortunate not to bowl on those wickets.
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That will be a good argument in threads where we will talk about pakistani bowlers!
This is about Umar Akmal. We all know how important it is for a batsman to play at home, especially at the start of his career so it is easier for him to aclimatize to international cricket.

On the other hand, Virat Kholi, has played most of his cricket in Asia and most often than not he had great batsmen atound him. Another point is that he is yet to play Test cricket, that will be the real test for him. Especially if he is selected for this English summer!
 
I just noticed ... Kohli had played 85% of his games in sub continent ... While Akmal has played 30%. hmmmmm.
 
yup jero in Pakistan, while Kohli has played 50% of his games in India ... There is no comparison between the two. Akmal is way ahead.
 
kkmix said:
yup jero in Pakistan, while Kohli has played 50% of his games in India ... There is no comparison between the two. Akmal is way ahead.
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Kohli proved to be a bit of a phatu in that Semi Final as well, he really hasnt been tested in severe circumstances yet. DW, very soon will these conditions arise frequently with the retirements of some big guns around him.
 
Inswinger said:
People tend to forget that Umar akmal has never played an international match at home. That's an incredible advantage for Kohli.
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Yeh, man. I think Umar has done incredibly well considering the circumstances he's played. But it's not just him, most of our line-up, both batting and bowling, comprises of players who are yet to play in familiar conditions.

I do think we give our batting some unneccessary flak at times because of this.
 
kohli played well vs sa in sa when everybody else failed. 4th odi he managed 85*. could have got a hundred also if not for rain.
yeah there goes the subcontinent theory down the drain.
also he may have failed in semis but he did well in final. his role of rebuilding along with gambhir shouldnt be forgotten.
 
Inswinger said:
People tend to forget that Umar akmal has never played an international match at home. That's an incredible advantage for Kohli.
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Excellent point Inswinger. :14:

Umar Akmal could easily have improved his batting average in all formats of the game IF he had been playing on pitches where it all began for him, infront of crowds that he is familiar with... Where he feels home.

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Glad the thread recieved a bump.

The comparison made during the World cup 2011 clearly wen't in favour of Umar Akmal, considering he had a higher average + strike rate and the fact that Kohli failed at a position which Umar Akmal has been batting at despite it not being his prefered position and role.

The only reason why I enjoyed the comparison during the World cup was because for once it was "fair" to compare them, considering Kohli played in a similiar role in which Umar Akmal has been playing in.
 
Its a valid point that U Akmal has not played a lot of games in home like conditions. However, I feel the bigger criticism against him is not his talent (which he obviously has) but rather his temperament and maturity. The manner in which he gets out is the worrying part. More often than not, Kohli has shined in this aspect and at this point of time in their respective careers, this is what puts Kohli ahead IMO.

No doubts that both are abundantly talented and will entertain us in the years to come.
 
Akmal > Kohli

The Akmals are hated for no reason, they are the dons of Pakistan cricket
 
Pakistan is lucky to have Umar Akmal, India is lucky to have Kohli.

I am sure both will be leading their teams with the bat, 10 years down the road.
 
kkmix said:
I just noticed ... Kohli had played 85% of his games in sub continent ... While Akmal has played 30%. hmmmmm.
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Which doesnt automatically mean that Kohli will fail outside sub-continet and that Umar will not play those stupid shots in the sub-continent. hmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

BTW, most of the time, Umar doesnt get out because of the pitch, but because of his own stupid shots
 
umar is light years better than kohli.

had they swapped places and kohli played for pakistan he would be an imran farhat.
 
Inswinger said:
People tend to forget that Umar akmal has never played an international match at home. That's an incredible advantage for Kohli.
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Kohli averages more away than at home, that includes a 57.60 in South Africa.

Where is the advantage? ;-)
 
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Statsman said:
Kohli averages more away than at home, that includes a 57.60 in South Africa.

Where is the advantage? ;-)
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Easier to develop as a batsman playing at home sometimes. If you are hurtled to a different country every time you play and never play in familiar conditions, it's gonna be tougher.

Having said that Kholi's still better. In fact I don't even think it's a contest to be honest
 
match winning 60 from 47 against Ireland to avoid humiliating defeat :)

UA the shining star in Pak team :14:
 
freelance_cricketer said:
match winning 60 from 47 against Ireland to avoid humiliating defeat :)

UA the shining star in Pak team :14:
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Abit ott there. Every team struggles against the minnows now and again. India/England/Windies did. A win is a win.

Anyhow re: Umar Akmal, I honestly believe he wouldn't look out of place in a Indian side. It's unfortunate for him he plays for such a crappy batting team.
 
ahamedirshad123 said:
I can say PUJARA is better than both of them. These two throw away their at a cruch situation. PUJARA, next DRAVID (always underrated)
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How is Pujara better?? He failed miserably in SA and was mediocre against Aus in Ind. Kohli plays most games at home . :umarakmal is miles better than both.
 
I am more confident on Kohli after his WC final innings. It was neither mejestic nor full of shots. But he showed a perfect temperament to replace one of our fab 4.

No one has seen the future but all the best for this young man. A genuine learner and leader in making.
 
I've said it before, I'm a massive fan of Kohli's. But we will see how good he is in England. He had a pretty poor tour of SA if my memory is correct.

Pujara looks good but he played those games at home and even then failed against Australia, when he went to SA he had a poor tour.

If only Umar Akmal could play his games in Pakistan, that average of his along with many Pakistani batsmen would be pretty decent.
 
Sherlock said:
I've said it before, I'm a massive fan of Kohli's. But we will see how good he is in England. He had a pretty poor tour of SA if my memory is correct.

Pujara looks good but he played those games at home and even then failed against Australia, when he went to SA he had a poor tour.

If only Umar Akmal could play his games in Pakistan, that average of his along with many Pakistani batsmen would be pretty decent.
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No doubt he would be averaging 45+ if he had the same number of games in Pak as Kohli has had in india.
 
Sherlock said:
I've said it before, I'm a massive fan of Kohli's. But we will see how good he is in England. He had a pretty poor tour of SA if my memory is correct.

Pujara looks good but he played those games at home and even then failed against Australia, when he went to SA he had a poor tour.

If only Umar Akmal could play his games in Pakistan, that average of his along with many Pakistani batsmen would be pretty decent.
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Nope. He has played 8 matches in South Africa and has an average of 58 there.
 
Right now, if I had to bet on of those two to score a century , I would put my money on Kohli.

That it self says enough.

No doubt Akmal more talented, and he's improved his brain fartness, but still his far behind Kholi
 
Akmal-Kohli comparison doesnt make sense considering their respective Cricket boards.

BCCI may have n number of flaws but knows how to nurture batsmen. About PCB less said the better. Who knows how much more level-headed UA could have been under BCCI's tutelage...
 
In terms of talent I'd say that they are pretty much the same. But in terms of application, Kohli gets the nod. The fact that Kohil has capable batsmen all around him has taken a lot of pressure off him. Umar would have really benefited if the likes of Inzi and MoYo were still playing.
 
BTW, the 2008 Indian U-19 team which was captained by Kohli had some very talented batsmen. The likes of Pandey and Tiwari are not that far behind Kohli. Don't know why they keep selecting the out of shape and under performing Sharma ahead of these guys.
 
I think umar akmal and kohli have different roles in their teams. kohli is expected to build the innings which he does and umar akmal has to save the day everytime he comes to crease. I would say umar akmal will play a lot better if he played under no pressure condition.
 
Lets just say..I rather have Virat fighting for my life instead of U.Akmal :P
 
^^in the 87* match, the next highest score was 20. even when he made 54, rest all either struggled or gave their wickets away in a very silly way. so yeah unfair to call it a poor tour. i think he will do well in england cause he has mental strength. he has slightly tempered his cavalier style even at this young age. so yeah signs are promising for him and indian cricket.
 
I'm just putting the stats up saying he failed in more inns than he flourished in while in SA. I'm still his fan but I'm just saying he may struggle against a better bowling lineup than SA.
 
TBH, both are great and I'm a fan of both, but Umar Akmal has shown more potential to me and has all it takes to be Pakistan's next superstar. They need to nurture his talent, possibly hire a batting coach to further improve his abilities, and stick with him rather than dropping him from the team if he doesn't perform in one or two matches (a habit that we often see from our selectors)
 
I'm just saying he may struggle against a better bowling lineup than SA.
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So tell me how many attacks in world cricket are better than an attack comprising of Steyn, Morkel, and Tsotsobe?
 
Both are wonderful to watch. 20-21 year olds who are the future of their respective teams. Why would you pit one vs the other?

Appreciate the both of them and the joy they give to their fans.
 
I am late in this thread I know.

As for as natural talent in stroke making Akmal>>>Kohli

As far as everything else to do with cricket Kohli>>>>Akmal

Would rather have Ben Hilfenhaus batting for my life than Akmal, at least I know Ben will take the situation seriously.
 
Umar Akmal, he has talent but he doesn't know (at all) how to play the longer format of the game. Even him batting at no 3 in ODI's is a big question does he have the temperment to bat through the whole match (40+ overs) without getting carried away, Kholi also has the same issues whoever can get their attitude right the quickest will be the more successful.
 
Akmal has some nice strokes but is rather overhyped. One would imagine that he is the second coming of Tendulkar or Richards or Lara or some such.
 
AZ said:
:)) Kohli is a do takkey ka player

Umar Akmal is ten trillion times better than him, it's doesnt seem that way because he can't get a stats boost on paratha wickets like Kohli babu
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This!
 
I think they are both developing into different types of players

For me U Akmal is developing into a Kevin Peterson type of player with a good positive aggressive intent -this compliments our current line up which is quite defensive by nature (Misbah, Azhar Ali, Shafiq etc)

Kohli`s biggest issue is going to be filling the shoes of Tendulkar/Dravid/Laxman etc,
 
Virat performed well in Australia.

From WIKI: Kohli was instrumental in India's win of the 2009 Emerging Players Tournament in Australia. In the final against South Africa, Kohli scored a century and India went on to win the game by 17 runs. Kohli emerged as the leading run scorer of the tournament, aggregating 398 runs from seven matches including two centuries and two fifties.
 
Sherlock said:
I'm just putting the stats up saying he failed in more inns than he flourished in while in SA. I'm still his fan but I'm just saying he may struggle against a better bowling lineup than SA.
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Even the very best fail in more innings than they flourish
 
AZ said:
:)) Kohli is a do takkey ka player

Umar Akmal is ten trillion times better than him, it's doesnt seem that way because he can't get a stats boost on paratha wickets like Kohli babu
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How many times in his career has Umar got out to good balls? It doesnt matter how flat a wicket Umar plays on, his average is more or less going to remain the same as he does not have the temprament to keep his wicket. He will throw it away most of the time
 
umer akmals recent knocks have impressed me i think he is starting to put more merit on his wicket
 
Although Umar Akmal seems more talented, for now at least I would love to have Kohli over Akmal in my team. But if Umar gets it right and stops doing rubbish things and just work on his cricket, he can very well be the next big thing in Pakistani cricket.
 
^^pak needs a batting coach. why doesnt inzy coach them? a batting coach is needed to iron out the flaws of a batsman. and right now, umar is quite flawed in his thinking than his technique.
what is aaqib javed doing exactly as bowling coach with waqar as main coach? why not fire aaqib and take in somebody like inzy/saeed anwar as batting coach?
 
Virat Kohli is a talented young lad, the kid will go far, played first world cup and he won, future captain in the making and the guy has the eye of the tiger and all that.
 
Pakistani4ever said:
hm they are both very gud talents...
but i think umar akmal is better a bit in t20 then kohli...
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Both of them are Talents like Water and Oil. Both are liquid but Water has more chances to go far as its thicker than Oil. But Oil has more Price and Talent as we all know when it comes to Fry Fishes.. :)

VK > Water

UK > Oil.

Funny :D
 
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